Re: [MBZ] Can be hard to start. 1974 Mercedes-Benz 240d,$4,000

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Check for blow-by too, don't know if it was fixed by 74, but the 72 engines 
were known for pre-mature cylinder wear due to the alloy used for the block.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can be hard to start. 1974 Mercedes-Benz 240d,$4,000

And glow plugs. And a good hard run.

--FT
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> On Dec 21, 2023, at 11:06 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>
> On 21/12/2023 8:12 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/720388589763915
>>
> Wonder how long since the valves were adjusted?
>
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Re: [MBZ] W124 OM602 serpentine belt

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The rattling is a bad bearing in the pulley carrier, and when it gets bad 
enough the belt starts to run on only one side of the pulley and gets pulled 
sideways as it goes around.  Early failure every time.

Make sure the carrier bearing is good, I seem to remember it’s a standard size 
and can be replaced, otherwise replace the carrier.

Peter

> On Nov 7, 2023, at 12:36 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So I finally got to replacing the serpentine belt on the 90 300D 2.5Turbo. 
> The belt broke leaving me stranded a couple of months ago. I attributed it to 
> the idler pulley being seized but it’s not actually seized. When the belt 
> shredded apart, bits of it got wedged behind the pulley giving the impression 
> that it was seized. So my question is what caused the serpentine belt to fail 
> catastrophically? The belt drive has been making a rattling noise for a few 
> years now so I assumed it was the pulley but it doesn’t seem to be bad. I 
> have a new one on hand so I will replace it anyway. I’m just worried that 
> there is some other problem.
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Re: [MBZ] W108 heater o-rings

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

That complicates things.  I seem to remember needing some of those for a waste 
oil furnace a friend was struggling with a few years ago, they are hard to find.

Measure them and check with waste oil furnace manufacturers, you might get 
lucky — they are used to separate the oil and compressed air in the fuel nozzle 
assembly in the furnace.

Peter

> On Jul 12, 2023, at 9:31 AM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The trouble is that the NLA rings are not o-rings, they are an x profile.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 Dan Penoff wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Of course they're metric, but you should be able to find something in the
>> "majik boxes" at your local hardware store. Not sure where I got my last
>> set, but it wasn't from Mercedes.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] W108 heater o-rings

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Take the o-rings you remove to the local bearing supply store, or a local auto 
parts store and match them up.

Viton will work just fine.

Peter

> On Jul 11, 2023, at 3:51 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> Good day,
> 
> I'm in the middle of the nightmare of removing the heater core from my
> W108.068. This was prompted by the death of the fan motor. Since I'm in
> there and they're leaking a tad, I will be replacing the o-rings at the two
> valves. I gather it's 000-835-12-98 and 000-835-13-98 and that one or the
> other is NLA from MB.
> 
> Does anyone have any leads on the substitute? I gather one or the other is
> an x-profile, which I'm betting is what's NLA.
> 
> Appreciate any thoughts on the o-rings, cables, or any other aspect of this
> epic job.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 Mercedes Diesel 300TD Touring Wagon W124 (Super Rare), $6, 500

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Lol, forgot to add is not runs like crap and uses huge amounts of fuel.

Never did get why morons want to remove the ALDA since that’s where all the 
power comes from — no increased fuel with boost means far less HP.

For a 3L diesel those have plenty of go anyway — I know, I have a 300D sedan.

Peter

> On Jun 18, 2023, at 1:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> At least there is no hoodstack
> 
> - [x] Delete muffler - [x] Clean intake manifold of soot and replace gasket - 
> [x] New AC pressure sensor switch - [x] Shifter bushing - [x] Delete egr and 
> block off - [x] Deleted Alda device
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay

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Bad grounds can do all sorts of odd things!

My Dad refused to work on automotive electrical stuff, said by 
electrical/electronic engineering standards not of it should work and it was 
full of feedback loops, etc, and that was before 1976.

Glad it was something simple and easy to fix.

My latest electrical gremlin was a bad connector on the low beam on the left 
side of my Golf.  Bad contact had overheated it, and it was making intermittent 
contact on top of the connector being stuck.  Also had a issue with the right 
turn signal front bulb not flashing, bulb is good.

Fixed the connector by reshaping it after prying the da..d thing off and 
getting it installed properly (PO screwed it up, or whoever replaced the lamp 
last), and now the right turn signal works perfectly…..

Gotta love common ground electrical circuits.

Almost as much fun as un-soldered “pressure” grounds in stereo equipment!

