RE: accessibel navigation app for the iphone
I know that this doesn't help you, but I use it routinely on the iPhone 4, and it is working fine, at least on this model. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of joseph Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 9:15 AM To: MacVisionaries Subject: Re: accessibel navigation app for the iphone Hi Jeff I've used navigon but since they updated it about a month ago, like many users, the app is crashing when i select an address to navigate too. I emailed the company with this problem, but no reply so far. Any other suggestion? best Jeff Berwick wrote: I am using a program called Navigon. It works quite well. I believe it is about $50 in the iTunes store right now. Jeff On 2010-07-31, at 5:32 AM, joseph wrote: hi listers does anyone know of any accessible navigation app for the iphone? thank you in advance best -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: word processing and spred sheets on ipad
I can not say with certainty, but I thought that I read that it isn't possible. I know that, with apps like Drop Box, you can certainly view and open your files on the remote server for viewing on your iPhone/iPad, but you're really just opening them inside the Drop Box app, using its own built-in viewers. Just like other apps, Drop Box can access files over the Internet, and can even download them in to its private sandbox on the iPhone/iPad, but it can't give other applications on the device access to the files. The flash memory on the iPhone isn't so much of a disk or hard drive, as it is a kind of temporary cache memory. The way the iPhone works, all of the real storage of data and heavy processing is supposed to happen on a server that is reached via the Internet. The flash memory is mainly there so that the iPhone can hold a local temporary copy of data that would be too slow or large to constantly stream from the net connection, like program code, sounds and graphics that make up an app's interface, etc. Apple didn't plan to let anyone make native programs for the iPhone in the beginning, so I guess they thought that this wouldn't matter. Later, when people started to make apps, they held on to this model, because, by preventing programs from accessing each other, they thought that they could prevent people from gaining access to protected content. Now, they want the iPad to be able to be used for desktop-like tasks, but, with all of the app isolation, you must jump through hoops to share data that has been created on the device itself. Apple's design choices are usually centered around making computing tasks simple by removing unnecessary choices in order to streamline a task. You lose flexibility, but the result is that, for most people, the program does what they want, with a minimum amount of fuss, and with little or no tech understanding required. They've done such a great job with the App Store, simplifying the processes of paying for, and installing software, down to the point where a complete tecnophobe could do it. iTunes and the iPod simplify the tasks of organizing and working with a music library. However, I find it very funny that, due to their choices, something as fundamental to a computer as word processing, requires all sorts of explanations regarding how to import/export between native format, how to selectively sync content, and how to put documents in to, and take them out of, iTunes on the Mac. Not that there is anything that could help the situation right now, given how locked down the iOS devices are. Anything that requires that you get data from your own devices, rather than a server somewhere, is profoundly frustrating. Think of the people making the Daisy players for iOS. Most players need only that you copy a book from your computer to a memory card, and put that card in to the player. With iOS devices, it is necessary to explain to people about how they must get both devices on to the same Wi-Fi network, but not just any public wi-fi network, but a private wi-fi network that allows intra-client communication. Then, they need to download, install, and learn to use an FTP client, connecting to the iOS device using a long code (an IP address), that they must listen to on the device and type in to their computer. That isn't too bad for tech types. For most people that buy an iOS device for its simplicity, and have no problem accomplishing most tasks, talking about special wi-fi networks, ftp clients, IP addresses, and other junk is enough to make them say why bother. I'll get a Victor Reader or Book Sense. In these cases, the iOS device is losing out because it is too complicated. While I know that the main motivation for the iOS devices working this way is for security, the conspiracy theorist in me says that this inability to easily use your own content is not such an accident. It makes everyone a lot more money if you must pay to get what you want from the cloud, rather than using what you already have. Of course, techy users can find ways to partially use their content on the new devices, but non-techy users will often decide that it is just too complicated, and that they'd rather be doing other things with their time. Also, some of us wouldn't need to keep and maintain so many huge personal collections, if we could get what we want from the cloud. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 4:59 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad If you have a mobile me account, can you not save the documents to iDisk? On 30 Jul 2010, at 18:46, Bryan Smart wrote: Simon, it is usable, but you may not actually want to use it. I had an iPad, and I tried this stuff, but I didn't do it a lot, and I haven't tried it in a while, so I'll probably
RE: Is there a blind mac programmers list?
There is a Google group. It's called mv-dev. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Lawlor Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 4:33 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Is there a blind mac programmers list? Hello list, Is there a blind mac programmers list? I thought I heard of one mentioned sometime ago but can't remember the name of it. Thanks, Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: word processing and spred sheets on ipad
Simon, it is usable, but you may not actually want to use it. I had an iPad, and I tried this stuff, but I didn't do it a lot, and I haven't tried it in a while, so I'll probably make some mistakes in my description. There will undoubtedly be some iPad people that tell me that I overlooked something. That's fine, but here is the general idea. So, you want to put a file on your iPad to edit while you're away from home. You know that you can't just hook up the iPad to the computer and copy the file over, as the iPad security doesn't allow that. Here is what you must do. You must add the file to iTunes, including, I think, marking it for sync. Then, you must start a sync of your iPad with iTunes. When that completes, you need to go in to the iWork program on the iPad that you want to use, like Pages, and locate the document. Except, you can't use it right away. You must import the document in to Pages (I think it converts it or something). Now, you can edit all you want. However, when you get back home, and want to print it, you must go through the process in reverse. You have to go in to Pages on the iPad, load your document, export it to a regular document, hook up to the Mac, sync with iTunes, and then get it back in to your Word Processor. Basically, while iPad and iPhone programs can save and load files, they only have access to the files that they specifically create, or that are brought in to them through a sync with iTunes or over the Internet. Programs on the iPad and iPhone can't access any file that was created by another program on the same device, nor can they share their files with other iPad/iPhone programs. You also can't access any documents or files that a program makes from a computer, unless that program is authorized to sync through iTunes. That's why programs like the Daisy book reader can't let you transfer books directly to your device. They must waste time with built-in FTP servers or store files remotely on a server somewhere. For the most part, I don't need to do the sort of things with a phone to where this is a big enough of a pain to me, and so I use an iPhone. However, for most computing tasks, this is way too much of a lock down. I mean, if Apple wants to lock up the programs, that's one thing, but they should at least have a common place on the iPhone/iPad where programs can store and share files with each other. Like I said, if I can only get a voice memo out of the voice memo recording program by using its built-in function to e-mail it to me, then I'll deal, but trying to undertake large projects on one of these devices is a frustrating activity that I'd never recommend. These devices just are not made for producing content. They're meant to be very nice Internet terminals. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:16 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: word processing and spred sheets on ipad And it's useable with VO on the iPad? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Shaw Sent: Tuesday, 27 July 2010 1:26 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: word processing and spred sheets on ipad The full iWorks suite is available specifically; for iPad. This includes Pages, Numbers and Keynote. Good luck, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: A new mac accessory
He is right. I have spent a lot of time in the last few months studying different software development technologies on the Mac, including Applescript. VoiceOver can be controlled from scripts, but those scripts must be manually activated. VoiceOver has the keyboard commander, and scripts can also be started from other macro packages, but they can't be started in response to something happening on screen. With Windows screen readers, they can run a piece of script to read you a window, a status bar, etc when that area of the screen changes. With the Mac, though, , there isn't any way right now to trigger a script when something happens in the user interface. This means that it isn't possible to use scripts to automatically let you know when an important event happens, or to automatically read you important information. Beyond that, when people say that VoiceOver supports scripting, what is meant is that VoiceOver can be controlled from scripts. That is not the same thing as the scripting support in a Windows screen reader. Your script can tell VoiceOver to perform any of its commands. You can say move right or read contents of VoiceOver cursor, and those commands will be performed just like you triggered them from one of the commanders. You don't get access to the user interface's object model. You can't make a script that jumps you directly to a particular control, because you can't access the user interface object model to search for the control, and you can't command VoiceOver to move the VoiceOver cursor to an arbitrary user interface object. There are ways to work around some of this. You can use the System Events scripting support to manipulate the user interface, but it isn't a very straight forward approach, and most newbie developers won't wrap their heads around it easily. There are systems that simplify the manipulation of the UI. The PFiddlesoft frameworks provide an easy way to receive events from, and control the UI, through the same accessibility frameworks that are used by VoiceOver. However, you still can't run scripts in response to events, and there are licensing restrictions on the distribution of those frameworks. Macro packages like QuicKeys and Keyboard Maestro offer a lot more triggering options the the ultra-basic VoiceOver keyboard commander, but they cost between $40 and $60 per computer. So, right now, scripting for VO is extremely basic, and not useful for most situations where you'd really need scripting. Maybe Apple will come up with something better in a future version of VO. Maybe some of the makers of the macro apps will start to support UI and/or accessibility events as triggers. Either would help a lot. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of .dan. Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 2:03 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: A new mac accessory This all sounds good. If you learn apple script you can get the same thing with out putting out any bucks. How so? How can script duplicate universal fine grained control and power of dos screen access? Even when directly controled by keystrokes vo can not do this so how does having a script improve upon it? In performing some tasks that a macro script can do with a keystroke perhaps. In having that same script triggered by text appearing at a particular place on the screen, how? XB IC|XC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: accessible screen sharing software
No. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chad baker Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 12:26 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: accessible screen sharing software Hi is there any accessible screen sharing apps? Not sure if this has been covered. thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: NAS and Time Machine
Hi Kevin. I looked in to this a while back. It's too bad about its limitations, as Time Capsule would be great for this task. It's an all-in-one appliance for most home-server tasks: router, wireless access point, print server, and simple NAS. If it could work as an FTP server, and could work reliably as a file server, then it would cover everything. It only has one internal drive, but you can get the drive redundancy by attaching an external drive to its USB port, and it will mirror the internal drive to the external. The main problem for me, which I'm sure that you've encountered, is that the router portion sucks. It is missing lots of features that are standard on most other routers now, but the one that I absolutely can't live without is quality of service control. Without QOS, voice over IP and games can't get stable performance. Any other network service can momentarily suck all of the bandwidth, and cause your call to break up, or your game to freeze up. Of course, you can disable the router function, and attach it to your existing router, but, as you've discovered, without the router functions, you're much better off financially to buy a NAS and cheap print server. Anyway, about how to get your NAS to work. The NAS will work if it can do two things. First, you have to be able to format the drives as Mac HFS journaled. Time machine depends on features in the HFS files system in order to handle its incremental backups. Second, as far as I understand, the NAS needs to be able to support AFP. I can't remember the reason at the moment, but I remember reading that, while the Mac can connect to NFS and SMB shares, Time Machine can't. I've seen some NASes now listing Time Machine support specifically. Looking for that on the spec would be your safest bet. Some of them even list that they'll work as an iTunes server (hosting your library). You still should try Googling for more info, though. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Shaw Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:34 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: NAS and Time Machine Similar to Time Capsule, but not an Apple product. The drive will show up as a standard disk in Finder, but I am wondering if Time Machine will do automatic backups to that drive. Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: screen curtain
Yep. It doesn't turn off the screen, it only displays solid black. The backlight is still on, using power, though. To prove that, get someone sighted to look at the screen from an extreme angle (it will glow), or look at the Apple logo on the back of the monitor (it is lit by the display backlight, and will still glow). Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 11:23 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: screen curtain For saving the battery, rather than using the screen curtain, I would turn the display brightness all the way down to 0, that will totally turn off the screen lighting. On Jul 25, 2010, at 4:20 PM, John D. Lipsey wrote: Hello! I enable my screen curtain because A: I don't like people being able to look over my shoulder while I'm using my computer, and B: I assume that it saves a bit of battery power. However, I was under the impression that the screen curtain would behave like it does on the IPhone and reactivate whenever I turn on voiceover or my computer. Should this in fact be the case? Or is it normal to have to restart the screen curtain each time you restart voiceover/the computer? Thanks again for all the help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Magic Trackpad
This is true, but and important thing to know is that the Magic Track Pad is 80% larger than the MacBook track pad, which is already quite a bit larger than the typical laptop track pad. VO is easier to work with the MacBook track pad than with the iPhone, due to the increased size, and I expect that the Magic Track Pad will be even easier. I expect that the Magic Track Pad, since it works over blue tooth, will make the ideal remote control for the new rumored Apple TV box, when/if it comes out. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Mattingly Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:50 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Magic Trackpad for those of us who have mac desktops or mini's, it gives us a trackpad like the one on the Macbook. Chriss Moore told me about it but I didn't expect it to be available until September. Since it is, I went ahead and ordered it. It is supposed to be here by August 3rd. Kev On Jul 27, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Carolyn wrote: What does the magic trackpad do differently? Carolyn - Original Message - From: Chris Moore mailto:moor...@blueyonder.co.uk To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Re: Magic Trackpad I have just spoken to someone in Apple Sales in Ireland, and YES it supports VO :) On 27 Jul 2010, at 15:20, Blake Sinnett wrote: Hi folks, Just wondered if anyone plans to try the Magic Trackpad and see if it works with VoiceOver? I'd love to have one if it works. There's a software update for the Magic Trackpad, and you must be running 10.6.4. Thanks, Blake -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: iPhone signal loss
Well, 4.01 came out, and I tried to install it. Half way through, iTunes gave me error 3004 (what-ever that is), and stopped. Now, the iPhone won't talk, won't reboot (black screen), and, when I attach it to the Mac, and iTunes starts, iTunes says that it is unable to connect to the iPhone software update server. I'm obviously online, since I'm sending this message from the same computer where I was trying to update. Looked online, and some other people are having this problem, too, with no solution. Been trying to re-update for about 3 hours now, but no luck. Doesn't look like there is any way to back out the update, or reset the phone and restore from a backup, since I get this error every time I attach the iPhone. Looks like my phone has been successfully bricked. Maybe Apple tech support will have a suggestion tomorrow, but, since it appears that the phone isn't actually turning on anymore, I'm not sure what they'll have me do. Take out the battery and put it back in? That will be a trick. I'm out of town on business. It was a stupid stupid thing to do to let anything of mine be updated while I'm out of town. I suspect I'll be wasting expensive time tomorrow tracking down an Apple store, instead of working. This sort of stuff is what we supposedly pay more to avoid with Apple products. Extremely disappointed. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:44 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone signal loss The feedback from the software update will be interesting to say the least. People will appear to be getting less signal all the time, regardless of if they are left handed or not. The issue of signal los will still be present, but since everyone will appear to be getting less signal all the time, it won't be as noticeable. On 15/07/2010, Carolyn ch...@q.com wrote: Now if only someone could get att's attention. I drop more calls than I do pounds on a diet! Ok, so my diet has been afailure lately, but so has att in my book. Carolyn - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: Re: iPhone signal loss I guess we'll find out at their press conference tomorrow at 10AM pacific time. Maybe the lawsuit caught their attention. http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/14/apple-to-hold-press-conference-on-i phone-4-this-friday/ http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/07/01/apple_sued_over_iphone_4 _reception_issues.html CB Sarah Alawami wrote: I don't nitice any problems with the left handedness of using the phone. I get great signel over all right handed or left handed, in or out of the case and this isn with the new phone. S On Jul 13, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Simon F wrote: Yeah apple have done great things, that's why they don't appear to be correcting The issue with the loss of signal on the iPhone 4, when it's is held in a left hand and the signal is lost. When they fix this issue, they'll sell a lot more. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Lawlor Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 2010 4:15 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A warning about Digit-Eyes Maybe an RFID reader will come in the next iPhone or some other idevice. I think it is just amazing what Apple has done with these devices thus far. I personally would like to see some sort of haptic feedback so we can get a tactual sense of icons and controls. I know Apple is working on this. Patents have been filed by Apple regarding methods for haptic feedback. Doug Sent from my iPhone On 2010-07-12, at 5:40 PM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, I think this was something APple had explored and may eventually do. Apple has all sorts of ideas floating about. :) On Jul 12, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Doug Lawlor wrote: No RFID reader in iPhone 4 as far as I can tell. My knowledge is limited on this subject as well. It may depend on the scanner being used. Doug Sent from my iPhone On 2010-07-12, at 6:44 AM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Doug, We are probably straying a bit off topic for the list, but to answer your question, I really do not know. It may be for capturing information about a specific product, you would have to get pretty close. The distances you refer too is more useful for warehouses, dockyards, and such. I am not sure if the ability to read is based on the scanner or the RFID tag itself. So, I think you can pretty much figure my knowledge is quite limited, other than what I read. I do not know when Apple might put these readers in the phone, but I thought it was to be included in version 4, but that I believe did not
RE: A warning about Digit-Eyes
Well, I have an iPhone 4, am a left-handed person, and haven't had any problems. Of course, I'm using an extremely thin hard plastic slip-case to protect my $700, mostly glass, phone, as just about anyone reasonable would that doesn't have a bottomless bank account. Yes, it looks nice, all glass and stainless steel. It isn't real durable that way. I'd like something else, but I like what it can do more than I dislike how it is made. And, besides, I can fix its construction issues with a case. It's kind of like, do what you gotta do to make the tech work for you, or else chill out on Symbian or Windows Mobile, where the accessible apps are few and those OSes are dropping accessibility support in about a year. As a blind guy, I can do so much more with my iPhone than I could with any of my Nokias, so I can overlook a flaw, particularly if it doesn't affect me. I know that, if you hold it just in the right way, without the case on, that you can cause the signal strength to reduce. I could do that with my Nokia E71, though, so don't know why it is such a big deal that it happens on iPhone. If you don't like the iPhone, then more power to what ever choice suits you. If you like the idea of the iPhone, then, I suggest that you go and try one out for yourself. Most places will let you do a 30 day return if you're not satisfied. You might find out that the majorly hyped supposed problems aren't a problem for you, either. Since I haven't seen stories about people returning their iPhones in droves, I'd say that there are about 2,000,000 people by now that agree with me. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon F Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:56 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: A warning about Digit-Eyes Yeah apple have done great things, that's why they don't appear to be correcting The issue with the loss of signal on the iPhone 4, when it's is held in a left hand and the signal is lost. When they fix this issue, they'll sell a lot more. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Lawlor Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 2010 4:15 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A warning about Digit-Eyes Maybe an RFID reader will come in the next iPhone or some other idevice. I think it is just amazing what Apple has done with these devices thus far. I personally would like to see some sort of haptic feedback so we can get a tactual sense of icons and controls. I know Apple is working on this. Patents have been filed by Apple regarding methods for haptic feedback. Doug Sent from my iPhone On 2010-07-12, at 5:40 PM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, I think this was something APple had explored and may eventually do. Apple has all sorts of ideas floating about. :) On Jul 12, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Doug Lawlor wrote: No RFID reader in iPhone 4 as far as I can tell. My knowledge is limited on this subject as well. It may depend on the scanner being used. Doug Sent from my iPhone On 2010-07-12, at 6:44 AM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Doug, We are probably straying a bit off topic for the list, but to answer your question, I really do not know. It may be for capturing information about a specific product, you would have to get pretty close. The distances you refer too is more useful for warehouses, dockyards, and such. I am not sure if the ability to read is based on the scanner or the RFID tag itself. So, I think you can pretty much figure my knowledge is quite limited, other than what I read. I do not know when Apple might put these readers in the phone, but I thought it was to be included in version 4, but that I believe did not happen yet. On Jul 11, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Doug Lawlor wrote: That's interesting, RFID would be much better for identifying products because you would not have to point a device at the product in question to identify it. Just get a reader in the general direztion of the of the product and we should be able to identify it. As I understand it, the range of RFID is quite large, something in the range of 30 feet. How do we determine a product when we have a number of products in one area, a covert full of cans and bottles, each presenting a signal that has a 30 foot radius? Doug Sent from my iPhone On 2010-07-11, at 9:33 PM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, I do not know how many products have them now, but I suspect more than we know. For example, I recently learned that the recycle bins our county provides us has a RFID chip imbedded in them. Apparently the data collected from the chips let's the county know how often we put the bins out. RFID chips are being used more now because of the speed and ability to collect data on products being shipped and received, etc.
RE: Bluetooth serial port profile on iOS 4.
