Re: [Fwd: Upcoming IT events in Canterbury]

2004-08-15 Thread InfoHelp
yes it is, thanks Zane Rik Zane Gilmore wrote: Fowarding this email from NZCS. We appear to be in some very illustrious company :-) BTW is that the right venue? 5. Canterbury Linux Users Group Meeting SuSE mini-installfest Thursday 26 August 2004, 7:30PM, Sydenham Community Association

Re: The case of the disappearing file system

2004-08-15 Thread InfoHelp
Did you partition the drive before or after the Win98 install? i.e. this could be a resizing issue that we all need to learn from. Nick Rout wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:29:49 +1200 Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:24, Nick Rout wrote: yes its certainly a

Re: CLUG Wiki

2004-08-11 Thread InfoHelp
Login not working using WinXP, either IE or Opera, user id concatenated or as two words. Stuck on login page: Invalid password or userid. DEBUG: ALLOW_ANON_EDIT = false, ALLOW_BOGO_LOGIN = true, ALLOW_USER_PASSWORDS = true USER_AUTH_ORDER: PersonalPage = File = Forbidden, USER_AUTH_POLICY:

Re: CLUG Wiki

2004-08-10 Thread InfoHelp
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:27:41 +1200, Jim Cheetham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The CLUG Wiki at http://clug.inode.co.nz/ has been upgraded to the next version (phpwiki 1.3.10 in case you wanted to know). [clip] Flash job, Jim. Well done, and thanks. - Rik

Re: Linux ok in schools, was Re: proposal for publicity (fwd) - SFD/OSTC

2004-08-09 Thread InfoHelp
29th, David Kirk is accepting offers of assistance to pack up move the OSTC chattels. Volunteers and ideas most welcome. Thanks for your interest, Rik Tindall InfoHelp Services Derek Smithies wrote: Hi, Chris Sawtell and I took on the job of contacting the school, and here is the update. [clip]

Re: browser wars RNZ 11.30am

2004-08-02 Thread InfoHelp
Found it: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/713878 Vulnerability Note VU#713878, **Use a different web browser** page section and: http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/software/34984.html Microsoft's Browser Dominance at Risk article - from http://www.gnu.org GNUs Flashes Rik Volker Kuhlmann wrote:

Re: ncd explora X terminals

2004-07-31 Thread InfoHelp
7.30pm, for the Email talks from Volker Jim. Does Mathew, Dale or anyone else want to add to the Email presentation contributions that night? Cheers - Rik Michael JasonSmith wrote: On Fri, 2004-07-30 at 20:45, InfoHelp wrote: Apologies Michael, We've lost the booking for 21 October. Your

Re: ncd explora X terminals

2004-07-31 Thread InfoHelp
Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:20, InfoHelp wrote: That's confirmed then, Thursday 14 October 7.30pm. Is this at the Sydenham or St. Albans Community centre? The former - the dates are those for which bookings were available at the Sydenham hall.

Re: ncd explora X terminals

2004-07-31 Thread InfoHelp
wrote: On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 14:20, InfoHelp wrote: Thanks Michael, That's confirmed then, Thursday 14 October 7.30pm. Is the evening best themed LTSP, in general? We might add a workshop to this - a 'bring along your NCD terminal' session, for which Michael will demo the client configuration

Re: ncd explora X terminals

2004-07-31 Thread InfoHelp
Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:44, InfoHelp wrote: Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:20, InfoHelp wrote: That's confirmed then, Thursday 14 October 7.30pm. Is this at the Sydenham or St. Albans Community centre? The former

Re: ncd explora X terminals

2004-07-31 Thread InfoHelp
Sorry, I missed reading any such decision.. I knew it had been debated, inconclusively. Is it time to announce something formally? I would advise being respectful of the Sydenham community assn's assitance thus far, in the meantime. Nick Rout wrote: On Sun, 2004-08-01 at 15:06, InfoHelp wrote

Re: ncd explora X terminals

2004-07-30 Thread InfoHelp
us with SuSE (a potential minifest) next month, August 26th. Sorry for the mixup, and thanks for volunteering Rik Michael JasonSmith wrote: On Fri, 2004-07-30 at 13:35, InfoHelp wrote: (I have an entire presentation on this sort of thing ready for a LUG meeting, if you are interested