Peter

> On Jun 13, 2023, at 7:45 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I fixed it! Thanks to everyone who helped! The issue was indeed a bad ground 
> to the relay. The ground was basically where Fred said- left front fender, 
> under the headlight assembly. The ground wire where it connected to the 
> terminal was basically corroded to dust. I cut it back to clean copper and 
> soldered on a new terminal connector. Who would have thought that a bad 
> ground would masquerade as a bad relay! 
> 
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>> On Jun 10, 2023, at 12:22 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The ground should be the same size as the wire feeding 12v to the relay,
>>> unless it's a lot longer in which case it should be larger.
>>> 
>> 
>> Not even close.  The power feed to the relay is HUGE, but 99% of all that
>> current goes back out through the GP's.  Only a dribble is used by the relay
>> itself, and that's all the ground wire has to sink.
>> 
>> What's there already is exactly the right size.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

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Well, the point was to reduce fuel consumption, and lower speed does indeed do 
that EXCEPT in some trucks with engine like screaming Jimmies where the RPM 
doesn’t match up well.

Gotta remember that 70 mph speed limits were actually a fairly new thing in 
1973, most two lanes were 65 or less (in most states the non-highway roads are 
45).

Greatly reduced the fatality rate too, which has been climbing again, and is 
getting as bad as it was per mile in the 1970 even with much, much safer cars.

The problem with raising speed limits is that increases result in exponential 
increases in actual vehicle speed.  Go from 55 to 60 and the average speed goes 
to 65-70, raise it to 70 and the average speed goes to 85.  raise the limit to 
75 and the average speed goes up to 90, with drivers weaving in and out at much 
higher speeds.  Gotta be safe to drive 120 if the posted limit is 70, right?


> On May 26, 2023, at 4:05 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes. 
> 
> 
>> On May 26, 2023, at 4:49 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 55 MPH may have worked in the densely populated east, however in the
>> western states where distance is measured not in miles but hours from point
>> to point, it was a total failure.
>> Truck freight, where drivers are paid on miles driven and tons delivered,
>> took a huge pay cut, over "hauling the freight" at 75 MPH..
>> But, to those who do not agree... you are of course right..
>> Yawnnn..
>> 
>> On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 1:36 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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>> 
 Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.
>>> 
>>> I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
>>> frustrating for the parental units...
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

59 Fleetwood, probably had not a 454 but a similar sized Cadillac engine 
(Cadillac always made their own) but at least the Eldorado of the same year had 
a triple 2 barrel carb setup.  If you could keep it tuned properly it got 17-18 
mpg or better on the highway and would still rocket that lead sled up to 
terrifying speeds for the four wheel drum brakes.

Incredibly ugly cars.

A heavy foot, yeah, single digit mileage.

Drove like a log wagon too.

Peter

> On May 26, 2023, at 3:35 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.
> 
> I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
> frustrating for the parental units...
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Re: [MBZ] I bought that rod bender that was the topic of conversation 10 years ago on BW and PP

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Bent rods show up in about a minute of run time, they NEVER bend straight over. 
 The piston cocks in the bore and the rings eat the bore out almost instantly.

You’d know if they were bent.

Peter

> On May 13, 2023, at 3:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> I had to come to KC to pickup a hard top I found for the SL so went ahead and 
> looked at it. Kid was asking $2800 for it. I paid him $1200 for it. Main 
> reason I was interested was due to it being the super rare Bornite color. 
> Anyway, according to the BW and PP posts this car has had a crap ton of work 
> done to it by a PO in Houston. Car has be beat on a little bit, or maybe 
> quite a bit but I think it’s got potential. It will need a dented in RF 
> fender replaced. The hood needs to be repainted. It also has some small rust 
> bubbles around the rear window seal on the passenger side. We know there 
> could be a lot more hiding under the seal. Also, in the corner on the drivers 
> side in the trunk drain channel, it’s got a bunch of silicone gooped in 
> there. I would suspect a rust hole maybe? Per carfax it was in WI when new 
> for a few years. Aside from the spots mentioned above it’s rust free. 
> Interior is actually in pretty good shape. Odo does not work. It starts and 
> runs great. Not much blowby, transmission shifts good, suspension feels good. 
> In the BW post it that guy was messing the piston protrusion properly it 
> would indicate it has bent rods. Just from casual observing it running it 
> does not show any signs of that at all so maybe he was not measuring 
> correctly. 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Check for broken solder in the pins and wires in the connector.  It’s possible 
the keyswitch is bad too, although unlikely.