Because of the Braille display support, I also thought that this was possible. However, I can't tract down any information about SPP in iOS 4. Besides Braille displays (which are supported), there are GPS receivers that work, too. They have to be using a serial connection. There doesn't seem to be any public way to do it, unless... iOS is really OS X stripped down, which is BSD. It's possible that there isn't a high level IOKit sort of way to get at the serial port, but it may be as simpple as read/write with a TTY device. There are lots of people on the web that think so, but I can't find any success stories. This is very surprising. The iPhone is great in a lot of ways, but I'm occasionally brought up short by how locked down it is in a particular area. It seems that the iPhone might be too technically limited at the moment to do what we want. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Aman Singer Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:33 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Bluetooth serial port profile on iOS 4. Hi, Mike. I can confirm that this didn't work on any 3.x version of the software. I did try it with a Touch and Phone running 3.x, and the results were the same, they seemed not even to see the receiver. Now, however, we know the underlying code is there because the Braille displays are using it. If you have a few minutes to give it a shot, I, for one, would be most appreciative. Aman -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 7:41 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Bluetooth serial port profile on iOS 4. I may give this another try, perhaps it's changed in version 4, it didn't work in version 3 with a gps receiver, apple does keep pretty tight control over what you can use and what you can't, sometimes too much in my opinion. On Jul 11, 2010, at 11:04 PM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, all. Recently, in an interesting discussion about bar code reading solutions for the iPhone, Brian mentioned that bar code scanners use the Bluetooth serial port profile as, of course, do braille displays. I'm just wondering if anyone has tried an external GPS receiver on the iPhone. I'm sure that the iPhone does support the profile, simply because braille displays use it, but is this support available to other applications? I do not currently have access to the phone to try it myself. Thanks. Aman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: A warning about Digit-Eyes
Actually, Scott, I'm not wishing for some high priced blind-only solution. I'd be 100% satisfied if this app worked with a separate laser scanner that I purchased at my own expense. Could get one of those for $300 or so, and it would still come out cheaper than the blind-guy solutions. Communicating with a Bluetooth laser scanner is easy. Laser bar code scanners, even ones that work over Bluetooth, are simple serial communications devices. All of the brains for scanning a code are in the scanner. Once it sees a code, it simply sends the raw code to the computer (or iPhone), over a serial connection. In the case of Bluetooth, this happens over the serial port profile, which has been around in Bluetooth since the very first spec. So, the Digit-Eyes people simply need to open a connection to your Bluetooth scanner over the serial port protocol, and sit/wait for a code to come in. They already have lots of code in their program for attempting to extract bar codes out of the camera images, and then pass the code to a web service that returns the information. In the case of a Bluetooth scanner, such processing isn't necessary. The scanner does the work for them. They just receive the code, and pass it along to their web service. The programming is dirt simple, compared to the rest of what is in this program. I'm glad that they're trying. I think that their bar code database has some good value. I just don't think that a CCD camera is up to this task. That's fine. I'll use my own laser scanner. I just want support for it, since the camera won't work dependably. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 9:23 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A warning about Digit-Eyes Bryan, I am not going to waste my time arguing with you over the issue. I am not entirely disagreeing with you; however, I think you seem to take a pretty dim view of these people and tend to be more supportive of the blind products that cost more. My entire point to this discussion is that this may not be perfect, but it sure as hell is better than what is available, based on cost. I would gladly spend $30 on a product that is in development and may not even quite reach the same level as some of the Blindness products, then spend the $1,000 or more for the Blindness products. Then that is me and of course you do what works best for you. So, we can agree to disagree and move on to other topics, this thread has run its course as far as I am concerned. On Jul 10, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: Scott, my opinion is based on a product, not my opinion of a person. If it takes $20,000 to plan, develop, test, document, market, and sell a program, I charge $30 for it, and sell 700 copies, I've recovered my costs. Those 700 people have already bought the program, so won't be buying it again. If it will cost me $5,000 to upgrade or modify the app, but I'll basically be giving those upgrades away for free, then I'm now $5,000 in the hole. I don't go in to business to lose money. So, saying that there is no incentive to improve a program after everyone has already bought it means that there is no financial incentive to upgrade a program, and that is a matter of fact. You can argue that all day based on emotional feelings about the matter, but no business will lose large sums of money to please customers that have already bought the product. If they're an individual, their family will complain loudly about the hardship. If they're a private corporation, the bank will have words with them. If they're a public corporation, their stock holders will vote them off the board of directors. It doesn't matter what they say. That's how it is. Anyway, I'll add my vote for laser scanners support on the phone, not the web site. If I wanted to use the web site, there is UPCDatabase, and many others. I suppose that they're doing as best as can be accomplished with a camera, but a camera is just not designed to work the way with bar codes that blind people need to work. Please give us the option of a laser scanner. Some of us aren't cheap. We just want the software to work well. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:45 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A warning about Digit-Eyes Nancy, I neglected to comment on this statement, but I agree and that statement was rather insulting. I have to say that as much participation as you and others have demonstrated on these e-mail lists, shows a level of commitment. I see lots of potential in this application and although I do not have one of those bluetooth laser barcode readers, I have thought about it. Like I said, for me it would just
RE: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor
It just doesn't. All new displays (displayport, DVI, HDMI) somehow are able to report their supported resolutions to the computer, even when they don't have mains power. Don't know how it works electronically, but it does. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Roy Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 2:53 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor This is a great explanation, but, how come it works even if the monitor is turned off. Since there's no signal, I am not sure why it still thinks there is!! On Jun 28, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Frank Carmickle wrote: Hello Bryan On Jun 28, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: Because apps like Safari decide how much information that they can show at once based on the current display resolution. The Mac determines the available screen resolutions by determining the type of monitor that is connected. When no monitor is connected, no screen resolution is defined, and so any program that depends on screen resolution will go wacko, as it thinks you have a screen with size 0. Can't fit a lot of information on a screen with size 0. Most programmers never test for that situation, because they can't test without some sort of monitor connected. Apple could fix Safari, but that's just one program among many that will go bonkers with a size 0 screen. You are absolutely correct. I thought that Apple could just implement a dummy video driver that one could set their own parameters. Do you see any reason why this wouldn't work? --FC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: A warning about Digit-Eyes
Scott, my opinion is based on a product, not my opinion of a person. If it takes $20,000 to plan, develop, test, document, market, and sell a program, I charge $30 for it, and sell 700 copies, I've recovered my costs. Those 700 people have already bought the program, so won't be buying it again. If it will cost me $5,000 to upgrade or modify the app, but I'll basically be giving those upgrades away for free, then I'm now $5,000 in the hole. I don't go in to business to lose money. So, saying that there is no incentive to improve a program after everyone has already bought it means that there is no financial incentive to upgrade a program, and that is a matter of fact. You can argue that all day based on emotional feelings about the matter, but no business will lose large sums of money to please customers that have already bought the product. If they're an individual, their family will complain loudly about the hardship. If they're a private corporation, the bank will have words with them. If they're a public corporation, their stock holders will vote them off the board of directors. It doesn't matter what they say. That's how it is. Anyway, I'll add my vote for laser scanners support on the phone, not the web site. If I wanted to use the web site, there is UPCDatabase, and many others. I suppose that they're doing as best as can be accomplished with a camera, but a camera is just not designed to work the way with bar codes that blind people need to work. Please give us the option of a laser scanner. Some of us aren't cheap. We just want the software to work well. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:45 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A warning about Digit-Eyes Nancy, I neglected to comment on this statement, but I agree and that statement was rather insulting. I have to say that as much participation as you and others have demonstrated on these e-mail lists, shows a level of commitment. I see lots of potential in this application and although I do not have one of those bluetooth laser barcode readers, I have thought about it. Like I said, for me it would just speed up the process, but then I suffer from lack of patients. :) Although now that I have gotten better with scanning barcodes with the camera, I have shorten the time it takes. However, I see the bluetooth scanner as a way to potentially make it easier for vendor operators to take inventory, possibly blind people to work in retail doing a number of different tasks, and so forth. I see the scanner as a natural extension to DigitEyes. Of course I sent you that article that I still see possibilities with. I'm so full of ideas, but then some say I'm just full of it. :) On Jul 9, 2010, at 12:25 AM, Nancy Miracle wrote: Actually, I'd disagree with that last statement. We have a lot of incentive to improve it because we want our customers to be happy and if you are not happy, we are not happy either. Nancy Miracle Digital Miracles, L.L.C. On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Yes; I'd be happy if they allowed us to use a Bluetooth laser scanner. Even though a separate device would be required for the higher quality scans, there are small scanners available. Beyond that, the important fact is that the CPU portion (the iPhone), is very mobile. We can, today, use a computer with a scanner to identify objects. Carrying a computer around the house isn't handy. Carrying an iPhone to do the processing, though, isn't that difficult. So, for me, there would still be value. I suggest that they retain the functionality with the built-in camera, but allow Bluetooth scanning for those that can purchase a scanner. I'm not sure that I'm going to pursue a refund, but I'd encourage others to withhold their money until the scanning quality has been addressed. If you just buy the program as-is, they have little incentive to improve it. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:31 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A warning about Digit-Eyes Bryan, I have used this application successfully with several types of packages. I have found cans to be particularly tricky. I can tell you that my greatest success seem to be starting out with my 3GS against the item, and once I started the scan, slowly back the phone
A warning about Digit-Eyes
I'm writing to share my experiences with Digit-Eyes. I tried it on my iPhone 4, with several bar codes, and it didn't recognize even one of them. I don't mean that the code was located, but not recognized. I mean that the code was not even detected as being in the image. I'd tap the scan button, and the constant clicking would begin to let me know that scanning was in progress. I was scanning in a brightly lit room, and the screen curtain was not on. Rotating the containers in front of the iPhone camera, with it held about a foot away from them, produced no results. I had a sighted friend deliberately place the bar code in view, something that I would have not been able to do on my own, and it wasn't recognized, either. We just kept trying different angles, and rotating, but all we got was more clicking from the Digit-Eyes scanner. I had some experience with creating a system like this several years ago. At that time, CCD cameras were not as accurate. Even so, for best results, we determined that a 3D laser scanner would be required in order for bar codes to be detected in the way that a blind person is likely to present them to the scanner: at angles, in shadow, etc. This is the technique used by other commercial systems like the ID Mate. I was lead to understand that this wasn't a concern with Digit-Eyes, due to the higher quality camera in the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4. However, based on my results, I'd say that this isn't so. Perhaps Digit-Eyes works better with dedicated labels, but, if I were to make dedicated labels, I'd just create Braille labels. I realize that everyone doesn't read Braille, and so audio labels still might be of use to some people. However, the advertised function of being able to read bar codes seems to not work, or else, it might work, but requires a level of alignment precision that I've not been able to achieve. I'm usually quite capable when it comes to reasoning through these types of situations, so my conclusion is that I've either overlooked something profound, or else the level of alignment that is required for a good scan is grater than most blind people will independently obtain without assistance. If you need assistance, you might as well ask the sighted person what is on the label. *shrug* I'd like to hear the experiences of others. However, I can't personally suggest that anyone spend the $30 that is charged for this app if they expect to use it as a bar code scanner. Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: A warning about Digit-Eyes
Yes; I'd be happy if they allowed us to use a Bluetooth laser scanner. Even though a separate device would be required for the higher quality scans, there are small scanners available. Beyond that, the important fact is that the CPU portion (the iPhone), is very mobile. We can, today, use a computer with a scanner to identify objects. Carrying a computer around the house isn't handy. Carrying an iPhone to do the processing, though, isn't that difficult. So, for me, there would still be value. I suggest that they retain the functionality with the built-in camera, but allow Bluetooth scanning for those that can purchase a scanner. I'm not sure that I'm going to pursue a refund, but I'd encourage others to withhold their money until the scanning quality has been addressed. If you just buy the program as-is, they have little incentive to improve it. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:31 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A warning about Digit-Eyes Bryan, I have used this application successfully with several types of packages. I have found cans to be particularly tricky. I can tell you that my greatest success seem to be starting out with my 3GS against the item, and once I started the scan, slowly back the phone away from the item. Again, this worked for me on several items. I have not run all over the house grabbing everything with a barcode, so I can't say that I have encountered every possible packaging type and this refers to shiny packaging, different color combinations, etc. I don't even know for sure if these are factors. I agree it would be nice if an external laser barcode reader could be used because this would seriously speed up the process of scanning items in a store etc. I put that suggestion out there and not sure if it will be considered or not. I realize carrying such a device does defeat some of the purpose perhaps, but it does allow for additional opportunities, such as someone who maintains inventory etc. Perhaps you have and if not, share your experiences and suggestion. On Jul 8, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: I'm writing to share my experiences with Digit-Eyes. I tried it on my iPhone 4, with several bar codes, and it didn't recognize even one of them. I don't mean that the code was located, but not recognized. I mean that the code was not even detected as being in the image. I'd tap the scan button, and the constant clicking would begin to let me know that scanning was in progress. I was scanning in a brightly lit room, and the screen curtain was not on. Rotating the containers in front of the iPhone camera, with it held about a foot away from them, produced no results. I had a sighted friend deliberately place the bar code in view, something that I would have not been able to do on my own, and it wasn't recognized, either. We just kept trying different angles, and rotating, but all we got was more clicking from the Digit-Eyes scanner. I had some experience with creating a system like this several years ago. At that time, CCD cameras were not as accurate. Even so, for best results, we determined that a 3D laser scanner would be required in order for bar codes to be detected in the way that a blind person is likely to present them to the scanner: at angles, in shadow, etc. This is the technique used by other commercial systems like the ID Mate. I was lead to understand that this wasn't a concern with Digit-Eyes, due to the higher quality camera in the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4. However, based on my results, I'd say that this isn't so. Perhaps Digit-Eyes works better with dedicated labels, but, if I were to make dedicated labels, I'd just create Braille labels. I realize that everyone doesn't read Braille, and so audio labels still might be of use to some people. However, the advertised function of being able to read bar codes seems to not work, or else, it might work, but requires a level of alignment precision that I've not been able to achieve. I'm usually quite capable when it comes to reasoning through these types of situations, so my conclusion is that I've either overlooked something profound, or else the level of alignment that is required for a good scan is grater than most blind people will independently obtain without assistance. If you need assistance, you might as well ask the sighted person what is on the label. *shrug* I'd like to hear the experiences of others. However, I can't personally suggest that anyone spend the $30 that is charged for this app if they expect to use it as a bar code scanner. Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group
RE: voice over scripts Would Quick keys work?
Yep. People have used it before in situations, such as the now non-functional scripts for Logic. I'm using it to assemble a generalized system of script add ons that will be a bit more like what people may have experienced with Window Eyes or Jaws. Download it, if you like. It's fairly accessible with VoiceOver, though there are a few tricky spots that require workarounds. There is a 30 day demo, and it is nagware after that. Buying it is inexpensive. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Reichel Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:26 AM To: MacVisionaries Subject: Re: voice over scripts Would Quick keys work? Hi Listers, What about quick keys as a app to gain access to difficult apps? Chuck Reichel On Jul 7, 2010, at 7:25 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: This is true, but I'm going on the assumption that nothing at all in the application is read, to me, that is inaccessible. And a lot of the time, that help tag command doesnt' report anything On Jul 7, 2010, at 12:00 AM, Chris Moore wrote: Sometimes you can add some functionality to an application. For example if you come across a button which says button and does not read out what the button actually does, then you can manually label that button. First of all whilst on the button press control + option + shift + h to see if the button has a alternative help tag, if so then great we are in business and if not then ask someone sighted to assist you. Whilst still at the non labelled button press control + option + / (slash). you will now be prompted to enter a label for the button. Enter a label and hit return. Now the next time your VoiceOver cursor moves over that button it will be fully labelled and visible to you. You can also label images the same way. Failing that, email the developers of the product and explain the issues you are having with the product and how they could improve the product to enable you to operate it. usually you can find how to contact a developer by going to the About menu item within the product or sometimes it is in the help menu. Failing that use google to find the developers website, or www.versiontracker.com regards Chris On 7 Jul 2010, at 01:02, Cody Hurst wrote: unlike jaws, voiceover is not controlled by scripts, this shouldn't be confused with apple scripts which are not the same thing. simply put, if the app is not accessible, the only thing to do is write the developers and tell them to make it accessible. On Jul 6, 2010, at 7:41 PM, joseph wrote: hi listers, how can i make applications accessible with voiceover? regards -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: cut, copy, and paste files
I'll have a better way to do this stuff in about a week. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Mattingly Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 5:55 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: cut, copy, and paste files Yep, I tried both of these too and no luck. What we need is a way to append to the clipboard instead of replacing the items in there. They have a way to do this in jaws but so far, no success. Do we need an enhancement or is Chris smarter or more talented than us. Kev On Jul 4, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote: Hi: 1. I opened up documents. 2. I pressed vo shift function left arrow to go to the top of the window. 3. Turned off cursor tracking. 4. Pressed shift down arrow to sellect a file. 5. Wanted to skip a couple of files and continue, but wen pressing space, it opened up a preview window, didn't select specific files to copy. On Jul 4, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Chris Moore wrote: you can use command + a to select all, to select multiple files press shift + command + option + f3 to turn keyboard tracking off, then move to the file(s) you wish to select by pressing the spacebar. On 4 Jul 2010, at 20:10, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote: What if you want to select everything from 1 point to the top of the window, I.E. from current position to home or from current position to end.? What about selecting only specific files that aren't right next to each other? On Jul 4, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote: From what I understand cut doesn't work. You can select multiple files by holding the shift and the down arrow. I generally don't have luck moving from group to group doing this. Once you select the files, hit control-c to copy and then control-v to paste when you're in the folder you want tthe files in. Is this what you're asking about? Kev On Jul 4, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote: Hello: I'm having a real problem figuring out how to cut, copy, and paste files and folders from 1 location to another. If this was Windows, I'd just use shift up and down arrows to continuously select files. If I wanted to select specific files, I'd use control up and down arrows, then press space bar on the files I wanted, choose control x, c, v, etc to perform the specific actions. I'm having no luck on the Mac. I have my keyboard, mouse, vo cursors all following each other. I'm confused. Help? I've read chapter 4 of the VO user guide, but that isn't helping me. Sarai Bucciarelli Personal Come join me on www.swagbucks.com/refer/sdbuccia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to
RE: Keyboard issues with fusion, suggestions?
I do something like this, but I map the right command key on the Mac to the caps lock key in Windows. Then, the caps lock becomes the Jaws keys when in Jaws laptop layout. And, throwing your VM in to full screen, and turning off VoiceOver will get your keyboard focus in to the VM. VMware is a piece of cake. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marshall Scott Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:34 PM To: MacVisionaries MacVisionaries Subject: Re: Keyboard issues with fusion, suggestions? Hi, Here are my Sharpkes mappings Grave to Special Caps Lock Left Alt to Left Windows Left Windows to Left Alt Right Windows to Applications After I get these keys remapped I switch to the Laptop layout in JAWS. This seems to solve the JAWS/Insert Key problem. It also fixes the reversal of the Windows and Alt Keys. Note that the Keypad layout on the Mac is different from the keypad layout on a Windows machine. Things like the Route PC to JAWS and Route JAWS to PC are in different locations on the Mac keyboard but you can learn the new locations by using JAWS keyboard help. As far as the sound goes, I Launch the VIrtual Machine and then turn off Voiceover. After I login to the Windows machine, I press Control-Command to move to the Mac and turn Voiceover back on. I then use Command-G to return to the Windows machine. I can then switch back and forth by using Control-Command and Command-G. I hope this helps. Marshall -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: How do you drag a file or folder from one location to another?
When you move a file, the computer just changes info stored on the drive about where the file is stored. It doesn't have to spend time actually making another copy. That's why people want to move instead of copy. Copying a 1GB folder takes as long as is required to copy 1GB of data. Moving a 1GB folder is almost instant. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:53 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: How do you drag a file or folder from one location to another? When dragging and dropping, aren't you just copying and pasting anyhow? If one were to compare what is actually happening with the files, wouldn't it take just as long to drag and drop a 1-gig file as copying and pasting it? Teresa On Jun 30, 2010, at 6:17 AM, John J Herzog wrote: Hi Teresa, I wanted to comment on your suggestion that it is easier to copy and paste versus drag and drop. I'm afraid that, for time reasons alone, drag and drop would be far more useful than copying and pasting currently is. When you drag and drop something from one place to another, it is almost instantaneous. By contrast, copying something that is multiple gigabytes, like an Itunes library for instance, takes quite a while. So, for time sake alone, dragging and dropping would be a far easier method of moving things from one spot to another, if only we could utilize it. Now, however, you have to copy something to a new location, remembering, of course, to delete the previous one if you don't want it any longer, which takes a good amount of time. For this reason, I wish drag and drop would be implemented in voiceover. John On Jun 30, 2010, at 8:38 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Now that I think of it, I do remember asking myself if I could live without a cut feature as I looked at some Mac tutorials. So I actually knew about that one going in. I figure if I wasn't happy with a basic feature of an OS, I wouldn't use the OS. As for dragging and dropping, it might be a good idea to know how to do it, but probably in the same way that it's a good idea to know how to make bricks. You just might use it someday, but if there's a simpler way to do it, chances are you'll mostly use that instead. Teresa On Jun 30, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: there used to be, an probably still is an automator work flow that used to simulate drag, drop and remove. This unavailability of cut at the os level has probably saved a number of tech support reps irate phonecalls and is not likely to go awyay... Cheers, Kaare. On 2010-06-30, at 3:30 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: this is strange, I think someone on here said they used it in leopard. I wonder if there is a setting that needs to be changed why would it work on one machine and not another On Jun 29, 2010, at 8:37 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: How odd. I've used the copy and paste commands numerous times to move applications from the downloads folder to the apps folder. Teresa On Jun 29, 2010, at 5:28 PM, Chris Moore wrote: Such a basic function, even Win-doze can do it. What were Apple thinking of? Do they not think we can be trusted with a virtual pair of scissors? (frown) Apart from scripts, I wonder if there are any hacks to override this. G-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r- On 30 Jun 2010, at 01:18, Chuck Reichel wrote: Hi Chris, I have Apple care on my mac pro Quad core and have been asking them when drag and drop would be fixed in Snow Leopard. It works on my g5 box with Leopard thats why I brought it to there attention. They said that they are working on it! Talk soon On Jun 29, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Chris Moore wrote: I had never noticed this problem before as I just used the mouse in the past to drag and drop, now I can't see to use the mouse. So I tried to use command + x to cut and no joy. However, cut works in text edit etc. I have sent a message to Apple asking about this, will let you know if they come back with anything constructive. Anyone else who has this issue, then please send an email to Apple too. On 29 Jun 2010, at 22:21, rossy wrote: hi , if it can help you here you can find the script move file . this helps for the cut and paste . http://www.universalaccess.it/script-english/ let us know if you need help . rossy www.universalaccess.it Il giorno 29/giu/2010, alle ore 17.16, Alfredo ha scritto: How to you drag a file or folder from one folder to another? I know this can be done, as it is in the starting guide but I did not understand how to do this. Has anyone had success doing this, if so can you tell me the tricks and tips about dragging a file or folder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to
RE: How do you drag a file or folder from one location to another?
Because no one needs it, except for the 1% of 1% of Mac users that are blind. Would have thought that someone would have even had spare time to get around to it by now. Has been that way a long long time. I'll have a better solution for this than the move file script by next week, along with some other interesting news. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:27 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: How do you drag a file or folder from one location to another? For as advanced as the finder is, I don't see hwo this could have been an issue at all, especially now. and especially considering how fast machines are nowadays, with multicore processors, why is this still an issue? On Jun 30, 2010, at 9:20 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: There is actually a technical reason, or there was, at one point. If you cut/paste a file, that should be a move of the file. Except, if you cut/paste to another hard drive, in which case, instead of a move, the Finder must perform a copy to the new drive, then delete the original. Supposedly, there was some complexity in having the Finder always detect which process was needed, and still account for strange situations, like when a folder on a volume is actually a simlink to a file server. I know that Apple could have worked it out, but it wasn't a quicky fix. I suspect that they put it off for when it could be better implemented, but, since most users don't need it, they just kept putting it off. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:57 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: How do you drag a file or folder from one location to another? No I have already looked, by turning VO off does not change the fact that Apple do not want users (sighted or blind) to cut in the finder. Shame Apple had not supplied a move file/folder feature for moving items. There used to be a hack you could enter into the terminal to unlock the greyed out cut in the main menu and pop up menu. But cutting would then just move to trash. http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060626085238931 On 30 Jun 2010, at 13:31, Cody Hurst w I tend to concur with that assessment, but this script should be easy enough to set up. rather than do as the page says and install it via the system preferences, one could just open voiceover and make a keyboard commander short cut as none of us would be working with a ma without voiceover anyway. Antoher odd thought, do you think perhaps the cut option is grayed out because we're using voiceover, and when voiceover is disabled, the option is ungrayed. seems silly but it could be a system wide bug, or feature as it was On Jun 30, 2010, at 6:01 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi, This is a philosophical letter, or at least somewhat.:-) I think it's odd that no screen reader in any graphical user interface that i have encountered has had a good drag-n-drop feature. Surely both Jfw and Wineyes has it but i have never managed to remember the commands for those things. The only screen reader i've seen that has had a good drag--drop feature was the old Outspoken screen reader for the older Macs, and that feature was really good. I wonder if it's due to technical difficulties or what could make it hard to implement this feature? and what about clicking with modifiers helld down? There are many applications where you have to option-click, shift click, command click or drag with modifier keys held down to get a certain effect. Why doesn't this work with Voiceover? It may, as i said be hard to implement so that could be why it's not possible but well, i must admit it bugs me sometimes. /Krister 30 jun 2010 kl. 02.08 skrev William Windels: Hi Chris, This is a known problem that we can't drag and drop objects in the finder. apple knows already of this issue but it seems that they are not planning to change this in the near future. It's frustrated, I know but, there is a good alternative like described in the mail of Rossy. I use this script and I have linked the hockey command+option+shift+x to do this task. It goes fast enough for me but, of course, a natural command+x should be better :( Hope this helps, best regards, William Op 30-jun-2010, om 01:23 heeft Chris Moore het volgende geschreven: I had never noticed this problem before as I just used the mouse in the past to drag and drop, now I can't see to use the mouse. So I tried to use command + x to cut and no joy. However, cut works in text edit etc. I have sent a message to Apple asking about this, will let you know if they come back with anything constructive. Anyone else who has this issue
RE: How do you drag a file or folder from one location to another?