Re: IMAP/whatever/email + procmail

2004-07-30 Thread InfoHelp
We're almost settled upon Thursday 23rd September for the Emails talk Volker. Another option being to have Michael's NCD talk then, and the Emails on Thursday 14 October. Which suits you best? Either way, we're still go for SuSE on Thursday 26 August, and keen as mustard. Cheers Rik Volker

browser wars RNZ 11.30am

2004-07-29 Thread InfoHelp
Nigel Horrocks has replaced Paul McGovern as IT commentator on National Radio (101FM, c675AM). He seems better informed about FOSS, and this morning will debunk the insecure Internet Explorer. It should be good, Rik

Re: browser wars RNZ 11.30am

2004-07-29 Thread InfoHelp
Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:20, Nick Rout wrote: do they still stream their show? Not that I can see. On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:20:58 +1200 InfoHelp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nigel Horrocks has replaced Paul McGovern as IT commentator on National Radio (101FM

Re: browser wars RNZ 11.30am

2004-07-29 Thread InfoHelp
Nick Rout wrote: http://xtra.co.nz/broadband/0,,10980,00.html you can listen to the show an hour at a time Cool, thanks Nick. On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:20:58 +1200 InfoHelp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nigel Horrocks has replaced Paul McGovern as IT commentator on National Radio (101FM, c675AM

Re: browser wars RNZ 11.30am

2004-07-29 Thread InfoHelp
Have a look here: http://www.rnzi.com RealPlayer hopeful.. Cheers, Rik Martin Bähr wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2004 at 11:41:22AM +1200, Nick Rout wrote: http://xtra.co.nz/broadband/0,,10980,00.html you can listen to the show an hour at a time is that the right one though? not

Re: ncd explora X terminals

2004-07-29 Thread InfoHelp
Great thread! :-) .. Jim Cheetham wrote: Michael JasonSmith wrote: (I have an entire presentation on this sort of thing ready for a LUG meeting, if you are interested ;) ) How does 7.30pm Thursday 21 October sound Michael? You know the answer will be yes please! When would you be available to

Re: ncd explora X terminals

2004-07-29 Thread InfoHelp
I can give you a screen, if it helps, Nick. Delivered to your office today, or collect en route for home? Nick Rout wrote: I have successfully logged my explora into kdm on the linux box. Said box has an nvidia card using the proprietary nvidia driver and glx. Mind you I haven't done it in ages,

Re: browser wars RNZ 11.30am

2004-07-29 Thread InfoHelp
I tried too, but couldn't find it specifically either. My reference was reading news sites of a fortnight or so ago (lost track of time purpose, pre-fest), where us-cert (I'm pretty sure it was) were advising people to stop using IE. Maybe a patch has allayed their concerns since. I'll keep

Re: PMCIA Modem

2004-07-27 Thread InfoHelp
From what I saw (as a semi-newbie), the 4th disk had a GUI interface app for X11 something else. PCMCIA service is kernel stuff (plain install mode, probably disk 1), but mine wasn't detected at installtime. I had some CLUG help getting that (thanks Andrew) the onboard modem running once,

Re: Photoshop and The GIMP (was Schools)

2004-07-27 Thread InfoHelp
InfoHelp wrote: hth Rik+ (FLA) As in Four Letter Acronym (-g not ;-)

Re: Photoshop and The GIMP (was Schools)

2004-07-26 Thread InfoHelp
Perhaps to lighten the direction here, A few weeks back I outlined a broad, recycling-based approach that argued our selling points are training and communications - forget the gimmicks. Leave the schools to what they do best - employment preparation. Personally, I look forward to the day when

Re: Various inane questions

2004-07-23 Thread InfoHelp
Carl Sue Thompson wrote: 1Can anyone tell me how to accurately import an address book into Xiamain from Outlook. I have imported addresses from Outlook into Thunderbird as csv files. Then exported them from thunderbird as ldif files and imported them into Xiaman. Parts of the addresses

Re: Help please with PCI IRQ issue - ltmodem

2004-07-22 Thread InfoHelp
Maybe let SuSE have a go at it? - The test box I had for Fest had that modem/OS, went fine ( I've been told there's a problem with ltmodem under Mdk10). Make partition space free for SuSE install. Test all apps incl cam. Delete Mdk if no longer needed. hth Rik Nick Rout wrote: I helped (or maybe

