Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Alex Page

On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:11:50PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:

 I must have imagined London.pm.

Thank God! It was all a horrible, horrible dream!!!

Alex
-- 
Four pints of milk, a turkey baster and some plastic
 tubing, that's all you need.
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Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-14 Thread Alex Page

On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 05:28:45PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 So how many people are bringing partners to YAPC::Europe? 

a) I can blag it as a training course with my boss
b) I can afford to take time off work
c) She can find a babysitter
d) We can afford to take her too

$answer = ( $a || $b )  $c  $d;

Alex
-- 
Four pints of milk, a turkey baster and some plastic
 tubing, that's all you need.
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Re: Pubs - a serious investigation

2001-06-09 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 05:46:33PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:

 o The Doggetts Coat and Arms (by the river)

It has to be said, Doggetts is a fine, fine pub. Plenty of room,
not-too-loud music, nice beer... and fairly convenient for most people.

Alex
-- 
Four pints of milk, a turkey baster and some plastic
 tubing, that's all you need.
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http://www.livejournal.com/users/diffrentcolours



Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux

2001-06-07 Thread Alex Page

On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 08:46:39AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I presume that this is a permie thing?

 Yes. And I'd estimate that _most_ of you I know would be, um, a bit
 too heavyweight for them...

Heh, same that even a wonder-newbie like me has gainful employment
right now :-)

Alex
-- 
Four pints of milk, a turkey baster and some plastic
 tubing, that's all you need.
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http://www.livejournal.com/users/diffrentcolours



Re: Religion

2001-06-02 Thread Alex Gough

 At 15:53 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote:
 
 Jon, thinking Paganism and Christianity should co-exist happily as do Art 
 and Science.
 

Yes, if only...

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,62-112765,00.html

Alex Gough
-- 
Today class, we'll be cloning extinct
species to see how they taste.





Re: Religion

2001-06-02 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 07:36:12PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:

 What with this and Piers' earlier revelations  and the ever present
 Unixbeard I have this feeling that maybe we ought to get a Morris Side
 together for next years Jack in the Green festival in Hastings,

Heh, I haven't done Morrising for ages. Count me in!

Alex
-- 
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 tubing, that's all you need.
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http://www.livejournal.com/users/diffrentcolours



Re: LCN June

2001-06-01 Thread alex

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Dean wrote:
 Lonix
 Date: Wednesday 6th June at 6.00pm.

hasn't this been postponed?

alex




Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Alex Gough

On Tue, 22 May 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote:

 hmmm .. I was tempted just to let it pass .. but I can't resist ;)
 
 What you need to remember is this : They will say ANYTHING to get your
 vote .. ANYTHING.

Even the truth?  I'd very much doubt that.

Alex Gough
-- 
I don't believe that honesty leads to madness.  I don't believe we
need delusions to stay sane.  I don't believe the truth is strewn with
booby-traps, waiting to swallow up anyone who thinks too much.  There
is nowhere to fall -- not unless you stand there digging the hole.






Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Alex Gough

On Thu, 17 May 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
 On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:03:35AM +0100, AEF wrote:
   When I last ordered a HDD from Dabs, they mailed me a couple of days
  later to say that it wasn't in stock (there website said it was).
 
 My motherboard from Dabs has spent two days awaiting credit card clearance
 and two days awaiting despatch. It *is* in stock, it's just taking them
 four days - and counting - to get around to shipping it.
 
 Simply aren't much better. Took them three weeks to get stuff in stock.

Simply have a habit of sending me things in a really big brown paper bag,
and while I quite like the Santaesque overtones, I'd prefer to see things
nicely wrapped so I don't receive more (albeit smaller) items than I'd
ordered.

Dabs are fine, but their shop lies.





Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Alex Gough

 
 I appoint Greg as my Culture Adviser and as head of the church.  Any
 volunteers for my other minions?  Even if you don't want a cabinet
 post, please feel free to volunteer as a Henchman.  You'll get 25 days
 holiday a year, a nice uniform and a free Hench.
 