There is actually a technical reason, or there was, at one point. If you cut/paste a file, that should be a move of the file. Except, if you cut/paste to another hard drive, in which case, instead of a move, the Finder must perform a copy to the new drive, then delete the original. Supposedly, there was some complexity in having the Finder always detect which process was needed, and still account for strange situations, like when a folder on a volume is actually a simlink to a file server. I know that Apple could have worked it out, but it wasn't a quicky fix. I suspect that they put it off for when it could be better implemented, but, since most users don't need it, they just kept putting it off. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:57 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: How do you drag a file or folder from one location to another? No I have already looked, by turning VO off does not change the fact that Apple do not want users (sighted or blind) to cut in the finder. Shame Apple had not supplied a move file/folder feature for moving items. There used to be a hack you could enter into the terminal to unlock the greyed out cut in the main menu and pop up menu. But cutting would then just move to trash. http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060626085238931 On 30 Jun 2010, at 13:31, Cody Hurst w I tend to concur with that assessment, but this script should be easy enough to set up. rather than do as the page says and install it via the system preferences, one could just open voiceover and make a keyboard commander short cut as none of us would be working with a ma without voiceover anyway. Antoher odd thought, do you think perhaps the cut option is grayed out because we're using voiceover, and when voiceover is disabled, the option is ungrayed. seems silly but it could be a system wide bug, or feature as it was On Jun 30, 2010, at 6:01 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi, This is a philosophical letter, or at least somewhat.:-) I think it's odd that no screen reader in any graphical user interface that i have encountered has had a good drag-n-drop feature. Surely both Jfw and Wineyes has it but i have never managed to remember the commands for those things. The only screen reader i've seen that has had a good drag--drop feature was the old Outspoken screen reader for the older Macs, and that feature was really good. I wonder if it's due to technical difficulties or what could make it hard to implement this feature? and what about clicking with modifiers helld down? There are many applications where you have to option-click, shift click, command click or drag with modifier keys held down to get a certain effect. Why doesn't this work with Voiceover? It may, as i said be hard to implement so that could be why it's not possible but well, i must admit it bugs me sometimes. /Krister 30 jun 2010 kl. 02.08 skrev William Windels: Hi Chris, This is a known problem that we can't drag and drop objects in the finder. apple knows already of this issue but it seems that they are not planning to change this in the near future. It's frustrated, I know but, there is a good alternative like described in the mail of Rossy. I use this script and I have linked the hockey command+option+shift+x to do this task. It goes fast enough for me but, of course, a natural command+x should be better :( Hope this helps, best regards, William Op 30-jun-2010, om 01:23 heeft Chris Moore het volgende geschreven: I had never noticed this problem before as I just used the mouse in the past to drag and drop, now I can't see to use the mouse. So I tried to use command + x to cut and no joy. However, cut works in text edit etc. I have sent a message to Apple asking about this, will let you know if they come back with anything constructive. Anyone else who has this issue, then please send an email to Apple too. On 29 Jun 2010, at 22:21, rossy wrote: hi , if it can help you here you can find the script move file . this helps for the cut and paste . http://www.universalaccess.it/script-english/ let us know if you need help . rossy www.universalaccess.it Il giorno 29/giu/2010, alle ore 17.16, Alfredo ha scritto: How to you drag a file or folder from one folder to another? I know this can be done, as it is in the starting guide but I did not understand how to do this. Has anyone had success doing this, if so can you tell me the tricks and tips about dragging a file or folder -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options,
RE: Running Windows
Well, if you want to look at it that way, Parallels must work, too. I mean, once your VM is running a screen reader, then the virtual machine will work for you. However, if you can't operate the virtual machine software to adjust preferences, attach/detach devices from the virtual machine, manage virtual machines, etc, then that is pretty inaccessible. Glad that you can accomplish what you need with Virtual Box, but wouldn't want to imply that a blind user will be able to be independently successful with it. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon F Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 11:01 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Running Windows Bryan, That's not quite true, I use virtual box and I am totally blind. I get assistance when configuring the vm's but apart from that it's very usable. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Smart Sent: Sunday, 27 June 2010 6:11 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Running Windows Yep. VMWare Fusion is the only virtual machine software that works. Parallels and Virtual Box aren't accessible at all. Fusion costs about $80, unless they're running one of their frequent specials. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 10:48 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Running Windows from what I have heard and read, fusion is much more friendly. hth Cody On Jun 26, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Chris Moore wrote: I recently bought parallels desktop 5 with the view to run a demo version of JAWS. I already have Windows XP installed via BootCamp. Anyway I got parallels up and running 9with sighted assistance). I am finding it is not very VoiceOver friendly. Even the preferences window can't even be used with VoiceOver (well you can select tabs) I noticed there were tabs for speech and iPhone, not sure what they do though. My question is this, have I bought the wrong product? Should I have bought Fusion? Is Fusion more VoiceOver friendly? cHRIS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: saytext: new OCR app for IPhone
The bar code laser scanners are a huge market. Practically any high volume inventory management system, from super markets to package shipping companies use them. Economy of scale has made them about as cheap as they're going to be for quite some time. If we weren't blind, then a CCD-based scanner could do the job at practically no cost (less than $20). Of course, the built-in iPhone camera could do just as well. The laser-based scanners are the only ones that can recognize the labels in the way that we need. One other point about the ID Mate. And, by the way, I'm not involved with that company, and don't own one, so have no personal reason to defend it. Besides the cost of the laser scanner, another large portion of the cost involves the licensing fee that they must pay to the manufacturer of the bar code database in order to legally distribute it with the ID Mate. I know that there are some free bar code databases online, and some sites that search those databases, but those barely contain anything other than the product name. The commercial databases also include everything from ingredients to cooking directions. Even a basic reader would be welcome, but, in order to have something nice, you'd also be required to license a bar code database, and that would jack up the price of your app. Because of the database size, you might not be able to bundle it with the app itself, due to App Store size restrictions. So, you'd have to keep the database online, which means a user's one-time purchase of your app would need to cover your web hosting costs in perpetuity. That isn't possible. So, your app would need to be a subscription-based service. I don't know how willing people would be to pay a monthly fee to read bar codes. I would, but lots of people are too cheap to support tools like that. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Watson Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 11:02 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: saytext: new OCR app for IPhone It's not a laser camera. It's just a laser barcode reader, and in my opinion they over charge for the thing. I am not going to commit to anything here. But if I can get ahold of a bluetooth barcode reader, the laser type, I would like to port an app that I wrote for the Icon/Braille Plus that does exactly the same thing. The issue is that a BT reader usually runs around $300 and that price point is still too high in my opinion. I would really like for the entry point to be in the 100 to 150 dollar range. I have been wondering why the Digit-Eyes folks haven't considered this approach. It would not be very difficult to make it a setting to either use the camera or the scanner to grab the barcode and then query their database. Hell, I would even contemplate the $30 cost of the software and the $300 cost of a scanner if it had that functionality. Just my thoughts. Keith But if I can find On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:42 AM, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi all, I have managed to scan a few things with sighted assistance. I will do a podcast tomorrow on it. I think you have to wait for a minute or two for Digit-eyes to come back with a positive ID. I didn't know the ID Mate had a lazar camera that makes sense why it's so expensive. there is a trick with Digit-Eyes according to my Mom. You have to hold the phone on it's side and make sure the screen curtain is turned off. If you hold it a few inches away from the item you're trying to scan you will get better results that way or so I've found with the few things I tried. Allison On Jun 27, 2010, at 2:29 AM, Chris Moore wrote: No not really, it is tricky, if you have a enough sight to see where the barcode is then you have a bit more success. It has been hit and miss with me and to be honest by the time I have managed to get it to read a barcode I have placed the item under my iPal Solo to have it read instead. I I have not used the ID mate in person, but I guess the 3D camera would explain its hight price. If you have no vision at all it is very difficult to locate the barcode, so this solution is not ideal, unless there was a ruling to say where barcodes can always be found. Let's hope the OCR solutions for the iPhone are more successful. But the barcode reader is not totally useless as I did manage to scan some things. On 27 Jun 2010, at 07:16, Bryan Smart wrote: With Digit-Eyes, how do you find the bar code? When I was involved with the development of an accessible bar code system a few years back, cameras didn't do a good job. For the bar code recognition to work, the camera couldn't face the bar code at an angle, at it had to be right-side-up. Of course, a blind person doesn't necessarily know where on the box, can, or bottle the bar code is to be found, so that creates a challenge. That's partly why the ID Mate is so
RE: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor
Because apps like Safari decide how much information that they can show at once based on the current display resolution. The Mac determines the available screen resolutions by determining the type of monitor that is connected. When no monitor is connected, no screen resolution is defined, and so any program that depends on screen resolution will go wacko, as it thinks you have a screen with size 0. Can't fit a lot of information on a screen with size 0. Most programmers never test for that situation, because they can't test without some sort of monitor connected. Apple could fix Safari, but that's just one program among many that will go bonkers with a size 0 screen. On Windows, there is a way to tell it to ignore what it thinks is possible for the monitor, and to just use a specific screen resolution. The Mac doesn't have any way to bypass its sanity checking in that regard, at least as far as I've been able to discover. Maybe there is some way to hack it in from the terminal. I have a built-in screen on my MBP, and a monitor for my Mac Pro, so i'm personally satisfied. Maybe someone that's motivated could poke around and see if they can find a hack to manually force the mac to use a specific screen resolution. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 5:30 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor Why is it sluggish without a monitor? That does not make sense. Why should someone blind be forced into paying for a monitor they can't see and running up extra electricity costs. Tell apple they need to think more about their green policies! I would love to know what accessibility at apple think of that one. On 27 Jun 2010, at 22:21, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, I've never used a monitor with my Mack mini. Even with setup, I didn't use a mouse, but it was kind of tough, without the mouse plus, I didn't really know much about the Mack. But other than that, my Mack Mini works fine without the monitor, kind of sluggish with Safari though. Hth, Courtney On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Cody Hurst wrote: Im not so sure that a monitor is required, although it might be for the initial setup. I can say for sure a keyboard and mouse are required for the setup. I think when I had my mini back in 08 that it was required but I'm unsure On Jun 27, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, all. I find myself in some difficulty. I have available to me one of the new Mac Minis. However, I do not have a monitor at all times. Before I obtain the unit, I should like to know whether it would be possible to use it without a monitor. If so, are any settings required? If not, when is the check for the monitor done? Is it just at boot up, or is it done periodically throughout the use of the system? Thanks in advance. Aman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Windows on the mac question
Yep. I use this, too. In Windows under VMWare, I remap the Windows insert key to be my right command key. That way, I can hold down right-command with my thumb to trigger Jaws keyboard shortcuts. I also swapped the left-command and left-option keys, so that the Windows and alt keys are in the normal position. Finally, I altered the reight-option key to be the Windows context key. Sharp Keys is just as useful to reorganize your keyboard in BootCamp. It works by editing the Windows keybaord map in the registry, so it works absolutely everywhere in Windows. You don't need to leave it running as a task tray app or anything like that. Just Google for it. It's popular, and is near the top of the list. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marshall Scott Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:57 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Windows on the mac question Hi, I' used SharpKeys to remap the tilde key to the Insert key as well as reassigning a few other keys. This works fine and is much easier than changing the keymapping. Marshall On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Thanks Kevin. Keep me posted and may be write off list so as not to clutter everyone's boxes as others may be not interested. I'd need some detailed instructions in case I had to do anything. On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote: I found some data on remapping keys on the mac keyboard. Its a bit of a unix challenge and I am still working through the challenges of doing it. Based on my research. the Mac help key is the insert key on the standard keyboard. For macbooks and the keyboards minus a number pad, this key isn't available. I can't make any promises but I'll try and map an existing key to this key and script it. I haven't done any real unix scripting for 10 years or so and therefore, I'm real rusty at it. In the meantime, if someone comes up with something else, that'd be great. I remember the classic laptop keyboard configurations being an option in earlier versions of jaws but that doesn't seem to be available anymore. Kev On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi Kev. Glad you have bought this subject up. I'm having the same problem. Some time ago, Mark Taylor wrote a message asking people to tell him how others got a jaws cursor. I'm having the same difficulty and need a jaws cursor. So if anyone can kindly tell us how they get around this problem, I'd be so grateful. I desperately need a jaws cursor. Sharp keys will not help me. Kawal. On Jun 26, 2010, at 8:25 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote: I'm running vmware fusion on my mac with windows 7. I'm having an issue getting jaws to recognize the caps lock key as the jaws key. When I try and use it in windows, it continues to recognize it as the caps lock key. Anyone have any ideas for resolution? Thanks, Kev -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/Text): +447905618396 +447576240421 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/Text): +447905618396 +447576240421 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email
RE: some IOS4 questions
They probably fixed the sampling rate issue. The Vocalizer voices normally play at a low sampling rate. For some reason, that caused the system and VoiceOver audio cues to play at that sample rate, also. You can easily check this out without iOS 4. Lock the phone or iPad. Turn off VoiceOver. Wait about 10 seconds, until the speaker has stopped hissing, and the audio device has reset. Now, unlock the phone. The unlock sound will have much more high frequency sound than before. That's because it is playing at its normal, higher, sampling rate. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:45 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: some IOS4 questions I would say the sound may not be louder but as I said in the podcast it's crisper and the phone sounds like the lock unlock and mail are the volume that they should be On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Chris Moore wrote: Hi Donna, I can verify the advice given below, you do not need to reset the screen. Also I have not noticed the volume being softer. Which voice voiceover language you use? I use the Australian one as the British one sounds like she has a pillow over her face and a plum in her mouth, I mean its an iPod not and iPord! One thing I do hate about the speaker being on the bottom of the iphone with no grill is that it is so easy to cover it up with your hand whilst typing which results in blocking the sound. Is the sound louder on the iPhone 4 anyone? I am a deep sleeper so the iPhone 3GS does not wake me, my Nokia N96 was nice and loud though. Not sure if this is just me, but has anyone noticed that the battery seems to be better on standby than it was before? On 28 Jun 2010, at 03:21, Ricardo Walker wrote: Chris Lol, No No No. The reseting of your home screen to get rid of folders you made is completely unnecessary. First if you aren't already in the folder you created double tap on it. Then find the app you want to remove from the folder and double tap and hold like your going to move the app. Then while your fingers still down, do a flick up, like when your moving the cursor in an edit field. Do this until you empty the folder and the folder will delete itself. hth On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hmm, interesting. It worked. The utilities folder is kind of weird, though, I wonder why it does that. Thanks for the tip. Best, Donna On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: to answer your first 2 questions, reset yoru home screen lay out. go to settings, general, reset and reset homescreen layout. You will notice after you do this there is a utilities folder. that conains all of yoru clock and stuff there. Good luck. s On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Well, after installing IOS4 this afternoon, I've been playing around a bit, and already managed to get myself in a pickle. :) I hadn't gotten around to learning about folders yet, but somehow I made one, and stuck a couple of my apps in it. Can anyone tell me: 1. How do I remove my apps from the folder? and 2. How can I delete the folder? and my last question, have any of you who have upgraded noticed that the volume is considerably softer? Not too crazy about that change, personally. Thanks in advance, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are
RE: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor
This doesn't exactly involve the video driver. The driver for your video card is fine. It just can't find an attached monitor, so can't report to OS X what display resolutions are available on it. I don't think that a dummy driver is likely. On the Mac, you don't select video drivers. If your card is supported, the OS uses it, if not, well it doesn't. The driver for the card detects the monitor. I don't even know how Apple would go about allowing you to select some custom driver. They go out of their way to prevent people from having to select and/or manage drivers. So, making any change like that wouldn't be a simple fix. They'd have to add some new screens and options to the Display preferences, probably, and that can't be undertaken without a lot of departments becoming involved. Since the problem only affects a very few users, and those users have a very inexpensive solution (plug in a monitor), I don't think that they'll spend money and time on changing it. Really, you people that want a portable, need a MacBook. They're around $1,000, which is what you'd pay after upgrading a Mini, anyway. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Frank Carmickle Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:45 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor Hello Bryan On Jun 28, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: Because apps like Safari decide how much information that they can show at once based on the current display resolution. The Mac determines the available screen resolutions by determining the type of monitor that is connected. When no monitor is connected, no screen resolution is defined, and so any program that depends on screen resolution will go wacko, as it thinks you have a screen with size 0. Can't fit a lot of information on a screen with size 0. Most programmers never test for that situation, because they can't test without some sort of monitor connected. Apple could fix Safari, but that's just one program among many that will go bonkers with a size 0 screen. You are absolutely correct. I thought that Apple could just implement a dummy video driver that one could set their own parameters. Do you see any reason why this wouldn't work? --FC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor
For a dongle, you'd need to have something custom-made, as there isn't anything right now that I know of. Besides that, you'd need the mini displayport to VGA adaptor from Apple. By the time you got through buying those, you could have purchased a small LCD monitor for the same price. If the point is to be compact, and not to save money, then you can buy a basic MacBook for about the same money. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Aman Singer Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:08 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor Thank you, Brian, this is sensible and I appreciate it. If I may ask, do you know if the checks are made at launch and then not made again, or are they made periodically? Secondly, we have heard that even an unplugged monitor will do. Is this so with the newer machines, since I assume there needs to be a response to the resolution check? That is, does one need a monitor with power, or can one simply not power it on? Finally, do you know of a dongle that would allow a cheap VGA monitor to be hooked up or, alternatively, an adapter that would simply respond properly to the checks you mention are going on? Thanks. Aman -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Smart Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 5:45 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor Because apps like Safari decide how much information that they can show at once based on the current display resolution. The Mac determines the available screen resolutions by determining the type of monitor that is connected. When no monitor is connected, no screen resolution is defined, and so any program that depends on screen resolution will go wacko, as it thinks you have a screen with size 0. Can't fit a lot of information on a screen with size 0. Most programmers never test for that situation, because they can't test without some sort of monitor connected. Apple could fix Safari, but that's just one program among many that will go bonkers with a size 0 screen. On Windows, there is a way to tell it to ignore what it thinks is possible for the monitor, and to just use a specific screen resolution. The Mac doesn't have any way to bypass its sanity checking in that regard, at least as far as I've been able to discover. Maybe there is some way to hack it in from the terminal. I have a built-in screen on my MBP, and a monitor for my Mac Pro, so i'm personally satisfied. Maybe someone that's motivated could poke around and see if they can find a hack to manually force the mac to use a specific screen resolution. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 5:30 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor Why is it sluggish without a monitor? That does not make sense. Why should someone blind be forced into paying for a monitor they can't see and running up extra electricity costs. Tell apple they need to think more about their green policies! I would love to know what accessibility at apple think of that one. On 27 Jun 2010, at 22:21, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, I've never used a monitor with my Mack mini. Even with setup, I didn't use a mouse, but it was kind of tough, without the mouse plus, I didn't really know much about the Mack. But other than that, my Mack Mini works fine without the monitor, kind of sluggish with Safari though. Hth, Courtney On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Cody Hurst wrote: Im not so sure that a monitor is required, although it might be for the initial setup. I can say for sure a keyboard and mouse are required for the setup. I think when I had my mini back in 08 that it was required but I'm unsure On Jun 27, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi, all. I find myself in some difficulty. I have available to me one of the new Mac Minis. However, I do not have a monitor at all times. Before I obtain the unit, I should like to know whether it would be possible to use it without a monitor. If so, are any settings required? If not, when is the check for the monitor done? Is it just at boot up, or is it done periodically throughout the use of the system? Thanks in advance. Aman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post
RE: Windows on the mac question
This is very simple. When you run the program, it has a list of keys that you've mapped, which will start off empty. You press the add button. A screen comes up with a listbox for the source key, and another for the key to remap it to. You make your selections and press OK. When you've mapped all of the keys that you want, you press the write to registry button. Very simple. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 6:14 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Windows on the mac question Hi Brian. Could you give me instructions off list how to remap keys as you know by now I wish to have a jaws cursor. I am using Fusion but it doesn't matter where I put an insert key there is no jaws cursor. May be you might share it I don't know as another user is trying to do the same as me. Kawal. On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 05:55 -0400, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Yep. I use this, too. In Windows under VMWare, I remap the Windows insert key to be my right command key. That way, I can hold down right-command with my thumb to trigger Jaws keyboard shortcuts. I also swapped the left-command and left-option keys, so that the Windows and alt keys are in the normal position. Finally, I altered the reight-option key to be the Windows context key. Sharp Keys is just as useful to reorganize your keyboard in BootCamp. It works by editing the Windows keybaord map in the registry, so it works absolutely everywhere in Windows. You don't need to leave it running as a task tray app or anything like that. Just Google for it. It's popular, and is near the top of the list. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marshall Scott Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:57 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Windows on the mac question Hi, I' used SharpKeys to remap the tilde key to the Insert key as well as reassigning a few other keys. This works fine and is much easier than changing the keymapping. Marshall On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Thanks Kevin. Keep me posted and may be write off list so as not to clutter everyone's boxes as others may be not interested. I'd need some detailed instructions in case I had to do anything. On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote: I found some data on remapping keys on the mac keyboard. Its a bit of a unix challenge and I am still working through the challenges of doing it. Based on my research. the Mac help key is the insert key on the standard keyboard. For macbooks and the keyboards minus a number pad, this key isn't available. I can't make any promises but I'll try and map an existing key to this key and script it. I haven't done any real unix scripting for 10 years or so and therefore, I'm real rusty at it. In the meantime, if someone comes up with something else, that'd be great. I remember the classic laptop keyboard configurations being an option in earlier versions of jaws but that doesn't seem to be available anymore. Kev On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi Kev. Glad you have bought this subject up. I'm having the same problem. Some time ago, Mark Taylor wrote a message asking people to tell him how others got a jaws cursor. I'm having the same difficulty and need a jaws cursor. So if anyone can kindly tell us how they get around this problem, I'd be so grateful. I desperately need a jaws cursor. Sharp keys will not help me. Kawal. On Jun 26, 2010, at 8:25 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote: I'm running vmware fusion on my mac with windows 7. I'm having an issue getting jaws to recognize the caps lock key as the jaws key. When I try and use it in windows, it continues to recognize it as the caps lock key. Anyone have any ideas for resolution? Thanks, Kev -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/Text): +447905618396 +447576240421 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http
RE: Answering a few questions about Daisy Bookworm for iPhone
The Stream has a sleep timer, controlled with one oval shaped button. Each time you press it, it adds 15 minutes to the sleep timer, up to a max of one hour. When the sleep timer runs down to 0, the Stream shuts off and saves your place in the book. That way, you can listen to a book as you go to sleep, but not wake up to find that you're now all the way at the end of the book, and be forced to find your place again. When I go to sleep, I might set the sleep timer for 30 minutes. Since the sleep timer is controlled by one button that is easy to identify with touch, if I lay in bed for a while, but am not dropping off to sleep right away, I can reach over and tap the button to throw another 15 minutes on the sleep timer without really having to wake up all of the way. Most of the other book readers have sleep timers, as a feature, but get the implementation wrong. I remember looking at the BookSense at a trade show. The rep was showing me all of the advanced features (Bluetooth headset support, FM radio, etc). The drawback is that you work it all with a tiny set of buttons and lots of menus. I asked him about the sleep timer. He started telling me how you could go in to the menus, navigate to a sub menu, find the sleep timer settings, and select the time. I thought that, by the time that I do all of that to add another 15 minutes, I'd be awake again. Products aren't just features. Think of how many people rarely used the timed record features on VCRs back in the day because a bunch of buttons and a small one-line LCD made the process to cryptic? Or how backup software for a computer has been around for a long time, but it took Time Machine to make it so simple that you didn't need to learn how to do it. For a laugh, compare the size of the iPhone manual against manuals of other smartphones. They're is less to explain about the iPhone, because more of it works as you'd expect. The reason that products have manuals in the first place is to explain the parts that you won't naturally understand. In many cases, it's true that, the larger the manual, the larger your design failure. Technology that many people will use on a daily basis shouldn't ever require a manual or a course in order to comprehend. If it does, you should have designed it to operate differently. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 5:43 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Answering a few questions about Daisy Bookworm for iPhone Sleep button for audiobooks? What does this do? On Jun 28, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: Bryan, owning a VRS and a Book SEnse, I adamantly concur. Yeah, I know it's gadget overload, but I'll never need to buy a car with said payments being more than the price of one of these gadgets every month. I suppose that's how I justify the expense. LOL! I have put audiobooks on my iPod Touch, but I still enjoy listening to them on the Stream or Book Sense more. Like you, I can also operate these gadgets flawlessly while half asleep. As a matter of fact, I don't believe there is a designated sleep button on the iPod Touch or the iPhone for use while listening to books which, for me, is a necessity. Choice is the key here though. Different strokes for different folks! n Jun 27, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: Well, a Windows user might say that they can purchase a computer, far more powerful than your Mac, and for less money, so why waste money on a Mac? Or many people wonder why people bother buying iPhones, when the new Android phones far outclass the iPhone in terms of specs and open operation? Cost isn't always the point, though. I don't want to sound like I'm down on them making this program. I might buy it. Actually, I wonder why I'm arguing this on a listserv, anyway. I know that many blind tech people are rightly down on some of the over-priced specialized blindness gadgets. But, seriously, this isn't a $5,000 note taker. Most of the book readers aren't much more than $300. That is damn cheap for a device that is optimized to be controlled with buttons and speech feedback, rather than using touch-screen gestures to review and control a visually-optimized interface. You're waiting for NLS support, which they may never provide. Meanwhile, the Stream works with NLS, RFBD, newsline, practically all other major talking book libraries in the world, DVS movies from places like SamNet, plays Daisy audio books in both MP3 and 3GP audio formats (which this probably won't ever play, so probably no NLS support), plays commercial audio books (including Audible), plays books that you rip from CD yourself as books with all book features (bookmarks, notes, highlighting, etc) still in effect (not just loading MP3s in to a media player), reads Daisy books in text
RE: iphone4 podcast now up
Hi Cody. . I enjoyed your podcast. Good job on it. One bit that I'm not clear about with iOS 4 and folders, though, is how the dragging behavior to create folders affects the way that VO users rearrange apps on a single screen. For example, , before iOS 4, you would tap and hold on the app to move, drag to a new position, and release your finger. your app would drop in to that position, and the other apps would be pushed over to make room. If you did that now, though, you'd create a folder that contained both the app that you were dragging, and the app that was located at the point where you released your finger. So, how do you move apps now without creating folders? Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 9:53 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: iphone4 podcast now up Hi list, My iPhone 4 review is now up on my site and soon to be on bct. I talk about the design of the phone, and go over some voiceover features. I recorded and edited this in amadeus so thanks for all the tips given to me. Note, yes, high voice but I'm not a woman/I will slap you if you call me a woman Enjoy! http://www.hurstaudioproductions.com/audio/iphone4review.mp3 Cody -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Running Windows
Yep. VMWare Fusion is the only virtual machine software that works. Parallels and Virtual Box aren't accessible at all. Fusion costs about $80, unless they're running one of their frequent specials. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 10:48 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Running Windows from what I have heard and read, fusion is much more friendly. hth Cody On Jun 26, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Chris Moore wrote: I recently bought parallels desktop 5 with the view to run a demo version of JAWS. I already have Windows XP installed via BootCamp. Anyway I got parallels up and running 9with sighted assistance). I am finding it is not very VoiceOver friendly. Even the preferences window can't even be used with VoiceOver (well you can select tabs) I noticed there were tabs for speech and iPhone, not sure what they do though. My question is this, have I bought the wrong product? Should I have bought Fusion? Is Fusion more VoiceOver friendly? cHRIS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: saytext: new OCR app for IPhone
With Digit-Eyes, how do you find the bar code? When I was involved with the development of an accessible bar code system a few years back, cameras didn't do a good job. For the bar code recognition to work, the camera couldn't face the bar code at an angle, at it had to be right-side-up. Of course, a blind person doesn't necessarily know where on the box, can, or bottle the bar code is to be found, so that creates a challenge. That's partly why the ID Mate is so expensive. They must use a 3D laser scanner, like is used in the check-out line at a grocery store. Those perform an active scan, and can register bar codes at any angle, and even on curved surfaces. You can basically hold up the scanner and turn the container in front of the camera, and it will automatically scan the bar code as soon as it's visible, regardless of the bar code's orientation. My thoughts were that the iPhone app would be like trying to read a bar code with a CCD scanner. Yes, it would work but only if you knew where to find the bar code, which way was right-side-up, and only if the bar code was on a flat surface. Is it better than that? Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allison Manzino Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 10:03 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: saytext: new OCR app for IPhone Hi Bryan and all, I can say with certainty that the camera on the 3GS works well for the new bar code reader that Josh Lioncourt was talking about the other day Digit-Eyes. I have downloaded it and it works well. Not having any experience with the Iphone 4, I can't say about the cameras. I know it has two according to Cara Quin's podcast. Have a great day. Allison On Jun 26, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Bryan, From what I have heard, the 3GS camera will do the job even if it is not as good as the new iPhone 4. I will be very interested in how this application performs despite the limitations of the 3GS. On Jun 26, 2010, at 2:52 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: The iPhone 4 should do a great job with this app. The 5 megapixel camera provides the level of resolution that assisted KNFB Reader so much. With the lower quality cameras, the DPI of scanned images is too low. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:30 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: saytext: new OCR app for IPhone No, The iPod touch doesn't have a camera. On Jun 25, 2010, at 11:26 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, Will this work with the Ipod Touch also? Courtney On Jun 25, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't think it's out yet. I couldn't find it in the app store. hth On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:15 PM, John J Herzog wrote: Hi all, I just got this link from a friend of mine. Apparently, this app is free, and it performs OCR using the new IPhone. It's different from the one that emails your image to a server and then gives you back text. This one actually performs OCR on the phone. Furthermore, it automatically takes pictures once the camera is aligned with the center of the document. Check out this link for more information. http://www.docscannerapp.com/saytext/ Can someone let me know how it works? John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
RE: VoiceOver 4.0
1. I agree, scripts are great, and can help speed up many tasks. However, as it is right now, they aren't easy to share. That's a large reason why there aren't more people using them. When I made a move file script for VO, which I could explain how to operate in a single paragraph, I had to spend several more paragraphs trying to explain where the file should be placed, how to move it there, how to enable the keyboard commander, and how to assign the script to a shortcut key. Something is messed up with this process. Not exactly sure what the solution should be, but this needs work. Perhaps some sort of import VO script assistant? 2. busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, makes me angry, angry, angry, angry, angry! If an app is busy, and VO needs to tell me that, I appreciate it. However, I don't need to be reminded at such a rapid rate. How about spacing these messages further apart. How about playing a soft looping audio cue while an app is busy, so that we know, when we hear that sound, the app is still too involved to respond to user input. 3. Hot spots are great, but it would be good if we could have hot spots that were app-specific. For example, I could set a hot spot to the first item in a toolbar in Mail, or to the song name in the LCD area of iTunes. When I later returned to those programs, my hot spots would still be set. 4. VO needs to do a better job at shutting up speech when the user starts typing. VO commands interrupt speech just fine, but, frequently, I'll press an arrow key in a Finder window, and VO will keep on talking. 5. Why is it that, if VO sounds are enabled, the speech often waits until a sound has finished playing before speaking? This doesn't happen on the iPhone. The result is that VO users must decide between the benefits of the audio cues, or the increased responsiveness gained by turning them off. A compromise shouldn't be necessary. The cue and the speech can play at the same time, like what happens on the iPhone. This isn't VoiceOver specifically, but many of us are still waiting for some accessible way to select material for editing in GarageBand, as well as resolutions for the accessibility problems in Logic. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:57 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: VoiceOver 4.0 Well guys now the iPhone 4.0 is out of he way, I think the next thing we should start looking forward to is the next Mac OS. 10.7 (lion maybe?). so I was wondering what features/ improvements you would like implemented into VoiceOver 4.0 and hopefully Apple are listening. i will get the ball rolling ... 1. Intelligent number reading. if voiceover encounters numbers then it can only be set to read them as words or numbers. It would be neat if VoiceOver knew when it was more appropriate to say the numbers as digits or words. For example if the word year appeared after 26 (digits) voiceover knew in this instance to read two six as twenty six years. Another example would be a phone number, if the word tel: or mobile: etc appears before numbers beginning with either + or 0 then to read this out as digits and not some huge number containing millions and thousands. The same could be said for time and measurements etc. 2. In mail it would be more useful if voiceover did not read blank blank on every line on the message viewer if there was nothing in that cell. yes I know you can turn buddies off and move columns around etc to get around this, but really voiceover should only read out what is relevant unless the user wishes to interact with the item in more detail. I think it would also be useful to know if the email has an attachment before opening it. 3. An additional voice. Alex is wonderful and plays great fast and slow, the other voices that come with the mac have been there since the year dot and probably sounded impressive in the 80s or 90s but now I wonder why they are still there. I would like to see an additional voice added to complement Alex, maybe a female voice. This would be useful for reading events as some of us have to purchase an additional voice for this task. 4. Portable document image , when using adium or the weather widget I get infuriated when I hear the graphic image read out as portable document image. Why can't voiceover simply say oh its a picture of the sun or a cloud or its a smiley or sad face etc. 5. The ability to change the speech rate etc within iChat for when you have events set up so new messages or buddies online are read out., as currently the default is very slow and there is no way to speed them up. 6. The ability to remember hotspots and web hot spots (by website basis) after turning the mac off would be very useful. Landmarks has been added to the iPhone, perhaps this could be added to the
RE: Answering a few questions about Daisy Bookworm for iPhone
Maybe it's how you read books. I read the most when I'm traveling. A book is a great way to pass the time on a plane, in a terminal, or on a bus. I like the entertainment of a book, but would not want to risk draining down my phone, which I'd certainly need during, and more importantly toward the end, of my trip. Some days I spend 8 to 10 hours traveling. Even with a battery pack I seriously doubt that an iPhone could read books for that long, and still have enough charge left for important calls, GPS, and e-mail. If you only occasionally read books, and for short periods of time, the app would probably work out great. I read a lot! While traveling, while doing laundry, sometimes when eating, when going to sleep, etc. I'd kill an iPhone battery. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 2:59 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Answering a few questions about Daisy Bookworm for iPhone Hi, I personally would find that of little concern. It would just be 1 less thing to carry and 1 less thing to spend money on. Those things out way a 15 hour battery life in my opinion. It's kind of silly to compare. The iPhone does more so should have lower battery time. And the IOS 4 update has fixed the standby bug so many people are having more than double the battery life than they had pre update. On Jun 25, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: Well, nice as it is, a Victor stream will play for 15 hours or more on a single charge. How long do you think that your iPhone will play? Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:40 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: macvoiceover Subject: Re: Answering a few questions about Daisy Bookworm for iPhone Sounds great and at such a low price too (don't think I will be buying a victor stream now). tHIS ftp thing, is there no way you could add support for iDisk for those of us who have it? That might be much easier then establishing a FTP connection. Seems like this year might be the start of many good accessible apps for the iPhone Is there anything on the iPhone that reads MS Word documents via VoiceOver? On 24 Jun 2010, at 09:38, Greg Kearney wrote: I'll try and answer a few questions that have come up about Daisy Bookworm for iPhone Loading Books Loading books is done via an FTP connection between your computer and the iPhone Daisy Bookworm has a built in FTP server which you connect to and then upload the book's directory to the phone using any FTP client on any computer. Needless to say you need a wireless network to connect the phone to. You do not need your own FTP server, Daisy Bookworm has a built in FTP server. Book compatibility Daisy Bookworm for iPhone will read any audio only and full text full audio unencrypted DAISY book. This includes books from Association for the Blind of Western Australia, Vision Australia, RNZFB, CNIB, RNIB, TPB and most other world talking book libraries. It will not read NLS encrypted books. We have asked the NLS about how to have these devices authorised but have yet to receive any reply. We are working on RFBD playback and text only DAISY playback (Bookshare) in the next release. Accessibility Daisy Bookworm for iPhone is fully accessible with VoiceOver screen reader. iPad Daisy Bookworm is compatible with the Apple iPad. Where do you get Daisy Bookworm Daisy Bookworm will be available this summer from the iTunes App Store. It will cost less than $5 when released. Is this Voice of Daisy No. Voice of Daisy or VOD is a different program from a different developer in Japan. Hope this clears things up. Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100 Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America) Email: greg.kear...@guidedogswa.com.au Email: gkear...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en
RE: cubase accsessability?
