Re: early peek at a bit of fun
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:11:50PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > I must have imagined London.pm. Thank God! It was all a horrible, horrible dream!!! Alex -- "Four pints of milk, a turkey baster and some plastic tubing, that's all you need." http://www.cpio.org/~grimoire http://www.livejournal.com/users/diffrentcolours
Re: YAPC::Europe
On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 05:28:45PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > So how many people are bringing partners to YAPC::Europe? a) I can blag it as a training course with my boss b) I can afford to take time off work c) She can find a babysitter d) We can afford to take her too $answer = ( $a || $b ) && $c && $d; Alex -- "Four pints of milk, a turkey baster and some plastic tubing, that's all you need." http://www.cpio.org/~grimoire http://www.livejournal.com/users/diffrentcolours
Re: Pubs - a serious investigation
On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 05:46:33PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: > o The Doggetts Coat and Arms (by the river) It has to be said, Doggetts is a fine, fine pub. Plenty of room, not-too-loud music, nice beer... and fairly convenient for most people. Alex -- "Four pints of milk, a turkey baster and some plastic tubing, that's all you need." http://www.cpio.org/~grimoire http://www.livejournal.com/users/diffrentcolours
Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 08:46:39AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > Piers Cawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I presume that this is a permie thing? > Yes. And I'd estimate that _most_ of you I know would be, um, a bit > too "heavyweight" for them... Heh, same that even a wonder-newbie like me has gainful employment right now :-) Alex -- "Four pints of milk, a turkey baster and some plastic tubing, that's all you need." http://www.cpio.org/~grimoire http://www.livejournal.com/users/diffrentcolours
Re: Religion
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 07:36:12PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: > What with this and Piers' earlier revelations and the ever present > Unixbeard I have this feeling that maybe we ought to get a Morris Side > together for next years Jack in the Green festival in Hastings, Heh, I haven't done Morrising for ages. Count me in! Alex -- "Four pints of milk, a turkey baster and some plastic tubing, that's all you need." http://www.cpio.org/~grimoire http://www.livejournal.com/users/diffrentcolours
Re: Religion
> At 15:53 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote: > > Jon, thinking Paganism and Christianity should co-exist happily as do Art > and Science. > Yes, if only... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,62-112765,00.html Alex Gough -- Today class, we'll be cloning extinct species to see how they taste.
Re: LCN June
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Dean wrote: > Lonix > Date: Wednesday 6th June at 6.00pm. hasn't this been postponed? alex
Re: Election Manifestos
On Tue, 22 May 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote: > hmmm .. I was tempted just to let it pass .. but I can't resist ;) > > What you need to remember is this : They will say ANYTHING to get your > vote .. ANYTHING. Even the truth? I'd very much doubt that. Alex Gough -- I don't believe that honesty leads to madness. I don't believe we need delusions to stay sane. I don't believe the truth is strewn with booby-traps, waiting to swallow up anyone who thinks too much. There is nowhere to fall -- not unless you stand there digging the hole.
Re: pc components
On Thu, 17 May 2001, Simon Cozens wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:03:35AM +0100, AEF wrote: > > When I last ordered a HDD from Dabs, they mailed me a couple of days > > later to say that it wasn't in stock (there website said it was). > > My motherboard from Dabs has spent two days "awaiting credit card clearance" > and two days "awaiting despatch". It *is* in stock, it's just taking them > four days - and counting - to get around to shipping it. > > Simply aren't much better. Took them three weeks to get stuff in stock. Simply have a habit of sending me things in a really big brown paper bag, and while I quite like the Santaesque overtones, I'd prefer to see things nicely wrapped so I don't receive more (albeit smaller) items than I'd ordered. Dabs are fine, but their shop lies.
Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)
> > I appoint Greg as my Culture Adviser and as head of the church. Any > volunteers for my other minions? Even if you don't want a cabinet > post, please feel free to volunteer as a Henchman. You'll get 25 days > holiday a year, a nice uniform and a free Hench. > ... Before I kill you, Mr Bond, I want you to sign this confession of your own incompetance using your ordinary looking pen. Alex Gough -- Guyfawkes made a very loyal plan to to blow up the King and the bishops and everybody else in Parliament, with gunpowder. Although he failed attempts are made every year on St Guyfawke's Day to remind the Parliament that it would have been a Good Thing had he succeeded.