Re: Help please with PCI IRQ issue - ltmodem

2004-07-22 Thread InfoHelp
Ring Kevin Owers, the Computer Broker. He's spent a lot of time sorting out the distro/winmodem matches that work, will provide more detail. I know he heavily favours the ltmodem, am reporting recollected detail here. Nick Rout wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:37:46 +1200 InfoHelp [EMAIL

Re: Help please with PCI IRQ issue - ltmodem

2004-07-22 Thread InfoHelp
Actually, this problem closely reminds me of my first (off-putting) Linux/Mdk8.2 install (AthlonXP). It was the onboard (PCTel) modem (SiS900) NIC that fought over IRQ5, so I couldn't run both simultaneously. Maybe check that too? Nick Rout wrote: I helped (or maybe hindered) with a computer

Re: Help please with PCI IRQ issue - ltmodem

2004-07-22 Thread InfoHelp
Nick Rout wrote: Mandrake needs script-level tweaking for trickier h/w, from what I've seen. so does SuSE with the slmodem anyway, from experience with my office machine, and Ralph's mega-laptop. I concur on that one :-) - did you get them both running? - horses for courses, as they say..

Re: Help please with PCI IRQ issue - ltmodem

2004-07-22 Thread InfoHelp
FWIW Nick Rout wrote: ralphs's worked last night, but isn't today, so i suspect there are load up problems which I am trying to resolve over email. mine looks as if it will work but i have no analog phone lines handy to test it at work (all digital/pabx). i can atz in minicom and get an ok :-)

Re: Help please with PCI IRQ issue - ltmodem

2004-07-22 Thread InfoHelp
Nick Rout wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:16:43 +1200 InfoHelp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, this problem closely reminds me of my first (off-putting) Linux/Mdk8.2 install (AthlonXP). It was the onboard (PCTel) modem (SiS900) NIC that fought over IRQ5, so I couldn't run both

Re: Thursday's fixit followup installfest get together

2004-07-21 Thread InfoHelp
Thanks Nick, Chris, Barry, for sorting out refreshments. Christopher Sawtell wrote: Quoting Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:56:15 +1200 InfoHelp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there someone onlist who regularly organises a cuppa for the night (was it Barry

Re: Tips for replacing a motherboard and CPU, running Mandrake/XP

2004-07-21 Thread InfoHelp
For maximum data protection, the speediest rebuild, my advice would be to buy a new harddrive too (no doubt bigger, which helps), and reinstall both OS's to it from scratch. Then put in the old drive as hdb/d: copy across your file stores. Once done, reformat hdb/d: backup the stores to

Re: Tonight's meeting and summary of workshop issues

2004-07-21 Thread InfoHelp
Some notes that may be of interest / use / easy reply .. Nick Rout wrote: Here is a summary of the five registrations we have had for tonight. Perennial issues like modems (2) and getting stuff off the cd, as well as sound and vision on an iBook. This email is also a call for our more experienced

Re: OpenCD - Software Freedom Day

2004-07-21 Thread InfoHelp
from this link: http://www.softwarefreedomday.org August 28, 2004 anyone keen to help make an event? Cheers, Rik Carl Klitscher wrote: Oooh you're giving me far too much credit... it is actually developed and delivered from http://www.theopencd.org and is about 290Mbs worth. We did install

Re: Thursday's fixit followup installfest get together

2004-07-20 Thread InfoHelp
FWIW: an installee I met on Saturday is planning to come along for more gen on Mandrake, tho probably not with a PC to repair. There may be several more like so. I will bring my Mdk-installed laptop too, for further refinements, if that's ok. Hopefully some of our resident Mandrake experts

Re: Installfest

2004-07-20 Thread InfoHelp
Nick Rout wrote: On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:00:51 +1200 InfoHelp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another reason why people may be wanting their 4th disk: PCMCIA/cardbus support (for laptop) which package is on CD4 that is needed for pcmcia? pcmcia-cs-x11-3.2.5-3mdk.i586.rpm another that i can't recall

Re: Installfest

2004-07-19 Thread InfoHelp
Another reason why people may be wanting their 4th disk: PCMCIA/cardbus support (for laptop) - come to Thursday 7.30pm meeting - David might like to send along some disk 4s with Nick? Cheers, Rik On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:20:32 +1200, Neville Paintin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I went along to