Have someone operate the key switch while you listen for the relay to close.  
If it does, investigate why the glow plugs aren’t getting hot, if it doesn’t, 
make sure the coil i the relay is getting 12V and figure out why not.


> On May 11, 2023, at 1:48 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
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> 
> So I replaced the GP relay on the 1990 300D 2.5T but it’s still not glowing. 
> Light does not come on at all. I was able to start the car as some suggested 
> after cranking for quite a bit. I replaced all the glow plugs a couple of 
> years ago so I don’t think that’s the issue either. It must be some thing 
> before the relay. Is there some kind of control in the ignition switch or 
> something?
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Re: [MBZ] W126 speedometer inaccuracy

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I believe the W126 has an electronic speedometer.  Likely the issue is in the 
speedo head, either the needle motor is dragging or worn.

> On Apr 23, 2023, at 5:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Rick, what do tires have to do with it?  They are the correct size.
> 
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 3:31 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> 
>> You need new tires.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: April 23, 2023 1:30 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 speedometer inaccuracy
>> 
>> Absolutely. They're 10 year old michelin's 205 70 14.
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2023, 12:27 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Does it have the correct size tires?
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023, at 21:42, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 I observed that my '85 300SD speedometer is about 10% below the actual
 vehicle speed, starting at 45 mph and above.
 
 I recently had the odometer repaired but the tech was unable to explain
>>> the
 discrepancy.  Any suggestions?  There are no records of the po having
 worked on this.  Could this be an issue with the speedometer cable?
 
 Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement for florescent shop lights

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I bought direct wired LED 8’ lamps for mine.  A bit expensive, and you have to 
re-wire the fixtures, but it’s been six or seven years and they all work just 
fine.

Mine are the old single pin type, probably 70 years old.

If yours are dual pin on each end, you can probably get drop in replacements, 
but if you are having ballast issues, go for the replacements that delete the 
ballast.

Peter

> On Mar 26, 2023, at 7:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Most of the lights in the shop are dual 8' units and some of them I have 
> replaced the ballasts and/or bulbs.  Some of of them have since quit working 
> again.  Some of them I replaced with 8' units with 4 4' bulbs which seem 
> brighter than the 2 8' bulbs.  I have new bulbs for both style but honestly 
> hate messing with them.  What is a good replacement for these?  I am not 
> talking about replacing all units at once, just as they die instead of 
> jacking around with them swap out the light with something else.  What have 
> you used in your shops that work well and are not a hassle?
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Re: [MBZ] CIS Fun

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Most likely leak point is the check valve in the fuel pump (the anti-return 
valve, German is a strange language).  Second wear point on a W116 is likely to 
be the plunger seal in the fuel distributor.  this can also cause hard starts 
hot by flooding the engine as the fuel drips out with the engine off until the 
accumulator is empty.

The accumulator is a can in the fuel line, looks like a filter but isn’t.  Just 
a diaphram and spring, holds approx 100mL of fuel I think, maybe 150.  It’s 
there to prevent vapor lock on hard starts. 

Next most likely is leaking fuel nozzles, if you have not changed them do so.  

You can also have a bad pressure regulator valve that leaks back into the tank.

I’m getting ready to dig into the KE-Jet on the wagon, it goes way rich, 
probably because the 35 year old oxygen sensor is shot.  Stays in limp mode, 
and its a real pain because occasionally it will work and lean the engine out 
to the point it stalls.


> On Mar 2, 2023, at 4:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am actually sort of having fun playing with the CIS and learning all about 
> it.  After spending a lot of time jacking around with the HF fuel gauge set 
> and not getting accurate readings, I spent $130 on the correct test set that 
> I picked up on ebay.  Within minutes I am starting to narrow down the issue.  
> I am running thru the tests that are spelled out in a training doc I found on 
> w116.org that tells you which tests to run based on what the issue is.  Test 
> 3 tests the system pressure.  This is done with the engine off, turn key on 
> with valve closed on the gauge mine is dead on.  Next test is testing static 
> pressure.  For this test, you open gauge, turn key on for about 30 seconds to 
> fill the accumulator, then turn off.  It says pressure is supposed to be 
> 2.8bar.  Since there is not a range, I assume it must be exact?  While the 
> pump is running it only shows .5 bar.  After key is turned off, pressure 
> builds up but mine only gets to about 2.5 bar.  The test then says within 30 
> minutes it can leak down to 2.5 bar, so .3 bar leak off.  After about 8 
> minutes mine has lost about .4 bar. So, this is the first issue to correct.
> 
> Items it says to check for leaks are the cold start valve (done, it is not 
> leaking), fuel pump non return valve (where is this?), accumulator for 
> leaking diagram (is this the deal back by the pump?), pressure compensating 
> valve (not sure where this is either), FD for internal leaking around control 
> plunger or o-rings of metering sleeve.
> 
> I will be digging into this further but this is just a quick check of the 
> system so far.  Without throwing parts at the thing, which if these items it 
> a most likely cause?  I figured somebody that has dealt with CIS a lot would 
> run into some common issues.
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Re: [MBZ] Update on the GL starter