... Before I kill you, Mr Bond, I want you to sign this confession of your
own incompetance using your ordinary looking pen.

action type=strokes naked cat

Alex Gough
-- 
Guyfawkes made a very loyal plan to to blow up the King and the bishops
and everybody else in Parliament, with gunpowder.  Although he failed
attempts are made every year on St Guyfawke's Day to remind the
Parliament that it would have been a Good Thing had he succeeded.





Re: see attachment

2001-05-12 Thread Alex Page

On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 09:20:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 London.pm - the Movie! What a great idea! Can their be vampyres?
 They could represent the lifesucking programmers who religiously
 follow Booch methodology and use Java.

How about a movie set in a post-holocaustic London where the
surviving Perl Mongers are desperately trying to survive against
the hordes of radiation-addled Java Zombies, and locate the few
remaining stashes of beer and bandwidth?

Or some kind of bizzaro martial arts fest pitching the Heretics
against the True London.pm'ers (tm)...

Alex
-- 
I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want. - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: see attachment

2001-05-11 Thread Alex Page

On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 10:06:52PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 well i had 15 minutes to spare so i decided to do this ...

Right, so who's going to write a script that parses all of
the london.pm traffic and tells us what we need to drink?

Alex, what, *read* the bloody thing?
-- 
I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want. - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Monitors

2001-05-11 Thread Alex Gough

On Fri, 11 May 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:

 How many things do you have on top of your monitor?
 
 -Dom
 
Time enough for a delurking...

1 Frog (green, flat, catbeaten)
1 Dinosaur (brown, with pointy horns and tail)
1 Dinosaur (those wooden skeletons (you'd not imagine the trouble I had
trying to buy this...))

And, tied to the ceiling above the monitor, a 35p flying dinosaur which
waves in the thermals.

Alex Gough
-- 
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but
it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.





Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:03:46AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:

 Hmmm, would it be bad form to reminisce
 about all things Manc on a London.pm list?!

Given that I didn't learn perl until after I graduated, and Buffy
isn't Manc-specific, then probably :-)

Hazy tales of drunken nights in Jilly's drinking too much snakebite
and falling over while trying to dance to the Sisters of Mercy
probably won't interest most of london.pm

Alex
-- 
I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want. - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-27 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:50:50PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:

 On topic - how come all the decent jobs are dahn sarf?

Dunno. A lot of my coursemates ended up working for a Manchester-based IT
company (Lantara?) doing network admin and web coding, but the pay wasn't
great and I'd had a better offer from Nominet, hence my move to Oxfrod.

Another friend ended up working for Oldham council doing C++ coding on
contract, and seems fairly happy with his lot.

Maybe it's because everyone in Manchester and Oop North is a horrible
luddite who doesn't see the point of this new-fangled Interweb doofer...
or, like the lecturers at UMIST, don't see why you need any languages other
than FORTH, LISP and ADA... :-)

 Off topic - have you tried Gossips, Slimelight or the 'Leccy Ballroom?

Gossips: Depends on the night. Tenebrae (once a month IIRC, Fridays) is a
very good, well-populated goth night, more trad than anything else. Club
Noir (every thursday) is a darkwave / synthpop / EBM night with piss-poor
attendance and hence no atmoshphere. Malice (every? Tuesday) is another
tradgoth night with some great playlists. The club itself is nice, but the
bar is HELLISHLY expensive.

Slimelight: Been a member for the last 3 or 4 years. The club venue is good,
the music on the downstairs floor is OK, and the top venue is hard tecnho crap.
I basically go there to see my friends rather than for any other reason. Going
there tomorrow, actually - I'll be the one in black *g*

Electric Ballroom: Only ever been to their Full Tilt night (every Friday).
Far too much skate-punk, nu-metal and dance music for my liking, and the
atmosphere is a lot more on-edge and unfriendly than most of the clubs I
frequent. Still, if you're drunk enough not to care, then there's enough loose
women in tight PVC to make it worth attending...

Alex

ObLondon.pmRef: The Bronze looks like a really good club!
-- 
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 can have everything that you want. - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Good Accountants (?)

2001-04-27 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:50:15PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

 How can you fall over doing one step forward one step backward with your
 arms out for balance?
 Or was it the one where you hold you arms over your head in an
 impression of someone trying to get out of a too-tight jumper in slow
 motion?

