date:20150903


On the OM603 turbo the intake manifold hangs over the IP, GPs, Alda etc.

The crossflow head is more effecient than the olderintake/exhause on 
the same side, but that makes the engine more servicable.


My experience with turbodiesels is limited to the VW quantum (never 
touched anything related to the turbo) and the OM603.  I only briefly 
owned a Calif 85 OM617 i took in trade until I sold it.  I never 
drove it on the road.  I didn't want to own an 85 Calif 300D.


I've never had a OM601 or 602 turbo.   Ask me about OM621, 616 and 
603, and I can answer.



Gotcha.

So this is the engine with the intake that loops over the top of the 
engine and makes stuff hard to get to?


My diesel experience ended wit the M617.

I often recall tweaking the ALDA on these engines.  Such a nice bump 
performance-wise.  The 85 300CD I had would chirp the tires in 
second gear after I tuned up the ALDA.


Dan



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

2015-09-03 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes

Inrush current.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 15:46:18 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com; fmi...@gmail.com
> 
> Thanks - that helps.  I wonder why there is no simple kit that goes from PV
> to 110 V without all the interconnecting parapernalia, battery, inverters,
> etc.
> 
  
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Re: [MBZ] Alda shim WUZ: 300SDL?

All 60x engines have the intake that loops over the top of the IP. I think only 
the 603 loops over the top of the engine.
-Curt
  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Okie Benz  
Cc: Dan Penoff  
 Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 2:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alda shim WUZ: 300SDL?
   
Gotcha.

So this is the engine with the intake that loops over the top of the engine and 
makes stuff hard to get to?

My diesel experience ended wit the M617.

I often recall tweaking the ALDA on these engines.  Such a nice bump 
performance-wise.  The 85 300CD I had would chirp the tires in second gear 
after I tuned up the ALDA.

Dan



> On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> No, there is still the screw, but you have to take off the inhalt manifold to 
> get there. Simpler to take the alda loose, drop in a shim and put the alda 
> back on.  Test drive.
> 
> On a OM617, where
> 
> The mechanism gets worn to beyond what the screw can adjust.  We are talking 
> 30 year old cars now. The screw is still the official best way to do it, and 
> if you don't mind spending a few thou for a new IP on a sub-$1000 heap, the 
> screw is the preferred way to do it.  But when you don't have an intake 
> manifold gasket and parts take a week to get delivered or when the car is 
> high mile and the screw may well be at the end of adjustment, a shim works.  
> It might give you back some adjustment
> 
> In the case of my 300D, if i'd wanted to take off the manifold, have the car 
> down a week waiting for parts, and adjust the screw,  I may have been able to 
> fine tune the fuel delivery with the screw, or put in the shim and then gain 
> adjustment range with the screw.
> 
> In the case of the heap, I doubt the screw was ever adjusted in 29 years, 
> because the seal cap was still on top of the ALda.  I could see it, but you 
> can't adjust the screw with the manifold on anyway, so i left it alone.
> 
> BTW, I change the Glow plugs with the manifold on too.  Faster and cheaper 
> that way.
> 
> A big positive for these methods is that you DON"T have to break open the 
> injector lines, and risk introducing fine particles into the injection system 
> to damage or ruin the nozzles.
> 
> Personally, I have never adjusted the screw. They either run or are sluggish. 
>  Most of the time the sluggisnness is cured by blowing out the vacuum line to 
> the manifold.  In this case, that made no difference, and never a puff of 
> soot when the turbo kicks in.  it felt like the turbo never kicks in.  So, 
> time for a shim.  Since I rarely drive the heap out of town, the shim was a 
> low priority.
> 
> The heap is more fun to drive now.  Last week I beat out a fairly hot car at 
> a stoplight.  That's never happened before.  It could not beat a 240D 4 speed 
> before.
> 
> 
>> So in order to adjust the ALDA on the 603, you have to shim it as opposed to 
>> adjusting a screw like on the 617?
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There were posts, and I think a McMaster part number for that some years 
>>> ago.  Not having a mcmaster any where near, and not wanting to pay $10 
>>> shipping for a 50¢ part, I take the copper washer for the OM603 (124) oil 
>>> filter center bolt, as they are not used in the SDL, then put that copper 
>>> washer over a needlenose pliers, and pull the pliers apart, stretching the 
>>> washer oval.  Turn 90º and repeat.  repeat until the washer is big enough 
>>> to fit over the alda guts, but still small enough to fit inside the threads.
>>> 
>>> A ring sizer or other  tapered round is good for changing it back in to a 
>>> circle from the oval.  I don't have a ring sizer, so  I just do the best I 
>>> can with the needlenose pliers.  It is not an exact science.
>>> 
>>> This results in a copper washer about 1/16" thick and maybe 2 mm wide in 
>>> cross section.
>>> 
>>> There ore other ways to do it, but since I always have oil filters, one of 
>>> these washers is always handy.  I throw the copper washers/rings etc I 
>>> don't use into a can near the oil filter stash
>>> 
>>> I tried on in the 300D one tme, but it was overkill, so I took it out and 
>>> jest left it the way it was.  That car had only about 200K miles at the 
>>> time, so not too badly worn.  The winter heap SDL has about 500k miles.
>>> 
>>> If you had a steel ring sizer and a brass hammer, you can stretch the 
>>> washer with those tools by tap and turn the same as a jeweler enlarges a 
>>> ring.
>>> 
>>> 
 Curly, is there a standard thickness for the proper shim, or do you use 
 the Booth method?
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
> On September 3, 2015 10:31:46 AM EDT, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I just shimmed the alda in my winter heap (finally)

Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application


How long is it going to be in use?
I assumed that your seedling warming is only for a short time.
Why would she object to the use of a cord for such a short term purpose?