Re: Monitors
On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 04:22:04PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > How many things do you have on top of your monitor? My monitor is currently not attached to anything, and has many cans of cider precariously balanced atop, some roleplaying books, and a half bottle of vodka. The monitor that I'm currently using belons to the grilf, and this has a pair of vibrating rabbits (Anarchy and Armageddon), a lion, a gecko, a chameleon, and a stone with wierdy celtic carvings. And an extensible aerial, stuck on with blu-tak, that keeps falling off and poking me in the head. Alex -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
Re: see attachment
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 09:20:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > London.pm - the Movie! What a great idea! Can their be vampyres? > They could represent the lifesucking programmers who religiously > follow Booch methodology and use Java. How about a movie set in a post-holocaustic London where the surviving Perl Mongers are desperately trying to survive against the hordes of radiation-addled Java Zombies, and locate the few remaining stashes of beer and bandwidth? Or some kind of bizzaro martial arts fest pitching the Heretics against the True London.pm'ers (tm)... Alex -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
Re: Monitors
On Fri, 11 May 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > How many things do you have on top of your monitor? > > -Dom > Time enough for a delurking... 1 Frog (green, flat, catbeaten) 1 Dinosaur (brown, with pointy horns and tail) 1 Dinosaur (those wooden skeletons (you'd not imagine the trouble I had trying to buy this...)) And, tied to the ceiling above the monitor, a 35p flying dinosaur which waves in the thermals. Alex Gough -- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
Re: see attachment
On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 10:06:52PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > well i had 15 minutes to spare so i decided to do this ... Right, so who's going to write a script that parses all of the london.pm traffic and tells us what we need to drink? Alex, what, *read* the bloody thing? -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
Re: More revolting natives
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:54:05PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:47:43PM +0100, Dean wrote: > > On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 04:32:35PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: > > > Well, the 13 year old now claims to be 20. But no, this is his friend bk who > > > "kills people for a living" in Hereford! > > Um. I no longer want children. > You *wanted* them? :-) Deep fried? Alex -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
drinks and (maybe) parks or something
It's my birthday so I'm trying to get together a bunch of nice people together for drinks on Sunday. So far quite a few (void)ers and london.pm-ers have opted in, including ade, andym, blech, celia, duncan, harl, pete, and last but not least, zooleika. the plan: A. meet at the dive bar, 48 gerrard street at 4pm about here: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=529852&Y=180893&A=Y&Z=1 it's the bar that's part of, but underneath the kings head, on a corner amongst china town. we'll be there until 5pm. i'll have my mobile, which is: 07941977553 i've checked it. it's correct. B. maybe then go for a cocktail or two, or go for a walk in the park or something if it's nice C. then we might watch a film perhaps, or eat D. then do something that we all later regret, and swear not to let leave our (now) tightly bonded group. E. then be joined by a late comer F. find another pub and spend some time in that G. be surprised by an accidental admission by a member of our group H. be entertained by a bizarre coincidence I. come up with an idea that will eventually be put into action and make our lives happier J. decide to do something like find our way to a sushi bar, fail to actually do that, but end up doing something that we later decide was a better idea anyway K. someone says something that someone else mishears. this misunderstanding is never noticed by either party, and so the misheard person is thought of in a very unfortunate way from then on by the mishearer. L. foam tea with tapioca balls M. go home. probably to different homes but someone might decide to have a impromptu, disorganised house party. N. miss an opportunity. see you there! alex -- here they come lalalalala la lalalalala la the part time punks
Re: cocktails
On Thu, 3 May 2001, alex wrote: > anyone know a good cocktail bar (ie, not swanky, but with nice cocktails) > in London? it should be open on a sunday afternoon by the way :) for those interested in coming along, it will probably start about early afternoon. by the way, for those interested in such things, i wrote a paper for a music conference, which mentions London.pm: http://sound-hack.org/hacking.html veegus minimus -- here they come lalalalala la lalalalala la the part time punks
cocktails
anyone know a good cocktail bar (ie, not swanky, but with nice cocktails) in London? It's my BIRTHDAY and I want to invite everyone to drink tasty drinks with me but the only cocktail bar I liked has closed down. veeg -- here they come lalalalala la lalalalala la the part time punks
Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 07:47:47PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 06:56:22PM -0400, Alex Page wrote: > > Hmm, I'm feeling like this is getting waaay too off-topic > What is this "off-topic" you speak of? Is it a custom of your people? Yeah... I'm on this mailing list called goats-fans, for fans of Goats: the Comic Strip (http://www.goats.com - NOW!), and flaming and off-topic posting leads to the moderators kicking your arse severly. Alex -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 06:22:50PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: > I thought it closed down, actually. Is it still bring your own booze? Do > they still have a silly entrance exam? Hmm, I'm feeling like this is getting waaay too off-topic, especially while Dave the Goth is on sabbatical, so... No, sort of, no. Alex -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
Re: Good Accountants
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 02:26:04PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: > I suggest you go look at the entry for NY.pm at > http://www.pm.org/groups/north_america.shtml :-) *peers round site* Blimey, there's an Oxford perl mongers! You mean I'm not the only perl coder in this city?!? Alex -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
Re: Good Accountants (?)
