Re: [Gimp-developer] Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread Dave Neary
Kevin Cozens wrote: On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 17:12, David Neary wrote: 9) A decent image browser/thumbnail viewer + cover-sheet support This sounds a bit like the old GUASH (which I have started to port to GTK+ 2.x/GIMP 2.0) but I'm not sure what you mean by cover-sheet support.

[Gimp-developer] script-fu without display problem (fwd)

2004-02-06 Thread Irek Sonina
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:51:58 +0100 (CET) From: Irek Sonina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: script-fu without display problem I have wrote a small script-fu script to be run by the web, but I have encountered a problem. Script lookes

[Gimp-developer] prob with parasites and script-fu (fwd)

2004-02-06 Thread Irek Sonina
If this or my next post was forwarded to this list before then I apologise, I wasn't subscribed here before. br. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:30:01 +0100 (CET) From: Irek Sonina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: another prob with parasites and

[Gimp-developer] Win GIMP - tablet support

2004-02-06 Thread Jakub Friedl (listy)
is there any hope for tablet (with pressure sensitivity at least) support in win port of the gimp? after the release of 2.0 it is the last thing which keep me (and many others i know) from replacing photoshop by the gimp and i would love to replace it

Re: [Gimp-developer] Updated roadmap (so people don't laugh at the old one)

2004-02-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can certainly spread it around. I update the NEWS now, as well as you. Anyone can do that. Same thing goes for making the announcement on freshmeat, gnome-desktop, linuxartist... I can do bugzilla tags. Well, I am certainly not going to ask for

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X (was: Re: Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?)

2004-02-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes: BTW: In OSX gtk 2 has really sucky rendering performance compared to gtk 1. The same is true for gtk+ on other X11 platforms (but it's usually bearable, but very noticable). The biggest offender is font drawing: Xft is a rather slow

Re: [Gimp-developer] Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That said, here's what I think is a reasonable target feature set for 2.2: 1) Migration to GTK+ 2.4, including - File selector upgrade (allows things like bookmarks) - remove all GtkOptionMenus - use GtkActions for shortcuts Agreed. 2) Cut

Re: [Gimp-developer] Updated roadmap (so people don't laugh at the old one)

2004-02-06 Thread Dave Neary
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can certainly spread it around. I update the NEWS now, as well as you. Anyone can do that. Same thing goes for making the announcement on freshmeat, gnome-desktop, linuxartist... I can do bugzilla tags. Well, I am certainly

Re: [Gimp-developer] Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As a matter of interest, why do we not simply take the old GtkPreview code an rename it GimpPreview, put it in libgimpwidgets and use that? Just wondering. Because the old GtkPreview code is not what we would like to see as a GIMP preview widget? It

Re: [Gimp-developer] Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The idea I had (knowing that this is a big change) is to export the serialisation stuff to libgimp, have plug-ins which want presets extend GimpPlugIn which will implement the serializable interface. The plug-ins should then move from a structure of

Re: [Gimp-developer] Win GIMP - tablet support

2004-02-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Jakub Friedl (listy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: is there any hope for tablet (with pressure sensitivity at least) support in win port of the gimp? Perhaps you should consider to buy one of the few Win32 developers a tablet? Sven ___

Re: [Gimp-developer] prob with parasites and script-fu (fwd)

2004-02-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Irek Sonina [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If this or my next post was forwarded to this list before then I apologise, I wasn't subscribed here before. Well, I already answered your question on the gimp-user list. Perhaps we keep this thread there then. Sven

Re: [Gimp-developer] Updated roadmap (so people don't laugh at the old one)

2004-02-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I am certainly not going to ask for this and so far I have always waited about a day if someone else would post announcements on gnomedesktop and other sites. But it seems that noone but me is interested enough to post there, so I guess I

Re: [Gimp-developer] Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As a matter of interest, why do we not simply take the old GtkPreview code an rename it GimpPreview, put it in libgimpwidgets and use that? Just wondering. Because the old GtkPreview code is not what we would like to see as a GIMP