RB

On 03/09/2015 2:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Extension cord from the house to the shed would be vetoed immediately by
SWMBO.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:


Thanks - that helps.  I wonder why there is no simple kit that goes from
PV to 110 V without all the interconnecting parapernalia, battery,
inverters, etc.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 3:46 PM, fmiser via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] UST cleanup

Time was you could fill it with sand and leave it in place but I think today 
its gotta be drained and hauled outta there...
-Curt
  From: Mountain Man via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Mountain Man  
 Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 4:36 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] UST cleanup

I guess I have known about the UST (Underground Storage Tank) outside
here, but the property is changing owners and so I guess they require
an environmental inspection.  I had forgotten the UST so I didn't
mention it over the past weeks of lookers.

Aside from the expensive excavation and verification of no leak, does
anyone here have experience with alternative clean-up methonds?
Perhaps a good environmental concoction of good bugs and a cleaning
might be less damaging to the property?
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 300SDL?

No, just considering this as a second car if the price would be right.

Why, you want the S430?

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again:

After the W140 Mercedes became a commodity, I think.  The styling does nothing 
to distinguish the cars from any others on the road.  The fit and finish isn’t 
that great, and the build quality is so-so.  Interiors look fake and plasticky, 
not luxurious.

The S430 is a good car, and I’m happy with it as transportation, but unlike 
models that preceded it, it has no soul.

Dan



> On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You gonna unload the S430?
> 
> --R (sent from my miniPad)
> 
> On Sep 2, 2015, at 8:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The guy I got my 1994 S420 has a 300SDL he’s looking to get rid of.  Like the 
> S420, he poured far more money into it than he did driving time, and it was 
> supposedly as nice or nicer than the S420 when he bought it a few years ago.
> 
> This isn’t the rodbender, is it? What should I look for/ask about?  I know 
> the W126 chassis well, but not the M603 engine or relatedc running gear.
> 
> I may take a look at it in a week or two.  I would really like to get back 
> into a W126, and even better, a diesel.  Back to a simpler time….
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] And now for something completely different - NOT rabbit related

2015-09-03 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes

I saw that.  Probably not merino though, too nice and white -- Merino  
sheep make TONS of lanolin, and the wool isn't white when they are  
sheared, it's tan and VERY greasy (and in the case of a male sheep,  
rancid, too).


I'd guess Perendale, nice white and coarse.

At any rate, poor sheepie is much better off!

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

2015-09-03 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> WILTON wrote:
> 
> Buried mine for about 120' to outbuilding (a little more
> than a shed - a shed doesn't usually have a slate roof) 27
> years ago all by myself using a flat shovel to make a slit
> about 10" deep.

10 inches [25 cm] is not really deep enough to be safe.  A
child and a shovel, or one swing with a pick can hit that.

I'm remembering 24 in is what NEC specs for protected cable.  I
don't remember what NEC says about direct burial cable.

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Re: [MBZ] Pelican Parts

2015-09-03 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Why does Pelican Parts offer them for sale if they cannot ship them?  I must be 
missing something
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 3, 2015 12:33:10 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>San Diego, CA.
>
>On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Where are they shipping from?
>> Is there anyone on the list who might pick them up and mail them to
>you?
>>
>> RB
>>
>> On 03/09/2015 9:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Pelican Parts just called to tell me they cannot ship nitrogen
>chambers
>>> (CA
>>> hazmat rules) so the entire order had to be canceled.  Bummer.
>>>
>>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

2015-09-03 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> > Andrew wrote:
> > 
> > 60' uphill.  :(

> Curly wrote:
> 
> Easy!  all you need is a trenching spade, an afternoon, and
> a 100' roll of  #12 UF wire.  (12-2 with ground)

60ft?  One afternoon?  That sounds like Iowa. *smiles*
Around here, there is so much rock and clay that it took me
and a friend about 3 days to dig an 80 ft [25 m] trench about
18 inches [0.5 m] deep.

Maybe in DC the ground is more like IA...

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

Buried mine for about 120' to outbuilding (a little more than a shed - a 
shed doesn't usually have a slate roof) 27 years ago all by myself using a 
flat shovel to make a slit about 10" deep.  After cable was pressed into 
bottom of slit, I closed the slit by packing it with my feet.  'Course, the 
soil here is loamy and rock-free; the route also tree root-free.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

60' uphill.  :(

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

What happened to renting a DitchWitch and buying a spool of direct burial
cable?  How many feet is the run between the house and shed?

> On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Rich.  The house and shed are too far apart to run a 110 V line
> (got a quote for $2000 from a licensed electrician, half of which was 
> for

> digging a deep trench).
>
> I am still puzzled at how to plug in my heat mats into a solar setup.
Send
> me some links plesae.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone Looking for a W123 Skid Plate?

On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:03:11 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Just came across this in the EPC.  One of those, “Wow, I knew these
> were around but never saw the listing for one” sort of things:
> 
> http://www.mbpartsworld.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=1087136_product=7809438
> 
> Not all that bad price-wise, either.