Actually, in Manchester, one traditionally dances to the Sisters either
with a four-way country reel, or the Can-Can. Sobriety is not an option :-)

Alex
-- 
I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want. - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-27 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 06:22:50PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

 I thought it closed down, actually. Is it still bring your own booze? Do
 they still have a silly entrance exam?

Hmm, I'm feeling like this is getting waaay too off-topic, especially while
Dave the Goth is on sabbatical, so...

No, sort of, no.

Alex
-- 
I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want. - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Migrating South (was Good Accountants)

2001-04-27 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 07:47:47PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 06:56:22PM -0400, Alex Page wrote:

  Hmm, I'm feeling like this is getting waaay too off-topic

 What is this off-topic you speak of?  Is it a custom of your people?

Yeah... I'm on this mailing list called goats-fans, for fans of Goats:
the Comic Strip (http://www.goats.com - NOW!), and flaming and off-topic
posting leads to the moderators kicking your arse severly.

Alex
-- 
I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want. - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-26 Thread Alex Page

On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:04:36PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:

 on the one hand i _almost_ like IE as it displays images as they load and
 doesn't wait unitl it has em all b4 showing you the page (unless width
 and height tags) ..it doesnt care about missing /table tags, it
 handles tables and CSS somewhat better than 4.7

Yeah, I was redoing my CV the other day (it's at http://www.cpio.org/~grimoire/cv.html 
if you want to employ me...) and IE handled things very nicely. I'm not exactly using 
complicated CSS, but the fact that it worked at all surprised me.

The one thing that's really bugging me is the lack of support for paged media - I've 
got a very simple rule that says that you should avoid page-breaking after the 
employer's name / details (so you get at least one paragraph of the job description 
in), but have yet to find a browser that works for this.

Alex
-- 
I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want. - Jareth, Labyrinth



frot the box

2001-04-24 Thread alex


the stuff has arrived, so we'll probably have a go at putting shiney new
things in penderel tomorrow evening.

if there's a time when this would inconvenience you, let me know and i'll
make a proper schedule if need be.  otherwise watch out for wall'd and irc
announcements.

alex

-- 
here they come   lalalalala la   lalalalala la   the part time punks




tech meet at state51

2001-04-19 Thread alex


looking forward to the meeting...

just thought i'd mention that although last time i said there wouldn't be
beer and there was, this time there really won't be beer...  no time to
organise it i'm afraid.

but please feel free to bring your own :)

cheers

alex

-- 
here they come   lalalalala la   lalalalala la   the part time punks




Re: NY Invasion

2001-04-12 Thread Alex Page

On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 11:25:27AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:

 and we've tentatively pencilled in Thursday 26th April as a good date
 for us to show them how to drink.

Shit, and The Fall are playing Oxford then :-(

Alex
-- 
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

2001-04-09 Thread alex

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
 Last Thursday I bullied^Wasked some people to consider doing talks for
 us, but I can't remember who they were. This is your opportunity to
 step forward.

i'll do some more music for a bit.

alex

-- 
here they come   lalalalala la   lalalalala la   the part time punks





Re: [HELP] Traceroute

2001-04-07 Thread Alex Page

On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 06:59:44AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 Alex Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   TCP/IP Illustrated, Volume 1: The Protocols, 

  Gah, I've got a copy of that on my shelf. Really should get round
  to reading it at some point...

 Ah, "bought any good books lately?". There are some books that are
 just good to _own_

I didn't buy it... it was a present from a guilty former employer when
he didn't give me the permanent position he'd promised me when I joined
the company after graduation. Also got O'Rielly's HTML and XHTML, which
my girlfriend has since lost... *grr*

Alex
-- 
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-07 Thread Alex Page

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 11:28:16AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
 Alex Page wrote:

  When I was at prep school, my English teacher had lots of 
  little signs over the classroom walls saying things like 
  "It's not all right to say 'alright'", to drum little things 
  like that in.

 I hope it had s/say/write/ , since I don't hear any difference when someone
 *says* "all right" or "alright".

I dunno. Probably as a result of that sign, I always try to
enunciate the gap between the words...

Alex
-- 
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Alex Page

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:17:24AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:

 Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
 mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/

AOL. A strongly grammatical language like Latin really makes you think about your 
grammar in English. I did Latin to A-level, and remembering which form of qui to use 
in a given situation really helps you work out that whole who / whom issue.