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Sounds like a 190 starter.  Had one here temporaritly with start problems 
(turned out to be a chewed up ring gear, starter was fine).  Took out the bolts 
and it dropped right out, luckliy NOT on my head since I was under the car up 
on jack stands.

Had to pull the engine mount on that side to put it back in, never did figure 
out the magic dance to get it up, in, and around the engine mount.  If a person 
did them fairly often it would be a 30 min job, took me hours.

Peter

> On Dec 25, 2022, at 11:52 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Strong work 
> Congratulations!
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
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> Subject: [MBZ] Update on the GL starter
> 
> I am happy to report I finished up the starter and motor mount replacement 
> and the car actually turns over like it should. Now that I have had one run 
> thru of a GL 642 starter, I bet I could do the next one in a couple of hours. 
> That starter had to be turned and angled just perfect and it just barely 
> slides out. Fortunately it’s pretty light. If it was a big heavy starter it 
> might be hard to fight it in.
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Re: [MBZ] Cold on tybee island

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Pretty cold for a place that has palm trees!

I was very briefly on Tybee Island over Thanksgiving, we drove out from 
Savannah on Friday in the rain.  Didn’t see much, lol, but it was fun.

Stay warm — up to 19F today with 20 mph wind, so the drive is still full of 
snow.  Tomorrow I’ll dig it out, it may get up to freezing.

Peter

> On Dec 24, 2022, at 1:04 PM, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Folks
> 
> It’s cold here …. I think the temp went down to about 25 last night …. We saw 
> 17f about 20 years ago and I know it has not gone below freezing since before 
> 2016!
> 
> The 2018 heat pump is even trying with heat strip$ and the interior temp is 
> about 55
> 
> No fun
> 
> The water seems to be frozen.  I have the house next door which is on the 
> ground but has no heat right now …
> Pipes are all PEX over there ….I haven’t tried that water.
> 
> My spaceship  motor home is running its heat pump and I think it’s warmer 
> out there. Haven’t tried the Motor home water
> 
> My daughter who is married to a Ukrainian and lives in California said that 
> it’s colder now on tybee  than it is in Kiev!
> 
> Stay warm people
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT it’s COLD this morning

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Five years and a week ago I broke my left ankle taking the trash out in the 
garage, thankfully it wasn’t this cold.

9F this morning with a strong breeze out of the West, I still haven’t tried to 
clear the drive.  As per usual, there is a drift at the end that’s too big to 
drive through, but I had zero interest in digging it out with blowing snow that 
would fill it back in as fast as I dug and a -20 wind chill.  I don’t need to 
go anywhere until late this afternoon, if then.

it was -8 yesterday norming.  House is snug except my bedroom (converted 
covered porch) but I have a big comforter my Mom got me 40 years ago so I slept 
well.  Cats stayed in the warm part of the house for some reason…

More snow and wind predicted on Sunday, so Christmas this year may be next 
weekend no need to battle snow to have dinner with the family.

Peter

> On Dec 24, 2022, at 8:41 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 19F here which is very unusual. My heating systems are struggling and aren’t 
> really keeping up so it is chilly in the manse. It was a two dog night 
> because I only have two dogs. 
> 
> Hahaha I just remembered too that 4yr ago today I woke up in the hospital 
> after having my broken leg fixed the evening before. A casualty of Ultimate 
> but that aspect of dumbassery has been relegated to the past. 
> 
> Y’all stay warm and enjoy the holiday weekend, Christmas, Festivus, Kwaanzaa, 
> Hanukkah, Solstice, Saturnalia, or whatever you celebrate. I don’t think I’m 
> going to be working on any cars today but will be studying more how to get 
> this M137 cam position sensor replaced later in the week when it warms up 
> again. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I have never seen an old console stereo like this before

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Vintage Audio has far more than it’s share of BS,  I personally think much of 
the “high end” equipment is high end because it costs so much, and much of it 
is pure fashion (or more bluntly, affectation, like using a monocle or wearing 
spats).

This attitude is also a problem in the “hot rod” arena, where people tend to 
argue endlessly about the work they have done for them.  Actual hands on hot 
rod guys are pretty rare now, and average 75 in age.