Please note that this catalog does not represent or guarantee the
availability of the parts listed. Prices are subject to change. While
every reasonable effort is made to ensure the accuracy of this data, we
are not responsible for any errors or omissions contained on these pages.
Please verify any information in question with a sales representative. 

It looks like you need one for the oil pan and one for the radiator.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

If ya can't stand the answer, don't ask the question.

Wilton

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From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

Extension cord from the house to the shed would be vetoed immediately by
SWMBO.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

Thanks - that helps.  I wonder why there is no simple kit that goes from
PV to 110 V without all the interconnecting parapernalia, battery,
inverters, etc.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 3:46 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
 wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
>
> I am still puzzled at how to plug in my heat mats into a
> solar setup.

A solar panel will generate direct current (DC).  A power
cell - and therefore a battery - can only store DC.  If you
need alternating current (AC), then a converter is needed.
It is called an "inverter".   Small ones (low power) are
pretty cheap.  Big ones are not.  Ideal is to get an inverter
with a power rating close to your power needs.  If you have
80 Watts of seedling heaters, get a 100-120 W inverter, not a
750 W.

The process of creating AC from DC is not perfect.  Thus to
get 80 W of AC will typically require 90-110 W of DC.

The capacity of the photo-voltaic panel, capacity of the
battery, and the power rating of the inverter all depend on
the size of the load.

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[MBZ] Interesting maybe

2015-09-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes



1973 Mercedes 280 $2500obo
http://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/5204203909.html

via cPro Craigslist App
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting maybe

2015-09-03 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

But does the heater fan work

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> 1973 Mercedes 280 $2500obo
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[MBZ] Jaime might be on the next plane to okieville

2015-09-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

http://m.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=392128718=74048=2016=list=DSL=distanceASC=1981=500=16000=100=%5BMB%5B%5D%5B%5D%5D

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Re: [MBZ] UST cleanup

2015-09-03 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Mao,

What was in the tank? Heating oil, septic?

If it was heating oil, likely the EPA rules apply for decommission and
removal. Which translates to .  Septic, typical rule is crush the top,
collapse the sides to a certain depth below grade and write it as done.
Your local rules may be different.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I guess I have known about the UST (Underground Storage Tank) outside
> here, but the property is changing owners and so I guess they require
> an environmental inspection.  I had forgotten the UST so I didn't
> mention it over the past weeks of lookers.
>
> Aside from the expensive excavation and verification of no leak, does
> anyone here have experience with alternative clean-up methonds?
> Perhaps a good environmental concoction of good bugs and a cleaning
> might be less damaging to the property?
> Thanks.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

Agreed.  +1  but, I'd suggest a trenching spade in place of a shovel. 
Makes quicker work of it.  Also,  I've been told that you cant run 
type NM ("romex") in a conduit as it is against code.  Makes no sense 
to me, but you have to use the "pulling type"  (I forget the type) 
single wires in conduit.  Apparently the extra sheathing/insulation 
is a no-no.   Simpler to bury type UF 12-2 WG.


Andrew, google the word "shovel"  I have relocated my water line, 
dug up my buried power line, relocated my buried phone line (OK my 
wife did that because she wanted to do something useful outside) 
using a shovel.  It is ancient technology.  you only have to go down 
a little ways and bury some 1" PVC conduit which is very cheap.  Get 
some 12-2  Romex and pull it through (do it while you are burying 
the sections of conduit, it is easier then, lay down your wire then 
slide the conduit over it, be careful not to get glue inside the 
conduit) leaving enough at each end to reach whatever you are 
connecting each end to.  Then if you must call the electrician, have 
him put an outlet or 4 in your shed, maybe a switched outlet for 
your lights, and connect the other end to your panel with a GFCI 
breaker, or to another outlet somewhere and put in a new GFCI outlet 
to protect it.  I would just do it and be done with it, forget the 
electrician.  An afternoon of work, a coupla hundred dollars of 
stuff, and you have good solid power for whatever you need.


But that's just me.

As far as plugging 110V stuff into your solar set-up, assuming you 
are using a panel to charge a deep cycle 12V battery, you buy a 12V 
-> 11oV inverter from HF, wire that to your battery terminals 
(either cut off the ciggy llghter plug and put it to the battery 
directly, or buy a ciggy lighter plug with bare ends to connect to 
the battery).  The inverter will have a regular plug on it to plug 
your stuff into, but you need to be mindful of the wattage of the 
inverter and the load of your heaters and lights or whatever.


BTW camping/RV stores will sell all kinds of 12V stuff you can use 
right off the battery.  I favor the blender for making 'ritas in the 
truck, though mama's new ML has a 110V plug in it too.


--R


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Re: [MBZ] Anyone Looking for a W123 Skid Plate?

The oil pan skid plate is a good number and in stock, I verified it with my 
dealer parts guy.  The forward radiator skid plate is not in the US at this 
time but might be available from Germany.  I didn’t ask him to check as I had 
no intention of buying one.

He found it interesting as well.

Understand that even the EPC that we and the dealers can access is not 
accurate.  The dealers have a separate system for active inventory called 
Paragon.  Oftentimes the part number will supercede several times in the EPC 
and then just die.  They have to go into Paragon, which is an up to the minute 
inventory system, to chase the number down the rest of the way.