Similarly, I'm pretty good at using the subjunctive properly and stuff like that. 
German helped a lot too...

 If you know the difference between it's and its, you're and your,
 and don't write 'alot', you're probably in the top 1%-ile :)

When I was at prep school, my English teacher had lots of little signs over the 
classroom walls saying things like "It's not all right to say 'alright'", to drum 
little things like that in.

Alex
-- 
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-03 Thread Alex Page

On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 03:29:04PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out, subject
 to the FM issue going away. The plan would be - we bundle into
 vehicles on a given afternoon (probably saturday), go to a farm
 shop and get lots of cider, and then spend the night around a
 camp fire, drinking and talking.

But where would we find a camping ground with a fast net connection and wireless LAN 
connections?

Alex
-- 
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread alex


i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be without
a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up with someone
like learning tree (eg they can claim to deliver courses to "PCSE"
standards) this might be a big winner.

alex

ps i only mention learning tree because they're a company people know of
OUTSIDE the Perl community.

ps2 PCSE - Perl Certified Software Engineer? lack of imagination?


 
 I'd suggest that it is a reasonable working assumption that both
 NetThink, Iterative and other Perl Consultancies/Trainers want to
 make money. I'd also state the assumption that if proposed to the
 wider Perl community - Perl certification would go back into
 argument state, so I suggest (with Dave Cross' blessing), that we
 form the London.pm certification. NetThink and Iterative will 
 sign up to teach to a given level of skills (or several levels).
 
 This process _has_ to be open and should have a deadline. If we
 can get something that helps london / south england and/or the UK
 then we can achieve something. 
 
 I'd advise getting some non-trainers involved as well, perhaps
 Blackstar and other Perl businesses? (their hook will be that
 they become partners and get logo placement in whatever pseudo
 forum/organisation does this)
 
 I realise this action and the attitude may not be popular on
 the wider stage, but ho hum.
 
 Thoughts? If Simon (NetThink), Piers/Leon (Iterative), Dave Cross 
 (with his london.pm hat on) and a couple of companies that use
 Perl say this is a good idea, i think we can do this.
 
 Greg
 
 
 
 

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Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread alex


depends what you want from the exercise - if you are a perl shop and want
to know how good applicants are then, yes, CPH (but if you're a perl shop
you can pretty quickly determine how good people are anyway). so, i can't 
really see the point in this. 

i think it should sound like a professional certification a la MCSE simply
to address corporate criticisms that this is a hackers only language with
no certification.

i think the whole initiative should be more about making Perl be taken
more seriously OUTSIDE the community. 

alex

 
 Shouldn't that be CPH for "Certified Perl Hacker" or is that missing 
 the point?
 
 Dave...
 

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Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread alex


you don't think having a single body with london.pm representation whose
responsibilities would be exam delivery, assessment and certificaiton
would be more efficient/effective than what you describe?

alex

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:

  I think a lot of this will be about signing up to a charter or code
  of conduct. What we will need is an actual exam, i was thinking about
  this last night, and my thoughts were to write a web interface were
  certified certifiers could request 10 tests, by filling the names
  of the recipients in first. Then a script would select questions
  from a database of categorised questions and make up a PDF seperately
  for each of the recipients, the certifier would then supervise
  the recipient completing the test in the allotted time and afterwards
  they would mark it and return it (original hardcopy) to the main body.
  This main body may check one or two, more to ensure that their
  is consistency across certifiers, and assuming that the tests
  were all fine, the certifier would get a nice shiny PDF for each
  of the recipients of the test.
 
 
 As TIMTOWTDI in Perl, marking could be extremely difficult unless we have
 multiple choice questions. Is MSCS multiple choice? SAP is.
 