Re: Installfest

2004-07-19 Thread InfoHelp
in alternative web/ftp sources for what disk 4 holds (by disabling its link) at the end - you need that adjustment made to your system too. Would you like an installer to make a house call and complete the formal installation process for you? hth Rik Tindall InfoHelp Services http

Re: Installfest

2004-07-18 Thread InfoHelp
hth, Rik Chad wrote: Look at these tables listing the features of the various versions Mandrake sells! http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/10/comparison as so: *Documentation* * *hcfpcimodem-doc 0.99lnxtbeta03042700

Re: Installfest

2004-07-18 Thread InfoHelp
the best possible solutions may be sought. hth Rik InfoHelp Services http://www.infohelp.co.nz Carl Sue Thompson wrote: Have just been to the installfest and have Mandrake 10 installed. I certainly appreciate all the effort for no cost that people made however I have come away wondering what

[Fwd: Re: Open Office splash screen]

2004-07-17 Thread InfoHelp
Original Message From: - Sun Jul 18 16:20:41 2004 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 0080 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:20:39 +1200 From: InfoHelp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: InfoHelp Services, Canterbury Technology Ltd. User-Agent

Re: Installfest

2004-07-17 Thread InfoHelp
Robert Fisher wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:23, Rex Johnston wrote: My advice to you is to leave the space free, grab a copy of those SuSE disks, find someone who is sufficently clued up to understand the guides http://www.tuxmobil.org and try again. You'll probably not get the printer

Re: Installfest

2004-07-17 Thread InfoHelp
This was a Q for Carl Sue Thompson, primarily, to help us advise possible printer solutions. Glad you are finding SuSE as straightforward as I do tho. - Top place in the kwik-install toolkit? :-) Robert Fisher wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:53, InfoHelp wrote: I successfully loaded SuSE

Re: Help - trashed booting

2004-07-14 Thread InfoHelp
The simple way of avoiding this complication is always installing Windows 1st / where it wants to go - hda1 (C:\). Linux partitions live after that, and lilo/grub can take over easily from Windows, once Windows is happy. In this case it would cost you the Win98 install - move your data

Re: Novell/SuSE training course

2004-07-14 Thread InfoHelp
Thanks, done, c u there.. Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Novell is offering a basically free Linux installation training course, if anyone's interested. 29 July, $39+GST http://www.novell.com/training/linux/workshop/ap_workshop.html

Re: New Zealand News - Technology - Oracle and Linux win over NZX

2004-07-14 Thread InfoHelp
With a day to think about it, Steve's point in mind.. Derek Smithies wrote: Hi, thanks for the acknowledgement. Actually, it was my friend Bruce Ferrell in the US who found this link. I have a suspicion he spends every possible waking hour in front of a computer. Not, as Andrew asked, a bad

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-13 Thread InfoHelp
This thread is in abeyance - it has been revealing. Rather than reopen it now, a better use of energy is preparing for Installfest. However, Nick is entitled to a decent reply, and promptly. Thanks everyone who posted. Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 21:16, InfoHelp wrote: I read

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-13 Thread InfoHelp
Carl Cerecke wrote: InfoHelp wrote: The sense I had intended to convey was this - How can such a talented group of people have the time to want to edit GNU out of Linux history? i.e. defensive disbelief under pressure of manifold vociferous reaction, from perception of a place for GNU

Re: New Zealand News - Technology - Oracle and Linux win over NZX

2004-07-13 Thread InfoHelp
Top find, thanks Derek. Derek Smithies wrote: Hi http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3577892thesection=businessthesubsection=technologythesecondsubsection=information Opening paragraphs:: NZX - the New Zealand stock exchange - has become the first major New Zealand company to adopt

Re: nice little 'screen tutorial

2004-07-12 Thread InfoHelp
Great little intro to this often-referred to GNU tool - thanks Nick. Have there been any other versions? Nick Rout wrote: I have seen a few comments about screen on the list. Its a great utility so I thought I'd post this little tutorial for those who are curious.