Dan

> On Sep 3, 2015, at 7:44 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:03:11 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
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>> were around but never saw the listing for one” sort of things:
>> 
>> http://www.mbpartsworld.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=1087136_product=7809438
>> 
>> Not all that bad price-wise, either.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

2015-09-03 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Electrical code book does NOT permit running Romex wire inside conduit.
Thus, you should not.

I suggest you rent a walk behind engine driven trencher. With reasonable
soil, you can trench 100 ft in 1 hr of run time to a depth of 18 inches.
Then lay "Direct burial Romex wire" into the trench. Lowes and Home Depot
will guide you to the right wire [usually].

A rake drags the loose soil back into the trench and you are covered.. The
tool makes a nice 4" trench, just wide enough to run  a water line, or
wire, I've used one many times and always well worth the rental fee.

Caution: As always, call your local blue stake safety people to ensure you
are not trenching through a gas line or electrical cable... Safety first..

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
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> 60' uphill.  :(
>>
>
> Easy!  all you need is a trenching spade, an afternoon, and a 100' roll
> of  #12 UF wire.  (12-2 with ground)
>
> (oh, and a spare breaker  space in the panel)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

for solar:  Much simpler to use a PV panel to generate, one or more 
12V batteries to store, and 12vDC lighting and heater units.   No 
inverter needed unless you want to run a corded drill.


a century ago, the Delco light plant worked in a similar manner.  A 
generator, generating DC, batteries, perhaps a wincharger for "free" 
electricity,   Low voltage DC incandescent bulbs for light.  Perhaps 
a DC motor on the Maytag washing machine.  It worked in homes and 
farms for decades before "lectricty" came on poles.


As practicality, bury a 12-2 WG type UF wire with a trenching spade 
and quit whining.




 > Andrew wrote:


 I am still puzzled at how to plug in my heat mats into a
 solar setup.


A solar panel will generate direct current (DC).  A power
cell - and therefore a battery - can only store DC.  If you
need alternating current (AC), then a converter is needed.
It is called an "inverter".   Small ones (low power) are
pretty cheap.  Big ones are not.  Ideal is to get an inverter
with a power rating close to your power needs.  If you have
80 Watts of seedling heaters, get a 100-120 W inverter, not a
750 W.

The process of creating AC from DC is not perfect.  Thus to
get 80 W of AC will typically require 90-110 W of DC. 


The capacity of the photo-voltaic panel, capacity of the
battery, and the power rating of the inverter all depend on
the size of the load.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

2015-09-03 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> > > Rich wrote:
> > >
> > > 1" PVC conduit is cheap and no harder to bury than romex,
> > > plus you can run a phone line or something else in it
> > > too if you want.

> > PLEASE not in the same conduit!
> >
> > NEC (National Electric Code) won't allow it - because it's
> > not very safe.

> Randy wrote:
> 
> But ok in the same trench?

Yes.  Same trench is fine.  I would try to keep at least an
couple inches space to minimize the power garbage intruding
on the data cables.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Rich Thomas" 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

Andrew, google the word "shovel"  I have relocated my water line, dug up 
my buried power line, relocated my buried phone line (OK my wife did that 
because she wanted to do something useful outside) using a shovel.  It is 
ancient technology.  you only have to go down a little ways and bury some 
1" PVC conduit which is very cheap.  Get some 12-2  Romex and pull it 
through (do it while you are burying the sections of conduit, it is easier 
then, lay down your wire then slide the conduit over it, be careful not to 
get glue inside the conduit) leaving enough at each end to reach whatever 
you are connecting each end to.  Then if you must call the electrician, 
have him put an outlet or 4 in your shed, maybe a switched outlet for your 
lights, and connect the other end to your panel with a GFCI breaker, or to 
another outlet somewhere and put in a new GFCI outlet to protect it.  I 
would just do it and be done with it, forget the electrician.  An 
afternoon of work, a coupla hundred dollars of stuff, and you have good 
solid power for whatever you need.

But that's just me.

As far as plugging 110V stuff into your solar set-up, assuming you are 
using a panel to charge a deep cycle 12V battery, you buy a 12V -> 11oV 
inverter from HF, wire that to your battery terminals (either cut off the 
ciggy llghter plug and put it to the battery directly, or buy a ciggy 
lighter plug with bare ends to connect to the battery).  The inverter will 
have a regular plug on it to plug your stuff into, but you need to be 
mindful of the wattage of the inverter and the load of your heaters and 
lights or whatever.

BTW camping/RV stores will sell all kinds of 12V stuff you can use right 
off the battery.  I favor the blender for making 'ritas in the truck, 
though mama's new ML has a 110V plug in it too.

--R

On 9/3/15 2:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks, Rich.  The house and shed are too far apart to run a 110 V line
(got a quote for $2000 from a licensed electrician, half of which was for
digging a deep trench).

I am still puzzled at how to plug in my heat mats into a solar setup. 
Send

me some links plesae.