All part of the fun, I guess.

I’ve still got the stuff I bought in 1982, and after the umpteeth repair on the 
amp, I’ve replaced it.  Bad design (up side down main board runs WAY too hot).  
Sonically it’s as good as anything out there, but then I don’t believe there 
are all that many differences in audio equipment made past 1974 or so.

I do all my own electronics work, although I probably know just enough about it 
to be dangerous.

I’m becoming an old grump.

Peter

> On Dec 23, 2022, at 4:09 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> People still pay stupid money for vintage audio. I dabbled some years back 
> when I came into possession of a Fisher receiver, a Soundcraftsman equalizer 
> and power amp and a pair of Magnepan planar speakers, but it didn’t take long 
> for me to realize that a car hobby would be far less expensive and probably 
> more fulfilling and practical. I re-capped the Fisher and sold it at a nice 
> profit along with all the other stuff. I will say the Magnepan speakers were 
> pretty amazing if they were in the right space. The average home listening 
> room was not the right space, however.
> 
> If people think Porsche enthusiasts are snobby and pretentious, they haven’t 
> been around hard core high end audio people. Oy!
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I also have a United Audio turntable. Can't recall but probably picked it
>> up for $10 at a yard sale.  Seems to work OK.  No idea of its true value.
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2022 at 4:46 PM greg via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
 Is Marantz still the best name in tuners?
 
>>> 
>>> I believe they were bought out and their current stuff is not anything
>>> special. My brother had a good friend who was an engineer for Marantz back
>>> in the day. He picked out a tuner that tested nearly perfect which is now
>>> in my brother's possession.
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Halgon Fire System in the Car!

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Halon is a chlorocarbon or fluorocarbon or bromocarbon gas, one of the Freon 
family.  It’s heavy, so it displaces oxygen, but the main effect is to suppress 
ionization which prevents combustion.  Same reason we make a high bromine Lexan 
where I work, it’s fire resistant.

The danger with Halon is that once you breathe it in, it stays in your lungs 
and will suffocate you.  

It’s also a serious ozone depleted.

Peter

> On Dec 19, 2022, at 10:40 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it also does not damage electronics so it was frequently used in data 
> centers. We had big signs posted warning "evacuate room immediately if halon 
> alarm sounds" and you had maybe 10 seconds or so to get out.
> 
> Halon is a greenhouse gas or ozone depleting gas (can't recall which -- maybe 
> both) so its use is greatly reduced from decades ago.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, at 18:50, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> I believe that Halon is now a forbidden material to use in fire
>> extinguishers for personal use, because Halon binds with oxygen which makes
>> it very effective for killing fires, it also removes active oxygen and
>> kills humans, or causes them severe injury.
>> When Halon first came on the market it was all the rage to have in
>> aircraft, which is no place to have a fire in flight Now, on the
>> forbidden list.
>> Or, I could be wrong... it's been some time since I've reviewed the use of
>> Halon. Since it works as a gas, with no dust, it was marketed as the best
>> thing since cold beer and sliced bread.. then .
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 4:12 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Not sure what that is.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2386336311528840/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Have to be underneath to change the starter.  Two bolts, long extension.

They tend to lock up when bad, I’ve had two do that.

Peter

> On Nov 22, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Pulled the valve cover and nothing going on there. I think the clank was the 
> valves popping back up. After cranking a while that seemed to go away. It did 
> act like it might be close to trying to start but then I think the starter 
> blew up. I didn’t thing I really cranked on it that hard to burn it up but 
> will try it again later. How hard is the starter to replace on one of these 
> from above?
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Re: [MBZ] Put a battery on that green SDL

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Clank while cranking is a bad thing.  Valves won’t make any noise since they 
sit directly under the cam, if they are flat from no oil they just won’t open 
very well.  

Bad rod, missing piston (yes, my friend Hans once got a  Benz at the shop with 
the #1 rod thrashing around in the bore, the piston was in pieces in the pan).  
Bad main bearing usually doesn’t make much noise cranking unless its REALLY bad.

And a bad torque converter will clank too.