Re: [Gimp-developer] Win GIMP - tablet support

2004-02-06 Thread Tor Lillqvist
is there any hope for tablet (with pressure sensitivity at least) support in win port of the gimp? The issue isn't in the Windows port of *GIMP*. I am rather certain the problems are in the Windows backend in *GTK* (GDK). It needs to have some loving care applied to its tablet support. If it

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X

2004-02-06 Thread Daniel Egger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 5, 2004, at 10:35 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote: It helps to a) avoid antialiasing (small effect) b) use x fonts (big effect). Thanks for this tip. I'll try installing some high quality X fonts (which is sort of an

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X

2004-02-06 Thread Daniel Egger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 5, 2004, at 9:26 pm, Sven Neumann wrote: You will need Darwinports (http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/) but IMO darwinports is an improvement over fink. Of course your mileage may vary. Too complicated to install, at least I did and since I

[Gimp-developer] Re: Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread David Odin
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 12:38:33PM +0100, David Neary wrote: 5) Preview widget to replace GimpOldPreview That's a rather large change. If we get someone interested and a proposal for an implementation is posted early enough, then it should probably go in. David Odin has said he would

[Gimp-developer] Re: Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread David Odin
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 01:16:28PM +0100, David Neary wrote: Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As a matter of interest, why do we not simply take the old GtkPreview code an rename it GimpPreview, put it in libgimpwidgets and use that? Just wondering. Because

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, David Odin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It looks so. While it is true that GtkPreview has been deprecated without a replacement widget without a good reason (in my opinion, and obviously in Sven's opinion too), GimpOldPreview is much more than only a wrapper around GtkPreview. Besides, we

Re: [Gimp-developer] Updated roadmap (so people don't laugh at the old one)

2004-02-06 Thread David Hodson
Sven Neumann wrote: Comments off-list don't count. If people want to comment on this subject, they should do it on the list. Everything else is just noise. Maybe they should, but that doesn't mean that they will. It's a lot easier to drop an email to the person that you agree with, than to jump

[Gimp-developer] Re: Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread David Odin
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 03:45:21PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, David Odin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To be more precise, since the GTK+ team has deprecated GtkPreview, I would have like to see if the gimp couldn't have its own widget for this. I won't promise it will be done on

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X

2004-02-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Daniel Egger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You will need Darwinports (http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/) but IMO darwinports is an improvement over fink. Of course your mileage may vary. Too complicated to install, at least I did and since I already had fink I didn't care enough to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread David Odin
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 04:02:37PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, David Odin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It looks so. While it is true that GtkPreview has been deprecated without a replacement widget without a good reason (in my opinion, and obviously in Sven's opinion too),

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: David Odin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What we are aiming for is a lot more complex than what GtkPreview is providing. The goal is to have a widget that can zoom and pan. This would be cool. It should also provide an API that allows to use the same image processing routines

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, David Odin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyway, this isn't clear in my mind for now. I'll propose a draft on this list as soon as I have more valuable thing to show. I hope you are aware that there is an implementation already. We were not happy with the API and some implementation

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread David Odin
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 04:51:28PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, David Odin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyway, this isn't clear in my mind for now. I'll propose a draft on this list as soon as I have more valuable thing to show. I hope you are aware that there is an implementation

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X

2004-02-06 Thread Tim Mooney
In regard to: Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X, Daniel Egger said (at...: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 5, 2004, at 10:35 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote: It helps to a) avoid antialiasing (small effect) b) use x fonts (big effect). Thanks for

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure what you mean by this - wouldn't the preview just be a copy of the drawable which gets rendered? What API is needed? I have trouble following the problems you see. I'm a bit confused now since we discussed all details of the widget

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X

2004-02-06 Thread Daniel Egger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 6, 2004, at 4:32 pm, Sven Neumann wrote: Checking out a cvs repository and typing configure; make; make install doesn't sound too complicated to me. It is, especially when it doesn't work out-of-the-box. Also this is equivalently complicated to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X

2004-02-06 Thread Daniel Egger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 6, 2004, at 5:12 pm, Tim Mooney wrote: I haven't played with OS X enough to know, but does its X server support the Render extension? If not, that's probably why GTK+ 2 is slower. number of extensions:28 Apple-DRI Apple-WM

Re: [Gimp-developer] Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread Kevin Cozens
At 06:18 AM 02/06/2004, Sven wrote: 7) Move from SIOD to guile for script-fu Guile or another interpreter or fix the current implementation. All nice but we keep asking for this for years now and I don't see it happen until summer. Let's say, it would be nice to have but it shouldn't block 2.2.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?