Please join our Google Group/list and ask questions. http://www.googlegroups.com/group/ptaccess Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Huckabay Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 4:59 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: cubase accsessability? Wow verry cool sounding. It will be intersting to see how much of pro tools is excessible. You wouldn't know where I could atane information on the excessibility of pro tools at all? Just kerius thanks. On 2010-06-25, at 3:53 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: One of my contacts at Avid told me today that LE M-Powered versions are currently delayed because of driver issues. There's no official word about exactly when they'll be released. I'll have more information after the weekend. Slau -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: saytext: new OCR app for IPhone
The iPhone 4 should do a great job with this app. The 5 megapixel camera provides the level of resolution that assisted KNFB Reader so much. With the lower quality cameras, the DPI of scanned images is too low. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:30 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: saytext: new OCR app for IPhone No, The iPod touch doesn't have a camera. On Jun 25, 2010, at 11:26 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, Will this work with the Ipod Touch also? Courtney On Jun 25, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't think it's out yet. I couldn't find it in the app store. hth On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:15 PM, John J Herzog wrote: Hi all, I just got this link from a friend of mine. Apparently, this app is free, and it performs OCR using the new IPhone. It's different from the one that emails your image to a server and then gives you back text. This one actually performs OCR on the phone. Furthermore, it automatically takes pictures once the camera is aligned with the center of the document. Check out this link for more information. http://www.docscannerapp.com/saytext/ Can someone let me know how it works? John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Answering a few questions about Daisy Bookworm for iPhone
: Answering a few questions about Daisy Bookworm for iPhone Personally I would not spend the money on a Victor Stream or any other product, if I can get an app for the iPhone. I still have hope that something may be done to play NLS content for example on the iPhone and it is still a possibility. The point is I could purchase the best possible battery pack and still spend less money then if I purchased one of the accessible book reading devices. Sure you would not one to drain your communications device down since having it always ready to communicate is important, but there are always at least two solutions to every problem. On Jun 26, 2010, at 3:39 AM, Chris Moore wrote: What reader do you have? Well this may be a good app for the iPod Touch which still works out cheaper then the Victor Stream. On 26 Jun 2010, at 07:47, Bryan Smart wrote: Maybe it's how you read books. I read the most when I'm traveling. A book is a great way to pass the time on a plane, in a terminal, or on a bus. I like the entertainment of a book, but would not want to risk draining down my phone, which I'd certainly need during, and more importantly toward the end, of my trip. Some days I spend 8 to 10 hours traveling. Even with a battery pack I seriously doubt that an iPhone could read books for that long, and still have enough charge left for important calls, GPS, and e-mail. If you only occasionally read books, and for short periods of time, the app would probably work out great. I read a lot! While traveling, while doing laundry, sometimes when eating, when going to sleep, etc. I'd kill an iPhone battery. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 2:59 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Answering a few questions about Daisy Bookworm for iPhone Hi, I personally would find that of little concern. It would just be 1 less thing to carry and 1 less thing to spend money on. Those things out way a 15 hour battery life in my opinion. It's kind of silly to compare. The iPhone does more so should have lower battery time. And the IOS 4 update has fixed the standby bug so many people are having more than double the battery life than they had pre update. On Jun 25, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: Well, nice as it is, a Victor stream will play for 15 hours or more on a single charge. How long do you think that your iPhone will play? Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:40 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: macvoiceover Subject: Re: Answering a few questions about Daisy Bookworm for iPhone Sounds great and at such a low price too (don't think I will be buying a victor stream now). tHIS ftp thing, is there no way you could add support for iDisk for those of us who have it? That might be much easier then establishing a FTP connection. Seems like this year might be the start of many good accessible apps for the iPhone Is there anything on the iPhone that reads MS Word documents via VoiceOver? On 24 Jun 2010, at 09:38, Greg Kearney wrote: I'll try and answer a few questions that have come up about Daisy Bookworm for iPhone Loading Books Loading books is done via an FTP connection between your computer and the iPhone Daisy Bookworm has a built in FTP server which you connect to and then upload the book's directory to the phone using any FTP client on any computer. Needless to say you need a wireless network to connect the phone to. You do not need your own FTP server, Daisy Bookworm has a built in FTP server. Book compatibility Daisy Bookworm for iPhone will read any audio only and full text full audio unencrypted DAISY book. This includes books from Association for the Blind of Western Australia, Vision Australia, RNZFB, CNIB, RNIB, TPB and most other world talking book libraries. It will not read NLS encrypted books. We have asked the NLS about how to have these devices authorised but have yet to receive any reply. We are working on RFBD playback and text only DAISY playback (Bookshare) in the next release. Accessibility Daisy Bookworm for iPhone is fully accessible with VoiceOver screen reader. iPad Daisy Bookworm is compatible with the Apple iPad. Where do you get Daisy Bookworm Daisy Bookworm will be available this summer from the iTunes App Store. It will cost less than $5 when released. Is this Voice of Daisy No. Voice of Daisy or VOD is a different program from a different developer in Japan. Hope this clears things up. Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA
RE: Answering a few questions about Daisy Bookworm for iPhone
Well, nice as it is, a Victor stream will play for 15 hours or more on a single charge. How long do you think that your iPhone will play? Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:40 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: macvoiceover Subject: Re: Answering a few questions about Daisy Bookworm for iPhone Sounds great and at such a low price too (don't think I will be buying a victor stream now). tHIS ftp thing, is there no way you could add support for iDisk for those of us who have it? That might be much easier then establishing a FTP connection. Seems like this year might be the start of many good accessible apps for the iPhone Is there anything on the iPhone that reads MS Word documents via VoiceOver? On 24 Jun 2010, at 09:38, Greg Kearney wrote: I'll try and answer a few questions that have come up about Daisy Bookworm for iPhone Loading Books Loading books is done via an FTP connection between your computer and the iPhone Daisy Bookworm has a built in FTP server which you connect to and then upload the book's directory to the phone using any FTP client on any computer. Needless to say you need a wireless network to connect the phone to. You do not need your own FTP server, Daisy Bookworm has a built in FTP server. Book compatibility Daisy Bookworm for iPhone will read any audio only and full text full audio unencrypted DAISY book. This includes books from Association for the Blind of Western Australia, Vision Australia, RNZFB, CNIB, RNIB, TPB and most other world talking book libraries. It will not read NLS encrypted books. We have asked the NLS about how to have these devices authorised but have yet to receive any reply. We are working on RFBD playback and text only DAISY playback (Bookshare) in the next release. Accessibility Daisy Bookworm for iPhone is fully accessible with VoiceOver screen reader. iPad Daisy Bookworm is compatible with the Apple iPad. Where do you get Daisy Bookworm Daisy Bookworm will be available this summer from the iTunes App Store. It will cost less than $5 when released. Is this Voice of Daisy No. Voice of Daisy or VOD is a different program from a different developer in Japan. Hope this clears things up. Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100 Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America) Email: greg.kear...@guidedogswa.com.au Email: gkear...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: cubase accsessability?
Ableton is not. On the Mac, the only high end DAW that is accessible is Pro Tools, and PT doesn't have a pattern sequencer. Actually, I don't know of any accessible DAW with a pattern sequencer. Like you, I'd like to have this. I used pattern sequencing a lot on my Yamaha Motif keyboard workstations. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 3:22 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: cubase accsessability? Not used Cubase for years, Sonar is a very good accessible audio app on Windows. Until losing my sight earlier this year, I used Logic Studio 9 and now its just sitting there collecting dust. I loved that software, really hope Apple make it accessible in a future update. I have been looking for a accessible pattern based sequencer such as Fruity Loops for Windows but sadly there are no plans to bring that to the Mac as it is written in Delphi. I thought renoise might be the answer as I used to use OctaMED on the Amiga years ago and it is a tracker program like that, but apparently that is not accessible either. I think pattern based recording software is perfect for creating dance music. Does anyone know if Ableton Live is accessible for the mac? On 25 Jun 2010, at 02:20, Cody Hurst wrote: It is a DAW digital audio workstation like pro tools or amadeus pro... it is primarily used on the windows side and I know my guitar teacher has used it. it is not accessible on the windows side On Jun 24, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, This is kind of off-topic, but what is Cubase? Courtney On Jun 24, 2010, at 8:40 PM, trahern culver wrote: hey guys the other day i was talking to a worker at a uk music store who said he had surved a blind person who was using cubase a i 4 with mac os10 and voice over so my question to you is this how accsessable is cubase on the mac? any one use it? your help with query would be most welcom kind regards trahern. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: MacBook Pro battery
The display showing the time remaining in the battery is only an estimate, and is based off of the power that is being used at that instant. For example, you're reading a file, and your computer shows that you have an hour left. Now you start a sync of a lot of files with your iPhone, and the battery might show only 3 hours left. When the sync is finished, that time will jump back up to almost 6 hours again. If you'd like, you can change the battery meter so that it displays the percentage of the charge remaining in the battery, rather than attempting to estimate how long that charge will last. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:00 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: MacBook Pro battery The battery issue when you first turn it on it says calculating, and it depends on many thingsmainly if the screen is off and if you aren't using bluetooth then turn blue tooth off by pressing VO m twice and arrowing right to the bluetooth menu. sometimes it just takes some time for the battery to kick in. I got my new macbook pro last night and this morning it read 15 hours. On Jun 25, 2010, at 8:33 AM, James Gallagher wrote: Hello all. Just got My MacBook pro over 24 hours ago and I am over the moon with it. For a Deafblind person I really think it Great.. May I ask a question Please about the battery. Last night i had the Macbook pro on the mains to charge it. after the charge it read that it had 10 hours and 13mins on the battery But this morning when I put it on it read that it had only 5 hours on it. The MacBook Pro was off. Is this just the new Macbook running it self in. I am still trying to get used to the Multi-Touch trackpad and gestures, getting it all wrong. all the time but like you all this only comes with time. all the best to you all Yours James The highest result of education is tolerance. Hellen Keller -- James Gallagher A-Z to Deafblindness http://www.deafblind.com http://www.deafblind.com/ A Deafblindness Web Resource http://www.deafblind.co.uk http://www.deafblind.co.uk/ Learn more about Braille Chess at http://www.BrailleChess.com http://www.BrailleChess.net/ My Guide Dogs http://www.wilma.co.uk http://www.wilma.co.uk/ For the Sighted Hearing my WAP site is at http://tagtag.com/deafblind -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Economics and the Mac
Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market is because they have contracted with some state agencies and government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school for the blind in Alaska; therefore, if parents want to send their blind kids off to a residential school, they would have to send them Stateside, which costs the state thousands of dollars which they could probably find other revenues to use elsewhere.There are a handful of us who are blind and visually-impaired Macusers, but that numberis increasing, as the word about VoiceOver gets out. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:21 PM, carlene knight wrote: I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want. That's why I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA. For one thing I don't need it and secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed market. I'm not saying things could not change, but simply stating that you can't get JAWS or a Braille display from a home electronics ore software store, and I wouldn't expect to happen any time soon if ever. In their eyes, why should They bother as they won't sell enough of them to make it worth their while. There is a cell phone put out by Capital Accessibility in Europe. I've seen one and it's no big deal. The speech is great, but there is no camera, digital screen, or anything that might ad a bit of a price to the phone. It's built like a brick, but it is over $500 and though the speech is clear, it's very robotic. Tell me that's not ridiculous? I don't know that agencies are responsible for this one, but the phone is so tailored to our needs that somebody will buy it. Not me. Granted, if more people were learning braille and speech software as they were dealing with macular degeneration, and there was a big enough demand for it, things might come down a bit. That's great about the scanner. I'd better stop typing now as I am misspelling more things than I am typing correctly and am about to throw this keyboard, though it's not at fault. On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: With all due respect, that argument has been used time and time again. To that, I say this: the best example of a product that has gone down in price because of the acceptance of it by the sighted community, is the optical scanner, which was originally intended for use by the blind for scanning newspapers, magazines, and othr documents in their computers or reading machines. Back then, you had to pay thousands of dolars for the machine, and ys, state agencies bought it for us, if we were lucky. Now, one can buy a scanner and to a certain extent, software for scanning pictures, text, and other document forms into one's PC, at a fraction of the cost it was in the 1970's. The point here is that it found a marketable niche among the sighted community, and once they were mass-produced, prices started coming down and people could afford said scanners. While braille displays
RE: Economics and the Mac
That's great, but they are anomalies. I currently live in South Carolina. One of my income sources involves taking AT training contracts from school systems. I'm one of the few people around here that is setup to train on VoiceOver. The main reason for me being so unique in that regard is there are practically no clients, and so I'm the only one that bothers with it. Not one school system in South Carolina uses Macs. No school systems in Georgia use Macs. In North Carolina, a few Macs are present, at a few schools, for special labs/projects. I've been told recently that Florida, also, doesn't use any Macs, though I don't work there, so don't claim to know the purchasing decisions and politics. What the schools have, though, are thousands and thousands of Windows-based PCs, and over 90% of the ones that are adapted for a blind student use Jaws. I'm sure any number of people, particularly on a list like this, can pipe up and say well, I know of a school district around where I live that has or uses some Macs. Those are special cases, though. The country is huge, and places like that are rare when you realize how every place else is swimming in Windows PCs. A single school district can own thousands of them. When our blind services undertakes projects to train and place the general blind population in to jobs, it always involves call center or office work, and Macs are no where to be found. Our Commission for the Blind just recently bought their first Mac, ever, for someone that needed it for a home-based business. That means, of all the blind people that they've ever served, they've purchased thousands of Windows computers, but never a Mac, and, when a person got one, it was for something they were doing on their own, not mainstreamed. I was contacted because I was someone that knows something about Macs. Most of the AT and IT people there don't know anything about Macs, because they don't have to; they're neither needed, nor requested. Obviously, I like my Mac. Don't be fooled though. Just because some schools here or there might use them, their use in schools over-all is a drop in the bucket. There use in business is practically nonexistent. The blindness agencies are concerned with getting blind people employed and/or educated. Finding a Mac in either school or work is a rare event, so, Macs are irrelevant to them. That's why the NFB and the screen reader manufacturers didn't care that Apple worked on a screen reader. In there minds, Apple can make the best one in the world, and it won't matter, because all of the edutainment and business applications that are used by the mainstream world are on Windows, so blind people will need Windows for school and work, so Windows-based screen readers will be necessary. It isn't about which is better. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:41 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Economics and the Mac In regards to your academia comment, the public school system, my high school's library, as well as mobile labs many elementary schools around here, are Mac-based. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's
RE: Economics and the Mac
Yeh, and my schools in the 1980's and 90's had Apple IIs and Macs, also. I learned to program on an Apple IIe that I got to use at school. My first encounter with assistive tech was an Apple IIe with an Echo II, Braille-Edit, and a Cramner embosser. Since then, there has been the Internet revolution, the smartphone revolution, 7 major releases of the Mac OS (in different forms), at least 7 major releases of Windows, Linux, and so on. That has been a long time. Hey, if there were Macs around here, or in any state around here, I'd be all for it and eager to pick up the work. All the outreach divisions associated with agencies that serve the AT needs of disabled students have practically no demand for Mac services. They're tasked with providing equipment, training, and associated services to help a disabled student use the same computing resources as their sighted peers. So, if there are Macs, and the student has to use them, it is on the agencies to make it work. None of them bother to learn anything about the Mac, because there is no demand for it at work. When the odd ball situation comes up, they contract out the work, which is rare. I'm the only contractor they have that supports the Mac, and rarely do I get work from them for that reason. Usually, they contact me about technology issues related to assistive tech for music. I bet there are many school districts in California that use Macs. I suspect that there are other clusters of Mac use. I can tell you, though, in the south-eastern US, the school world is thousands and thousands of Windows-based PCs, adapted for the totally blind, when needed, with Jaws. I don't really like it, but that's how it is here. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:39 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Economics and the Mac Not totally sure on that minority claim. fro many many years, apple had the apple core program where they donated apple computers to schools around the country. I went to high school in Arkansas...a grand while ago, and the computers we had were apple computers. You might be surprised how many schools are so equip. Karen On Wed, 23 Jun 2010, Michael Thurman wrote: every school system that I have ever had any dealings with uses macintosh computers in at least some of their labs and teaching. On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't mean to be harsh but, your local school system is the minority. It really has no baring on Bryan's original comment. On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: In regards to your academia comment, the public school system, my high school's library, as well as mobile labs many elementary schools around here, are Mac-based. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: Microsoft tried to make a full screen reader over 10 years ago. Between the National Federation of the Blind, and the various screen reader companies, they were threatened with all sorts of vocally loud press for putting blind people out of work at the AT companies. MS decided that hot potato was more trouble than it was worth, and dropped the project. I guess Apple didn't get the same treatment since there was no screen reader company to put out of business, unless you count how Berkeley Systems got shafted, and most of the blindness orgs know that, while individuals might like Macs, business and academia will continue to insist on Windows machines for a long time to come. Macs are mostly irrelevant to them. Bryan On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at hand. If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the technical expertise throughout the company) to do so. And if it brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax dollars and marketshare is all about? In my humble opinion, for what it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market is because they have contracted with some state agencies and government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly. I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000 to $12,000 dollars at a time. In Alaska, for example, the biggest majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby boomers who are about to reach retirement age. We have no school
RE: Install iOS 4 today!
Hi. No, there are lots of other options for people on a budget. There are all sorts of phones from LG that have built-in speech for basic functions like phone book, call log, and text. You can get them on other carriers than ATT. You can even get low cost Windows smartphones on Verizon with MobileSpeak. Even if you get an iPhone, it isn't required that you use lots of mobile data. The Wi-Fi access is there for people on a budget, and the basic phone features don't require Internet access. Owning an iPhone, and also using it a lot over 3G, is totally an individual choice. The only thing that will annoy me is, if we pay more for Internet access, and the quality situation still doesn't improve. I think that it will improve a bit when many of the outrageously heavy network abusers get their first phone bill, and realize that they've streamed 20GB this month because of leaving Internet radio on all day every day. I think that will cause them to be a bit more picky about when they use the network. Some people will pay, no matter what ATT charges. Some people will cut back a bit. What I'm really looking forward to is having the abusers kicked off with big bills, so they'll stop monopolizing the network. I normally don't use that much 3G network when I'm out. I mainly just access e-mail, web sites, and data for apps like GPS. When I'm traveling, or on business trips, I'll use apps like Netflix or Pandora much more than usual. It isn't so bad to pay a bit more during those times to be able to get entertainment while I'm waiting in an airport terminal or such, or if I can't find a Wi-Fi signal for my laptop. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 8:32 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! if you want to pay more go for it and while youare at it help us pay for what used to be overpiced and ow is rediculous!yeah rich man most of us can NOT afford it especialy considering the i phone is the ONLY reasonable solution that is accessible. anything else costs twice the price for half the functionality On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the more I like it. Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of the network capacity is gone. Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more bandwidth for me. I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with ATT's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated
RE: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
Agreed. I think what I like most about the Mac is that I can run both at once. I like Mac for many tasks, but, honestly, Windows is better at several things. Doesn't matter. When using a Mac, I can run either. Of course, on a Windows machine, I could also run another OS like Linux, but, even as someone that's been to college for Computer Science, and worked professionally as a software engineer, I don't enjoy having to geek out on low level details on most tasks like is required with Linux. For me, anyway, the Mac OS is the most accessible Unix that I know of. It is what I wish Linux could have become. I can get low level if I want, but I don't have to. And, of course, VoiceOver is so much better than Orca, and Alex handily beats all of the speech engines for Linux. I kind of cheer Linux on in a way. This is probably a subject for another thread, but the reason that I think that OS X ended up so much better as a user friendly Unix instead of Linux, is that Linux makes it too easy for everyone to have their own way. Choice is a good thing, but the cost is that everyone has their own way, and trying to make all of those choices fit together/work together is a huge challenge. In some ways, I think that is a harder challenge than what Microsoft has to deal with by getting Windows to run on so many different types of computer components. I used to be for choice over all other considerations, but that peaked when I was a teenager, and was interested in computing for the sake of learning about computing. Now that I need computers for my business, I get real annoyed when I must research a computing problem in too much detail. I *can* figure it out, but I would rather spend my time working with the computer, instead of on it. Anything that saves me time and decreases complexity is worth the money that the person or company is asking. This is why I've switched to Apple stuff, even for situations where I don't use OS X. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 10:54 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this? Hi Olivia. I thought I'd reply to some of your message. The reason why I have windows on my Mac is: 1. I need to keep my windows mobile up-to-date (even though in due course I'll have the Iphone. 2. The reason why I switched to the Mac was my constant losing of jaws licence counts. 3. I like to keep my hand in all technology and as Mark has said, sometimes you need windows to run programs such as Goldwave that I use along with a host of windows products which I use from time to time. I'm a great believer of using all the technology available to me and believe in choices and do not wish to keep my eggs in one basket as it were. Kawal. On Jun 18, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Olivia Norman wrote: Hi Everyone, Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble and expense for most people. Consider that windows isn't accessible out of the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows. I guess the question I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for windows, and the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first place? Also, from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two operating systems? I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in knowing why and how you switch between the OS's? Thanks for appeasing my curiosity! I'm sure there are totally good reasons for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/Text): +447905618396 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
I like the Mac, too, but it can't do everything. For music and audio production, we now have Pro Tools, but, for many tasks, software systems under Windows like Sonar still have superior access. So, for now, I run Sonar in BootCamp. I run a small business, and use Outlook and Excel extensively. Mac Mail doesn't have any server solution like Exchange. Numbers might be a replacement for Excel, but I have a huge set of templates built up in Excel that I haven't spent the time to convert. There are practically no accessible games for the Mac. The only ones that partly work are Audio Quake and Sound RTS, and those take a huge amount of manual hackery to get going. On Windows, there are several first person shooters (single and network player), RPG games, racing games, strategy/war games, board and card games, etc. If you have a Mac, and you want to use any of that, you need Windows. Plus, there is other specialty software like Klango and TeamTalk that aren't available for the Mac. I realize that this next remark could be taken badly. So, I want you to know that I'm trying to say it as constructively as possible. I might be wrong, but it is my understanding that you got one of the jobs that Apple posted recently. Congratulations. However, you'll poorly serve yourself and your employer if you allow your knowledge of accessible computing to start and stop with OS X. You can't evaluate your work unless you know the works of others such that you can judge your relative success. When I was at Microsoft, for example, people routinely had secondary machines in their offices that ran other OSes (like Linux variants). This was encouraged. If everyone lives in their own little bubble, surrounded by other people at the same company that also share the same little bubble, then entire trends can come and go in the outside world without them even noticing. If you're doing something accessibility related at Apple, then you should have Windows installed on a computer that you must routinely use for some required task, so that you'll force yourself to use it. You don't need to get Jaws. Get Window Eyes. get System Access. The point is to make yourself do something in Windows world so that you can have experience with what they get right, and what they get wrong. Anyway, I hope that you didn't get too upset by my response, either. I don't want to be critical, but, if you're trying to improve the accessibility situation on the Mac, you must know what others are trying. It isn't enough to only live in Mac world. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David McLean Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 2:19 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: -- SPAM -- Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this? The only thing I use Windows for, and the only reason I installed it on the Mac as a Vm, is to use Winamp. I like Vlc but I just haven't found anything I like as well as Winamp. Also I've been a Windows used since the mid 90s so there are still a few times such as now with the Audible/Safari problem where it is just more convenient to go back to Windows temporarily. On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Olivia, Remember that a lot of us who are coming to the Mac now, have been Windows users for many years, which means, unfortunately, that we already own that expensive third-party software. :) Speaking only for myself of course, I got a Mac b/c I like the notion of out-of-the-box accessibility, and I want to support Apple in this approach. I would also be happy to stop paying for upgrades to that expensive 3rd-party software. When I bought my Mac, my plan had been to abandon Windows completely, but I have found that simply isn't possible. Right now, there is not a good scanning option for the Mac, unless you want to commit to fine-reader without a demo, and use it in conjunction with Vuescan. My copy of Kurzweil works great, so I continue to scan on my old Windows machine. I also find that some Word docs with tables in them read much better in Windows than on the Mac. I also use the Duxbury translator, which runs under Windows. Also, several of us have noted that audio captchas work much better under windows than they do on the Mac. Moreover, at least on the faculty end, Blackboard works *much better under Windows, in fact, as of last winter, Safari 4 wasn't even supported. So, though I had not planned to continue using Windows, for all of the above reasons, I still do. My solution has been to simply hang onto my Windows machine. But if you can't do that for whatever reason, your only option is to run a dual-boot system on your Mac. I love my Mac, but right now it simply cannot completely replace my Windows machine. So, until it can, I'll be running both. Take care, Donna On Jun 18, 2010,
RE: Install iOS 4 today!