> On Nov 21, 2022, at 7:26 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did forget to mention the car has one of this’d uncle Kent purge bottles 
> hooked to it, so it’s running off that rather than the tank. They also had 
> the shut off valve wired up so it couldn’t be pushed down. Not sure why. Now 
> that I remember that I need to see if it’s dropping down while cranking. If 
> it is, this would indicate they have the vacuum lines reversed. Could be 
> simple, but still that clank. 
> 
> 
> 
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>> On Nov 21, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Absolutely do NOT use ether on that engine — at best you will just kill the 
>> starter.  Ether ignites well before TDC on a 21:1 compression ratio engine, 
>> and driving the piston up into a full power ignition will surely overheat 
>> the starter windings!  It will NOT start on ether.  
>> 
>> No propane either, same issue.
>> 
>> Crack the lines and make sure you have fuel — a clogged filter or leaking 
>> suction line (there are several) or leaking pre-heater will prevent starting.
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2022, at 9:51 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In the video, it seems to spin over fast enough to make compression to
>>> start, I'd be tempted to give it a short squirt of diesel death in the
>>> intake just to help it light off enough to prime the injectors. If it's
>>> been setting for a "while" most likely it's lost prime to the injectors..
>>> crack the lines and prime the intake with a short blast of diesel death and
>>> look for fuel coming out at each injector line..
>>> Since it's only cranking at the underhood start switch cobbled in, it seems
>>> very likely the glow plug cycle is bypassed also. Steal a hair dryer or
>>> heat gun and preheat down the intake while you crank it a few times to warm
>>> up the cylinders then give it a blast of eather diesel death and crank
>>> it... it should light off for a short bit.. That will at least tell you if
>>> it will run..
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 7:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The 603 has hydraulic valves, but going point, one of them might be not
>>>> pumped up or something.
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/20/2022 8:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> Set the valves, prime the fuel system up to the injectors.
>>>>> Try starting it then. I think the clack-clack noise sounds like rocker
>>>> arm
>>>>> slap from a loose adjustment, which would mean a valve [or more than one
>>>>> cylinder of valves] are not opening, No air = no compression = no fire.
>>>>> Or, not.. Bring the car closer to the computer so I can get a better look
>>>>> at it.. ;))
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 2:41 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> No crank at the key. Discovered a starter button wired in under the
>>>> hood.
>>>>>> Cranks over but to me sounds like no compression and maybe a rod
>>>> clanking?
>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Put a battery on that green SDL

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Absolutely do NOT use ether on that engine — at best you will just kill the 
starter.  Ether ignites well before TDC on a 21:1 compression ratio engine, and 
driving the piston up into a full power ignition will surely overheat the 
starter windings!  It will NOT start on ether.  

No propane either, same issue.

Crack the lines and make sure you have fuel — a clogged filter or leaking 
suction line (there are several) or leaking pre-heater will prevent starting.

Peter


> On Nov 20, 2022, at 9:51 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> In the video, it seems to spin over fast enough to make compression to
> start, I'd be tempted to give it a short squirt of diesel death in the
> intake just to help it light off enough to prime the injectors. If it's
> been setting for a "while" most likely it's lost prime to the injectors..
> crack the lines and prime the intake with a short blast of diesel death and
> look for fuel coming out at each injector line..
> Since it's only cranking at the underhood start switch cobbled in, it seems
> very likely the glow plug cycle is bypassed also. Steal a hair dryer or
> heat gun and preheat down the intake while you crank it a few times to warm
> up the cylinders then give it a blast of eather diesel death and crank
> it... it should light off for a short bit.. That will at least tell you if
> it will run..
> 
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 7:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> The 603 has hydraulic valves, but going point, one of them might be not
>> pumped up or something.
>> 
>> On 11/20/2022 8:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Set the valves, prime the fuel system up to the injectors.
>>> Try starting it then. I think the clack-clack noise sounds like rocker
>> arm
>>> slap from a loose adjustment, which would mean a valve [or more than one
>>> cylinder of valves] are not opening, No air = no compression = no fire.
>>> Or, not.. Bring the car closer to the computer so I can get a better look
>>> at it.. ;))
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 2:41 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 No crank at the key. Discovered a starter button wired in under the
>> hood.
 Cranks over but to me sounds like no compression and maybe a rod
>> clanking?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Wife managed to kill the duramax

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Ugh.

My brother’s SDL got a short in the trunk light, and we had to run quite a bit 
of wire to fix the damage.

Trace back the harness, likely the hot wire melted some insulation all along 
the way, and you have some shorts in there.