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Re: [MBZ] And now for something completely different - NOT rabbit related

2015-09-03 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Saw what? Who are you replying to? Whoever it is, their email didn't show up in
my inbox.
This is weird. On another list we are currently having a discussion about sheep
with a retired New Zealand sheep farmer. *Below are the emails:
Gerry
..
Peter Frederick wrote:
> I saw that. Probably not merino though, too nice and white -- Merino
> sheep make TONS of lanolin, and the wool isn't white when they are
> sheared, it's tan and VERY greasy (and in the case of a male sheep,
> rancid, too).
> I'd guess Perendale, nice white and coarse.
> At any rate, poor sheepie is much better off!
> Peter
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*A prized yarn from Australia

A lost merino recalls fatter years when Australia’s wealth was in wool

NOT since Australia founded a wool industry almost 200 years ago had the
country seen a sheep quite like Chris. When a hiker spotted him in the wild
this week near Canberra, the capital, the merino was weighed down with so
much wool that he could barely walk. The RSPCA, an animal-welfare charity,
adopted and named him, and reckoned him to be aged five or six. He had
probably never been shorn. With help from four colleagues Ian Elkins, a
champion shearer, relieved Chris of 40kg, an unofficial world record for
fleece taken from a single sheep.

Chris’s plight accompanied news from Canberra that Australia’s economy grew
by just 0.2% between April and June, making for an annual growth rate of 2%,
lower than earlier forecasts. So the story of the merino—who, it is thought,
strayed from a farmer’s flock—inspired reflections on a bygone era when
Australia “rode on the sheep’s back”, and wool underpinned the country’s
prosperity.

The first sheep arrived on the convict ships to Sydney with which Britain
settled Australia in 1788. John Macarthur, an enterprising grandee,
initiated the country’s fine-wool industry soon afterwards. He bred an
Australian merino by crossing Spanish merinos from South Africa with local
flocks. Macarthur was also a co-leader of the rebellion that overthrew
William Bligh as governor of New South Wales in 1808. But it is his portrait
as a wool pioneer, not a rebel, that featured on Australia’s two-dollar
note, from its introduction in 1966 until its replacement by a coin 22 years
later.

The wool industry helped to settle Australia’s wide, open spaces. Britain
bought Australia’s entire clip during the second world war. During the
Korean war of 1950-51, America’s demand for wool to clothe its troops sent
prices soaring. Families with outback merino flocks became Australia’s
richest people. Since then the country’s sheep flocks are thought to have
halved in number. Today, its biggest customer for wool is China—though iron
ore has overtaken it as Australia’s largest export commodity.

Australians continue to flock to agricultural jamborees to watch shearers
compete for the fastest shearing times. Clipping an average fleece of 5kg
from a sheep shorn once a year usually takes three minutes, says Mr Elkins.
His team took 45 minutes to clip Chris’s. Shearing enthusiasts will have had
another record in mind: until Chris lumbered into view, a stray New Zealand
merino was reported to hold the title for heaviest fleece, at 27kg when it
was shorn 11 years ago.

http://www.economist.com/news/asia/21663247-lost-merino-recalls-fatter-years-when-australias-wealth-was-wool-prized-yarn-australia
...
John (retired sheep farmer) wrote:
A sheep like that is called a Hermit Sheep. Most sheep have a strong flock
instinct and that is used to mob them up during mustering. A hermit sheep
doesn't have that impulse and is happy on his own. Hermits evade mustering
and in wild country they can go for a long time without human hand touching
them. Usually they accumulate 'dags' (lumps of fecal matter attached to the
wool around the backside). This attracts flies that lay their maggots in the
skin and the animal dies a horrid death. Also most sheep do not do well with
a lot of wool. They are healthier and more mobile with a short fleece.

When we bought our sheep property the owner was unable to muster his hermits
out for counting. Later when we brought them in ourselves we called them
Free Sheep because they had not been counted in the stock purchase figures.

The previous record fleece was held by Shrek, a merino from the South Island
High Country. Shrek got a lot of publicity and, amazingly, after he was
shorn he tamed down very quickly and visited schools and fund raisers,
getting much media coverage.

When NZ was first settled members of the upper class could get free land
provided they could stock it. Many sheep were imported from Australia to
meet the demand and the price of sheep set the Aussie landholders up for
prosperity. Sheep continued to be the mainstay of the NZ economy until
recent times when the wool price dropped due

Re: [MBZ] Pelican Parts

2015-09-03 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Must PU at their warehouse I guess...

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Why does Pelican Parts offer them for sale if they cannot ship them?  I
> must be missing something
> --
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> Charleston SC
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>
> On September 3, 2015 12:33:10 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >San Diego, CA.
> >
> >On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Where are they shipping from?
> >> Is there anyone on the list who might pick them up and mail them to
> >you?
> >>
> >> RB
> >>
> >> On 03/09/2015 9:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
> >>> Pelican Parts just called to tell me they cannot ship nitrogen
> >chambers
> >>> (CA
> >>> hazmat rules) so the entire order had to be canceled.  Bummer.
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting maybe

2015-09-03 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Brings back memories - my first Benz, purchased for $4700 in 1982, sold a
year later to a dip heading overseas for $4,850.  Best ride of any car I
ever owned.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

2015-09-03 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

We don't have glacial till (tilth is a term referring to the tillable
quality of the soil) around here but rocks and roots are plentiful.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:07 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Yep.
>
> Wilton
>
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> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application
>
>
> WILTON wrote:
>>>
>>> Buried mine for about 120' to outbuilding (a little more
>>> than a shed - a shed doesn't usually have a slate roof) 27
>>> years ago all by myself using a flat shovel to make a slit
>>> about 10" deep.
>>>
>>
>> 10 inches [25 cm] is not really deep enough to be safe.  A
>> child and a shovel, or one swing with a pick can hit that.
>>
>> I'm remembering 24 in is what NEC specs for protected cable.  I
>> don't remember what NEC says about direct burial cable.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