You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the more I like it. Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of the network capacity is gone. Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more bandwidth for me. I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with ATT's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up saving money in the long run. On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch rude to boot. On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask how to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope no one provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for the official release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to wait one entire week. On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't find the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have downloaded.
RE: vinux 3.0 on bootcamp
Actually, Larry, it runs better in VMware. In VMware, you have a virtualized set of hardware that is visible to the guest, and VMware Tools includes Linux drivers for the virtualized hardware. Under BootCamp, though, Apple doesn't provide drivers for anything other than Windows. Linux has support for lots of Mac hardware, but some devices won't work. I think that wireless on the new MBP models falls in to this category. I'm sure that someone out there has hacked up a fix, so you can probably get it working, but will require quite a bit of extra effort. Don't forget to manually add the option to the VMX file to reduce the buffer size of the virtualized audio device, or else the latency between a key press and speech will be fairly long. pciSound.playBuffer = 16 16 works fine on my MBP, but you might need to adjust. With 16, speech in virtual machines seems just as snappy as physical machines. Lower than 16, though, and I get crackling. So, if your speech is choppy after this tweak, up it a bit. BTW: You must completely close a VM, change the vmx file, and then restart it. Editing while the VM is active won't change the live setting, and your changes can be overwritten when the VM closes. I wish that they'd allow people to adjust the size of the record buffer. All audio going in to a VM is on about a 1 second delay. Makes it difficult to use VoIP applications. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Skutchan Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:24 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: vinux 3.0 on bootcamp How are you getting the volume level up where you can hear it. I always have to go to Ubuntu's System Settings and raise the volume there. It is fine until I reboot where it returns to such a low level that it is very difficult to hear. I suspect this should work under Boot Camp just as well if not better. On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:03 PM, chad baker wrote: Hi has anyone ever tried vinux 3.0 on bootcamp? I just downloaded it it works fine in fusion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Build 10F569 of Mac OS X 10.6.4 Seeded to Developers
They mentioned VO in the last few builds of 10.6.4. They talked about it in 10.6.3. Who knows what was actually changed. I've never found a list of actual changes to VO, so, when ever they list it, I pretty much interpret it as meaning and other stuff, too. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Hole Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:49 PM To: MacVisionaries Mailinglist Subject: Build 10F569 of Mac OS X 10.6.4 Seeded to Developers Hi folks. I thought this one is a little bit interesting for us. Notice the word VoiceOver :) Source: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/14/build-10f569-of-mac-os-x-10-6-4-seeded-to-developers/ Build 10F569 of Mac OS X 10.6.4 Seeded to Developers Monday June 14, 2010 03:36 PM EST Written by Eric Slivka Apple today seeded Build 10F569 of Mac OS X 10.6.4 to developers. The new build comes six days after the last seed and continues to list no known issues with the update. As with the last several developers builds, testers are asked to once again focus their efforts on Graphics Drivers, SMB, USB, Voice Over, and VPN. Seeding of Mac OS X 10.6.4 began in late April and today's build represents the eighth version pushed out to developers for testing. A public release of Mac OS X 10.6.4 had been rumored to occur during last week's Worldwide Developers Conference, but Apple appears to still be putting the final touches on the next maintenance update for Mac OS X Snow Leopard. The most recent public version of Snow Leopard, Mac OS X 10.6.3, was released in late March. Kind regards David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out
Nope. 8.0.4 is the version with accessibility. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Nalda Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 3:35 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out So is this Protools 8.0.4 accessible? I thought Protools accessibility wasn't coming until Version 9. On Jun 11, 2010, at 11:34 AM, Cameron wrote: Hi. basicly to use pro tools, you need either a piece of avid hardware. Either digidesign or m audio. (Digidesign is now avid although the stock currently being sold by dealers still has the digidesign brand name.) You can buy a USB interface, like the m box mini, m box 2, m audio fast track, or, for better performance, a firewire interface, like the m box pro, 003 rack, eleven rack, m audio firewire solo, m audio pro fire 26, etc, or, for the most flexibility and hands on control at this level, a control surface/audio/midi interface combo like the digi 003 or the m audio project mix. Some of the Mackie onyx mixers have a pro tools plug in for their firewire interface cards as well... however, keep in mind that these are mixers, not control surfaces. If you buy an m audio interface, you'll want to buy a copy of pro tools m powered. If you buy any of the digi interfaces, you'll get a copy of pro tools le included. For specs, check the avid site, or, sites like sweetwater, musicians friend, etc. Cameron. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:47 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out Hello All, I realize this thread may get off-topic so please feel free to send replies off-list. I'm interested in purchasing ProTools, assuming it's accessible. However, I don't understand about the hardware that has been mentioned on this thread. I would appreciate an short explanation of what kind and why special hardware is required such as this box that Sara mentioned. Thank you all in advance, Mark Get to know yourself as you get to know me on The Secret Life of Mark Marcus Live Talk Show http://candleshore.com/secrets -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 1:21 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out a simple mbox should doo. I read about them and they seem sweet! Take care. S On Jun 10, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Michael Huckabay wrote: I have pro tools software I just need to find the hard ware. So ya. On 2010-06-11, at 12:53 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Nice! I'll be saving up for a simple version of said software and hardware. My board is on its way out and it sucks to record or try to and you hear a 120hz humb. lol! On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: For what it's worth, Pro Tools version 8.0.4 is finally out. Stay tuned for an announcement about an email list focusing on Pro Tools accessibility with VoiceOver. Slau -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
RE: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out
Hi Courtney. The three main editions of Pro Tools 8.04: MPowered, LE, and HD, all share the accessibility features. The version that you got is a taster version called Pro Tools Essentials. No one knows what is going to happen with the accessibility in those light/taster versions. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtney Curran Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 12:00 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out Hi, I bought Protools from Best Buy a few weeks ago on a CD, a mic came with it. Am I entitled to a free upgrade, I need protools for my class, and I've had to have sighted help. I hope I'm entitled to a free or cheaper upgrade. Courtney On Jun 11, 2010, at 1:56 AM, Michael Huckabay wrote: I have pro tools software I just need to find the hard ware. So ya. On 2010-06-11, at 12:53 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Nice! I'll be saving up for a simple version of said software and hardware. My board is on its way out and it sucks to record or try to and you hear a 120hz humb. lol! On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: For what it's worth, Pro Tools version 8.0.4 is finally out. Stay tuned for an announcement about an email list focusing on Pro Tools accessibility with VoiceOver. Slau -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: a sign of things to come?
Can't find it, but this one should do: Verizon Likely to Follow ATT's Move to End Unlimited Data Pricing http://www.channelinsider.com/c/a/Messaging-and-Collaboration/Verizon-Likely-to-Follow-ATTs-Move-to-End-Unlimited-Data-Pricing-544452/ Probably, the only provider left with unlimited will be the ghetto data network of T-Mobile. Basically, they gave out unlimited, and didn't realize how much data people would actually use streaming movies and such. When you go to some areas of cities where a lot of smartphone users are located, it is difficult to access anything, because the network is so clogged. I guess they should upgrade capacity, but they've decided that people want data so badly, they'll pay, and having people pay will both bring in more money, and force people to cut back on their data use at the same time. People will gripe and whine, but if you want to use a smartphone, you'll pay, or else have no Internet. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 4:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a sign of things to come? Is there a link you can provide to that blog post from the verison exec? thanks. On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:26 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: if that is the case I hope all of the companies go under i am sick of being screwed by money hungry big buisness they want us to get on their netowrk buy these expensive phones and data plans and then not USE them at all i wouldn't do buisness with verizon if they were the last carrier on earth! everyone I know who has ever had them has been screwed On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: Unfortunately, I saw a blog post from a Verizon exec saying that they were also going to stop their unlimited data plan when they introduce their LTE network later this year. I think that unlimited data is just over. period. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Snyder Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 1:51 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a sign of things to come? Indeed. I might have purchased a new iPhone 4g, but if I have to go with ATT and the new cap they put on data usage, I think I'll wait until the phone is offered to some other carrier. Friendly, Chris On Jun 9, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Michael Thurman wrote: now if we can get at and t to not screw us on data 30 was bad enough now we get to pay extra if we actually USE our phones too? gives me pause if i even want an I phone now is 2 gig worth anything since i want the phone for skype echolink navigation and streaming audio? On Jun 8, 2010, at 12:10 PM, william lomas wrote: hi i wonder what languages we get then in the OS for mac? iPhone 4 supports more than 30 Bluetooth wireless braille displays right out of the box. Just pair one and start using it to navigate your iPhone with VoiceOver - no additional software needed. In addition, iPhone includes braille tables for more than 25 international languages. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http
RE: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out
Yes. Certain interfaces made by M-Audio will work. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Huckabay Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 3:49 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out Is someone able to just get a USB hardware interface for Pro tools if they all reddy own pro tools? On 2010-06-11, at 2:36 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: Nope. 8.0.4 is the version with accessibility. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Nalda Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 3:35 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out So is this Protools 8.0.4 accessible? I thought Protools accessibility wasn't coming until Version 9. On Jun 11, 2010, at 11:34 AM, Cameron wrote: Hi. basicly to use pro tools, you need either a piece of avid hardware. Either digidesign or m audio. (Digidesign is now avid although the stock currently being sold by dealers still has the digidesign brand name.) You can buy a USB interface, like the m box mini, m box 2, m audio fast track, or, for better performance, a firewire interface, like the m box pro, 003 rack, eleven rack, m audio firewire solo, m audio pro fire 26, etc, or, for the most flexibility and hands on control at this level, a control surface/audio/midi interface combo like the digi 003 or the m audio project mix. Some of the Mackie onyx mixers have a pro tools plug in for their firewire interface cards as well... however, keep in mind that these are mixers, not control surfaces. If you buy an m audio interface, you'll want to buy a copy of pro tools m powered. If you buy any of the digi interfaces, you'll get a copy of pro tools le included. For specs, check the avid site, or, sites like sweetwater, musicians friend, etc. Cameron. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:47 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out Hello All, I realize this thread may get off-topic so please feel free to send replies off-list. I'm interested in purchasing ProTools, assuming it's accessible. However, I don't understand about the hardware that has been mentioned on this thread. I would appreciate an short explanation of what kind and why special hardware is required such as this box that Sara mentioned. Thank you all in advance, Mark Get to know yourself as you get to know me on The Secret Life of Mark Marcus Live Talk Show http://candleshore.com/secrets -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 1:21 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out a simple mbox should doo. I read about them and they seem sweet! Take care. S On Jun 10, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Michael Huckabay wrote: I have pro tools software I just need to find the hard ware. So ya. On 2010-06-11, at 12:53 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Nice! I'll be saving up for a simple version of said software and hardware. My board is on its way out and it sucks to record or try to and you hear a 120hz humb. lol! On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: For what it's worth, Pro Tools version 8.0.4 is finally out. Stay tuned for an announcement about an email list focusing on Pro Tools accessibility with VoiceOver. Slau -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email
RE: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out
If you really have HD, then it will only run on a Mac Pro, and will require PCI or PCIE Accel cards and Avid/Digi outboard gear. You're looking at thousands of dollars. Should sell it and get MPowered or LE. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Huckabay Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 4:18 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out I own the HD version but didn't pay much for it so I probley could just by a package. On 2010-06-11, at 3:11 PM, Cameron wrote: Hi. do you own m powered or le? If you own m powered, you can just buy an m audio interface. As far as the digi interfaces, they all seem to be bundles, including the upgrade packages. I'd say try craigs list or e bay etc. Cameron. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Huckabay Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 3:49 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out Is someone able to just get a USB hardware interface for Pro tools if they all reddy own pro tools? On 2010-06-11, at 2:36 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: Nope. 8.0.4 is the version with accessibility. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Nalda Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 3:35 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out So is this Protools 8.0.4 accessible? I thought Protools accessibility wasn't coming until Version 9. On Jun 11, 2010, at 11:34 AM, Cameron wrote: Hi. basicly to use pro tools, you need either a piece of avid hardware. Either digidesign or m audio. (Digidesign is now avid although the stock currently being sold by dealers still has the digidesign brand name.) You can buy a USB interface, like the m box mini, m box 2, m audio fast track, or, for better performance, a firewire interface, like the m box pro, 003 rack, eleven rack, m audio firewire solo, m audio pro fire 26, etc, or, for the most flexibility and hands on control at this level, a control surface/audio/midi interface combo like the digi 003 or the m audio project mix. Some of the Mackie onyx mixers have a pro tools plug in for their firewire interface cards as well... however, keep in mind that these are mixers, not control surfaces. If you buy an m audio interface, you'll want to buy a copy of pro tools m powered. If you buy any of the digi interfaces, you'll get a copy of pro tools le included. For specs, check the avid site, or, sites like sweetwater, musicians friend, etc. Cameron. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:47 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out Hello All, I realize this thread may get off-topic so please feel free to send replies off-list. I'm interested in purchasing ProTools, assuming it's accessible. However, I don't understand about the hardware that has been mentioned on this thread. I would appreciate an short explanation of what kind and why special hardware is required such as this box that Sara mentioned. Thank you all in advance, Mark Get to know yourself as you get to know me on The Secret Life of Mark Marcus Live Talk Show http://candleshore.com/secrets -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 1:21 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out a simple mbox should doo. I read about them and they seem sweet! Take care. S On Jun 10, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Michael Huckabay wrote: I have pro tools software I just need to find the hard ware. So ya. On 2010-06-11, at 12:53 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Nice! I'll be saving up for a simple version of said software and hardware. My board is on its way out and it sucks to record or try to and you hear a 120hz humb. lol! On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: For what it's worth, Pro Tools version 8.0.4 is finally out. Stay tuned for an announcement about an email list focusing on Pro Tools accessibility with VoiceOver. Slau -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed
RE: New list for Pro Tools discussion [was Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out]
OK. That does sound like it would be useful to many people. I'll add it. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 5:14 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: New list for Pro Tools discussion [was Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out] Hi Bryan, Searching the Mail Archive is really much easier than doing the Google Groups search. -- I can search what has been posted in the macvisionaries list faster than I can search mail on my own computer and get better results with less effort for a simple query than when I use a Google serach. It supports Boolean arguments, wild cards, date, ranges, etc. I don't even have to use most of these to get a good result. Even better, it supports access key command searches that let you read up and down the list by time or by thread. These work for any browser, if you substitute the correct access key, For Safari (with VoiceOver on), the access key is the Control key. That also means that if I find a match I can read up or down the thread with Control-N (for next post) or Control-P (for previous post). This cuts through a lot of extraneous material. On high volume lists, I can also read the list directly through the mail archive site when I'm traveling or away from my computer. The default mode is threaded, but I can switch to time ordered by using Control-I and then read through with Control-B (back to previous post by time) or Control-F (forward to next post by time). To go back to threaded mode by contents I use Control-C. This is really very powerful, and I'd say that my most effective use of the macvisionaries archive dates from discovering that the list was archived at the Mail Archive and finding out about the search and wild card options. For example, I can find any of your posts by typing: From:Bryan in front of my search terms. HTH Cheers, Esther Bryan Smart wrote: Hi Esther. I don't really see a problem with adding mail archive, except, why is it needed? Google Groups already show up on many search indexes, not the least of which is Google. Is there some other advantage? I take your point about setting the list to not be public. I guess that it doesn't happen as much with traditional listservs because they aren't so easy to discover automatically with a computer program. With closed lists, join requests must be manually approved, and I hate adding too much admin work. Anyway, I'll do this for ptaccess. Thanks again. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 4:48 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: New list for Pro Tools discussion [was Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out] Hi Bryan, Can you please set up the new list so that it is archived at the Mail Archive and searchable? Read the FAQ for how to do it: http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#newlist It only took about 10 minutes of fiddling back and forth to do this for the vimacaudio list, with none of us knowing how this worked. Since then, there's an extra step, so read the document. This will save people having to repeat and type in questions many times, as on the viphone list. And please change the anyone can join status before you get spammed by people looking to find Google groups they can join and post to for advertising --- that's what happened when the macvisionaries list started up, and it's why the list is not just open. Thanks, Esther On Jun 11, 2010, at 09:38, Bryan Smart wrote: There is now a list for people that just want to discuss Pro Tools from an accessibility perspective. It's hosted on the Google Group PTAccess. To directly subscribe, send an empty message to: ptaccess+subscr...@googlegroups.com The group's web page is here: http://www.googlegroups.com/group/ptaccess Presently, we only know of the 8.04 update for Pro Tools LE being live on Avid's site. MPowered and HD will soon follow, but Avid is just releasing the update, so the others might take a few hours. This update is for many other improvements besides just accessibility, so Avid is quite busy with getting it out there. Please be patient. Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
RE: New list for Pro Tools discussion [was Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out]
I've added it. I won't post any further on this e-mail list about mail-archive, but please let me know off-list if you don't see PTAccess appear on mail-archive.com shortly. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Smart Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 5:46 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: New list for Pro Tools discussion [was Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out] OK. That does sound like it would be useful to many people. I'll add it. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 5:14 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: New list for Pro Tools discussion [was Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out] Hi Bryan, Searching the Mail Archive is really much easier than doing the Google Groups search. -- I can search what has been posted in the macvisionaries list faster than I can search mail on my own computer and get better results with less effort for a simple query than when I use a Google serach. It supports Boolean arguments, wild cards, date, ranges, etc. I don't even have to use most of these to get a good result. Even better, it supports access key command searches that let you read up and down the list by time or by thread. These work for any browser, if you substitute the correct access key, For Safari (with VoiceOver on), the access key is the Control key. That also means that if I find a match I can read up or down the thread with Control-N (for next post) or Control-P (for previous post). This cuts through a lot of extraneous material. On high volume lists, I can also read the list directly through the mail archive site when I'm traveling or away from my computer. The default mode is threaded, but I can switch to time ordered by using Control-I and then read through with Control-B (back to previous post by time) or Control-F (forward to next post by time). To go back to threaded mode by contents I use Control-C. This is really very powerful, and I'd say that my most effective use of the macvisionaries archive dates from discovering that the list was archived at the Mail Archive and finding out about the search and wild card options. For example, I can find any of your posts by typing: From:Bryan in front of my search terms. HTH Cheers, Esther Bryan Smart wrote: Hi Esther. I don't really see a problem with adding mail archive, except, why is it needed? Google Groups already show up on many search indexes, not the least of which is Google. Is there some other advantage? I take your point about setting the list to not be public. I guess that it doesn't happen as much with traditional listservs because they aren't so easy to discover automatically with a computer program. With closed lists, join requests must be manually approved, and I hate adding too much admin work. Anyway, I'll do this for ptaccess. Thanks again. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 4:48 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: New list for Pro Tools discussion [was Re: Pro Tools 8.0.4 is finally out] Hi Bryan, Can you please set up the new list so that it is archived at the Mail Archive and searchable? Read the FAQ for how to do it: http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#newlist It only took about 10 minutes of fiddling back and forth to do this for the vimacaudio list, with none of us knowing how this worked. Since then, there's an extra step, so read the document. This will save people having to repeat and type in questions many times, as on the viphone list. And please change the anyone can join status before you get spammed by people looking to find Google groups they can join and post to for advertising --- that's what happened when the macvisionaries list started up, and it's why the list is not just open. Thanks, Esther On Jun 11, 2010, at 09:38, Bryan Smart wrote: There is now a list for people that just want to discuss Pro Tools from an accessibility perspective. It's hosted on the Google Group PTAccess. To directly subscribe, send an empty message to: ptaccess+subscr...@googlegroups.com The group's web page is here: http://www.googlegroups.com/group/ptaccess Presently, we only know of the 8.04 update for Pro Tools LE being live on Avid's site. MPowered and HD will soon follow, but Avid is just releasing the update, so the others might take a few hours. This update is for many other improvements besides just accessibility, so Avid is quite busy with getting it out there. Please be patient. Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email
RE: a sign of things to come?
Unfortunately, I saw a blog post from a Verizon exec saying that they were also going to stop their unlimited data plan when they introduce their LTE network later this year. I think that unlimited data is just over. period. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Snyder Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 1:51 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a sign of things to come? Indeed. I might have purchased a new iPhone 4g, but if I have to go with ATT and the new cap they put on data usage, I think I'll wait until the phone is offered to some other carrier. Friendly, Chris On Jun 9, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Michael Thurman wrote: now if we can get at and t to not screw us on data 30 was bad enough now we get to pay extra if we actually USE our phones too? gives me pause if i even want an I phone now is 2 gig worth anything since i want the phone for skype echolink navigation and streaming audio? On Jun 8, 2010, at 12:10 PM, william lomas wrote: hi i wonder what languages we get then in the OS for mac? iPhone 4 supports more than 30 Bluetooth wireless braille displays right out of the box. Just pair one and start using it to navigate your iPhone with VoiceOver - no additional software needed. In addition, iPhone includes braille tables for more than 25 international languages. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: ibooks
Cause dropping an iPad, one side of which is entirely made of glass, isn't risky at all. *smile* I bet that a MacBook would survive a drop better than an iPad. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Nalda Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 1:11 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: ibooks I think also that would be cool. But I'm convinced I'll be using my iPad more than my Macbook Pro, once I get it, as it's lighter and I get to leave my macbook pro in one safe place and not run the risk of dropping it. Still I think it would be nice to have iBook access on other devices besides just iDevices. On Jun 9, 2010, at 1:48 AM, william lomas wrote: hi all, I would have thought IBooks would also be on the macintosh and windows platforms, as then one could read a book on their laptop or desktop and keep reading on the move with their portable device -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) Pete Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Programmers Editor
Hi. The iPhone OS, now just called iOS, uses a windowing toolkit that is based on Cocoa, but isn't the same. The class names are different, and parts of the classes themselves are different. Beyond that, the layout of the interfaces of an iOS application isn't very much like a desktop application. So, for RenaissanceX to work on Cocoa Touch, the tag engine and auto-layout engine will need to be reworked. It isn't that I don't believe that something like RenaissanceX can be created for iOS. I originally thought that RenaissanceX could support either Cocoa or Cocoa Touch from the same framework. However, I now think that a completely separate system will be required. That's too bad. RenaissanceX is focused at blind devs on the Mac, but it stems from Renaissance, a larger cross-platform effort to abstractly describe interfaces for programs so that they can be run on all OpenStep type operating systems. Because of that, RenaissanceX can pool its development with people that are interested in the larger Renaissance project. Forking will create another project that it will be all on me to maintain. Renaissance gets little development help, even given its wide community. So far, only one other person has been able to assist me with RenaissanceX development, and that was by contributing sample projects. People just don't have much time to give to free projects. If I fork, I believe that I'll be all by myself when it comes to the actual programming. Further, Apple might not even allow RenaissanceX on iOS. The developer agreement in iOS 4 has been revised in such a way that might prohibit it. I think that the changes are primarily targeted at keeping people from using Flash cross-compiling tools, but it still applies to what we'd like to do. In short, the new section 3.31 says that applications aren't allowed to call Cocoa Touch APIs indirectly (through a framework or translation layer). RenaissanceX works by sub-classing Cocoa objects in order to add the automatic layout behavior. I don't think that this sort of issue is what Apple has in mind, but I can't tell you how profoundly angry and frustrated I'll feel if I port RenaissanceX, and Apple starts rejecting apps for using it. There are only 3 ways to make a user interface on iOS: use Interface Builder (inaccessible), do it programmatically (incredibly slow), or use a tool to build the UI programmatically through macro type functions (RenaissanceX). If they won't allow RenaissanceX, then blind devs will need to create all UIs by hand. That is practically impossible without a profound amount of effort, and vision, since VoiceOver can't tell you if your programmatically generated user interface objects overlap other controls, are obscured, etc. I doubt that I can get an official waver for RenaissanceX. So, I'll just have to put in the time, and accept that their is a high likelihood that all of the work will be for nothing. Of course, Apple could solve this problem by making an accessible way for blind people to use their official interface building tools. The word on that, though, is no interest, not at this time, etc. It's disappointing. I suppose that I'll have to try, though. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dónal Fitzpatrick Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:06 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Programmers Editor Hi Brian, What issues are you having with the port to Iphone OS? I'm also wondering whether it might be better to hold off on a port now till after the release of the SDK for version 4.0? That's going to change our coding landscape rather considerably methinks. However, I'd love to get involved and help with any kind of port to the iPHone os. I like RenaissanceX rather a lot. Well done on a great effort. Dónal On 7 Jun 2010, at 05:47, Bryan Smart wrote: I haven't figured out a way to start it, but VoiceOver seems to be included with the simulator. Won't do you much good, though. No way to design your user interface for the iPhone, unless you create all of the user interface objects by hand in code. Interface Builder, where you'd normally make the interface, isn't accessible, and my RenaissanceX project can only make desktop interfaces right now. I'd hoped to port it to iPhone OS fairly quick, but that's taking more work than I'd thought. Apple doesn't exactly use Cocoa on the iPhone. Cocoa Touch might sound like a similar API, but it is quite different. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Ivey Jr. Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:49 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Programmers Editor how about the simulator? is it accessible yet? I really want to make an iphone web ap for my business, but the last time i checked, the software for creating
RE: mail rules on iphone
No, it doesn't. And Mobile Me doesn't store your rules and process them server-side. If you don't have a Mac, somewhere, running, with Mail open, then none of your rules are applied, , and when you view your inbox on the iPhone, all of your mail will be left there, instead of being placed in to folders. It's really weak. Just about every major mail provider supports server-side rules, except for Mobile Me. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 8:53 PM To: mac vissionaries vissionaries Subject: mail rules on iphone Hellodoes iphone mail also use the rules you create with apple mail? Just curious. S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: [bcab] End of Freedom?