 /Robert
 
 

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Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread alex


sorry, was unclear. robert proposed a meta-certification body which then
gave the tests out to certifiers (netthink, iterative etc). this seems to
me to be far too complicated and fragmented.

i think you need a single organisation which plays the difficult balancing
act of:

* being respected and trusted by the Perl community (there's no
  point if the Perl decision makers poo poo it)
* has enough autonomy from the Perl community or transparency to
  not be perceived as a guild / closed shop (this accusation could
  be levelled very easily if the exam were perceived to be designed so that
  only an inner sanctum could possibly pass it)
* has rich enough grading so that mere mortals can achieve some
  level of certification and gurus can also be recognised  - i
  think it is in everyone's interests if lots of new people pass PCSE 
  at some level (i think there is a strong perception that Perl skills 
  are hard to find)
* being commercial - particularly focused on marketing the PCSE
  logo to training companies, logos and IT directors. I don't
  think a voluntary, well-meaning effort will achieve this. 

alex

 
 * alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
  you don't think having a single body with london.pm representation whose
  responsibilities would be exam delivery, assessment and certificaiton
  would be more efficient/effective than what you describe?
  
  alex
  
  On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:
I think a lot of this will be about signing up to a charter or code
of conduct. What we will need is an actual exam, i was thinking about
this last night, and my thoughts were to write a web interface were
certified certifiers could request 10 tests, by filling the names
of the recipients in first. Then a script would select questions
from a database of categorised questions and make up a PDF seperately
for each of the recipients, the certifier would then supervise
the recipient completing the test in the allotted time and afterwards
they would mark it and return it (original hardcopy) to the main body.
This main body may check one or two, more to ensure that their
is consistency across certifiers, and assuming that the tests
were all fine, the certifier would get a nice shiny PDF for each
of the recipients of the test.
   
   
   As TIMTOWTDI in Perl, marking could be extremely difficult unless we have
   multiple choice questions. Is MSCS multiple choice? SAP is.
   
   /Robert
   
   
  
  -- 
  
  alex nunes | t 020 7603 5723 | f 020 7603 2504
  director   | read the NEW story @ http://codix.net/
  codix.net  | 107 shepherd's bush road, london w6 7lp   
 

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Re: Perl Certification Drive

2001-03-29 Thread alex


you hit the nail on the head.

 
 I think the money aspect is very important. This isn't YAS, it's supposed to
 be a professional qualification for professional programmers. £300 sounds
 like a good number for me. "If it only costs a fiver then what good can it
 be" will be the PHB's attitude, I've seen this often.


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Re: Proposal for the certification body

2001-03-29 Thread alex


btw, should all of this certification body stuff subsumed by a YAS called
"Perl for Business" with the aim of convincing corporates that Perl
is better technology investment than Java (and achieving this, in part,
by building Perl components wherever Java currently has an edge).

does such a YAS exist (or other type of body)?

alex

  
  YAS has already had `salaried' staff and grants so thats not that
  new a thing, if the certification brings in cash i'm sure some of
  it can be redirected to the costs. But I am keen to see the certification
  content first before we get bogged down in theoretical balance sheets.
  
  (imho)
  
  
 
 

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Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread alex


easier said than done - it's a lot easier to hire good people than
convince clients that perl is the way forward - i may be wrong but i think
there are less and less big Perl projects out there available to perl
consultancies.  once you get to a particular price bracket (necessary to
afford and retain uber perl hackers) people start wanting to hear the
corporate technology buzzwords - j2ee, open market, bea, sap, siebel etc

this is just my 2p - please appreciate that i would love the situation to
be different (ie people queueing up for solutions using open source
methods - particulary perl) but i don't think that is the market
situation. 

alex

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 y* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 11:41:33PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote:
   On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Roger Burton West wrote:
Just to let you all know I'm on the market again.
Me too.
   er.. and me. 
  
  Who was it that was saying that the contract market was great just now?
  
 
 i think it was me, i dont want to go into this too much, but i think
 that a general perl consultancy (you know who you are) can take these
 guys, be very clever at marketting yourselves and prosper
 
 

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RE: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread alex


i'm not sure this does cut both ways - if what you are saying is correct -
then java's dominance becomes even more of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

i don't think it's the corporates themselves who are making all the noise
about java - it's an aggressive sun PR department which is latching on to
corporate java projects and then turning these into "case studies". 

basically, no matter how much good-natured perl advocacy there is out
there - it's always going to be very hard to influence corporate decision
makers when you are up against an army of buzzword technology salaried PR
departments. 

i think the difference between Linux and Perl is relevant. Linux has been
adopted by big hardware manufacturers in an effort to challenge M$
dominance. Linux is therefore gaining credibility in corporateland (though
the jury is definitely out). The same cannot be said of Perl. Until a
corporate puts marketing muscle behind it (highly unlikely) people will
perceive it as a hacker technology.

alex

ps whoever raised the issue of opex/capex - openness: the more people i
talk to nowadays about selling consultancy work - the more i hear people
wanting product and support - not bespoke solutions. people out there have
different notions of openness: they would prefer to be in hock to a brand
name technology company (eg Open Market) than a consultancy with an exotic
skillset (which does actually make some sense).