2015-09-03 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

Or you can weld a conduit elbow to a subsoiler and bury (24 inches) the
cable using a tractor.  I ran mine about 200 ft.  This was before I had a
tractor so I hired a local guy with a ditcher to dig (and backfill) the
ditch for $1 a foot.  For wire I  used 10-2 UF (with ground) from Lowes,
plastic conduit where it enters and leaves the ground, and direct bury
between.  There is a 20 amp GFCI breaker feeding the circuit and a GFCI
outlet at the other end.  The whole thing probably cost $300 but folks in
rural NC aren't anal about licensed electricians for small jobs.  

I would be interested to learn how Andrew's environmentally-friendly
approach works out.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 2:46 PM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application
> 
> What happened to renting a DitchWitch and buying a spool of direct burial
> cable?  How many feet is the run between the house and shed?
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Rich.  The house and shed are too far apart to run a 110 V
> > line (got a quote for $2000 from a licensed electrician, half of which
> > was for digging a deep trench).
> >
> > I am still puzzled at how to plug in my heat mats into a solar setup.
> > Send me some links plesae.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

Dad just installed a 100w solar system at camp. Bought a kit from Amazon plus a 
couple electric wheelchair batteries. I think the single panel is too small but 
he didn't want to spend too much money.
How much power do the grow mats pull? Can't be too much, I still think a 100w 
panel would be undersized, especially in the spring, 200w will probably be too 
much in summer but thats an okay problem to have. Building the system is easy, 
you'll need an inverter for the 110v but a 400w version will be cheap. Use an 
only MB starting battery for cheap storage or buy something better for big 
money. 
I suspect as dad ages we'll want more storage capacity and I'll pony up for 
iron nickel batteries which will last most of the rest of my life but will cost 
more than the rest of the system put together...
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel  
 Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 1:11 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application
   
I would like to electrify my shed in the back 40 in order to provide 1)
simple overhead lighting and 2) a 110V outlet for grow mats under my
seedlings next spring.

I might also want to recharge batteries for a B trimmer, although this is
a lesser priority.

There is a sunny spot where I could erect a solar panel, about 15' from the
edge of the building.

Anybody out there work with practical solar applications?

Andrew
Gentleman farmer and rabbit torturer
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Re: [MBZ] 300SDL?

Hey, we had a Mercury Sable (as well as a Ford Taurus). They were not 
bad cars.
The Sable had electrical gremlins that bugged us but apart from that it 
was a nice car. It rode well and had pretty decent power for a basic 3.0 
pushrod engine.


RB

On 03/09/2015 2:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I would agree.  If you’re looking for some really nice, well appointed 
transportation, the W220 is a good choice.  Later is always better, as the 
Chrysler influence gets less and less as time goes on.

My youngest, the W140 snob, turned up his nose the first time he got into the 
car. “Pleather?!?  Wow, Dad, that’s really lame.”

Sadly, he’s right.  It’s appointed nicely, but for those of us who understand 
the detail and quality of materials used in earlier models, it’s pretty awful.  
I would liken it to a Mercury Sable in some respects.  And it looks pretty much 
like one, too.

There are some nice features and it is very comfortable.  That’s pretty much 
where the similarities end with prior models.

Dan


  

On Sep 3, 2015, at 2:52 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:

It is fine.  Not at all sweet. in the manner of a w126.  Not at all like the 
W140.  Cheap plastic, sort of junky.  If you do think you need one, get the 
2006 series.

clay



On Sep 3, 2015, at 11:23 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:


I thought about getting a 220 for the wife to replace her 210

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On Sep 3, 2015, at 1:22 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:

+1

The Benz brand is just another extension of Korean design.  I grow tired of 
trying to unlock Kia and Hyundia in parking lots because the dang things look 
too much like the W220

clay


On Sep 3, 2015, at 4:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

No, just considering this as a second car if the price would be right.

Why, you want the S430?

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again:

After the W140 Mercedes became a commodity, I think.  The styling does nothing 
to distinguish the cars from any others on the road.  The fit and finish isn’t 
that great, and the build quality is so-so.  Interiors look fake and plasticky, 
not luxurious.

The S430 is a good car, and I’m happy with it as transportation, but unlike 
models that preceded it, it has no soul.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] 300SDL?

The 3rd generation Taurus was a bit different. It was the one with the 
oval rear window. Ford spent a small fortune on the development and it 
was intended to be much better than the rest of the competitors.
Our Taurus was an 86, so first generation. It was ok. I really liked it 
when it was new. As it aged, it developed some issues - rust - etc. 
Struts wore out quickly etc but it was a reasonable car for a low price.
We bought the Sable to replace it so you can see we were not unhappy 
with the car. We liked the Sable because it did not have the oval look 
to it that the Taurus had.
The Sable was troublesome in some ways. Little electrical issues bugged 
us. It was my wife's car and she complained. I should have tried harder 
to keep her happy. We got rid of it in less than 5 years and took a bath 
on the depreciation.