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:50:15PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: > How can you fall over doing one step forward one step backward with your > arms out for balance? > Or was it the one where you hold you arms over your head in an > impression of someone trying to get out of a too-tight jumper in slow > motion? Actually, in Manchester, one traditionally dances to the Sisters either with a four-way country reel, or the Can-Can. Sobriety is not an option :-) Alex -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:50:50PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: > On topic - how come all the decent jobs are dahn sarf? Dunno. A lot of my coursemates ended up working for a Manchester-based IT company (Lantara?) doing network admin and web coding, but the pay wasn't great and I'd had a better offer from Nominet, hence my move to Oxfrod. Another friend ended up working for Oldham council doing C++ coding on contract, and seems fairly happy with his lot. Maybe it's because everyone in Manchester and Oop North is a horrible luddite who doesn't see the point of this new-fangled Interweb doofer... or, like the lecturers at UMIST, don't see why you need any languages other than FORTH, LISP and ADA... :-) > Off topic - have you tried Gossips, Slimelight or the 'Leccy Ballroom? Gossips: Depends on the night. Tenebrae (once a month IIRC, Fridays) is a very good, well-populated goth night, more trad than anything else. Club Noir (every thursday) is a darkwave / synthpop / EBM night with piss-poor attendance and hence no atmoshphere. Malice (every? Tuesday) is another tradgoth night with some great playlists. The club itself is nice, but the bar is HELLISHLY expensive. Slimelight: Been a member for the last 3 or 4 years. The club venue is good, the music on the downstairs floor is OK, and the top venue is hard tecnho crap. I basically go there to see my friends rather than for any other reason. Going there tomorrow, actually - I'll be the one in black *g* Electric Ballroom: Only ever been to their Full Tilt night (every Friday). Far too much skate-punk, nu-metal and dance music for my liking, and the atmosphere is a lot more on-edge and unfriendly than most of the clubs I frequent. Still, if you're drunk enough not to care, then there's enough loose women in tight PVC to make it worth attending... Alex ObLondon.pmRef: The Bronze looks like a really good club! -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
Re: Good Accountants
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:03:46AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: > Hmmm, would it be bad form to reminisce > about all things Manc on a London.pm list?! Given that I didn't learn perl until after I graduated, and Buffy isn't Manc-specific, then probably :-) Hazy tales of drunken nights in Jilly's drinking too much snakebite and falling over while trying to dance to the Sisters of Mercy probably won't interest most of london.pm Alex -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
Re: Good Accountants
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:04:36PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: > on the one hand i _almost_ like IE as it displays images as they load and > doesn't wait unitl it has em all b4 showing you the page (unless width > and height tags) ..it doesnt care about missing tags, it > handles tables and CSS somewhat better than 4.7 Yeah, I was redoing my CV the other day (it's at http://www.cpio.org/~grimoire/cv.html if you want to employ me...) and IE handled things very nicely. I'm not exactly using complicated CSS, but the fact that it worked at all surprised me. The one thing that's really bugging me is the lack of support for paged media - I've got a very simple rule that says that you should avoid page-breaking after the employer's name / details (so you get at least one paragraph of the job description in), but have yet to find a browser that works for this. Alex -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
frot the box
the stuff has arrived, so we'll probably have a go at putting shiney new things in penderel tomorrow evening. if there's a time when this would inconvenience you, let me know and i'll make a proper schedule if need be. otherwise watch out for wall'd and irc announcements. alex -- here they come lalalalala la lalalalala la the part time punks
tech meet at state51
looking forward to the meeting... just thought i'd mention that although last time i said there wouldn't be beer and there was, this time there really won't be beer... no time to organise it i'm afraid. but please feel free to bring your own :) cheers alex -- here they come lalalalala la lalalalala la the part time punks
Re: NY Invasion
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 11:25:27AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: > and we've tentatively pencilled in Thursday 26th April as a good date > for us to show them how to drink. Shit, and The Fall are playing Oxford then :-( Alex -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote: > Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for > us, but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to > step forward. i'll do some more music for a bit. alex -- here they come lalalalala la lalalalala la the part time punks
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 11:28:16AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > Alex Page wrote: > > When I was at prep school, my English teacher had lots of > > little signs over the classroom walls saying things like > > "It's not all right to say 'alright'", to drum little things > > like that in. > I hope it had s/say/write/ , since I don't hear any difference when someone > *says* "all right" or "alright". I dunno. Probably as a result of that sign, I always try to enunciate the gap between the words... Alex -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
Re: [HELP] Traceroute
On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 06:59:44AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > Alex Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > TCP/IP Illustrated, Volume 1: The Protocols, > > Gah, I've got a copy of that on my shelf. Really should get round > > to reading it at some point... > Ah, "bought any good books lately?". There are some books that are > just good to _own_ I didn't buy it... it was a present from a guilty former employer when he didn't give me the permanent position he'd promised me when I joined the company after graduation. Also got O'Rielly's HTML and XHTML, which my girlfriend has since lost... *grr* Alex -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
Re: [HELP] Traceroute
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 05:37:34PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > You probably want: > TCP/IP Illustrated, Volume 1: The Protocols, Gah, I've got a copy of that on my shelf. Really should get round to reading it at some point... Alex -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:17:24AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
> mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/
AOL. A strongly grammatical language like Latin really makes you think about your
grammar in English. I did Latin to A-level, and remembering which form of qui to use
in a given situation really helps you work out that whole who / whom issue.
Similarly, I'm pretty good at using the subjunctive properly and stuff like that.
German helped a lot too...
> If you know the difference between it's and its, you're and your,
> and don't write 'alot', you're probably in the top 1%-ile :)
When I was at prep school, my English teacher had lots of little signs over the
classroom walls saying things like "It's not all right to say 'alright'", to drum
little things like that in.