 
 One thing to remember is that the hype cuts two ways. We may read in a
 magazine of ten projects using Java, and none using Perl, but that is as
 much because the companies that are using Perl don't bother sending press
 releases to everyone than it is because no one is using Perl.
 

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Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Alex Page

On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:40:29PM +, Simon Wilcox wrote:

 2. MM DD YY is an evil date format, and should be abolished in favour of DD
 MM YY which is more sensible.

 Or even better YY-MM-DD which avoids cross-pond confusion.

Or even better still, -MM-DD :-)

Alex



Re: if we can make it there, we can make it anywhere

2001-03-04 Thread Alex Page

On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 03:20:24PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 After I cunningly (as cunning as a bear who had just graduated from
 the school of obviousness) passed off the organisation of the NY.pm
 invasion there was yet again another burst of enthusiasm for it, and
 now it appears to have once again fallen off, where are we on this?

Dunno, if someone wants to use a perl meet as a smokescreen to coincide with a music 
festival I want to attend in NY at the end of august so I've got more chance of 
getting time off past my bosses, I'd be most grateful :-)

Alex
-- 
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth



server money

2001-02-21 Thread alex


right, time to harvest some money

so far i have two donation in hand, making 100 pounds, with another
promised, so that makes 150 - a couple more and it would be more worth it
(no point in debating again what to buy yet).

so if there's any more people who'd like a prestigious account on the
london.pm server, either send me a cheque, transfer the money into my
account, or bring the money to the axkit talk tomorrow.

50 pounds each

cheers,

alex




Re: Perl Books

2001-02-02 Thread Alex Page

On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:21:57AM -0600, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:

 :) I think you are missing my point here. The plumber who is skilled in a
 trade probably thinks you are an idiot when you manage to mangle your own
 pipes and have to call him to fix it for you. 

Yeah... I always forget to flush when forking, and I've done some horrible things with 
IPC::Open3 before...

Alex
-- 
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Last Night

2001-02-02 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 05:43:27AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:

 I hope that everyone who turned up last night had a good time

Certainly did. Sorry I didn't get to meet many people or stay very long, but Thursday 
nights are notoriously busy for me.

 I'd be interested in any opinions that people had about the venue as
 I'm still looking for a new home for our social meetings.

It didn't seem too bad - my pints were 2.50 each, which for central London isn't bad. 
There were certainly space issues, however.

I quite fancy the idea of going to different pubs, rather than sticking to a "home", 
but I'm like that so feel free to ignore me :-)

Alex
-- 
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread alex


a public archive containing all our email addresses is obviously bad.
no-spam countermeasures help, but it's an ugly solution..

it's also about atmosphere.  i don't like contributing to a friendly,
discussive list that's archived and searchable by anyone who happens to
drop by.  mutual trust is a valuable thing.

-- 
i recommend dramatically combined, shaped snack pastries for business.




Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund

2001-01-19 Thread alex

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
 Anyone fancy it?

I forgot to mention, I offered to do this before, and that offer still
stands.

alex

-- 
Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined





Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund

2001-01-19 Thread alex

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
 Thanks for the offer. I'm more that happy to take you up on it.

no problems.

 How soon do you think you can have a list of the kinds of hardware
 that you want to buy? That would give us an estimate of how many new
 donors we're looking for.

I'd prefer to do it the other way round if you don't mind, and say you
have just one month to send a cheque for 50 pounds made out to C A McLean
[1] to state51, 8 rhoda street, bethnal green, e2 7ef , or brought along
to the next social or technical meeting.

At the end of the month I'll let you all know what money we have and we
can then decide what to do with it.