RB


On 03/09/2015 3:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Not a think wrong with the Taurus or Sable.  They were good transportation 
providers for the price.  Very common, nothing distinctive about their design, 
blended in with everything else on the road of that vintage.

That’s the W220.

Dan



On Sep 3, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:

Hey, we had a Mercury Sable (as well as a Ford Taurus). They were not bad cars.
The Sable had electrical gremlins that bugged us but apart from that it was a 
nice car. It rode well and had pretty decent power for a basic 3.0 pushrod 
engine.

RB



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Re: [MBZ] This could have been a decent car


Excaliber?

RB

On 03/09/2015 3:32 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

We looked it up online though I can't remember the brand now, it supposedly had 
a Chevy 350...
-Curt
   From: Randy Bennell 
  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

  Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 4:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] This could have been a decent car

On 03/09/2015 2:54 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Which reminds me I saw a Mercedes 500K replica car last week. From the street 
it looked good except for a scrape on one fender. On closer inspection the 
interior was NASTY, looked to have come out of a Chevy truck. No two gauges 
matched and all were much too modern looking. It also glided by us almost 
silently, none of the burble you'd expect from such a beast. I feel like if you 
were going to the trouble of building such a thing you ought to do a better 
job...
-Curt

 

Oooh! A Mercedes look alike kit car rat rod with a motor out of a Prius!



RB


   
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

2015-09-03 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

Andrew, google the word "shovel"  I have relocated my water line, dug up 
my buried power line, relocated my buried phone line (OK my wife did 
that because she wanted to do something useful outside) using a shovel.  
It is ancient technology.  you only have to go down a little ways and 
bury some 1" PVC conduit which is very cheap.  Get some 12-2  Romex and 
pull it through (do it while you are burying the sections of conduit, it 
is easier then, lay down your wire then slide the conduit over it, be 
careful not to get glue inside the conduit) leaving enough at each end 
to reach whatever you are connecting each end to.  Then if you must call 
the electrician, have him put an outlet or 4 in your shed, maybe a 
switched outlet for your lights, and connect the other end to your panel 
with a GFCI breaker, or to another outlet somewhere and put in a new 
GFCI outlet to protect it.  I would just do it and be done with it, 
forget the electrician.  An afternoon of work, a coupla hundred dollars 
of stuff, and you have good solid power for whatever you need.


But that's just me.

As far as plugging 110V stuff into your solar set-up, assuming you are 
using a panel to charge a deep cycle 12V battery, you buy a 12V -> 11oV 
inverter from HF, wire that to your battery terminals (either cut off 
the ciggy llghter plug and put it to the battery directly, or buy a 
ciggy lighter plug with bare ends to connect to the battery).  The 
inverter will have a regular plug on it to plug your stuff into, but you 
need to be mindful of the wattage of the inverter and the load of your 
heaters and lights or whatever.


BTW camping/RV stores will sell all kinds of 12V stuff you can use right 
off the battery.  I favor the blender for making 'ritas in the truck, 
though mama's new ML has a 110V plug in it too.


--R



On 9/3/15 2:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks, Rich.  The house and shed are too far apart to run a 110 V line
(got a quote for $2000 from a licensed electrician, half of which was for
digging a deep trench).

I am still puzzled at how to plug in my heat mats into a solar setup.  Send
me some links plesae.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application


120 V in a residential application is 12"

http://www.irrigation.org/uploadedFiles/Certification/National%20Electric%20Code.pdf
Scroll down to the first table.

18" for commercial in plastic conduit.  24" commercial without conduit.

6" residential for low voltage





 > WILTON wrote:


 Buried mine for about 120' to outbuilding (a little more
 than a shed - a shed doesn't usually have a slate roof) 27
 years ago all by myself using a flat shovel to make a slit
 about 10" deep.


10 inches [25 cm] is not really deep enough to be safe.  A
child and a shovel, or one swing with a pick can hit that.

I'm remembering 24 in is what NEC specs for protected cable.  I
don't remember what NEC says about direct burial cable.


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[MBZ] M603 ALDA Shim

Here’s a picture of the shim with dimensions:

http://www.w124performance.com/images/OM603_injection/ALDA_shim.jpg

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Is this a scam?

2015-09-03 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

The scam phone call I got today was new.
The guy said I had won a $750k lottery and new truck.  Located in LV.
I think he was taken aback by my desire to come pick up my lottery
winnings.  I think he wanted me to give him cc for shipping.  Hung up
without giving any info either way except for an address in LV - 303
Carson.  An interesting scam phone call.
I want to text this G-500 guy.  Someone needs to find out what is
happening in Lawrence, KS - isn't there a black-ops military base near
there?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 22:45:42 -0400 Rich Thomas via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The single wire stuff is tmmw or something like that, it has a higher
> temp rated insulation. 

THHN


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

Yep.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "fmiser via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "fmiser" 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

WILTON wrote:

Buried mine for about 120' to outbuilding (a little more
than a shed - a shed doesn't usually have a slate roof) 27
years ago all by myself using a flat shovel to make a slit
about 10" deep.

10 inches [25 cm] is not really deep enough to be safe.  A
child and a shovel, or one swing with a pick can hit that.

I'm remembering 24 in is what NEC specs for protected cable.  I
don't remember what NEC says about direct burial cable.

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Re: [MBZ] 300SDL?