Re: Another Newbe Suse 9.1 problem

2004-07-11 Thread InfoHelp
Cheers Volker, I'll have a look next time I'm on SuSE. Volker Kuhlmann wrote: When online update packages are saved, is it in the download folder? /tmp? .. somewhere in /var/lib/YaST2/ (unless they changed it) Volker Are you still using 8.2? Rik

Re: Another Newbe Suse 9.1 problem

2004-07-10 Thread InfoHelp
Jeff Fuller wrote: InfoHelp wrote: Still here, Jeff?!.. Pardon my wry sense of :-) please Jeff, occasional weariness. Jeff Fuller wrote: Yup! broke it twice and reinstalled twice to get it back. Now wont try to update till i find out whats up. Is there another way to get updates without

Re: Another Newbe Suse 9.1 problem

2004-07-10 Thread InfoHelp
see below.. Jeff Fuller wrote: Nick Rout wrote: On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 12:18, InfoHelp wrote: Jeff Fuller wrote: InfoHelp wrote: Still here, Jeff?!.. Pardon my wry sense of :-) please Jeff, occasional weariness. Jeff Fuller wrote: Yup! broke it twice and reinstalled twice

Re: Another Newbe Suse 9.1 problem

2004-07-10 Thread InfoHelp
This Q was for more general benefit, in that downloading updates has an option of retaining or deleting the source(?/) packages. Nick Rout wrote: Sans YaST, our list gurus might wish to expand on how the updates are to be coordinated - is it RPM? where on the filesystem do the downloaded

Re: Another Newbe Suse 9.1 problem

2004-07-10 Thread InfoHelp
Jeff Fuller wrote: InfoHelp wrote: This Q was for more general benefit, in that downloading updates has an option of retaining or deleting the source(?/) packages. Nick Rout wrote: Sans YaST, our list gurus might wish to expand on how the updates are to be coordinated - is it RPM? where

Re: Another Newbe Suse 9.1 problem

2004-07-10 Thread InfoHelp
I'm so bogged down with email mate, I could barely defend myself vs slander, let alone boot into SuSE ;-) It'll come. Nick Rout wrote: why not look on your system for them Rik? On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 15:07, InfoHelp wrote: Jeff Fuller wrote: InfoHelp wrote: This Q was for more

Re: Another Newbe Suse 9.1 problem

2004-07-09 Thread InfoHelp
Jeff, I might have an answer 4 u here.. Jeff Fuller wrote: Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: Ah! So it did work at least once. There are some patches which require a reboot afterwards. Could that be your problem? Regards, Robert I have done the updates twice! both times i rebooted and both times

Re: Another Newbe Suse 9.1 problem

2004-07-09 Thread InfoHelp
Reinstalling may be quickest route, @ this early stage. I doubt it is your machine. YaST seems very fussy about working on more than one task at a time. I've seen it hang when too busy too. Sounds like you've broken it. hth Rik Jeff Fuller wrote: InfoHelp wrote: Jeff, I might have an answer 4 u

Re: Another Newbe Suse 9.1 problem

2004-07-09 Thread InfoHelp
Still here, Jeff?!.. Jeff Fuller wrote: InfoHelp wrote: Reinstalling may be quickest route, @ this early stage. I doubt it is your machine. YaST seems very fussy about working on more than one task at a time. I've seen it hang when too busy too. Sounds like you've broken it. hth Rik Yup! broke

Re: Another Newbe Suse 9.1 problem

2004-07-08 Thread InfoHelp
As Rob - it works great. Yes Jeff - you need someone to check your network out. I am on call, @ $60 per hour. Just ping me, Rik Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: How are you trying to do it? I have found it very easy, in fact I have just done it again - on another test box. Regards, Robert

Re: Another Newbe Suse 9.1 problem

2004-07-08 Thread InfoHelp
Quicker to see fix, than to waste parts of an hour get possibly nowhere.. Obviously your modem is working. The rest needs clarification as to what is wrong. Jeff Fuller wrote: InfoHelp wrote: As Rob - it works great. Yes Jeff - you need someone to check your network out. I am on call, @ $60

Re: Another Newbe Suse 9.1 problem

2004-07-08 Thread InfoHelp
Great to see CLUG list has such a wide base :-) Wellylug used SuSE for their recent Installfest I heard - should u be trying there? Jeff Fuller wrote: InfoHelp wrote: Quicker to see fix, than to waste parts of an hour get possibly nowhere.. Obviously your modem is working. The rest needs