Alex

[1] My first name is actually Christopher, but handily my parents changed
their minds after registering my birth and decided to call me by my middle
name.

PS The guy with the tennants extra broke in to another part of the
building and caused some damage to a couple of studios :( it seems that he
couldn't find anything to steal, but still, not nice.

-- 
Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined





Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund

2001-01-19 Thread alex

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
 I'm not sure. I don't think I've ever known this. I'm hoping that
 someone woh a) bought it or b) is sitting next to it will be able to
 leap in with this information.

[alex@penderel alex]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : AuthenticAMD
cpu family  : 5
model   : 8
model name  : AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor
stepping: 12
cpu MHz : 350.803
cache size  : 64 KB
fdiv_bug: no
hlt_bug : no
sep_bug : no
f00f_bug: no
coma_bug: no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp  : yes
flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 sep mtrr
pge mmx 3dnow
bogomips: 699.60

[alex@penderel alex]$ cat
/proc/meminfo
total:used:free:  shared: buffers:  cached:
Mem:  130895872 126423040  4472832 53395456 62877696 15953920
Swap: 271392768  6909952 264482816
MemTotal:127828 kB
MemFree:   4368 kB
MemShared:52144 kB
Buffers:  61404 kB
Cached:   15580 kB
BigTotal: 0 kB
BigFree:  0 kB
SwapTotal:   265032 kB
SwapFree:258284 kB

[alex@penderel alex]$ cat /proc/scsi/scsi
Attached devices:
Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 06 Lun: 00
  Vendor: IBM  Model: DDRS-34560   Rev: S97B
  Type:   Direct-AccessANSI SCSI revision: 02

[alex@penderel alex]$ df
Filesystem   1k-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda6  4119172899532   3010396  24% /
/dev/sda1 7746  2951  4395  41% /boot

I can open up the box on any requested fact-finding missions. :)


alex

-- 
Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined





Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund

2001-01-19 Thread alex

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:

ok i was a bit late ;)

-- 
Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined





Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Alex Page

On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:27:18AM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

 It should be mandatory for all public servants to be adept at Sim
 City.

IIRC, Sim City is one of Ken Livingstone's favorites.

Alex



whiteboard pens

2001-01-18 Thread alex


for people who are coming to the tech meeting tonight -- do you have any
whiteboard pens you could bring along?

to avoid unnecessary confusion, list traffic and whiteboard pens, if
whiteboard pen owners could mail me directly offering to bring some, I'll
reply to the first person saying "yes please bring your whiteboard pens
along by all means."

cheers,

alex

-- 
Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined





techmeet aftermath

2001-01-18 Thread alex


Thanks to all for visiting our humble factory.  I hope you all enjoyed it
as much as I.

We have gained a set of whiteboard pens, and a pile of andy wardley's
notes.  Any takers?

The slight downside was a brief invasion by a unshaven fellow clutching a
can of tennants extra.  He asked if he could watch andy wardley talk for a
while (well, he didn't actually know his name afaik), but after a few
minutes I asked him to leave as he was looking around our office in a
worrying way.  I'm pretty sure he didn't pick up anything before I noticed
him there though...

Err, apologies if that person was actually a perl monger...

Anyway, Paul and Philip (the hosts) where very impressed with the
enthusiastic atmosphere, and would be happy for london.pm to come by
again.

A couple of references for my (rather sketchy) talk...

http://slub.org/   - a generative music collaboration between
 ade ward and myself
http://generative.net/ - various things, including a discussion of Data
 Beautification with MIDI::Realtime
http://sound-hack.org/ - various things
http://sound-hack.org/MIDI/Realtime.pm
   - better version than CPAN (sorry)

I am happy to discuss this stuff in greater detail off-list, or in the
generative art mailing list 'eu-gene' at generative.net.

Best,

Alex






Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread alex


In my opinion London would be fine for an August conference.

I don't know what the fuss is about, really.  London is not like Paris in
the summer.  We have a lot more parks.

Perhaps September would be better, but hey.


Alex

-- 
Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined




Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-16 Thread Alex Page

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:32:47PM +, Marcel Grunauer wrote:

 How about "Smoking Perl" for Amsterdam?