Alex
--
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
Re: Crazy Idea
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 03:29:04PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out, subject > to the F&M issue going away. The plan would be - we bundle into > vehicles on a given afternoon (probably saturday), go to a farm > shop and get lots of cider, and then spend the night around a > camp fire, drinking and talking. But where would we find a camping ground with a fast net connection and wireless LAN connections? Alex -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
Re: Proposal for the certification body
sure - wasn't suggesting any back-room dealings - just that it will be more expedient to discuss these face to face and bounce ideas around (and i also suspect that this is a subject of interest to the minority of the list). alex > > however remember that all committee sessions should be publically available > as is the YAS way > > -- ____ alex nunes | t 020 7603 5723 | f 020 7603 2504 director | read the NEW story @ http://codix.net/ codix.net | 107 shepherd's bush road, london w6 7lp
Re: Proposal for the certification body
btw, should all of this certification body stuff subsumed by a YAS called "Perl for Business" with the aim of convincing corporates that Perl is better technology investment than Java (and achieving this, in part, by building Perl components wherever Java currently has an edge). does such a YAS exist (or other type of body)? alex > > > > YAS has already had `salaried' staff and grants so thats not that > > new a thing, if the certification brings in cash i'm sure some of > > it can be redirected to the costs. But I am keen to see the certification > > content first before we get bogged down in theoretical balance sheets. > > > > (imho) > > > > > > -- alex nunes | t 020 7603 5723 | f 020 7603 2504 director | read the NEW story @ http://codix.net/ codix.net | 107 shepherd's bush road, london w6 7lp
Re: Proposal for the certification body
ok - fine. if there is a precedent fo YAS-type entities to operate non-virtually (ie with offices, staff, advertising, real costs etc) then this is less of a problem than i thought. we can discuss these funding mechanics (which i think are of vital importance actually) offlist in a committee session. alex > > YAS has already had `salaried' staff and grants so thats not that > new a thing, if the certification brings in cash i'm sure some of > it can be redirected to the costs. But I am keen to see the certification > content first before we get bogged down in theoretical balance sheets. > > (imho) > > -- alex nunes | t 020 7603 5723 | f 020 7603 2504 director | read the NEW story @ http://codix.net/ codix.net | 107 shepherd's bush road, london w6 7lp
Re: Proposal for the certification body
> > I'd like to think i'm a reasonably good business person as well > as engineer, i don't think we will have a problem with this sort > of expertise. > I do not question the amount of business expertise available to this committee. I question the capability of a YAS-type entity to operate without funding and salaried staff. If an entity is investable or more obviously sponsorable then it might be a lot easier to get seed funding from someone like O'Reilly or IBM. alex > -- ____ alex nunes | t 020 7603 5723 | f 020 7603 2504 director | read the NEW story @ http://codix.net/ codix.net | 107 shepherd's bush road, london w6 7lp
Re: Perl Certification Drive
you hit the nail on the head. > > > I think the money aspect is very important. This isn't YAS, it's supposed to > be a professional qualification for professional programmers. £300 sounds > like a good number for me. "If it only costs a fiver then what good can it > be" will be the PHB's attitude, I've seen this often. -- ____ alex nunes | t 020 7603 5723 | f 020 7603 2504 director | read the NEW story @ http://codix.net/ codix.net | 107 shepherd's bush road, london w6 7lp
Re: Proposal for the certification body
very interesting proposal. a) would like to be part of the committee (coming from the Perl employer and selling Perl consultancy perspective) b) i still have grave reservations about the effectiveness of an organisation outside open source communities if it is 100% non-commercial. i haven't seen the yas charter style but i think the organisation should be commercial but non-profit making (eg same business ethics as an industry body). i am still happy to participate despite these reservations. your earlier point about the success of YAPC::* (and why thinks should be 100% non-commercial) - i didn't attend but from what i heard it was a big success in terms of organisation, attendance and quality of speakers etc. but has it made a REAL impact on the perceptions of Perl outside the community. this seems to me be either the number 1 or 2 ultimate objective for exercises like PCSE. sorry, this view will be very unpopular to many readers but imho you've got to be at least a little commercial to beat the corporates at some of their own games (eg publicity / marketing). i think open source methods work supremely for writing software but they don't necessary translate perfectly to other activities - and i think Perl brand building (of which PCSE is just one component in the jigsaw) is one of them. no flames - please. alex On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > Attached is a draft proposal > > As soon as JS gets a chance to set up the mailing list, i suggest > me move the discussion there. > > -- alex nunes | t 020 7603 5723 | f 020 7603 2504 director | read the NEW story @ http://codix.net/ codix.net | 107 shepherd's bush road, london w6 7lp
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
sorry, was unclear. robert proposed a meta-certification body which then gave the tests out to certifiers (netthink, iterative etc). this seems to me to be far too complicated and fragmented. i think you need a single organisation which plays the difficult balancing act of: * being respected and trusted by the Perl community (there's no point if the Perl decision makers poo poo it) * has enough autonomy from the Perl community or transparency to not be perceived as a guild / closed shop (this accusation could be levelled very easily if the exam were perceived to be designed so that only an inner sanctum could possibly pass it) * has rich enough grading so that mere mortals can achieve some level of certification and gurus can also be recognised - i think it is in everyone's interests if lots of new people pass PCSE at some level (i think there is a strong perception that Perl skills are hard to find) * being commercial - particularly focused on marketing the PCSE logo to training companies, logos and IT directors. I don't think a voluntary, well-meaning effort will achieve this. alex > > * alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > you don't think having a single body with london.pm representation whose > > responsibilities would be exam delivery, assessment and certificaiton > > would be more efficient/effective than what you describe? > > > > alex > > > > On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Robert Shiels wrote: > > > > I think a lot of this will be about signing up to a charter or code > > > > of conduct. What we will need is an actual exam, i was thinking about > > > > this last night, and my thoughts were to write a web interface were > > > > certified certifiers could request 10 tests, by filling the names > > > > of the recipients in first. Then a script would select questions > > > > from a database of categorised questions and make up a PDF seperately > > > > for each of the recipients, the certifier would then supervise > > > > the recipient completing the test in the allotted time and afterwards > > > > they would mark it and return it (original hardcopy) to the main body. > > > > This main body may check one or two, more to ensure that their > > > > is consistency across certifiers, and assuming that the tests > > > > were all fine, the certifier would get a nice shiny PDF for each > > > > of the recipients of the test. > > > > > > > > > > As TIMTOWTDI in Perl, marking could be extremely difficult unless we have > > > multiple choice questions. Is MSCS multiple choice? SAP is. > > > > > > /Robert > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > alex nunes | t 020 7603 5723 | f 020 7603 2504 > > director | read the NEW story @ http://codix.net/ > > codix.net | 107 shepherd's bush road, london w6 7lp > -- alex nunes | t 020 7603 5723 | f 020 7603 2504 director | read the NEW story @ http://codix.net/ codix.net | 107 shepherd's bush road, london w6 7lp
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
you don't think having a single body with london.pm representation whose responsibilities would be exam delivery, assessment and certificaiton would be more efficient/effective than what you describe? alex On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Robert Shiels wrote: > > I think a lot of this will be about signing up to a charter or code > > of conduct. What we will need is an actual exam, i was thinking about > > this last night, and my thoughts were to write a web interface were > > certified certifiers could request 10 tests, by filling the names > > of the recipients in first. Then a script would select questions > > from a database of categorised questions and make up a PDF seperately > > for each of the recipients, the certifier would then supervise > > the recipient completing the test in the allotted time and afterwards > > they would mark it and return it (original hardcopy) to the main body. > > This main body may check one or two, more to ensure that their > > is consistency across certifiers, and assuming that the tests > > were all fine, the certifier would get a nice shiny PDF for each > > of the recipients of the test. > > > > As TIMTOWTDI in Perl, marking could be extremely difficult unless we have > multiple choice questions. Is MSCS multiple choice? SAP is. > > /Robert > > -- alex nunes | t 020 7603 5723 | f 020 7603 2504 director | read the NEW story @ http://codix.net/ codix.net | 107 shepherd's bush road, london w6 7lp
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
that's not the point. if learning tree design a course (with the community's approval natch) that is of sufficient standard and then put on their catalogs: Advanced Perl (3 days) - 1750 GBP + VAT [preparation for PCSE exam] << with a nice logo >> imagine the value of free publicity that is coming out of that! None of the organisations mentioned (netthink, iterative, or indeed codix) have anything like the clout individually or collectively to start getting a PCSE logo recognisable to IT directors. BTW, just so we're clear - i was thinking of another org to actually do the certification. Maybe a privately owned company formed from the london.pm membership. alex On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote: > On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: > > > At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be > > > without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up > > > with someone like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses > > > to "PCSE" standards) this might be a big winner. > > > > It's a fair point. But do Learning Tree have a good reputation in the > > marketplace? I'm not sure they do. > > > > I categorically refused yesterday to allow any of out people to be sent on > a Learning Tree Perl course ... > > /J\ > > -- alex nunes | t 020 7603 5723 | f 020 7603 2504 director | read the NEW story @ http://codix.net/ codix.net | 107 shepherd's bush road, london w6 7lp
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
depends what you want from the exercise - if you are a perl shop and want to know how good applicants are then, yes, CPH (but if you're a perl shop you can pretty quickly determine how good people are anyway). so, i can't really see the point in this. i think it should sound like a professional certification a la MCSE simply to address corporate criticisms that this is a hackers only language with no certification. i think the whole initiative should be more about making Perl be taken more seriously OUTSIDE the community. alex > > Shouldn't that be CPH for "Certified Perl Hacker" or is that missing > the point? > > Dave... > -- ____ alex nunes | t 020 7603 5723 | f 020 7603 2504 director | read the NEW story @ http://codix.net/ codix.net | 107 shepherd's bush road, london w6 7lp
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses to "PCSE" standards) this might be a big winner. alex ps i only mention learning tree because they're a company people know of OUTSIDE the Perl community. ps2 PCSE - Perl Certified Software Engineer? lack of imagination? > > I'd suggest that it is a reasonable working assumption that both > NetThink, Iterative and other Perl Consultancies/Trainers want to > make money. I'd also state the assumption that if proposed to the > wider Perl community - Perl certification would go back into > argument state, so I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing), that we > form the London.pm certification. NetThink and Iterative will > sign up to teach to a given level of skills (or several levels). > > This process _has_ to be open and should have a deadline. If we > can get something that helps london / south england and/or the UK > then we can achieve something. > > I'd advise getting some non-trainers involved as well, perhaps > Blackstar and other Perl businesses? (their hook will be that > they become partners and get logo placement in whatever pseudo > forum/organisation does this) > > I realise this action and the attitude may not be popular on > the wider stage, but ho hum. > > Thoughts? If Simon (NetThink), Piers/Leon (Iterative), Dave Cross > (with his london.pm hat on) and a couple of companies that use > Perl say this is a good idea, i think we can do this. > > Greg > > > > -- alex nunes | t 020 7603 5723 | f 020 7603 2504 director | read the NEW story @ http://codix.net/ codix.net | 107 shepherd's bush road, london w6 7lp
RE: Job: I'm looking for one..