Window Eyes will get the Jaws refugees. They are the only other professional screen reader for Windows. System Access, NVDA, and friends are not professional. I know that lots of people that spend most of their time in a web browser and chatting with friends on IM will disagree, but professionals need advanced support for Excel, support for Word that goes beyond just reading raw text, etc. And, actually, Window Eyes will be in the same boat in only a year or two. You might not like high prices for pro level Windows screen readers, but that's what it takes on Windows to make something pro. Windows screen reading is a constant battle to keep supporting programs from version to version, as little changes in the program break your screen reader's previously great support. The screen reader companies make a lot of money off an initial sell, but, once practically everyone that can get a screen reader, has a screen reader, the market is saturated, and the only money that comes in is through upgrade fees. That just is barely enough money to keep going. As much money as they'd been losing, FS had given up on support for any professional apps, outside of Microsoft Office, for the last few years, and supporting that suite of programs as their interfaces are completely overhauled each version became a all-consuming effort. If they wanted to do more than Office, they'd need to charge more money. The cheap-o and freebie screen readers aren't charging, but then they just don't support anything except leisure software. Well, maybe GW Micro can hold things together for a few years with Window Eyes. If not, looks like blind people will be out of clarical jobs. Hope they all can move up to professional employment, or else they'll be moving down to SSI checks. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kaare Dehard Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 2:29 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bcab] End of Freedom? I feel as sorry for the stupid or missinformed employers who will force the job losses. There are other windows based screen readers out there, some with plenty of scripting capabilities, such as window-eyes whos scripting fits more in to the modern age. We can't expect them all to addopt macs:) but we can pitty them their stupidity if they don't see that the wold wasn't created in 6 days for the blind by freedom:). On 2010-06-05, at 2:21 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: I agree with you. Donna On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote: I feel sorry for the people who will loose their jobs. On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: I certainly agree. Yay, yay, no more overpriced, unfair JAWS. Courtney On 05/06/2010, at 1:19 in the Afternoon, Olivia Norman wrote: YAY! YAY! YAY! Goodbye Jaws! :) :) :) :) Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people who run Fusion on their Macs. Begin forwarded message: From: Ibrahim Gucukoglu ibrahim_gucuko...@sent.com Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00 To: Kawal Gucukoglu kawal_gucuko...@sent.com Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom? - Original Message - From: Colin r. Howard co...@pobox.com To: b...@freelists.org; access...@freelists.org; av...@googlegroups.com; ntexpr...@googlegroups.com; jaws...@freelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom? Greetings, I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio List which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups. Ought we to give much credence to this? I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound. From: Otto Zamora donttreado...@bellsouth.net Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400 Morning, In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw. Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on a flag by an analyst. Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their division, mainly their JFW area. I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that there is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700. Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible web sites, word processing, and E mail. all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual program. ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed for the kind of money they are asking for. Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling
RE: Applescript for automatically dragging a loop to the timeline
Without commenting on the specific situation of copying loops in to GarageBand, just want to point out that learning AppleScript won't teach you anything about Objective-C. They're different, in practically every way. Java is more like Objective-C. Even C#.net is more like Objective-C. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Yuma Antoine Decaux Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 5:06 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Applescript for automatically dragging a loop to the timeline No you are not stupid, and just as you are entitled to your opinion, i am entitled to try and find a solution. It's only advantageous to me as it allows me to learn the intricacies of not only the garage band workflow but also of applescript, which itself will lead me to figure a mental map on objective c. I'm a curious person by nature and like to find things out, a detective work of some sorts. And this brings me intuition and creativity. And if somehow it can help others, then perfect. I don't like sitting my arse just waiting for a fix. I like fixing things or finding ways to do things when i buy a product So that it does what i want it to do. Anyway i found some more solutions out of this so its all good Cheers Yuma DX(r) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Considering purchasing an iPad, but ...
Yeh. I wouldn't get an iPad for just books, when other devices will do that. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kaare Dehard Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 2:19 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Considering purchasing an iPad, but ... Hi Mike, I have sort have experimented with an ipad, and I was able to read the ebooks on there. Also any epub format is able to be imported to the ipad. Also acording to rumor, os 4 is supposed to offer ibooks for iphone/ipod touch... Hopefully after wwdc, this will be clarified. On 2010-06-06, at 1:20 PM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, As the subject implies, I am considering purchasing an iPad, primarily because I want to read E-books. Here are some questions I have: 1. Can one use the iPad in conjunction with Voice Over to read E-books purchased through the iTunes store? If there are limitations, what are they? 2. Can E-books purchased from other sources such as Amazon be read on the iPad with VO? 3. Since I am studying, I am wondering what percentage of university-level textbooks are available in a form that can be read on the iPad. 4. Lastly, I have a Mac Book which I love. Is there software out there that would allow me to read textbooks on my Mac Book, thereby perhaps circumventing the need to purchase the iPad? Thanks in advance, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Programmers Editor
I haven't figured out a way to start it, but VoiceOver seems to be included with the simulator. Won't do you much good, though. No way to design your user interface for the iPhone, unless you create all of the user interface objects by hand in code. Interface Builder, where you'd normally make the interface, isn't accessible, and my RenaissanceX project can only make desktop interfaces right now. I'd hoped to port it to iPhone OS fairly quick, but that's taking more work than I'd thought. Apple doesn't exactly use Cocoa on the iPhone. Cocoa Touch might sound like a similar API, but it is quite different. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Ivey Jr. Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:49 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Programmers Editor how about the simulator? is it accessible yet? I really want to make an iphone web ap for my business, but the last time i checked, the software for creating those wasn't accessible yet. any news? thanks, Max On Jun 4, 2010, at 12:24 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: Xcode. It's completely accessible. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Doug Lawlor Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:22 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Programmers Editor Hi Bryan, What editor do you use for writing code on the Mac? Thanks, Doug On 2010-06-04, at 2:27 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: No. This isn't possible. You can save and load VoiceOver settings, though. Look in the File menu of the VoiceOver utility. I have different settings that I use when programming, for example. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alfredo Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:43 PM To: MacVisionaries Subject: Can you set application specific settings with Voice Over Hello all, I was reading the online Voice over tutorial from apple and and kinda of questioning some aspects of the screen reader, with the focus being excessive keyboard combinations as well as having to arrow several times to reach some palces. But hey, it is a learning experience, and I like challenges. My question is about the verbosity settings. Can you apply verbosity settings on a per application basis? For example I want to have my TextEdit application have full attribute verbose, while I do not care if there is bold or italize text on an article I am reading online. I currently just have the same verbose level in all my applications, although I know they can be customize for each application. PS I have a brand new copy, unopened, latest version of the ViewPlus, AudioGraphing Calculatorsoftware , for sale, its 300 US dollars at their website. I am selling mine for 250. If anyone is interested email me. I live in san Diego, California, USA. Alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email
RE: Programmers Editor
You can set VoiceOver keys to trigger AppleScript scripts. AppleScripts can send commands to applications, including VoiceOver. So, working that way, you can make a VoiceOver key, that triggers a script, that tells VoiceOver to do something. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alfredo Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 3:07 AM To: MacVisionaries Subject: Re: Programmers Editor I assume you can have different Voice Over settings on your hard drive and then load them whenever you want right? Thanks for the info. Also can you script hotkey combinations, like for example, in jaws I have a small function that calls the search feature in jaws, then other scripts call this function, with a combination of a keystroke, and then performs a search on a website and presses that link/button. For example, I have ti so that when I press Control, Shift, I, assuming I an on my gmail page on internet explorer, it will search for the word inbox and then press it, if it does not find that word, then it will find refresh and then click that. This way I can refresh my inbox really fast, whenever I want, regardless of what window I am in Gmail. I know you can just press the f5 key, but I do not know if this will take my to the main page of my GMail account, plus I have to reach over for f5. Anyway, can you do something like this with Scripting provided by the Mac OS for Voice over? Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Applescript for automatically dragging a loop to the timeline
OK. I wish you luck with it. For me, though, it would be confusing. The syntax is different. The APIs are different. I mean, Python is object oriented, too, but looks nothing like an Objective-C program. As long as it works for you, though. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Yuma Antoine Decaux Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 12:39 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Applescript for automatically dragging a loop to the timeline Applescript is object oriented just as objective c is. This is how i could progress, from simple English understanding the concept of countenance and in parallel explore objective c. So yes, they are actually related to what i do, since i work on automating things at my work place and learn programming in objective C for my iphone dev cell. Cheers Yuma DX(r) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: hard drives in macbook pro.
However, taking the MacBook apart to put in the drive will be a frustrating experience. You've never seen screws that tiny, or that strip that easily. I upgraded my memory to 8GB, and will never again open my MacBook if I can help it. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:18 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: hard drives in macbook pro. It will be a normal sata ii 5400 rpm drive. There not designed exclusively for the mbp's, so you can go onto a pc components website and buy a normal cheep 7200 drive. On 03/06/2010, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi kimberly, look under apple in the menu bar. Go into about this Mac. hth On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: I do know the ram is DDR3, but I would be interested in knowing what type hard drive is in the MBP as well. Also, where do I go to find out my system information, i.e. hard drive capacity, amount of ram, etc. TIA Kim On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:13 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Evening all, I'm thinking of upgrading both the memory and the HD in my MBP. Anyone know what type of drive is inside these things? I want to get a bigger 7200 RPM disk and replace the one it came with. Cheers Dónal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Can you set application specific settings with Voice Over
No. This isn't possible. You can save and load VoiceOver settings, though. Look in the File menu of the VoiceOver utility. I have different settings that I use when programming, for example. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alfredo Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:43 PM To: MacVisionaries Subject: Can you set application specific settings with Voice Over Hello all, I was reading the online Voice over tutorial from apple and and kinda of questioning some aspects of the screen reader, with the focus being excessive keyboard combinations as well as having to arrow several times to reach some palces. But hey, it is a learning experience, and I like challenges. My question is about the verbosity settings. Can you apply verbosity settings on a per application basis? For example I want to have my TextEdit application have full attribute verbose, while I do not care if there is bold or italize text on an article I am reading online. I currently just have the same verbose level in all my applications, although I know they can be customize for each application. PS I have a brand new copy, unopened, latest version of the ViewPlus, AudioGraphing Calculatorsoftware , for sale, its 300 US dollars at their website. I am selling mine for 250. If anyone is interested email me. I live in san Diego, California, USA. Alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: hard drives in macbook pro.
Ben, I'd normally agree with you. I'm no newbie to laptop maintenance. I've been upgrading drives and memory for years. I've replaced screens and swapped out motherboards. I've modded netbooks with cellular data adaptors, and regularly remove the screens for the headless netbook approach. Give the MacBook Pro a try for yourself, but, in my experience, those are some of the absolute smallest screws that I've seen on any equipment. You need an eyeglasses driver kit to turn them. The official size is 000, but 000s don't quite fit. The heads are less than an 8th of an inch across, and the shafts are, unbelievably, shorter than the heads are wide. Beyond that, on most of the MBPs, you still need a Torx T6 driver to remove the hard drive bracket. Why on earth would Apple still use a security screw? You're supposed to be able to replace the drive. Why not use a standard screw? Cara, I have a mid 2009 MBP. Unless I'm mistaken, your 2007 model doesn't use the aluminum unibody design. The older models, being plastic, require long screws to help hold everything together. The screws in the lower plate of the unibody MBP don't have anything to do with stability. They simply hold the access plate in place. Since the screws won't be subject to structural stress from the case flexing, and since the aluminum holes are harder to strip, Apple probably doesn't see the point in using long screws any longer. I'll have to tell you, when taking the screws out, the heads are so small, that, even with the correctly sized driver, it was extremely hard to turn the screw without the driver jumping out of the head. I worked very slowly, but I was really scared that some of the screws would strip. On screws that small, it is extremely easy to do. I had horrible visions of having to drill a screw out of the aluminum case. They're so small, I don't even think that would work. Even if I were to drill with an extremely skinny bit, I doubt I could get enough tork to remove the screw's remains. I'm certain that damage like that wouldn't be covered under warranty. Apple acts as if the memory and drive are user serviceable, but the design of the panel's screws is just begging for something bad to happen. Even if they made them just a tad longer (like another 8th of an inch), they'd be manageable. Being so short, they will flip over in the hole, when you try to put them back in. I haven't opened a 2010 MBP. Maybe Apple improved the screws and access panel. Maybe this is just how things must be in order to have a thin MBP. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:58 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: hard drives in macbook pro. I think it depends on what your comparing it to. Obviously, taking a desktop apart is probably going to be easier than a laptop, but I find that in situations like this, practice really does make perfect. 3 years ago, i was limited to upgrading memory on laptops, but now I can do complete tairdowns and motherboard replacements. What I'm trying to say is if you find laptops hard, just keep at it and you'll get better lol. On 04/06/2010, Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, I've had the opposite experience! lol! go figure! I've had one of mine (a 2007 white) apart several times and have had no issues with stripping screws or such. Which model is yours, by chance?. Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Jun 3, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: However, taking the MacBook apart to put in the drive will be a frustrating experience. You've never seen screws that tiny, or that strip that easily. I upgraded my memory to 8GB, and will never again open my MacBook if I can help it. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:18 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: hard drives in macbook pro. It will be a normal sata ii 5400 rpm drive. There not designed exclusively for the mbp's, so you can go onto a pc components website and buy a normal cheep 7200 drive. On 03/06/2010, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi kimberly, look under apple in the menu bar. Go into about this Mac. hth On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: I do know the ram is DDR3, but I would be interested in knowing what type hard drive is in the MBP as well. Also, where do I go to find out my system information, i.e. hard drive capacity, amount of ram, etc. TIA Kim On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:13 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Evening all, I'm thinking of upgrading both the memory and the HD in my MBP. Anyone know what type of drive
RE: Programmers Editor
Xcode. It's completely accessible. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Lawlor Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:22 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Programmers Editor Hi Bryan, What editor do you use for writing code on the Mac? Thanks, Doug On 2010-06-04, at 2:27 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: No. This isn't possible. You can save and load VoiceOver settings, though. Look in the File menu of the VoiceOver utility. I have different settings that I use when programming, for example. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alfredo Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:43 PM To: MacVisionaries Subject: Can you set application specific settings with Voice Over Hello all, I was reading the online Voice over tutorial from apple and and kinda of questioning some aspects of the screen reader, with the focus being excessive keyboard combinations as well as having to arrow several times to reach some palces. But hey, it is a learning experience, and I like challenges. My question is about the verbosity settings. Can you apply verbosity settings on a per application basis? For example I want to have my TextEdit application have full attribute verbose, while I do not care if there is bold or italize text on an article I am reading online. I currently just have the same verbose level in all my applications, although I know they can be customize for each application. PS I have a brand new copy, unopened, latest version of the ViewPlus, AudioGraphing Calculatorsoftware , for sale, its 300 US dollars at their website. I am selling mine for 250. If anyone is interested email me. I live in san Diego, California, USA. Alfredo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Snow Leopard dvd
Chris, I didn't know that you were using the install DVD that came with a computer. The OS X install DVDs that you get with a Mac will only install OS X on that specific model of Mac. If you want the full version, that can install on any Mac, you must go out and buy the retail version of OS X. That's why the disk from your Mini didn't work, but your retail disk does work. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Snyder Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:30 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Snow Leopard dvd Hi all, I put Leopard back on the laptop, and downloaded the firmware update as well as the upgrade to 10.5.8. I then tried the Snow leopard disc from my Mini, but I received the same message. So I went out and got the retail Snow Leopard disc, and it installed with no issue. The laptop is now working very well with one weird exception. Whenever I press shift-vo-space to do a mouse click, it brings up the menu bar. It is quite odd. Anyway, thanks for the help on the Snow Leopard issue. It feels much better to have it on the laptop. Since I primarily use quick nav, not having it was quite annoying. I think the differences between Leopard Voiceover and Snow Voiceover are extraordinary. Friendly, Chris On May 28, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Cameron wrote: Hi. no problem. Keep us up to date on your issue. Cameron. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Snyder Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 6:08 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Snow Leopard dvd Hi Cameron, I believe you're probably right given the age of the computer. The list of computers that needed firmware upgrades includes macbooks from the time that one was manufactured. That's going to be the next thing I try. Thanks very much for that information! Friendly, Chris On May 28, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Cameron wrote: Hi. again, I'd say check the firmware on the mac book to rule that out as a cause. And you have installed sl with this disk on your other machine with no issues? Cameron. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Snyder Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 5:31 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Snow Leopard dvd Hi Cameron and Sarah, Well, the people at the genius bar at my local Apple store, and the tech support people seemed to think that the disc should work as well. There was something weird going on though. I can boot from the disc and choose English as the language. When I click continue though, it comes up with a dialog that has a critical alert, and it says: O S X can't be installed on this computer. Then there are options to restart or restore from backup. The first thing I tried was to upgrade Leopard 10.5.7 to 10.5.8. Oddly enough, the computer wouldn't allow me to make that upgrade. It said that the upgrade couldn't be installed on this computer. There was plenty of room on the drive, the processor is a 2.2GHZ Intel core Duo, and there was a gig of ram. So the techs suggested that I format the drive and do a fresh Snow Leopard install. Well, through tricking the disc into thinking I was going to restore from backup, I managed to access the disc utility, then I did a format of the 120GB main hard drive. When that was done, I tried again to install Snow Leopard, but I got the same error. It really is puzzling. Friendly, Chris On May 28, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: That's what I'm thinking. you can take that install disk and install it on to any mac. so dunno why you are getting th eissue. Are you able to remember the exact error message? Take care. S On May 28, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Cameron wrote: Hi. Hmmm. my understanding is that OS X is OS x, is OS x, except for the server edition. Because it's a mac book, could this be some sort of firmware issue? Cameron. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Snyder Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 5:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Snow Leopard dvd Hi guys, I'm hoping someone here can confirm my experience so that I know if I've made the correct conclusion. I got my paws on a laptop with Leopard on it. It meets all of the system requirements for Snow leopard, but when I put the Snow Leopard disc that I got with my Mac Mini in to try to put it on the laptop, it said OS X can't be installed on this computer. My conclusion after experimenting with a few different settings and tricks is that it wouldn't install because the disc was meant for the mini. I suppose if I buy a retail copy of Snow Leopard, it will work
RE: Best App for Streaming Sirius?
You probably need to press buttons on the flash player to control it. Flash is inaccessible, so VoiceOver can't see those. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Al Puzzuoli Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 7:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Best App for Streaming Sirius? Then what about the Sirius web player itself? If it's supposed to work, I'm not sure what I'm missing. I've installed flash, as well as Flip4Mac, but I can't get it to actually play any streams. --Al -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John J Herzog Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 1:24 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Best App for Streaming Sirius? Albert, Keep in mind that starplayr is no longer being updated. This means that, while you can stream some of sirius's channels, you do not have access to their online only content, which was added after starplayr's developers moved on to other things. This also applies to channels updated in recent months. Too bad, as I agree that starplayr was a useful app. I haven't found anything to take its place either. John On May 31, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Alfred Puzzuoli wrote: First off, I just wanted to say hello and introduce myself to everyone on the list. I may know many of you from my time on other lists in the past, and I look forward to meeting those with whom I have not yet become acquainted. As a new user, I of course have a ton of questions, but One in particular I've been wrestling with is the best way to stream Sirius. According to the help on Sirius.com, the web player is supposed to work. I've installed Flip4Mac, but when I try to launch a stream, I never get any audio. The best solution I've found so far is an app called Starplyr. . If The VO cursor and mouse cursor are set to follow each other, I can navigate through the list of channels, and then double click on one to start it. The app works, but it isn't perfect, as there are various unlabeled controls, but it is relatively usable. There also doesn't seem to be any way to directly enter a channel number. So, if I'm on channel 1, and want to go to channel 100, that means down arrowing a whole bunch of times. has anyone else had experience with this app, or are there other alternatives I should consider? Thanks, --Al -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: any news on pro tools?
I'm involved with Waves in a project to fix access for their entire line of plugs. There stuff isn't the most affordable, but it is very high quality. The access improvements will help in Pro Tools, but will also be just as useful for anyone using them in GarageBand, Logic, or Windows DAWs like Sonar. The public won't have these improvements for probably close to half a year, but the end result should be very good. To some extent, due to how Pro Tools uses synth and effects plug ins, most of the Waves plug ins will work right away, just not as good as they will work in the future. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Slau Halatyn Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 8:31 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: any news on pro tools? Hi Gary, There are a couple of ways to record enable, solo or mute tracks. One is by selecting a given track and pressing keyboard shortcuts. Another is to navigate through tracks and setting the individual controls as needed. For the most part, plug-ins are accessible including third party plug-ins. One of the testers did have a problem with G TR but Waves is apparently aware of the issue. Slau On May 28, 2010, at 7:51 AM, Gary Readfern-Gray wrote: Hi does anyone know if the accessibility includes selecting a given track and then changing settings on that track such as arming mute solo etc? I'm assuming that these basics are covered. I'm asking because in Sonar/Logic you first focus the track you want to adjust and then there are keys for adjusting panning etc. However, in protools, I can't find a way to say go to track 19 or go to the track called bass. I'm sure I heard that the plugins are also going to be accessible? wow, that would be awesome! Does anyone know if that includes 3rd-party plugins? I have Waves GTR and if I could get access to that properly, I'd be in guitar heaven! G On 5/28/10, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think it's Protools M Powered, I'll have to check. On 27/05/2010, at 10:33 in the Afternoon, Slau Halatyn wrote: For what it's worth, I have no idea what Pro Tools Essentials is. I can tell you categorically that Pro Tools HD, LE and M-Powered will be accessible. Pro Tools Essentials may or may not fall under that category. I have no idea, just to be clear. Cheers, Slau On May 27, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: Oh, thank you so much, I'll tell my reader. So for now, I'll just have someone help me with it until a couple weeks from now. I bought the one on disk, the $99 one that came with a mic, am I still entitled to a free download. Thanks so much, Courtney On 27/05/2010, at 7:09 in the Afternoon, Slau Halatyn wrote: version 8.0.4 will be the version that is accessible. You'll be entitled to a free download. Should be another couple of weeks. Slau On May 27, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, I just got Protools Friday, should it work with Snow Leopard and be accessible? I need it for my audio production class. Thanks, Courtney On 08/05/2010, at 9:01 in the morning, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: Thats great news. Perfect timing for me :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
RE: any news on pro tools?
Slau, does this mean that it is cool for us beta people to talk about details now? If so, I have a lot of questions to answer on other lists. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Slau Halatyn Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 1:30 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: any news on pro tools? They're acessible in the sense that all automateable parameters are accessible. Some buttons, since they're not automateable, are not seen in the plug-ins window but can be accessed via a macro program like quicKeys (similar to Hot Spot Clicker). HTH Slau On May 28, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Gary Readfern-Gray wrote: Brilliant, thanks Slau. So are you saying that the software instruments that ship with PT such as boom are accessible? I can't wait! G On 5/28/10, Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Frank, I had the same Otari remote. Physical switches are nice but not really practical these days unless you're tracking to a RADAR which, by the way, is accessible. Anyway, when tracking live bands, one would simply arm all the tracks with one keyboard command so it's not really an issue. Further, a control surface would simplify things to a large degree, for what it's worth. Level metering is via a numeric value that can toggle between no peak hold, 3 second peak hold and infinite peak hold with a clip indicator that can be persistent if desired. Slau On May 28, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Frank Carmickle wrote: Hello Slau I am concerned about how efficient I can be when tracking. I used to record using the remote for the Otari mx80 which had actual mini toggle switches for track arming and play/record/repro. I have actually found someone who can build me a remote with real switches for around $5,000. If I can have the braille display cursor routing keys toggle the armed state and display the state then I can have the same functionality but also get a braille display out of the deal. I guess I'm going to have to learn how to do some Apple scripting. I plan on doing lots of live tracking with full bands where I feel as though I will need to have a speedy way of knowing the track armed state with out having to listen to 24 or 32 status messages. I am really looking forward to trying out the level monitoring. Do they have a tone generator following the amplitude or just a numeric value with a peek hold setup? Thanks for keeping us all informed. --FC On May 28, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Slau Halatyn wrote: I don't use a braille display. Also, the only instance where I need to refer to the screen reader while monitoring audio is when taking levels. At that point, I'm not really monitoring for sound, per se, just for signal so I simply dim the monitors, read the levels as necessary and then turn up the monitors again. HTH On May 28, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Frank Carmickle wrote: Hello I grabbed a echo audiofire 12 when they were on sale at Christmas time. I haven't even plugged it in to the mac yet. I was trying to explore garageband a bit but I didn't get very far with importing some wav files. I have found the learning curve with the mac to be high. I hope that now that I understand it a bit more jumping in to protools won't be to difficult. I am very interested to try PT with a braille display. I hate listening to audio and speech at the same time. Slau have you had a chance to try PT with a braille display? If so how easy is it to get a quick look at what tracks are armed? Take care --FC On May 28, 2010, at 8:30 AM, Slau Halatyn wrote: Hi Gary, There are a couple of ways to record enable, solo or mute tracks. One is by selecting a given track and pressing keyboard shortcuts. Another is to navigate through tracks and setting the individual controls as needed. For the most part, plug-ins are accessible including third party plug-ins. One of the testers did have a problem with G TR but Waves is apparently aware of the issue. Slau On May 28, 2010, at 7:51 AM, Gary Readfern-Gray wrote: Hi does anyone know if the accessibility includes selecting a given track and then changing settings on that track such as arming mute solo etc? I'm assuming that these basics are covered. I'm asking because in Sonar/Logic you first focus the track you want to adjust and then there are keys for adjusting panning etc. However, in protools, I can't find a way to say go to track 19 or go to the track called bass. I'm sure I heard that the plugins are also going to be accessible? wow, that would be awesome! Does anyone know if that includes 3rd-party plugins? I have Waves GTR and if I could get access to that properly, I'd be in guitar heaven! G On 5/28/10, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think it's Protools M Powered, I'll have to check. On 27/05/2010,
RE: any news on pro tools?