Peter

> On Oct 24, 2022, at 6:14 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I figured out what she did.  She managed to plug the adapter in upside down 
> which sent the 12 volt acc straight to the ground of the 4 flat on the 
> trailer.  It burned that wire all the way to the frame of the trailer.  In 
> looking at the adapter, the 4 flat ground is fused to the adapter and I can't 
> even unplug it.
> 
> I replaced the tail light module, and problem was solved, at first. As I was 
> explaining to the wife what she did, which she then turned it back to being 
> my fault because I did not tell her how to plug it in, the damn lights came 
> back on.  The module has 4 harnesses that plug into it.  I started pulling 
> them and replacing, and somehow got them off.  Lights were back to working 
> like they should.  The module slides into a bracket which them bolts to the 
> frame.  I was going to leave it loose to make sure it actually continued to 
> work, but then decided to go ahead and mount it as it was working fine.  As 
> soon as I started messing with it, the lights came back on and I could not 
> get them back off.  I looked at the individual wires coming directly out of 
> the connector on the truck and none appeared to be melted.  I guess I will 
> have to take a closer look as there has to be something melted within the 
> harness.  I hope it did not screw up the new module, or possibly the old 
> module was not really bad.
> 
> On 10/23/2022 8:11 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I guess on the bright side if she was towing it with the GL and the trailer 
>> wiring shorted, it might have fried the rear Sam. It looks like the brake 
>> like module in the back that I suspect it fried is only $25 at the flaps.
>> 
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>>> On Oct 23, 2022, at 7:07 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maybe she needs to purchase her own vehicle she will be responsible for. 
>>> If she wrecks it or otherwise trashes it she can deal with it.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
 On Oct 23, 2022, at 8:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Back when we were daily driving 123s she managed to kill some of those 
 too.
 
>> On 10/23/2022 7:01 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> You need to get her a 300TD that will be immune to all that nonsense
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2022, at 7:32 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> Just from some quick research, it appears there is a body control 
>> module that may have gotten fried.  This is great.
>> 
>>> On 10/23/2022 6:29 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Since she killed the air suspension on her GL somehow, she had to take 
>>> the truck this weekend to haul the enclosed trailer to her show. When 
>>> she went to leave, she had somebody hook up the trailer and plugged it 
>>> in.  She says a few minutes later she notices smoke coming from the 
>>> wiring harness at the trailer.  Somebody taped it up with duct tape but 
>>> now she reports right turn signal not working. She gets home and of 
>>> course I have to back in the trailer.  I immediately notice an odd 
>>> scrapping sound coming from the steering wheel that has never been 
>>> there before.  After backing the truck in I unhook the trailer and of 
>>> course the ground wire is now bare all the way to the frame of the 
>>> trailer. I can tell much else with mess of duct tape but it somehow 
>>> managed to short at some point in the harness.  The wiring where it 
>>> starts going into the channels back to the lights look fine so the 
>>> short must be closer to the connector. Regardless I am sure I will have 
>>> to replace the end of the harness. I was finished messing with it for 
>>> the moment when I noticed as I was coming in the house that the brake 
>>> lights are on even with the truck turned off.  WTF?  I pull the fuse 
>>> and the rears go out, but the top mount one by the cab stays on.  I 
>>> cant find a fuse that will shut it off.  I got under the dash and 
>>> unplugged the brake lite switch and they still stay on.  I am not sure 
>>> if this 2002 is new enough to have the lights controlled by a computer, 
>>> or if this trailer situation shorted out something in the truck.  What 
>>> I find odd is the truck has fuses for the trailer lights, why didnt it 
>>> blow?  I sure hope I do not have a major wiring problem now.  It is 
>>> unbelievable how this stuff happens seemingly without fail when she 
>>> drives a vehicle.  She has another show next weekend.  Now that the 
>>> truck is 

Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 rim

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

That makes me wonder if they fail often, eh?

Would explain why there are none!

Peter

> On Oct 6, 2022, at 9:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A guy here has 4 210 wheels cheepcheep but they aren’t like 211 wheels. I 
> tried to find a wheel for my 04E500 and the yards were cleaned out. 
> 
> --FT
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> 
>> On Oct 6, 2022, at 8:16 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hey guys, I’m in need of a rim (standard factory) for a 2004 E320.  It’s my 
>> niece’s car, and the tire shop won’t put a new tire on the old one.  
>> Somehow, sometime (not likely by her) the inner flange got bent on that rim, 
>> and being alloy they cannot be straightened.
>> 
>> We haven’t been able to find one locally, drew a total blank at all the 
>> wrecking yards.
>> 
>> If you have one for sale, or know where I can get one, we’d really 
>> appreciate it!
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Peter
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[MBZ] 2004 E320 rim

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Hey guys, I’m in need of a rim (standard factory) for a 2004 E320.  It’s my 
niece’s car, and the tire shop won’t put a new tire on the old one.  Somehow, 
sometime (not likely by her) the inner flange got bent on that rim, and being 
alloy they cannot be straightened.