i'm not sure this does cut both ways - if what you are saying is correct - then java's dominance becomes even more of a self-fulfilling prophecy. i don't think it's the corporates themselves who are making all the noise about java - it's an aggressive sun PR department which is latching on to corporate java projects and then turning these into "case studies". basically, no matter how much good-natured perl advocacy there is out there - it's always going to be very hard to influence corporate decision makers when you are up against an army of buzzword technology salaried PR departments. i think the difference between Linux and Perl is relevant. Linux has been adopted by big hardware manufacturers in an effort to challenge M$ dominance. Linux is therefore gaining credibility in corporateland (though the jury is definitely out). The same cannot be said of Perl. Until a corporate puts marketing muscle behind it (highly unlikely) people will perceive it as a hacker technology. alex ps whoever raised the issue of opex/capex - openness: the more people i talk to nowadays about selling consultancy work - the more i hear people wanting product and support - not bespoke solutions. people out there have different notions of openness: they would prefer to be in hock to a brand name technology company (eg Open Market) than a consultancy with an exotic skillset (which does actually make some sense). > > One thing to remember is that the hype cuts two ways. We may read in a > magazine of ten projects using Java, and none using Perl, but that is as > much because the companies that are using Perl don't bother sending press > releases to everyone than it is because no one is using Perl. > -- alex nunes | t 020 7603 5723 | f 020 7603 2504 director | read the NEW story @ http://codix.net/ codix.net | 107 shepherd's bush road, london w6 7lp
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
many accurate points but what you have to bear in mind is that the higher the project value the more warped the mindset of decision makers becomes - for example: a) have i read about Perl / mod_perl in Management Today, no b) have i read about Java/ Open Market / IBM Ariba , yes c) do i want to get sacked because i chose the wrong technologies (ie ones which my bosses have never heard of)? no d) do i perceive that these skills do not exist in the labour market? look at the number of perl recruitment ads then compare it to the number of java ads. you've heard the adage "noone was ever sacked for hiring ibm" - i think we're moving towards s/IBM/Java/ alex ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating tons of noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java. On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, alex wrote: > > > > > easier said than done - it's a lot easier to hire good people than > > convince clients that perl is the way forward - i may be wrong but i think > > there are less and less big Perl projects out there available to perl > > consultancies. once you get to a particular price bracket (necessary to > > afford and retain uber perl hackers) people start wanting to hear the > > corporate technology buzzwords - j2ee, open market, bea, sap, siebel etc > > This does appear to be true, mind you many companies are recruiting perl > developers for themselves. This is healthy. I think a lot of companies see > j2ee, weblogic, etc as 'safe' despite quite catastrophic failures and the > high cost (the price of a consultant or contractor for any of these buzz > technologies is 2 or 3 times the price for less trendy technologies). > > I think java is likely to be associated with a load of spectacular > failures. I don't think any project has failed because of cost or flaws in > perl, and major companies are migrating towards perl and oss in > general. many vendors like weblogic are claiming sites liek amazon use > technology when they have migrated to perl. > > perhaps its time to beat these vendors at their own game with a list of > their clients who have migrated. > > A. > > > -- alex nunes | t 020 7603 5723 | f 020 7603 2504 director | read the NEW story @ http://codix.net/ codix.net | 107 shepherd's bush road, london w6 7lp
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
easier said than done - it's a lot easier to hire good people than convince clients that perl is the way forward - i may be wrong but i think there are less and less big Perl projects out there available to perl consultancies. once you get to a particular price bracket (necessary to afford and retain uber perl hackers) people start wanting to hear the corporate technology buzzwords - j2ee, open market, bea, sap, siebel etc this is just my 2p - please appreciate that i would love the situation to be different (ie people queueing up for solutions using open source methods - particulary perl) but i don't think that is the market situation. alex On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: > y* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 11:41:33PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote: > > > On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Roger Burton West wrote: > > > > >Just to let you all know I'm on the market again. > > > > Me too. > > > er.. and me. > > > > Who was it that was saying that the contract market was great just now? > > > > i think it was me, i dont want to go into this too much, but i think > that a general perl consultancy (you know who you are) can take these > guys, be very clever at marketting yourselves and prosper > > -- alex nunes | t 020 7603 5723 | f 020 7603 2504 director | read the NEW story @ http://codix.net/ codix.net | 107 shepherd's bush road, london w6 7lp
upgrade fund
unless anyone has any arguments, i'll buy a fast, reliable largish hard drive and lots of memory (i understand it's cheap at the moment) for penderel (the computer) this week. i'd like to do it via dabs.com, because their interface is useable and i've not personally had any problems with them. i'll pick only in-stock stuff because i understand that they can be slacker than they advertise when it comes to re-stocking. jo would hopefully oversee the process so i don't end up ordering bananas by mistake. are the mungers happy with this approach? or would you prefer bananas? alex -- f£$*4"£%^"6..4opt-66.ing net.art
Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:40:29PM +, Simon Wilcox wrote: > >2. MM DD YY is an evil date format, and should be abolished in favour of DD > >MM YY which is more sensible. > Or even better YY-MM-DD which avoids cross-pond confusion. Or even better still, YYYY-MM-DD :-) Alex
Re: Matt's Scripts
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: > Formmail - alex@state51 will take more later if there are some left over -- a member of the state51 conspiracy tonight i'm gonna party like it's (time_t) 1E9 dadadodo> IE5 PIPE CRACK always SMOKING
Re: if we can make it there, we can make it anywhere
On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 03:20:24PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > After I cunningly (as cunning as a bear who had just graduated from > the school of obviousness) passed off the organisation of the NY.pm > invasion there was yet again another burst of enthusiasm for it, and > now it appears to have once again fallen off, where are we on this? Dunno, if someone wants to use a perl meet as a smokescreen to coincide with a music festival I want to attend in NY at the end of august so I've got more chance of getting time off past my bosses, I'd be most grateful :-) Alex -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
server money
right, time to harvest some money so far i have two donation in hand, making 100 pounds, with another promised, so that makes 150 - a couple more and it would be more worth it (no point in debating again what to buy yet). so if there's any more people who'd like a prestigious account on the london.pm server, either send me a cheque, transfer the money into my account, or bring the money to the axkit talk tomorrow. 50 pounds each cheers, alex
live Perl music, wednesday
london.pm, slub play a live generative set this wednesday 7th february at 'deriver', in the foundry. our set will start at about 8:30pm, although the evening will kick off a bit before that i think. should be a fun evening of drinking, chatting and strange noises. best alex -- i recommend dramatically combined, shaped snack pastries for business.