In a lot of ways, the Radar should be just accessible out of the box. Not in terms that it will speak to you, but just for the fact that it has a physical control for just about every function. It isn't a full DAW, but is mainly just a multitrack digital recorder. The really popular thing about the Radar is that, because of all of the physical controls, it is also a magnificent machine for editing. I don't mean a cut and paste here and there, but, if you have a project where you must slice it up in to many tiny pieces, and reassemble all of those pieces in a different way, or manually edit timing mistakes, and you've memorized all of the shortcut commands, then you can edit at a speed that someone working with a mouse would never be able to match. Oh, if only there were a full DAW like that. However, the mind boggling amount of keyboard-based editing support from Pro Tools isn't too far away from that goal. Pro Tools keyboard support is way deeper than even highly keyboard-focused DAWs like Sonar and Logic. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Slau Halatyn Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 1:33 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: any news on pro tools? Hi Frank, Yes, from what I understand, IZ Technologies has worked with a few blind individuals to make the RADAR accessible. For those who don't know, the RADAR was conceived as a replacement for analog multitrack recorders. It is widely regarded in the audio industry as being perhaps the best sounding digital recorder in terms of it's analog to digital conversion. You can contact them directly to get more information regarding accessibility. HTH Slau On May 28, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Frank Carmickle wrote: Hi Slau On May 28, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Slau Halatyn wrote: Hey Frank, I had the same Otari remote. Physical switches are nice but not really practical these days unless you're tracking to a RADAR which, by the way, is accessible. I was going to respond to you off list about this but I thought maybe someone else might want to know about this as well. I am very interested in accessibility of the radar. I have looked around on the web on many occasions and have found nothing. Please let me know how I can find out more. Anyway, when tracking live bands, one would simply arm all the tracks with one keyboard command so it's not really an issue. Further, a control surface would simplify things to a large degree, for what it's worth. One keyboard command works for me. Level metering is via a numeric value that can toggle between no peak hold, 3 second peak hold and infinite peak hold with a clip indicator that can be persistent if desired. Very good. Thanks again --FC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: any news on pro tools?
The base systems usually come with roughly the same set of plug ins, whether you buy MPowered, LE, or HD. You typically buy a base system, and then add on the features that you need through upgrade packs. For example, they have one upgrade pack targeted at people using Pro Tools for editing and sequencing along with video projects, another pack targeted at people using Pro Tools for MIDI composition with software instruments, etc. You also can buy individual plug ins and features, like upgrading ala cart. There are many options, so, like Slau says, contact Avid, or a dealer, tell them what you're trying to do, and let them suggest a set of options that will help you out. ordering a version with everything and the kitchen sink isn't practical unless you have mountains of money. Plus, it's just a waste. For me, I'm a composer and mixer. I wouldn't want to pay money for a bunch of expensive options to sync video, import/export video formats, connect to satellite video feeds, connect to slave PT systems, etc. Those features are expensive, and do me no good. If I want, I can add them later, though. As long as I have lots of instruments and effects, I'm well equipped. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Reichel Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 12:17 PM To: MacVisionaries Subject: Re: any news on pro tools? Hi Justin, I believe its the protools HD7 package as far as I know. Chuck Reichel 954-742-0019 On May 29, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Slau Halatyn wrote: This is a perfect question for Avid to answer. It's best to contact them directly since they can answer further question that might come up after your first question is answered. Best, Slau On May 29, 2010, at 8:35 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: hi I have an interesting question which version of protools is the largest and comes with the most software this includes pluggins and vst instruments and so on thanks On May 28, 2010, at 8:30 AM, Slau Halatyn wrote: Hi Gary, There are a couple of ways to record enable, solo or mute tracks. One is by selecting a given track and pressing keyboard shortcuts. Another is to navigate through tracks and setting the individual controls as needed. For the most part, plug-ins are accessible including third party plug-ins. One of the testers did have a problem with G TR but Waves is apparently aware of the issue. Slau On May 28, 2010, at 7:51 AM, Gary Readfern-Gray wrote: Hi does anyone know if the accessibility includes selecting a given track and then changing settings on that track such as arming mute solo etc? I'm assuming that these basics are covered. I'm asking because in Sonar/Logic you first focus the track you want to adjust and then there are keys for adjusting panning etc. However, in protools, I can't find a way to say go to track 19 or go to the track called bass. I'm sure I heard that the plugins are also going to be accessible? wow, that would be awesome! Does anyone know if that includes 3rd-party plugins? I have Waves GTR and if I could get access to that properly, I'd be in guitar heaven! G On 5/28/10, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think it's Protools M Powered, I'll have to check. On 27/05/2010, at 10:33 in the Afternoon, Slau Halatyn wrote: For what it's worth, I have no idea what Pro Tools Essentials is. I can tell you categorically that Pro Tools HD, LE and M-Powered will be accessible. Pro Tools Essentials may or may not fall under that category. I have no idea, just to be clear. Cheers, Slau On May 27, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: Oh, thank you so much, I'll tell my reader. So for now, I'll just have someone help me with it until a couple weeks from now. I bought the one on disk, the $99 one that came with a mic, am I still entitled to a free download. Thanks so much, Courtney On 27/05/2010, at 7:09 in the Afternoon, Slau Halatyn wrote: version 8.0.4 will be the version that is accessible. You'll be entitled to a free download. Should be another couple of weeks. Slau On May 27, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, I just got Protools Friday, should it work with Snow Leopard and be accessible? I need it for my audio production class. Thanks, Courtney On 08/05/2010, at 9:01 in the morning, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: Thats great news. Perfect timing for me :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send
RE: Very cool voip
I tried to use this on my iPad. It would never sign in to my SIP provider. It sounded cool, but never functioned. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Nalda Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 7:36 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Very cool voip Cool! I've asked about this before and no one had heard of it. Another first app I get when I get my iPad. Heard a guy using on Leo LePorte the other day and he sounded really good. This could save me a boatload of money. On May 29, 2010, at 6:20 PM, louie wrote: Hi all, Whistle phone is very cool. You can make computer to land lines calls for free. The web site is: http://whistlephone.com/ You get a phone number so people can call you from there cell or land line. The first window that comes up is completely unaccessible. This is where you type in the number that you want to call. Fortunately if you copy a number to the clip board when you bring up the app just paste and press enter and it will dial your number. You can also use your address book to make calls. Enjoy. louie louiem...@wavecable.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) Pete Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: request for the logic scripts
One thing to keep in mind is that Logic, and Pro Tools too, for that matter, aren't and won't be like packages like Sonar/CakeTalking for Windows. The Logic scripts are a skelital effort to see even if things could be made to work at all. Nothing has been done to make it easy to learn or comprehend. You'll need to read the Logic manual, try to conceptualize what is happening visually, study the hot key and script reference, and experiment. If you think that you can just start it up and start poking around with hotkeys, or just skim the online help as needed, then you're going to get nothing but frustration. Logic is not Garage Band. It's full of concepts and tools that you've probably never heard of before, and is designed to give you lots of options, rather than to be as simplified as GB. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:37 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: request for the logic scripts Hmmm, seems after reading some of the readme file seems like ther are a lot of commands that do complex things but I'm not really seeing simple commands like to start recording from an input source...I guess I might figure that out once logic is installed. Ah well, I'll look at it and figure it out later. Thanks agian Cody On May 26, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Cameron wrote: Hi. yep, no problem. this was the last release as far as I am aware. Cameron. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:18 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: request for the logic scripts Thank you I'll give them a shot let me know if there is another copy you've got that perhaps might be better I'll give these a wurl. Thanks Cody On May 26, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Cameron wrote: Here you go. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2148514/Logic%20access%20V3.1.zip -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:27 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: request for the logic scripts As I said, if it was at all accessible, I would have heard about it long ago. So my original question stands. Where do I get these logic scripts On May 26, 2010, at 4:59 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Also, last i tested Reaper on the Mac it didn't work at all. I doubt the Mac version is accessible but if i'm wrong please correct me. /Krister 25 maj 2010 kl. 23.00 skrev Cody Hurst: Reaper? that is windows software, I have logic and want to use it and am looking for the scripts. I've used reaper on windows and do not like it. On May 25, 2010, at 4:57 PM, clarence griffin wrote: you should try reaper. its free and quite powerful. there is also screen reader support for 4 screen readers, that I know of so far. GF On May 25, 2010, at 3:31 PM, Cody Hurst wrote: Hi all, I've seen discussion on the list about some scripts for logic. I'd know to know what can be done with these scripts I.E. multi track editing and the capabilities of editting a single track at a time. Panning, volume, arm and unarm, etc. Can I also get some feedback on those who have used the scripts or hotkeys which ever you want to call them. I'm looking for something more professional than amadeus pro, and while I'm waiting on Pro tools to be released I'm hoping that I can do what I need until then. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
RE: an Imac and voiceover?
I'm not able to give estimates. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:09 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: an Imac and voiceover? Hi Brian, Thanks for the well informed post. This is exactly why I will wait to buy my new mac until after this edition of pro tools is already out, and available. I want to get as I did for my present setup, the best computer for my needs. The interface will not be a problem, I already have a digi 002, and am told by other sources that the unit will be supported in this up coming edition. Once it is here, I can get my new mac based on just what I will require to meet my professional needs. any estimate on when this is really happening? Karen On Wed, 19 May 2010, Bryan Smart wrote: Hi. The accessibility support for Pro Tools will be in an update to Pro Tools 8. In order to run Pro Tools 8, you need an Intel Mac (the Power PC support stopped with Pro Tools 7). You must be running Leopard (10.5.5) or later. Actually, you might need a later version than that for full accessibility support (can't comment on that yet). Of course, you'll also need a qualifying M-Audio interface to use M-Powered, or a Avid/Digi interface to run LE. Pro Tools HD, of course, is only compatible with Mac Pro. Beyond these requirements, the number of processor cores that are available on your computer, the processor's speed, the amount of memory, and the speed of your hard drive will affect how much you're actually able to do with Pro Tools. Pro Tools will run on a low-end iMac or Mini, for example, but the number of software instruments, effects, and tracks of audio will be limited. The single 5400 RPM hard drive in the Mini and on MacBooks will prevent you from using a large number of audio tracks, will cause software instruments to switch between instrument sounds slowly, and will generally result in a sluggish Pro Tools experience. You really need a dual 7200 RPM drive setup, or better, for best performance. If you plan to use a lot of software instruments, you should have 4GB of memory at minimum. Every effect or software instrument that you add to your project consumes CPU power. Lower-end machines will be able to taste all of the features, but will run out of power quickly as effects and instruments are added to a project. A higher-end iMac with an I5 or I7 processor, or a Mac Pro should be your choice if you intend to work with anything other than small projects. If you're serious about doing this, don't cheap out on a low-end machine. I've been talking to people on other lists that already have plans about how they plan to frankinhack Minis by replacing the internal drive, swapping out the optical drive for another HD, using an external drive as their second drive, etc. After they fully upgrade and retrofit their Mini, though, they could have just as well bought a nice iMac, with a far larger 3.5 form-factor drive and faster CPU. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:47 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: an Imac and voiceover? laughter! i was feeling the same. I got my answer long ago. Tiger is all this might do, making it not worth the upgrade, since as it is now it works fine for my personal needs. Once pro tools gives me a reason, I can simply get another machine. Kare On Wed, 19 May 2010, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: for the sake of everyones sanitty on the list, shal we just agree to disagree on this one Karren? To answer your original question, if the iMac has a 600mhz cpu, it will be able to run tiger (The first version of osx with voiceover) well enough but will not be able to run leopard or snow leopard - I am guessing that pt will require that you run leopard or sl for it to work when the new version comes out. You will be able to do a tiger install yourself since it is fully accessible, so perhaps you could use the iMac as a internet surfing machine running tiger to get used to vo when the time is right to purchase a new computer for pt? Iether way, good luck with pt, regardless of which version or computer your using. Cheers, Ben. On 19/05/2010, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Yes, that's correct. It depends on what configuration she has, but Leopard can use G4 and G5 867MHZ processors. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On May 19, 2010, at 1:51 AM, Ana G wrote: I just read a blog post on something else, and I noticed that one of the people who commented on the post said she had
RE: an Imac and voiceover?
Hi. The accessibility support for Pro Tools will be in an update to Pro Tools 8. In order to run Pro Tools 8, you need an Intel Mac (the Power PC support stopped with Pro Tools 7). You must be running Leopard (10.5.5) or later. Actually, you might need a later version than that for full accessibility support (can't comment on that yet). Of course, you'll also need a qualifying M-Audio interface to use M-Powered, or a Avid/Digi interface to run LE. Pro Tools HD, of course, is only compatible with Mac Pro. Beyond these requirements, the number of processor cores that are available on your computer, the processor's speed, the amount of memory, and the speed of your hard drive will affect how much you're actually able to do with Pro Tools. Pro Tools will run on a low-end iMac or Mini, for example, but the number of software instruments, effects, and tracks of audio will be limited. The single 5400 RPM hard drive in the Mini and on MacBooks will prevent you from using a large number of audio tracks, will cause software instruments to switch between instrument sounds slowly, and will generally result in a sluggish Pro Tools experience. You really need a dual 7200 RPM drive setup, or better, for best performance. If you plan to use a lot of software instruments, you should have 4GB of memory at minimum. Every effect or software instrument that you add to your project consumes CPU power. Lower-end machines will be able to taste all of the features, but will run out of power quickly as effects and instruments are added to a project. A higher-end iMac with an I5 or I7 processor, or a Mac Pro should be your choice if you intend to work with anything other than small projects. If you're serious about doing this, don't cheap out on a low-end machine. I've been talking to people on other lists that already have plans about how they plan to frankinhack Minis by replacing the internal drive, swapping out the optical drive for another HD, using an external drive as their second drive, etc. After they fully upgrade and retrofit their Mini, though, they could have just as well bought a nice iMac, with a far larger 3.5 form-factor drive and faster CPU. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:47 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: an Imac and voiceover? laughter! i was feeling the same. I got my answer long ago. Tiger is all this might do, making it not worth the upgrade, since as it is now it works fine for my personal needs. Once pro tools gives me a reason, I can simply get another machine. Kare On Wed, 19 May 2010, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: for the sake of everyones sanitty on the list, shal we just agree to disagree on this one Karren? To answer your original question, if the iMac has a 600mhz cpu, it will be able to run tiger (The first version of osx with voiceover) well enough but will not be able to run leopard or snow leopard - I am guessing that pt will require that you run leopard or sl for it to work when the new version comes out. You will be able to do a tiger install yourself since it is fully accessible, so perhaps you could use the iMac as a internet surfing machine running tiger to get used to vo when the time is right to purchase a new computer for pt? Iether way, good luck with pt, regardless of which version or computer your using. Cheers, Ben. On 19/05/2010, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Yes, that's correct. It depends on what configuration she has, but Leopard can use G4 and G5 867MHZ processors. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On May 19, 2010, at 1:51 AM, Ana G wrote: I just read a blog post on something else, and I noticed that one of the people who commented on the post said she had an iMac with Leopard. She didn't give any other details about her configuration, so I don't know how helpful this is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
RE: improvements for garage band with latest build of 10.6.4
10.6.3 was supposed to do something with VoiceOver, though no one could tell exactly what that something was. It would be real cool if Apple could include detailed change logs or something when a new OS version comes out. Maybe they do, but I haven't seen them. Anyone have one that lists VO changes in 10.6.3, for example? Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Yuma Antoine Decaux Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 12:11 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: improvements for garage band with latest build of 10.6.4 http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/14/apple_seeds_third_build_of_mac_os_x_10_6_4_to_developers.html THis seems interesting, but im more in the loop for the pro tools release due soon Yuma Decaux Light has no value without darkness Skype: shainobi1 blog: www.theblindsamurai.com twitter: www.twitter.com/triple7 Tel: +85513623378 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Jacob Nielsen article on testing the iPad
Pete, This is not a product review. It is a summary of an academic study. In the summary that you read, he isn't expressing his personal like or dislike for the iPad. His conclusion is based on the results of the testing of the people in his study. The way those tests work is they tell the person to do something, without telling them how, and they observe how the person tries to accomplish the task. How long it takes a person to accomplish a task, how many mistakes they make, and even things like their frustration level are logged. In user interface design, the goal is to design interfaces that work like people expect, not to train people to work a particular interface. Of course, nothing is always obvious to all people, but the goal is to make the operation as obvious to as many people as is possible. Some of this won't apply to blind people. VoiceOver gives blindies clues about what is clickable and what isn't. Sighted people don't have any automatic cues, like clickable things are circled or highlighted, though. As far as the buttons at the bottom, that might be obvious to you, but not necessarily obvious to a sighted person. In western language, flow starts at the top left, and continues down while scanning across each row. Even though sighted people can see an entire screen at once, they can't focus on all of it read it all at once. Since they're trained, through reading, to scan left to right, top to bottom, this is also the common pattern that they use to scan a screen like the iPad. Of course, any experienced iPad user will eventually learn to look to the bottom for buttons to switch between pages, but that is something that must be learned. The more obvious way to do it is to put tabs at the top of the window. A sighted person looking at cards in a card file, for example, will see labeled tabs sticking out of the top of the cards. That's why multi page dialog boxes on Windows and OSX display their dialogs this way. This whole left to right, top to bottom approach is also why the OSX menu bar is at the top of the screen, while the dock is at the bottom. Any user wondering where should I go next, or how do I get back to the screen that does that thing, will naturally start looking at the top of the screen. Beyond that, there are gesture reasons for the menu bar being up there, such as the mouse gesture for zipping to the top of the screen is very easy (just push the mouse away from you). By contrast, the dock, at the bottom, is the last thing they see. This is because you're likely to need to perform actions in the current program before you need to switch to another constantly. Also, the dock isn't extremely useful to sighted users, as most of them would just switch to another app by clicking a visible portion of one of the app's windows. Apple has very strong interface guidelines for designing desktop apps, but they aren't as strict, at least in that area, for mobile apps. So, he says that developers are left to their own ideas about how apps should work, and the result is that not everyone knows what to expect from app to app. Anyway, all that to say that this guy is an expert in user interface design, and his highly informed and tested conclusion is that better choices could have been made to make it so that the iPad's operation was more obvious to untrained people than it is now. Bryan On May 11, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: Thanks for the article. While he makes some valid points, I get the feeling he just doesn't like the iPad. That's ok, but the first thing he complains about is the dock. I had no problem noticing it myself. I think that anyone would be inclined to study the whole screen, and not just the top, and I'd bet that people would read reviews where they talk about it. Also that Tab Bar is called a Dock. The rest of the review just sort of follows this complaint. Also, he didn't even review the built in apps at all. What about ibooks? I'm sorry, I still get the idea he just wants to hate the iPad and for that matter probably hates Apple's way of doing things. On May 11, 2010, at 3:53 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi all, I don't know if many on this list will be familiar with the work of Jacob Nielsen. For those who don't know him, he's one of the foremost minds in the field of interaction design. Those who took (or are taking) computer science at University may have encountered his work during courses in HCI or User-Interaction design. He is well-known for the famous Nielsen's 10 heuristics which play a major part in interface design. Anyway he's done some testing on the iPad. I don't have one myself, and don't have a personal interest in getting one (though I may get one for my lab to do some projects on), but I thought the link below might interest some people on the list. http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ipad.html Enjoy, Dónal -- You received this
RE: Jacob Nielsen article on testing the iPad
You're right. It isn't a tab bar. However, lots of iPhone and iPad apps try to use it that way. Have you used the App Store or Skype? They put buttons at the bottom of the screen, where the dock should be, that are used for switching between pages of the current view (tabs). Those tab buttons should be at the top of the screen. Anyone that has seen how any other graphical user interface works would expect the layout to be like that. It wouldn't cost app developers anything in terms of screen space to just put the buttons at the top, instead of the bottom. Not sure why the trend started of putting them at the bottom. Apple doesn't say that they should, and it has probably become monkey see, monkey do, in terms of copying existing programs. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Nalda Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:32 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Jacob Nielsen article on testing the iPad Shoot! I'm not afraid to disagree with him, no matter who he is. Why not use proper naming when discussing a piece of technology? The Dock is not a Tab bar, and it is plainly visible. Also, it seems the article left out so much else of what the iPad has to offer. On May 11, 2010, at 9:20 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: It's an interesting read and I'm not about to disagree with someone like him. Thanks for the link; your right - he has come up in an hci module I've just finished. On 11/05/2010, olivia norman olivianor...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, I've heard of him, but haven't read his work previously. Thanks for sending. Olivia On May 11, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: Thanks for the article. While he makes some valid points, I get the feeling he just doesn't like the iPad. That's ok, but the first thing he complains about is the dock. I had no problem noticing it myself. I think that anyone would be inclined to study the whole screen, and not just the top, and I'd bet that people would read reviews where they talk about it. Also that Tab Bar is called a Dock. The rest of the review just sort of follows this complaint. Also, he didn't even review the built in apps at all. What about ibooks? I'm sorry, I still get the idea he just wants to hate the iPad and for that matter probably hates Apple's way of doing things. On May 11, 2010, at 3:53 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi all, I don't know if many on this list will be familiar with the work of Jacob Nielsen. For those who don't know him, he's one of the foremost minds in the field of interaction design. Those who took (or are taking) computer science at University may have encountered his work during courses in HCI or User-Interaction design. He is well-known for the famous Nielsen's 10 heuristics which play a major part in interface design. Anyway he's done some testing on the iPad. I don't have one myself, and don't have a personal interest in getting one (though I may get one for my lab to do some projects on), but I thought the link below might interest some people on the list. http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ipad.html Enjoy, Dónal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) Pete Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) Pete Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda -- You received this
RE: Mack Mini and Monitor?