Re: Another Newbe Suse 9.1 problem

2004-07-08 Thread InfoHelp
Try a standard restart. Jeff Fuller wrote: Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: Are you connected OK? Do you have a proxy server? Does it find mirrors OK? Regards, Robert Connected via dial up 56k modem, (Dont know proxy server?) Found German mirror ,Downloaded patches then installed them OK but yast

Re: Another Newbe Suse 9.1 problem

2004-07-08 Thread InfoHelp
log out, log in if no change - reboot Jeff Fuller wrote: InfoHelp wrote: Try a standard restart. Yep! Restarted. But yast woudnt start, So tryed Disk 1 and did an Repare. Yast then started but when i clicked to activate a program the little clock turned then stopped without opening anything

Re: [OT] Radio NZ item on copyright, 10am today

2004-07-07 Thread InfoHelp
Carl Cerecke wrote: Timothy Musson wrote: Hi, On Radio NZ this morning (2004-07-08), just after 10 AM, there'll be a short item about the upcoming changes to copyright law in NZ. Would somebody like to post a summary for those of us without radios? Thanks. Of late I have been tuning out the

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread InfoHelp
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:47:00 +1200, Michael JasonSmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 13:41, InfoHelp wrote: As a means of progressing this issue towards useful closure, please go to a terminal console. Issue these commands: $ uname -s (--kernel-name) $ uname -o (--operating

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread InfoHelp
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:40:20 +1200, Dale Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being that uname can and has been patched , has been broken in more ways than one in its existance and currently still requires patches in latest coreutils to return the expected output ...I dont quite see how this

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread InfoHelp
Edit, less haste: On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:04:51 +1200, InfoHelp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:40:20 +1200, Dale Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being that uname can and has been patched , has been broken in more ways than one in its existance and currently still requires

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread InfoHelp
I read the thread - it proves my point. Unchanged uname means an fsck-lot more than your anti-RMS vendetta. Get a life. Please. On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:04:32 +1200, Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 20:52, InfoHelp wrote: On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:47:00 +1200, Michael JasonSmith

OT - fun for the winter

2004-07-06 Thread InfoHelp
http://www.gnomes.co.nz :-) -- GNU/Linux Users - charting a course Fedora/SuSE/Mandrake-Slackware/Gentoo/LFS-(Perl/Linux)-Debian/BSD-GNU/Hurd

Re: History of GNU uname's -o option, and GNU/Linux

2004-07-06 Thread InfoHelp
Actually, there is a lot more to this.. Mainly it's about the M$/SCO thing, our collective response. Call it OT, or call it future-proofing - the commercial/private sector is affected by the outcome. Or are our discussions limited to the interests of 5% of world PC users only? Very helpful

Re: History of GNU uname's -o option, and GNU/Linux

2004-07-06 Thread InfoHelp
edit, to have read: InfoHelp wrote: Carl Cerecke wrote: Now, we have Linux the OS, and Linux the kernel. If there is a need to differentiate, we can say Linux distribution, and Linux kernel. And in the former case - that of commercial distribution - Linux - GNU/Linux (.. Don't make the libs, use

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-05 Thread InfoHelp
Interesting.. Thanks for that. Carl Cerecke wrote: Related to the discussions around GNU and Linux of late: You don't need any GNU software to run linux: perllinux.sourceforge.net Cheers, Carl. We appear to have touched a nerve. Last week, when I simply asked anyone else was positive about GNU to

Re: IPCOP demo / minutes

2004-07-04 Thread InfoHelp
InfoHelp wrote: PS InfoHelp wrote: Meeting report 30June04: [clip] Thanks Zane the University of Canterbury, for the loan of a data projector. Also, Leo brought in his Gentoo box 'beneath radar', for tweaking by Chris S. -- GNU/Linux Users - charting the course prototype4: Mandrake/Fedora

Re: Suse Problem

2004-07-04 Thread InfoHelp
) - this is our market. Our key selling points are training communications - forget the gimmicks. Why will GNU/Linux recycling succeed in a competitive market? - Because the final component costs nothing. Let's keep it that way. infohelp -- GNU/Linux Users - charting the course prototype4: Mandrake