2004-02-06 Thread Kevin Cozens
At 02:13 PM 02/05/2004, Carol Spears wrote: okay, i dont really like script-fu. i cant read it and it has this way of not telling gimp when it has made an image. I am starting to notice a lot of people saying they don't like Script-Fu. As for not being able to read it, that is not helped by the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread Kevin Cozens
At 07:06 AM 02/06/2004, Sven wrote: What Mitch did there was to prepare the SIOD implementation for an update to the latest released version which is at least two years newer that what we are using now. The most recent copy of SIOD I could find was from 1998, IIRC. So, if the current SIOD part of

[Gimp-developer] Re: Updated roadmap (so people don't laugh at the old one)

2004-02-06 Thread Carol Spears
Hello, On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 01:14:24PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Well, I am certainly not going to ask for this and so far I have always waited about a day if someone else would post announcements on gnomedesktop and other sites. But it seems that noone but me is interested

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?

2004-02-06 Thread Carol Spears
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 01:48:13PM -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote: At 02:13 PM 02/05/2004, Carol Spears wrote: okay, i dont really like script-fu. i cant read it and it has this way of not telling gimp when it has made an image. I am starting to notice a lot of people saying they don't like

Re: [Gimp-developer] Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread Daniel Egger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 6, 2004, at 7:25 pm, Kevin Cozens wrote: While researching Guile as a replacement for Script-Fu, Guile is a nasty beast. Gnucash is one of the hardest to compile and keep working applications just because of their use of guile. I'm not really

Re: [Gimp-developer] Win GIMP - tablet support

2004-02-06 Thread Jakub Friedl (listy)
It's mostly a question of inspiration and resources (access to a tablet and time). I do have a tablet (have had for a long time), but to tell the truth I rarely use it. I might have the inspiration. But, very seldom do I have time for one of those several hours long concentrated intense hacking

Re: [Gimp-developer] Win GIMP - tablet support

2004-02-06 Thread Tor Lillqvist
Jakub Friedl (listy) writes: this bug stops many users from using gimp. Does it really? Aren't tablets (at least the more expensive, pressure- and tilt-sensitive ones) mainly used by graphics arts professionals? These guys typically live and breathe in Photoshop, don't they? I doubt they would

[Gimp-developer] history brush

2004-02-06 Thread Jakub Friedl (listy)
it would be very nice to see history brush tool in the gimp. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer

Re: [Gimp-developer] Win GIMP - tablet support

2004-02-06 Thread Jakub Friedl (listy)
Does it really? Aren't tablets (at least the more expensive, pressure- and tilt-sensitive ones) mainly used by graphics arts professionals? These guys typically live and breathe in Photoshop, don't they? I doubt they would switch en masse to GIMP, even if their tablets did work perfectly in GIMP

Re: [Gimp-developer] Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Kevin Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 07:06 AM 02/06/2004, Sven wrote: What Mitch did there was to prepare the SIOD implementation for an update to the latest released version which is at least two years newer that what we are using now. The most recent copy of SIOD I could find

Re: [Gimp-developer] Win GIMP - tablet support

2004-02-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Jakub Friedl (listy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's mostly a question of inspiration and resources (access to a tablet and time). I do have a tablet (have had for a long time), but to tell the truth I rarely use it. I might have the inspiration. But, very seldom do I have time for one of

Re: [Gimp-developer] Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread Tim Mooney
In regard to: Re: [Gimp-developer] Tentative 2.2 feature list, Sven Neumann...: The most recent copy of SIOD I could find was from 1998, IIRC. So, if the current SIOD part of Script-Fu is indeed from 2 years earlier, would it make sense in the short term to update the copy of SIOD currently