Re: Last Night
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 05:43:27AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: > I hope that everyone who turned up last night had a good time Certainly did. Sorry I didn't get to meet many people or stay very long, but Thursday nights are notoriously busy for me. > I'd be interested in any opinions that people had about the venue as > I'm still looking for a new home for our social meetings. It didn't seem too bad - my pints were 2.50 each, which for central London isn't bad. There were certainly space issues, however. I quite fancy the idea of going to different pubs, rather than sticking to a "home", but I'm like that so feel free to ignore me :-) Alex -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
Re: Perl Books
On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:21:57AM -0600, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: > :) I think you are missing my point here. The plumber who is skilled in a > trade probably thinks you are an idiot when you manage to mangle your own > pipes and have to call him to fix it for you. Yeah... I always forget to flush when forking, and I've done some horrible things with IPC::Open3 before... Alex -- "I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth
Re: Mailing List Archive
a public archive containing all our email addresses is obviously bad. no-spam countermeasures help, but it's an ugly solution.. it's also about atmosphere. i don't like contributing to a friendly, discussive list that's archived and searchable by anyone who happens to drop by. mutual trust is a valuable thing. -- i recommend dramatically combined, shaped snack pastries for business.
Re: Munging Reply-To
On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Andy Wardley wrote: > If I explicitly set the Reply-To: in a message posted to the list then > the software is munging it to set it to reply to the list. > Therefore, the current behaviour is wrong, even according to the > "Munging Reply-To considered harmful" arguments (which we don't > necessarily accept as valid). there is only one right way, and that's to give people the choice. that's what i do, and in my experience the majority prefer to have their reply-to's munged on discussive lists such as this one. alex -- Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: > Without wanting to sound too real-world and pragmatic, why not upgrade > the server when you actually *need* to, i.e. learn how to monitor > performance and when it starts to suck, *then* buy new stuff. because as i'm gathering together this money, i'll want to spend it (on the server) straight away rather than have it sitting around. you have some good suggestions for what we should spend it on, though. alex -- Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined
Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:27:18AM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > It should be mandatory for all public servants to be adept at Sim > City. IIRC, Sim City is one of Ken Livingstone's favorites. Alex
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok i was a bit late ;) -- Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: > I'm not sure. I don't think I've ever known this. I'm hoping that > someone woh a) bought it or b) is sitting next to it will be able to > leap in with this information. [alex@penderel alex]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 5 model : 8 model name : AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor stepping: 12 cpu MHz : 350.803 cache size : 64 KB fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no sep_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mmx 3dnow bogomips: 699.60 [alex@penderel alex]$ cat /proc/meminfo total:used:free: shared: buffers: cached: Mem: 130895872 126423040 4472832 53395456 62877696 15953920 Swap: 271392768 6909952 264482816 MemTotal:127828 kB MemFree: 4368 kB MemShared:52144 kB Buffers: 61404 kB Cached: 15580 kB BigTotal: 0 kB BigFree: 0 kB SwapTotal: 265032 kB SwapFree: 258284 kB [alex@penderel alex]$ cat /proc/scsi/scsi Attached devices: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 06 Lun: 00 Vendor: IBM Model: DDRS-34560 Rev: S97B Type: Direct-AccessANSI SCSI revision: 02 [alex@penderel alex]$ df Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/sda6 4119172899532 3010396 24% / /dev/sda1 7746 2951 4395 41% /boot I can open up the box on any requested fact-finding missions. :) alex -- Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: > Thanks for the offer. I'm more that happy to take you up on it. no problems. > How soon do you think you can have a list of the kinds of hardware > that you want to buy? That would give us an estimate of how many new > donors we're looking for. I'd prefer to do it the other way round if you don't mind, and say you have just one month to send a cheque for 50 pounds made out to C A McLean [1] to state51, 8 rhoda street, bethnal green, e2 7ef , or brought along to the next social or technical meeting. At the end of the month I'll let you all know what money we have and we can then decide what to do with it. Alex [1] My first name is actually Christopher, but handily my parents changed their minds after registering my birth and decided to call me by my middle name. PS The guy with the tennants extra broke in to another part of the building and caused some damage to a couple of studios :( it seems that he couldn't find anything to steal, but still, not nice. -- Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: > Anyone fancy it? I forgot to mention, I offered to do this before, and that offer still stands. alex -- Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined
techmeet aftermath
Thanks to all for visiting our humble factory. I hope you all enjoyed it as much as I. We have gained a set of whiteboard pens, and a pile of andy wardley's notes. Any takers? The slight downside was a brief invasion by a unshaven fellow clutching a can of tennants extra. He asked if he could watch andy wardley talk for a while (well, he didn't actually know his name afaik), but after a few minutes I asked him to leave as he was looking around our office in a worrying way. I'm pretty sure he didn't pick up anything before I noticed him there though... Err, apologies if that person was actually a perl monger... Anyway, Paul and Philip (the hosts) where very impressed with the enthusiastic atmosphere, and would be happy for london.pm to come by again. A couple of references for my (rather sketchy) talk... http://slub.org/ - a generative music collaboration between ade ward and myself http://generative.net/ - various things, including a discussion of Data Beautification with MIDI::Realtime http://sound-hack.org/ - various things http://sound-hack.org/MIDI/Realtime.pm - better version than CPAN (sorry) I am happy to discuss this stuff in greater detail off-list, or in the generative art mailing list 'eu-gene' at generative.net. Best, Alex