The head was replaced and the engine rebuilt at some time in the car’s past.  I 
don’t have details yet but I’m getting them shortly.  He says there’s a good 3" 
thick file folder of service records.

This guy buys really, really nice examples of MBs and then spends whatever 
necessary to bring them up to 110%.  He’s done this with the intent to keep 
them, but his business is growing exponentially and he started a family 
recently.  As you might expect, time available for MB fun and games has pretty 
much evaporated, so he’s thinning out the herd.

He’s the one I bought the 94 S420 from.  It’s not perfect, but it’s certainly 
one of the nicest W140s I’ve seen of its vintage in a long time.

Dan



> On Sep 3, 2015, at 7:16 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> No, just considering this as a second car if the price would be right.
> 
> Why, you want the S430?
> 
> I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again:
> 
> After the W140 Mercedes became a commodity, I think.  The styling does 
> nothing to distinguish the cars from any others on the road.  The fit and 
> finish isn’t that great, and the build quality is so-so.  Interiors look fake 
> and plasticky, not luxurious.
> 
> The S430 is a good car, and I’m happy with it as transportation, but unlike 
> models that preceded it, it has no soul.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You gonna unload the S430?
>> 
>> --R (sent from my miniPad)
>> 
>> On Sep 2, 2015, at 8:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The guy I got my 1994 S420 has a 300SDL he’s looking to get rid of.  Like 
>> the S420, he poured far more money into it than he did driving time, and it 
>> was supposedly as nice or nicer than the S420 when he bought it a few years 
>> ago.
>> 
>> This isn’t the rodbender, is it? What should I look for/ask about?  I know 
>> the W126 chassis well, but not the M603 engine or relatedc running gear.
>> 
>> I may take a look at it in a week or two.  I would really like to get back 
>> into a W126, and even better, a diesel.  Back to a simpler time….
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

You could do it here, we've got mostly sandy loam. The camp in Maine however 
its a fight going anywhere, glacial tilth full of rocks.
-Curt

  From: fmiser via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: fmiser  
 Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 7:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application
   
> > Andrew wrote:
> > 
> > 60' uphill.  :(

> Curly wrote:
> 
> Easy!  all you need is a trenching spade, an afternoon, and
> a 100' roll of  #12 UF wire.  (12-2 with ground)

60ft?  One afternoon?  That sounds like Iowa. *smiles*
Around here, there is so much rock and clay that it took me
and a friend about 3 days to dig an 80 ft [25 m] trench about
18 inches [0.5 m] deep.

Maybe in DC the ground is more like IA...



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

Which reminds me the line to the light in my front yard is barely scratched 
into the ground. I found it while edging a flower bed. Fortunately I didn't cut 
it... Need to locate it again and sink it deeper...
-Curt

  From: Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 9:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application
   
120 V in a residential application is 12"

http://www.irrigation.org/uploadedFiles/Certification/National%20Electric%20Code.pdf
Scroll down to the first table.

18" for commercial in plastic conduit.  24" commercial without conduit.

6" residential for low voltage






>  > WILTON wrote:
>>
>>  Buried mine for about 120' to outbuilding (a little more
>>  than a shed - a shed doesn't usually have a slate roof) 27
>>  years ago all by myself using a flat shovel to make a slit
>>  about 10" deep.
>
>10 inches [25 cm] is not really deep enough to be safe.  A
>child and a shovel, or one swing with a pick can hit that.
>
>I'm remembering 24 in is what NEC specs for protected cable.  I
>don't remember what NEC says about direct burial cable.

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Re: [MBZ] Jaime might be on the next plane to okieville

2015-09-03 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

My first 240D was,that color-exterior not the green interior.
On Sep 3, 2015 8:43 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
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Re: [MBZ] UST cleanup

2015-09-03 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

Grant wrote:
> What was in the tank? Heating oil, septic?

Heating oil.  Septic is in the back yard.
It was mentioned that if the tank is registered, it might is permitted
to remain in place.
RB - I would be moving, but the new owner wants us to stay - he wants
the light industrial space on the property.  The light industrial
building here is constructed using bricks from the old Elgin National
Watch Factory that the original owner demolished in 1965.  Another
neighbor said that equipment from the factory was by the pound.

Filling the tank with sand sounds good.
But no superbugs to clean this tank out?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Is this a scam?

2015-09-03 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

--R wrote:
> It gets nuked in The Day After

Movie Buff.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

2015-09-03 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

My bad. I'm guessing that is because of heating issues which would be minimal 
outside, but I get it. I might even have known that at some point. The single 
wire stuff is tmmw or something like that, it has a higher temp rated 
insulation. 

--R (sent from my miniPad)

> On Sep 3, 2015, at 6:25 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Electrical code book does NOT permit running Romex wire inside conduit.
> Thus, you should not.

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Re: [MBZ] Jaime might be on the next plane to okieville

2015-09-03 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Is it in your yard yet? I thought you bought all the green/green cars . . .

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 20:12:34 -0500 Curly McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 120 V in a residential application is 12"
> 
> http://www.irrigation.org/uploadedFiles/Certification/National%20Electric%20Code.pdf
> Scroll down to the first table.

Yes, that is correct! But you do need GFCI (in a 20 A or less breaker, I
presume, rather than a 20 A breaker at the source end and a GFCI
receptacle at the load end).

I still, however, would not feel safe putting a 120 VAC line 12" down.

Craig

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