Re: GNU/Linux

2004-07-03 Thread InfoHelp
Good luck there Roger, I jumped in too early in the thread - while catchup reading - to offer anything new or constructive, should have kept my mouth shut. I will in future :-) Glad to hear the workshop was of use to you though. It was our first in a while - had you been to any before? IMAP

Re: installing xwc

2004-07-03 Thread InfoHelp
You need to compile source code - go to Mandrake user site search on those three words - can't help more than that, sorry :-) On Sat, 2004-07-03 at 21:09, Roger Searle wrote: Hi, I'm stuck. I'm trying to get xwc running. I've downloaded a source file xwc-0.91.5a-mdk.src.rpm and on

Re: Suse Problem

2004-07-03 Thread InfoHelp
They are just the process analysis tools, of course. I guess you are stuck, without them. Robert Fisher wrote: On Sat, 2004-07-03 at 11:11, InfoHelp wrote: my system (9.1) says psmisc for ps libgtop for top got them? I will check on Monday. psmisc I have (but not installed) is not needed

Re: GNU/Linux

2004-07-03 Thread InfoHelp
Set the date, Nick. I'll be there. Douglas Royds wrote: Nick Rout wrote: [snip] ...I'll wager the drinks bill that the conversation will not be any different to the conversations we have at meetings already. Excellent. I accept on everyone else's behalf. I'm sure we can make the conversation

Re: Suse Problem

2004-07-02 Thread InfoHelp
.. Or try another distro on this particular machine? Volker Kuhlmann wrote: I just checked on a mirror and it seems that package ps is on version 9.0 but not version 9.1. Would it be psutils or psmisc? Don't know, go into yast, install software, select each of those 2 in turn and click on the

Re: IPCOP demo / minutes

2004-07-02 Thread InfoHelp
So much to read, so little time. Nick Rout wrote: Sorry to Roger and anyone else that I did not get that demo up and running last night, the meeting seemed to degenerate into a free for all after the short and fairly inconclusive installfest discussion. indignantpuffery - that's because it was

Re: GLUG meeting Wednesday 7.30pm

2004-07-02 Thread InfoHelp
Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Tuesday 29 June 2004 09:50, Jim Cheetham wrote: c) Other (please specify) ___ Let be all encompassing and simply call ourselves the Canterbury Unix Users Club. Being a club would allow for the social side of the exercise. This

Re: Server Linux

2004-07-02 Thread InfoHelp
The reliable base for most Sysads, as I understand it, is Debian. A type can easily be installed using Xandros, or more preferably Knoppix. G Chinnery wrote: I run Mandrake 8.1 and 10.0 currently. The only reason I use Mandrake is because it was the first distro I was introduced to. As I am about

Re: IPCOP demo / minutes

2004-07-02 Thread InfoHelp
PS InfoHelp wrote: Meeting report 30June04: [clip] Thanks Zane the University of Canterbury, for the loan of a data projector. -- GNU/Linux Users - charting the course prototype2: Mdk/Fedora/SuSE-Gentoo/LFS-Debian/BSD/Hurd

Re: GNU/Linux

2004-07-02 Thread InfoHelp
Nick Rout wrote: On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:57:52 +1200 Roger Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [plucking up sufficient courage to post...] we haven't lambasted you that much have we? Is it possible to set something like that up with a standard pop.paradise account on a machine that needs

Re: GNU/Linux

2004-07-02 Thread InfoHelp
Volker Kuhlmann wrote: I _did_ mean to suggest that The GIMP and GNOME would not have happened without GNU, and they don't mind The gimp needs a kernel and an X server, neither are/were GNU. It provides its own widget library (gtk, no gnome without gimp). On Solaris, no further GNU anything

Re: distcc coolness

2004-07-02 Thread InfoHelp
At last - there had to be a reason for having GNOME! ;-) Nick Rout wrote: Probably of interest only to gentoo users and other heavy compilers, but distccmon-gnome gives a cool view of what is happenning with your distributed compiling over the network. screenshot here:

Re: Server Linux

2004-07-02 Thread InfoHelp
steve wrote: Philip Charles wrote: On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, InfoHelp wrote: The reliable base for most Sysads, as I understand it, is Debian. A type can easily be installed using Xandros, or more preferably Knoppix. These do not install woody (stable). Stable is extreemly well supported for security

Re: Suse Problem

2004-07-02 Thread InfoHelp
my system (9.1) says psmisc for ps libgtop for top got them? Robert Fisher wrote: I still have not found the package which includes top for 9.1. Package ps is on 9.0 so I might just install that if I need it. Otherwise everything works great. Robert Fisher (aka - Rob, Bob, Robbie, Robbo, Fish)

Re: Newbe Suse internet sharing Question?