whiteboard pens
for people who are coming to the tech meeting tonight -- do you have any whiteboard pens you could bring along? to avoid unnecessary confusion, list traffic and whiteboard pens, if whiteboard pen owners could mail me directly offering to bring some, I'll reply to the first person saying "yes please bring your whiteboard pens along by all means." cheers, alex -- Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
In my opinion London would be fine for an August conference. I don't know what the fuss is about, really. London is not like Paris in the summer. We have a lot more parks. Perhaps September would be better, but hey. Alex -- Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined
Re: trade mark parody (Re: PIMB T-shirts)
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 01:43:00PM +, Robin Houston wrote: > Don't we have someone here who *is* a lawyer? :-) More to the point, don't we have someone who could drop a mail to one of the happy bunnies at O'Rielly and ask them nicely not to sue us? Alex
Re: PIMB T-shirts
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:59:44PM +, Redvers Davies wrote: > There is a temptation to insert a joint into the mouth of the "Republic of > Perl" camel. Of course this would never happen[1]. > [1] Something tells me that would have to be a trademark thing that O'Reilly > would protect. IANAL, but AFAIK parody is protected under trademark law, as long as you're not making profit (I presume beer money for the hassle of T-shirt making is excusable). Alex
Re: PIMB T-shirts
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:32:47PM +, Marcel Grunauer wrote: > How about "Smoking Perl" for Amsterdam? "YAPC::Europe::Amsterdam - A Week-Long Hashref" Alex
Re: one liner
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Dean S Wilson wrote: > I agree but I also think that this is one of the problems, the only > people who see the modules are other perl coders. indeed. there are few end-user perl apps. in my eyes Perl is not particularly good for programs written by one person, or in small groups working closely together, or by highly experienced programmers. maybe this is why you don't end up with many good, generalised Perl applications. at the least, Perl development needs to be well managed, perhaps a little more than most. perhaps perl6 will solve this, but it seems to me that Perl programmers have so much choice, that every Perl hacker uses a different sub-language within Perl. for example, i dislike Perl with map()'s that throw away return values, and most uses of unless(), but do plenty to annoy other programers - for example strange data hiding techniques. well that's all negative, so i'll go on to say why Perl is the best language for me... i believe that Perl allows human expression better than any other language i've heard of. most importantly, i can get things working fast. i can't use c++ to create art because there is too much time between the idea and execution - so the idea gets stale before it can be realised. with Perl, the creative process continues while i'm in the coding phase; in fact, that's the only phase i have for my personal projects... also the amount of choice allows me to write programs that match my way of thinking. i can write a large program and be confident that it will work first time (apart from syntax errors), because i have been able to construct the program in my own terms. i have control over my medium. the impressive data munging capabilities allow me to create art quickly and expressively, that has direct 'influences' from the external world... for example, creating audio based on the structure of motorways taken from GPS data, or from mailing lists. and of course the community - CPAN is very useful but exists because of a sharing and (mostly) friendly community. if i'm going to use other people's code in my art this is a highly important point. so to me, Perl is the most human computer language, and so the most suitable language for computer art. alex ps Tangram and Template Toolkit are great! -- Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined
Re: one liner
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Dean S Wilson wrote: > I left (void) and you'l not take me back alive! Outlook canne take the > strain! i think london.pm is busier than (void) nowadays, a lot of the thought-provoking people left -- Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined
Re: Technical Meeting
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, jo walsh wrote: > i have had ideas about (Ouperlpo? Oupropo?) myself, but never done > anything about it :/ that would indeed be cool. our generative music performance at YAPC::Europe was influenced by these people -- Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined
Re: FOOD
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 02:55:09PM -0500, David H. Adler wrote: > > I drink badly too. > I'm sorry, but that parsing of Jonathan's comment indicates that he > *needs* badly. His drinking skills are indeterminate at this point. Erm, how does one need badly? "God, I need a cigarette." "Here you go, you can scab one of mine." "No thanks, I'm fine." Alex, stalking dha around the 'net
Re: Technical Meeting
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote: > It was pointed out this evening that I hadn't send out a reminder for > the technical meeting which is in two weeks time (Jan 18th). We'll be > holding it at State 51 and I'm hoping that Alex or Jo will post > detailed directions. walk out of the bagel shop, turn left, walk on and across the crossroads, take the next left [better instructions soon, but it takes up most of rhoda street, bethnal green, nearest tubes are old street, shoreditch, liverpool street and bethnal green, or closest of all, bus route number 8] we have plenty space, but enough seating may be a problem. if you have back problems or so, let me know and i'll make sure you get somewhere nice to sit. what time should it start, dave? > As always I'm looking for volunteers to speak at the meeting. If > you've got anything really cool[1] to tell us about then please let me > know. i'd like to talk about organising sound with perl for 20 minutes
Re: Getting keys of mapped hash?
On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Shevek wrote:
> > my @sort=sort keys %{ +{ map { $_ => undef } @list } };
> Maybe I'm missing something here, but how is this different to
> my @sort = sort @list;
values in @sort are unique?
Re: new years eve
> where, when? I haven't made any plans yet but was thinking about going down to the foundry NYE evening and hanging around there until 2001 then playing it by ear from there on. Anyone fancy that?