But VGA will be low quality video. If you have an HD television, you won't get HD signal that way. Use HDMI first. If you can't use that, then use VGA, then composite, and finally component video (the worst). Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 4:03 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mack Mini and Monitor? Since your TV is kind of new it might have VGA inputs. Some do now days. If that's the case you can skip the VGA to NTSC converter box. If not, the converter has both RCA and SVideo (4-pin cable) outputs. Most TVs have SVideo these days. All the cables come with it. CB Courtney Curran wrote: This could be a dumb question, but my Tv's about 2 or 3 years old, does this matter? Thanks, Courtney On 07/05/2010, at 3:01 in the Afternoon, Chris Blouch wrote: It used to be that you could use a mini-DVI to NTSC to 'trick' the mini into thinking there was a monitor but that stopped working when Apple dropped the analog signals from their DVI implementation. Really, how many people still had ntsc or pal TVs and were going to hook them up to a mini? Well, I'm one of them so the best I could figure out was to get the miniDVI to VGA adapter and then a VGA to NTSC converter. Now my mini thinks there is a VGA display hooked up all the time, whether or not the TV is actually on. Whether you come out ahead cost wise doing this is another thing, but you'll probably want the VGA hook up anyway. So depending on which Mini you have you'll either needs the Apple Mini DVI to VGA adapter for $20 http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9320G/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY or the Apple DisplayPort to VGA adapter for $30 http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB572Z/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY I think newer Minis come with both so you could go with the cheaper MiniDVI to VGA adapter and then a VGA to NTSC adapter. I found a cheap one which runs off the USB power for $30 here: http://sewelldirect.com/pc-to-tv.asp Hope this helps. CB Bryan Smart wrote: If there was an FAQ for this list, the frustrating and repetitious subject of Minis and monitors would probably be at the top. I know that there is no reason to assume that newbies should know this, so there is no reason to blast them, but it gets so old covering this over and over again. We literally seem to have a thread about it 2 or 3 times a week. No, the Mini and VoiceOver won't work right without a monitor. Yes, that's why Safari and other apps always say that they're busy, busy, busy, busy. No, there is no adaptor that you can plug in to it that will fake a monitor being attached. No, the Mini isn't supposed to be a portable computer. No, Apple isn't going to do anything to fix this in the future, as far as we know. Don't feel bad, Courtney. Lots of other people assume, like you, that this will work. It doesn't. No way that you could know without asking in advance. Hope that this helps and saves time. Maybe this is reason #1 to start an FAQ for this list? Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Romack Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:46 PM To: MacVisionaries Subject: Re: Mack Mini and Monitor? A couple points to note here: Ben - Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Rude, much? Consider that new members join this list every day, and they aren't privi to previous threads, unless they have no social life and sit and read every message dated back to the conception of this list. Apple picked a name for this product line that draws the to the assumption that the computer is mini enough to be portable. Consider that not everyone is as informed as you. Okay? For the sake of this thread, and the notion that Ben may explode in a fiery ball of rage with what I am about to propose - what if an adapter was plugged
RE: Jacob Nielsen article on testing the iPad
Besides, he isn't saying that the iPad is crap. This is a guy that lives and sleeps user interface design. He's just always thinking about how it could be better. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:55 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Jacob Nielsen article on testing the iPad Hi, Keep in mind, the 7 people used in the studio had experience with an iPhone and 1 had been using an iPad for a week. So these people weren't completely in the dark when it came to using the UI found on the iPad On May 11, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: Ok. Yes I'll admit it was a Usability Study, and not a review. And I also agree that things could be changed to make it more usable to the masses, but, I think, also, that in this day and time, people are going to get a chance to experience some how it works information prior to sitting down with it. I also feel that there are very few products (especially computers) that are automatically useable out of the box without some form of study. That's why there are quick start guides and the like. Also, I think that the majority of iPad buyers will have had experience with another Apple product, thus allowing them the ability to figure out the interface. On May 11, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: Pete, This is not a product review. It is a summary of an academic study. In the summary that you read, he isn't expressing his personal like or dislike for the iPad. His conclusion is based on the results of the testing of the people in his study. The way those tests work is they tell the person to do something, without telling them how, and they observe how the person tries to accomplish the task. How long it takes a person to accomplish a task, how many mistakes they make, and even things like their frustration level are logged. In user interface design, the goal is to design interfaces that work like people expect, not to train people to work a particular interface. Of course, nothing is always obvious to all people, but the goal is to make the operation as obvious to as many people as is possible. Some of this won't apply to blind people. VoiceOver gives blindies clues about what is clickable and what isn't. Sighted people don't have any automatic cues, like clickable things are circled or highlighted, though. As far as the buttons at the bottom, that might be obvious to you, but not necessarily obvious to a sighted person. In western language, flow starts at the top left, and continues down while scanning across each row. Even though sighted people can see an entire screen at once, they can't focus on all of it read it all at once. Since they're trained, through reading, to scan left to right, top to bottom, this is also the common pattern that they use to scan a screen like the iPad. Of course, any experienced iPad user will eventually learn to look to the bottom for buttons to switch between pages, but that is something that must be learned. The more obvious way to do it is to put tabs at the top of the window. A sighted person looking at cards in a card file, for example, will see labeled tabs sticking out of the top of the cards. That's why multi page dialog boxes on Windows and OSX display their dialogs this way. This whole left to right, top to bottom approach is also why the OSX menu bar is at the top of the screen, while the dock is at the bottom. Any user wondering where should I go next, or how do I get back to the screen that does that thing, will naturally start looking at the top of the screen. Beyond that, there are gesture reasons for the menu bar being up there, such as the mouse gesture for zipping to the top of the screen is very easy (just push the mouse away from you). By contrast, the dock, at the bottom, is the last thing they see. This is because you're likely to need to perform actions in the current program before you need to switch to another constantly. Also, the dock isn't extremely useful to sighted users, as most of them would just switch to another app by clicking a visible portion of one of the app's windows. Apple has very strong interface guidelines for designing desktop apps, but they aren't as strict, at least in that area, for mobile apps. So, he says that developers are left to their own ideas about how apps should work, and the result is that not everyone knows what to expect from app to app. Anyway, all that to say that this guy is an expert in user interface design, and his highly informed and tested conclusion is that better choices could have been made to make it so that the iPad's operation was more obvious to untrained people than it is now. Bryan On May 11, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: Thanks for the article. While he makes
RE: Here is a new iPad VoiceOver bug
I noticed that, on my iPad, the hiss is there, even if VoiceOver is off. When I first start the iPad, if I immediately lock the screen, the speaker will shut off in about 10 seconds. That's fine. After I've toggled VoiceOver on/off once, from that point forward, when the screen is locked, the hiss continues indefinitely. The iPad is supposed to be able to run for a long time just playng music (with the basic audio hardware running), but it sucks to have this drain going on when you're not even doing anything with it. I'm not sure that VoiceOver is directly involved, but VoiceOver influences it. The iPad has a very thin usage statistics screen. It only shows me how much 3G data I've used. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 4:16 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Here is a new iPad VoiceOver bug Hello Marie, Some people can hear a hiss from the iPhone when it is supposed to be in Standby mode. They can also hear a sound when they press the volume control. You can check whether your iPhone is going into Standby mode by looking at the Usage statistics (Settings, General, Usage). If your Usage and Standby are the same, you have the problem, if they are different, your iPhone is working correctly. I get about 8 hours constant usage out of my iPhone, which usually works out at between 2 and 4 days between charges. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Here is a new iPad VoiceOver bug
It is possible. There could be some small OS revision between the Wi-Fi and 3G that introduced a problem. It is, like you say also possible that something might be a bit electronically off with my touch screen. This is the only iPad that I've ever used, other than a brief play with one at a Best Buy, so I don't know if the behavior of mine is atypical or not. It is frustrating, though. If I knew that I could swap it to resolve the problem, that would work. If I knew it was just a software problem that could be resolved soon, that might be fine, also. I just don't know. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:58 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Here is a new iPad VoiceOver bug Maybe we haven't heard about it because he is using the 3g model of the iPad. Every voiceover related review and podcast I have come across had featured the wifi model. So, Maybe the behavior Bryan is experiencing is only on the 3g model. Or it could just be his model imparticular. On May 9, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Bryan, Nice to know your the only one. :) So, have you brought your concerns to Apple's attention? The issue with the words being cut off is not a result of the iPad implementation. This is very apparent on the iPhone and I am quite certain the iPod Touch as well. It is an issue with the speech and I have filed this issue quite a while back and hope it will be addressed in the next version. I will be curious if others have experienced your issue and I find it hard to believe that if this is a bug, that no one else would have mentioned it. So, hopefully if it is a bug, people report it and I am sure Apple did not rush the product to market. You know that most products pushed out the door will have some issues that may not have been found. However, you are correct, I have not read anything about what your experiencing, which is interesting. On May 8, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: OK, those of you with iPads, check this out. I've noticed how swiping just doesn't work sometimes on my iPad. I thought, hey, maybe it's me. It wasn't like this on my iPhone, though. I thought, maybe the screen is just not as good. Turns out, though, VoiceOver just isn't as good. I finally have a way to consistently show this crud. Wish that I could come up with good repros for the other problems, though. Anyway, here is a good example of swiping not working. Go in to settings. Double-tap Wi-Fi. Now, on the right side, double-tap the on/off switch on the right side of the screen. Now, try just once to swipe. Nothing will happen. If you try again, you'll be swiping just fine. Return to the switch, though. Double-tap to toggle it. Swipe once. Nothing will happen. Double-tap to toggle it again. Swipe once, again. Nothing will happen. The thing is, each time you toggle any switch, not just this once, swiping doesn't work the first time that you try. Not only with switches, this happens with radio button type controls where you select one in a group. Exploring further, I discovered that, for most things you do, the first attempt to swipe doesn't work. In Safari, when a new page loads, the first time I swipe never results in focus moving. In settings, when I double-tap a button on the left to show another category of settings, the first swipe never moves the focus. This isn't the case in absolutely every place on the iPad (the home screen isn't like this), but it is very prevalent, and I can make it happen over and over again. I'm only mentioning these apps because these are the ones that everyone else has to try the repro. Between this, and the deal with the screen not refreshing to VoiceOver, I'm starting to understand why it seemed like the interface wasn't responding like I'm used to with the iPhone and the MBP track pad. I feel like I'm fumbling a lot trying to get things to work, rather than being able to follow consistent patterns to get to where I want to be. Now that I know what's happening, I should have better luck, I guess. Like, every time I press a button, I have to make a fake swipe before I start to swipe for real. Today, while reading a web page, I also had the speech totally die. I would still hear the VoiceOver navigation sounds as I moved around, but no speech. Fortunately, I can always use the triple-tap home key approach to cycle VoiceOver off and on, but, as I was doing so, I couldn't help thinking of how constantly having to reload a screen reader is supposed to be par for the course in the Windows world. I couldn't help but angrily think how it seems that Apple has finally brought that feature to the iPad, also. I suppose it's to their credit that I don't expect this on OSX and the iPhone, but I really like not having
RE: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
I know we love our iPhones here, but to act like Nokia is terrified and on the ropes is silly. Do you know that 2 out of every 5 smartphones in the world are Nokias. Their 40% market share is mamoth when compared to Apple's 17%. BlackBerries stil out-sell iPhones. It's great that Apple sold nearly 9,000,000 iPhones last quarter, but, in the same time, Nokia sold 21,000,000. As big as the iPhone is here in the US, I think that a lot of people forget just how popular Nokia is nearly everywhere else in the world. These patent battles happen all of the time. Qualcom was the big focus a few years ago. Nokia and Apple will maneuver for a while, they'll come to some agreement that I won't sue you for this patent if you don't sue me for that one, and then they'll both try to take a swing at RIM. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:07 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents and that is the point. Nokia's suffering so what do they do, hit the company that potentially has the most money. On 9 May 2010, at 11:49, Kaare Dehard wrote: sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia right now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha fat lisencing contract. On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you. On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents NOKIA Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents. The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design. Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile devices said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. We have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation. During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong patent portfolio. About Nokia At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally. FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C) expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D) expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share, prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and threatened litigation; G) expectations regarding the successful completion of acquisitions or restructurings on a
RE: Here is a new iPad VoiceOver bug
Did you try to follow my instructions? If you did, what happened, exactly? Also, I have the 3G iPad. Do you have just the Wi-Fi model? Maybe the OS is slightly different? Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 10:21 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Here is a new iPad VoiceOver bug Interesting I haven't noticed these issues. My ipad works well with VoiceOver not sure why! Olivia Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote: OK, those of you with iPads, check this out. I've noticed how swiping just doesn't work sometimes on my iPad. I thought, hey, maybe it's me. It wasn't like this on my iPhone, though. I thought, maybe the screen is just not as good. Turns out, though, VoiceOver just isn't as good. I finally have a way to consistently show this crud. Wish that I could come up with good repros for the other problems, though. Anyway, here is a good example of swiping not working. Go in to settings. Double-tap Wi-Fi. Now, on the right side, double-tap the on/off switch on the right side of the screen. Now, try just once to swipe. Nothing will happen. If you try again, you'll be swiping just fine. Return to the switch, though. Double-tap to toggle it. Swipe once. Nothing will happen. Double-tap to toggle it again. Swipe once, again. Nothing will happen. The thing is, each time you toggle any switch, not just this once, swiping doesn't work the first time that you try. Not only with switches, this happens with radio button type controls where you select one in a group. Exploring further, I discovered that, for most things you do, the first attempt to swipe doesn't work. In Safari, when a new page loads, the first time I swipe never results in focus moving. In settings, when I double-tap a button on the left to show another category of settings, the first swipe never moves the focus. This isn't the case in absolutely every place on the iPad (the home screen isn't like this), but it is very prevalent, and I can make it happen over and over again. I'm only mentioning these apps because these are the ones that everyone else has to try the repro. Between this, and the deal with the screen not refreshing to VoiceOver, I'm starting to understand why it seemed like the interface wasn't responding like I'm used to with the iPhone and the MBP track pad. I feel like I'm fumbling a lot trying to get things to work, rather than being able to follow consistent patterns to get to where I want to be. Now that I know what's happening, I should have better luck, I guess. Like, every time I press a button, I have to make a fake swipe before I start to swipe for real. Today, while reading a web page, I also had the speech totally die. I would still hear the VoiceOver navigation sounds as I moved around, but no speech. Fortunately, I can always use the triple-tap home key approach to cycle VoiceOver off and on, but, as I was doing so, I couldn't help thinking of how constantly having to reload a screen reader is supposed to be par for the course in the Windows world. I couldn't help but angrily think how it seems that Apple has finally brought that feature to the iPad, also. I suppose it's to their credit that I don't expect this on OSX and the iPhone, but I really like not having an unstable screen reader. I can't say that I've never had to toggle VO on OSX, but that is pretty rare. I've had to do that quite a little bit on the iPad to work out various problems. The speech, in general, seems like its been tweaked for the iPad. Maybe that's why it chops off the ends of some words when running at full speed. Oh, and don't forget the bug with the speaker constantly running, draining your battery while you sleep. What's the deal? Was this thing rushed? Is the iPad running some hacked intermediate version of VoiceOver? As I said in my other thread, I've already setup a return for the iPad. I'll be sending it back on Tuesday. We barely have 14 days to kick the tires on it before the return period is up. I'm not really happy about how things have gone so far. I'm also really surprised that, so far, I seem to be the only one that has found iPad VO bugs. These haven't been hard to find. Maybe others have, and just haven't said so, or I haven't noticed their reports. Still, I've had mine for just over a week. Other people have had the iPad for a month. Blindness orgs have reviewed it. Has just no one else noticed any of these? Maybe, like me, you just feel that the user interface doesn't respond correctly, and don't know why/can't give a repro. Supposedly, the only updates that will be available are new OS versions. The next one is supposed to come out in the fall
RE: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
The article says -- During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. -- Not 11,000 patents, but 11,000 patent families. Probably way, way more patents. Microsoft, Apple, and IBM also have patent libraries that you wouldn't believe. They're held in reserve like strategic nuclear weapons. If you make a widget with a button on it, IBM probably owns a patent, coiling kinetic energy storage system to inhibit task activation, I.E. the spring in your button. If you use a membrane panel instead, Nokia probably owns a patent, polymer device for inhibiting closed electrical circuit through conical relief cells. You might not know that, and go on building your widgets for a while. They might not even care. One day, though, if they want you out of business, they'll show up, demand a licensing fee for your springs, and, if you don't pay, they'll file and injunction and take away your springs. If you switch to membranes, they'll sue your supplier for patent infringement. If you think that sounds crazy, then you'll have to prove it in court. By the time you do, you'll be out of money, and they'll be back to business as usual. Although, after going after Nokia with some silly obvious patents, Apple deserves to get a little taste of its own medicine. Nokia doesn't expect to win. They are just telling Apple that, if they don't drop their claims, Nokia can make life very unpleasant for them. The patent system needs to die. It's just a way to shut the small guy out while giving the big boys tools to use for threatening each other and forming alliances of threat. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 5:54 PM To: mac vissionaries Subject: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents NOKIA Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents. The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design. Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile devices said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. We have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation. During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong patent portfolio. About Nokia At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally. FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C) expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D) expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share, prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and threatened litigation; G) expectations
RE: Accessible iPhone/iPad apps and refunds
Right, ratings are fine. If I know that an app scores 2 out of 5 in accessibility reviews, I have no reason to expect it to work perfectly, but I can expect that at least some part of it will be minimally usable. If it gets a 1, though, it is a safe bet that I'm not going to be able to do anything at all with it. I know that Apple doesn't have any control over what 3rd party developers do with regard to accessibility. If we had ratings to at least know what we're getting in to before hand, that would be fine. If we could get a refund if we tried something and it didn't work, that would be fine, also. Right now, though, we have no advance information regarding how well an app will work, and, if it doesn't, we don't get a refund. This isn't Apple being cruel and insensitive, so no need to blame them. Something should be done, in fairness, though. Even though they aren't creating the problem, it is their App Store, the only way to get software for these devices legally, and so they're the only ones with power to do anything about it. It is easy to say live and let live, but perhaps after you buy a few iPad apps for $10 each, and realize that you might has well have ripped up $40 or $50 and thrown it in the trash, you'll feel that this is worth effort. After all, if you bought something at a store, brought it home, and figured out that it didn't work, you'd take it back and get your money. This isn't like traditional software purchases where, once a box is open, you can't return the software, as there is no way to know that you haven't returned the box while leaving the software installed on your computer. Apple has all of this digital rights management stuff on the iPhone and iPad so that they can control what you put on it, and even disable programs that you've already purchased. They absolutely have the power to grant refunds and turn off the copy that you already purchased. However, I'm not so much for refunds, as I am for ratings. If I spent $10 on someone's completely inaccessible program, at least I could get the satisfaction of sticking a 1 star rating on their app store page. All prospective customers see that, so it might get their attention, and they might decide to do something about it, at least. Right now, even though the app developer hasn't specifically passed over accessibility to spite me or you, I still feel like a sucker for having spent money that I can't get back for something that I can't use. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 5:10 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Accessible iPhone/iPad apps and refunds Hi, That is why I suggested a rating system with categories. For example, labeled buttons would be one of the criteria for the rating system. Let the users define accessibility by essentially voting on a few general components that make up over all accessibility for an iPhone app. On May 6, 2010, at 11:06 PM, John J Herzog wrote: I see a problem with this philosophy. Different people view accessibility in different ways. For instance, some people would not consider the workout application posted to this list accessible because of a few unlabeled buttons. Others would be fine with it. Similarly, I have a few games on the IPod, where the introductory screens work with voiceover, and then you turn it off to play the actual game. Action bowling comes to mind. What is apple to do? How should they define accessibility? Do they give all who complain refunds, even though some complaints are more genuine and reasonable than others? Do they say that, if a certain number of buttons aren't labeled, the app is inaccessible? Do they say that, if you cannot play a game with voiceover on, then all blind people should get their money back? I know that it sucks to pay for apps which are unusable by and large. But this accessibility criteria for refunds on apps is going to cause a lot of problems. And, more importantly, I worry that if we have people constantly holding apple to different standards of accessibility, it might sideline any further efforts they put into improving the platform for blind users. Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot here. John On May 6, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: Absolutely. Anyone on the list with an iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch, please write to complain. It isn't write for Apple to not give us info about an app's accessibility, give us no way to evaluate that accessibility for ourselves, force us to buy the app in order to find out, and then deny us a refund if it isn't accessible. We should either be given a way to know how accessible an app is in advance, or be given the option of a refund if we find that an app isn't accessible after purchasing it. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries
Accessible iPhone/iPad apps and refunds
Hi. There are so many apps available. As we know, some are completely accessible, some are accessible with some workarounds, and some not at all. With free apps, this isn't a problem. You install them, check them out, and, if they aren't accessible, you can just delete them. With paid apps, though, the situation is different. There are some accessibility reviews of some apps, but only a fraction of what's available. Since hardly any of the apps offer demos, we must buy the app, and risk that the purchase will be wasted on an app that we can't even use. When the app only costs $0.99, like some iPhone apps, that isn't so bad, but iPad apps can cost $5, $10, and even more in some cases. I think that Apple should take some small steps to accommodate us. Not only is it a sorry situation when one of us purchases an app that we discover to be inaccessible, but, for some people, having a few such experiences will trim back on their willingness to push that buy button in the future. Pressing the buy button should not feel like a roll of the dice. I suggest: 1. The App Store should provide some way for people to rate the accessibility of an app. A 5 star system, similar to how apps are rated in general might be nice. 2. There should be some way that customers can optionally restrict the App Store to showing only accessible applications. If people would like to explore new apps, that's fine, but, if they just want to look at what is known to be accessible, they should have that option. 3. Customers should be able to receive refunds for apps that they can't use. Since the app store provides no indication of how accessible a program is, and there is usually no way to try the program first, we should be able to get a refund if we can't use our purchase. What do you all think? What can be done? I've purchased a few apps that are completely inaccessible. For example, I purchased Korg Electribe, a beat making program, for $10. Can't use it at all. Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Accessible iPhone/iPad apps and refunds
Absolutely. Anyone on the list with an iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch, please write to complain. It isn't write for Apple to not give us info about an app's accessibility, give us no way to evaluate that accessibility for ourselves, force us to buy the app in order to find out, and then deny us a refund if it isn't accessible. We should either be given a way to know how accessible an app is in advance, or be given the option of a refund if we find that an app isn't accessible after purchasing it. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:29 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Accessible iPhone/iPad apps and refunds Hi Bryan; I for one, agree with you whole-heartedly. I've actually been in touch with Apple about this in the past, and my contacts also felt it would be a good idea, however, as yet nothing has seemingly happened with it. I'd encourage you and anyone else interested to email accessibil...@apple.com with these concerns / suggestions. I know this sounds like a blow-off, but it really isn't! lol! I think more of us just need to be nicely and politely making these points heard, that's all, and that email addie is the best way I know, to do it. smile Anyway, I'd surely like this situation to improve as well. Thanks so much for posting!!!... SMiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On May 6, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: Hi. There are so many apps available. As we know, some are completely accessible, some are accessible with some workarounds, and some not at all. With free apps, this isn't a problem. You install them, check them out, and, if they aren't accessible, you can just delete them. With paid apps, though, the situation is different. There are some accessibility reviews of some apps, but only a fraction of what's available. Since hardly any of the apps offer demos, we must buy the app, and risk that the purchase will be wasted on an app that we can't even use. When the app only costs $0.99, like some iPhone apps, that isn't so bad, but iPad apps can cost $5, $10, and even more in some cases. I think that Apple should take some small steps to accommodate us. Not only is it a sorry situation when one of us purchases an app that we discover to be inaccessible, but, for some people, having a few such experiences will trim back on their willingness to push that buy button in the future. Pressing the buy button should not feel like a roll of the dice. I suggest: 1. The App Store should provide some way for people to rate the accessibility of an app. A 5 star system, similar to how apps are rated in general might be nice. 2. There should be some way that customers can optionally restrict the App Store to showing only accessible applications. If people would like to explore new apps, that's fine, but, if they just want to look at what is known to be accessible, they should have that option. 3. Customers should be able to receive refunds for apps that they can't use. Since the app store provides no indication of how accessible a program is, and there is usually no way to try the program first, we should be able to get a refund if we can't use our purchase. What do you all think? What can be done? I've purchased a few apps that are completely inaccessible. For example, I purchased Korg Electribe, a beat making program, for $10. Can't use it at all. Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Mack Mini and Monitor?
If there was an FAQ for this list, the frustrating and repetitious subject of Minis and monitors would probably be at the top. I know that there is no reason to assume that newbies should know this, so there is no reason to blast them, but it gets so old covering this over and over again. We literally seem to have a thread about it 2 or 3 times a week. No, the Mini and VoiceOver won't work right without a monitor. Yes, that's why Safari and other apps always say that they're busy, busy, busy, busy. No, there is no adaptor that you can plug in to it that will fake a monitor being attached. No, the Mini isn't supposed to be a portable computer. No, Apple isn't going to do anything to fix this in the future, as far as we know. Don't feel bad, Courtney. Lots of other people assume, like you, that this will work. It doesn't. No way that you could know without asking in advance. Hope that this helps and saves time. Maybe this is reason #1 to start an FAQ for this list? Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Romack Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:46 PM To: MacVisionaries Subject: Re: Mack Mini and Monitor? A couple points to note here: Ben - Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Rude, much? Consider that new members join this list every day, and they aren't privi to previous threads, unless they have no social life and sit and read every message dated back to the conception of this list. Apple picked a name for this product line that draws the to the assumption that the computer is mini enough to be portable. Consider that not everyone is as informed as you. Okay? For the sake of this thread, and the notion that Ben may explode in a fiery ball of rage with what I am about to propose - what if an adapter was plugged into the display port of the Mini, but no display was actually attached? Could one purchase some sort of VGA-to-RCA adapter (if one such adapter exists), and plug it into something portable that receives RCA-in? Just a thought from an ignorant Apple- head. romack www.justinromack.com twitter.com/justinromack On May 6, 8:00 am, Neil James nei...@gmail.com wrote: Ben, if you had read the post more carefully, perhaps you wouldn't have been so quick to fly off the handle? The question was if there exists a portable monitor not how portable the mini is. To answer the original question though, the smallest monitor I have come across, was a screen size of 12 inches, so while doable, it isn't exactly a portable monitor. Neil - Original Message - From: Ben Mustill-Rose bmustillr...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: Mack Mini and Monitor? Not portable in the sense that you could carry it to work. How many times do we have to say to people that a mini is not portable? On 05/05/2010, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Since a new Mack mini apparently must have a monitor, are there any portable monitors like USB monitors or something. I take my Mack mini to work a lot. I'm not using any monitor now, Safari seems busy a lot, but is still very functional. Thanks, Courtney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5090 (20100506) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5090 (20100506) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
RE: making dvd player in the newest incarnation of the mackbook pro region free
Sorry, but that isn't possible, by design. You're supposed to be locked to one region. That's so, for example, that Japanese publishers can overcharge people in the U. S. for imported DVDs, and so that Hollywood can make Europeans wait months after a U. S. release before they can buy a playable movie. That's the whole point of region control, so they can control what each region can see, when they can see it, and how much they'll pay to see it. If you're not happy about that situation, may I suggest UTorrent? Hey, it isn't copyright infringement if you already own it. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of DJ Nezumi Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:16 PM To: MacVisionaries Subject: making dvd player in the newest incarnation of the mackbook pro region free hi all i was wondering does anyone have any advice on how to make my dvd player region free? i have both dvds from the UK and US and at the moment i can't watch say for example dvds from the UK because my drive region has to be changed but i can only do this a number of times i would be vary greatful if anyone has any advice thanks Liam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Returning my iPad
Absolutely. I'm not trying to discourage people from having a look and judging for themselves. I think that an iPad would make more sense for me if I wasn't going to use an iPhone. If you like Symbian or Windows Mobile for a phone, then the iPad would give you a good way to get in on the iPhone apps and other benefits. A Touch really wouldn't do that, since it doesn't have 3G data or GPS. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 10:41 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Returning my iPad The truth is, the iPhone isn't for everyone, the mac isn't for everyone and the iPad is no exception to that rule. I have to say, I still am going to purchase the iPad when it comes to the UK. I think everyone should think about what everyone has said in regards to any products but ultimately make their own decisions. On 5 May 2010, at 13:42, Donna Goodin wrote: I second all this. I hadn't planned on purchasing an iPad, but appreciated reading your review, Brian. Very nicely done. Best, Donna On May 5, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Very good review, It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad. It was well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon. I hope even the people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us. Pleas. lol. I hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, respectful, and concise manor. I think the list would benefit greatly from such a post instead of a emotion filled rant. lol On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that is always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position of known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would have a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours using apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the power away. The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for a very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, and the battery just keeps on going. Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the tech behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, though, as a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an iPad or iPhone speaker. I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the screen with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to jump to some random position on the screen. This is particularly frustrating because there is so much content on an iPad screen. If you navigate through controls by swiping, you'll be swiping and swiping and swiping and swiping to get to where you'd like. Of course, you can directly explore with your finger, but I've noticed that, in several places (like the App Store and Safari), tapping somewhere doesn't necessarily mean that swiping will continue from that point. In many places, I'll tap at a point on the screen, but, when I start swiping, VoiceOver will always start from the top of the screen. So, in those situations, if you accidentally touch the screen with some other skin while swiping, or if VoiceOver
RE: Returning my iPad
You are very right that, for a low vision user, the iPad would be superior because of the larger screen. I left out the Touch because it lacks 3G data and GPS. Without those, many of the possibilities of apps are cut out. The technology is impressive. The question is, in what form factor would it best serve you? Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Nalda Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 1:19 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Returning my iPad I think his review is nice enough from a VoiceOver only perspective, but there are people out there I think that are visually impaired who want the device because of it's larger size for Zooming. The only fault I've found in this area is working with the keyboard. He also left out the option of the ipod touch. It was either iphone or iPad for him. On May 5, 2010, at 1:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Very good review, It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad. It was well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon. I hope even the people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us. Pleas. lol. I hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, respectful, and concise manor. I think the list would benefit greatly from such a post instead of a emotion filled rant. lol On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that is always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position of known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would have a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours using apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the power away. The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for a very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, and the battery just keeps on going. Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the tech behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, though, as a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an iPad or iPhone speaker. I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the screen with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to jump to some random position on the screen. This is particularly frustrating because there is so much content on an iPad screen. If you navigate through controls by swiping, you'll be swiping and swiping and swiping and swiping to get to where you'd like. Of course, you can directly explore with your finger, but I've noticed that, in several places (like the App Store and Safari), tapping somewhere doesn't necessarily mean that swiping will continue from that point. In many places, I'll tap at a point on the screen, but, when I start swiping, VoiceOver will always start from the top of the screen. So, in those situations, if you accidentally touch the screen with some other skin while swiping, or if VoiceOver mistakenly interprets a swipe as a tap, then you'll lose your place, and need to start from the top of the screen. In the App Store in particular, I've swiped myself to frustration. The size of the screen is also not convenient