2004-07-02 Thread InfoHelp
A quick look indicates Yast-NetworkServices-Routing is would do it. I have my default gateway identified there, IP Forwarding is available - it is the Routing Table you, need to configure, I imagine, having not set mine up as a server yet. Experienced voice may follow.. Jeff Fuller wrote: I am

Re: Newbe Suse internet sharing Question?

2004-07-02 Thread InfoHelp
Jeff Fuller wrote: InfoHelp wrote: A quick look indicates Yast-NetworkServices-Routing is would do it. I have my default gateway identified there, IP Forwarding is available - it is the Routing Table you, need to configure, I imagine, having not set mine up as a server yet. Experienced voice

Fedora2 tests / lappies

2004-07-01 Thread InfoHelp
Greets List, Thanks David for the FC2 disks, which I have care of for Installfest. Preliminary impressions - great! This is the first time I've had a modem working in Linux on my laptop. I used an old 28K Cardbus/PCMCIA that may have been flashed to 56K - it works very well. Setup was simple,

Re: GNU/Linux

2004-06-30 Thread InfoHelp
last night, if I remember correctly, the GCC compiler tools were attached to Linux development *because* they were - remain - the best available. The GCC compiler is a GNU product. Bet on it not being outcoded. Chad wrote: InfoHelp wrote: We start people out on Mandrake or SuSE (currently under

Re: GNU/Linux

2004-06-30 Thread InfoHelp
of these things. Part Two: compile a list of 5-10 simplish tasks and get the three people who know what they are talking about to wite and speak to demo programs illustrating how they would be done in their language. On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 15:35:20 +1200 InfoHelp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please excuse my

Re: GNU/Linux

2004-06-30 Thread InfoHelp
Yes, that was to say CompSci students will be going to Installfest, and we want to encourage more youth to undertake CompSci training, in CS departments around the world, through UGs, or both. Always open to updates in thinking though :-) Clarity is important. Carl Cerecke wrote: InfoHelp

Re: GNU/Linux

2004-06-30 Thread InfoHelp
Carl Cerecke wrote: InfoHelp wrote: By settling on a standard set of tools (the best deducible) deepening the knowledge of them, CLUG would spend less time moving in circles. I like circles :-) But what do you mean by best? I do too - better than (being) squares :-) - That to which by our

Re: C/GLUG meeting Wednesday 7.30pm

2004-06-29 Thread InfoHelp
their recycling crates, that'll take care of the bottles. I'll provide some rubbish bags too (assuming we all bring a little kai, not forgetting softdrink for any young'uns). Cheers Rik On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:46:40 +0100, Chris Wilkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, InfoHelp wrote: Teena koutou, e

Re: Tonight's meeting - Anyone want an IPCOP install demo?

2004-06-29 Thread InfoHelp
This strikes me as a good idea, that would help cohere the Mandrake SuSE setup tests. We have a phoneline there, which if IPCop can be made to dial into, then firewall/route to the other boxes, we can progress onto the Installfest Qs on them. That is, we want to show everyone how to setup a

Re: wtf - utility everyone needs

2004-06-29 Thread InfoHelp
wtf is going on? Nick Rout wrote: I just found wtf by accident and installed it immediately sample output: [EMAIL PROTECTED] nick $ wtf is afaik AFAIK: as far as I know [EMAIL PROTECTED] nick $ wtf is rtfm RTFM: read the fine/fucking manual [EMAIL PROTECTED] nick $ wtf is ianal IANAL: I am not a

Re: SUSE demonstration, and procmail

2004-06-29 Thread InfoHelp
in /etc/wgetrc, too: proxy_user=user proxy_passwd=password Regards, Robert -- InfoHelp Services http://www.infohelp.co.nz/linux.html i686 2.4.20-8 RedHat Linux 9.0 - Gnome 2.2.0 - OpenOffice 1.0.2 - Mozilla Mail 1.2.1 [just SuSE firewall to setup mail archive to transfer... new system]

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