"YAPC::Europe::Amsterdam - A Week-Long Hashref"

Alex



Re: PIMB T-shirts

2001-01-16 Thread Alex Page

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:59:44PM +, Redvers Davies wrote:

 There is a temptation to insert a joint into the mouth of the "Republic of
 Perl" camel.  Of course this would never happen[1].

 [1] Something tells me that would have to be a trademark thing that O'Reilly
 would protect.

IANAL, but AFAIK parody is protected under trademark law, as long as you're not making 
profit (I presume beer money for the hassle of T-shirt making is excusable).

Alex



Re: trade mark parody (Re: PIMB T-shirts)

2001-01-16 Thread Alex Page

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 01:43:00PM +, Robin Houston wrote:

 Don't we have someone here who *is* a lawyer? :-)

More to the point, don't we have someone who could drop a mail to one of the happy 
bunnies at O'Rielly and ask them nicely not to sue us?

Alex



Re: one liner

2001-01-06 Thread alex

On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Dean S Wilson wrote:
 I left (void) and you'l not take me back alive! Outlook canne take the
 strain!

i think london.pm is busier than (void) nowadays, a lot of the
thought-provoking people left

-- 
Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined





Re: one liner

2001-01-06 Thread alex

On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Dean S Wilson wrote:
 I agree but I also think that this is one of the problems, the only
 people who see the modules are other perl coders.

indeed.  there are few end-user perl apps.

in my eyes Perl is not particularly good for programs written by one
person, or in small groups working closely together, or by highly
experienced programmers.  maybe this is why you don't end up with many
good, generalised Perl applications.  at the least, Perl development needs
to be well managed, perhaps a little more than most.

perhaps perl6 will solve this, but it seems to me that Perl programmers
have so much choice, that every Perl hacker uses a different sub-language
within Perl.  for example, i dislike Perl with map()'s that throw away
return values, and most uses of unless(), but do plenty to annoy other
programers - for example strange data hiding techniques.

well that's all negative, so i'll go on to say why Perl is the best
language for me...  i believe that Perl allows human expression better
than any other language i've heard of.  most importantly, i can get things
working fast.  i can't use c++ to create art because there is too much
time between the idea and execution - so the idea gets stale before it can
be realised.  with Perl, the creative process continues while i'm in the
coding phase; in fact, that's the only phase i have for my personal
projects...

also the amount of choice allows me to write programs that match my way of
thinking.  i can write a large program and be confident that it will work
first time (apart from syntax errors), because i have been able to
construct the program in my own terms.  i have control over my medium.

the impressive data munging capabilities allow me to create art quickly
and expressively, that has direct 'influences' from the external world...
for example, creating audio based on the structure of motorways taken from
GPS data, or from mailing lists.

and of course the community - CPAN is very useful but exists because of a
sharing and (mostly) friendly community.  if i'm going to use other
people's code in my art this is a highly important point.

so to me, Perl is the most human computer language, and so the most
suitable language for computer art.

alex

ps Tangram and Template Toolkit are great!

-- 
Snack pastries are dramatic when shapes are combined






Re: Technical Meeting

2001-01-04 Thread alex

On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
 It was pointed out this evening that I hadn't send out a reminder for
 the technical meeting which is in two weeks time (Jan 18th). We'll be
 holding it at State 51 and I'm hoping that Alex or Jo will post
 detailed directions.

walk out of the bagel shop, turn left, walk on and across the crossroads,
take the next left

[better instructions soon, but it takes up most of rhoda street, bethnal
green, nearest tubes are old street, shoreditch, liverpool street and
bethnal green, or closest of all, bus route number 8]

we have plenty space, but enough seating may be a problem.  if you have
back problems or so, let me know and i'll make sure you get somewhere nice
to sit.

what time should it start, dave?

 As always I'm looking for volunteers to speak at the meeting. If
 you've got anything really cool[1] to tell us about then please let me
 know.

i'd like to talk about organising sound with perl for 20 minutes




Re: Getting keys of mapped hash?

2001-01-03 Thread alex

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Shevek wrote:
  my @sort=sort keys %{ +{ map { $_ = undef } @list } };
 Maybe I'm missing something here, but how is this different to
 my @sort = sort @list;

values in @sort are unique?