We haven’t been able to find one locally, drew a total blank at all the 
wrecking yards.

If you have one for sale, or know where I can get one, we’d really appreciate 
it!

Thanks!

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300E - 165k miles - $3,500

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

22-26 depending on driving conditions, less if nearly all urban.

My 300TE gets 18-22 on the highway when it’s running right.

Peter
> On Jun 10, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> "Cheap on Gas!"
> 
> Yeah not really. Maybe 20MPG at best? And on Premium.
> 
> https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/paoli-1987-mercedes-300e-gas-saver-160k/7494621809.html
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Re: [MBZ] Novavax COVID

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It’s the old fashioned type of vaccine, and should work pretty well.  Supposed 
to give nearly as much immunity as the mRNA vaccines, and it should have less 
side effects.

If you don’t think you can take the mRNA vaccines I’d definitely get the 
NovaVax.

I’m fully vaccinated at the moment, and will probably get the dual action 
booster from Pfizer when it’s available in August.

Peter
> On Jun 8, 2022, at 12:34 PM, greg via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> This was just approved by FDA. Anyone have any thoughts on this
> (allegedly) conventional protein vaccine?
> 
> I stopped with Pfizer's shots when I had a severe reaction (angina) 12
> days after the second dose, but would like more real protection.
> 
> Can this be trusted?
> 
> Greg
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Interesting DC-10 Article

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The story is a bit more complicated than that, obviously.

The L1011 was a much more advanced airframe, and the effort Lockheed put into 
the rear engine placement paid off in about twice the rudder area allowing 
engine placement further out on the wing.  Made the L1011 more fuel efficient 
and easier to fly.

Both planes suffered from some design or manufacturing problems — a all flying 
(one piece elevator/stablilizer)  tail bearing on the L1011 froze once nearly 
causing an accident when one elevator became locked in place just after takeoff 
causing some issues (but not a crash), but I don’t think any of the crashes of 
L1011’s was due to a design fault.

The big problem with all the wide-bodies was a weak floor.  Even the original 
747 had a floor that would collapse into the hold if the hold decompressed for 
some reason (blown door for instance, fire in the cargo, foreign object 
impact), but this was never an issue before the floors were upgraded in the 
late 70s because no one crashed one to reveal the problem.  Boeings doors, 
while problematic to close and seal initially, never blew off after being 
pressurized, nor did any on an L1011.  The weak floor is what crashed the 
Turkish airlines plane because the floor failure severed or jammed both control 
cables and hydraulics in all three systems to the tail, and pulled the rudder 
over and the elevators down when it happened.  No way to avoid the crash.

The Souix City crash was due to a failure of the main turbine disk in the 
center engine that detonated the engine and cut all three hydraulic systems.  
Miracle that anyone survived at all, let along half the passengers.  Another 
stupid defect because GE had decided than since they never found a flaw in a 
turbine disk they didn’t have to X-ray them after manufacturing, and this one 
had a casting flaw.  Truly brilliant, I think, and why GE is a leftover joke in 
manufacturing.

The problem with the door on the DC-10 was really the latching mechanism — it 
was changed by the American Airlines requirement that it be electrically 
operated rather than hydraulically as the Boeing door it was copied from, with 
the result that it could be partially latched but the latches would not slip 
open under pressure, the actuator sheared off instead.  Nothing wrong with the 
actual design of the over-center latch that would push harder closed under 
pressure after the “hook” goes over the center line, but the electric actuator 
can stall if there is too much friction and will NOT slip back like hydraulic 
actuators will.  If it slips open when the pressure starts to rise, the door 
will probably be torn off and the plane won’t pressurize, but no damage to 
empennage or fuselage bad enough to endanger th plane will occur — has happened 
several times to 747s and other aircraft using hydraulic latches.  

To prevent that, McDonnell Douglas set up a worthless locking/unlatch detection 
system with the vent flap driven directly off the operating handle instead of 
the far end of the lock system (like Boeing’s was).  After the Turkish Airlines 
crash the locking system was modified to match the Boeing one, and there was 
never another instance of door failure after pressurization.  The original 
locking/latch detections system should have resulted in the failure of 
certification, it was as bad as the 737 Max auto system using one instrument 
that crashed those, totally inexcusable.  It was also adjustable, so i you 
backed off the pins they would neither detect a partially closed latch nor 
prevent the vent door from closing (it seems a knee was applied to the handle 
in one instance….) and left the door very very unsafe.

The head of the FAA at this period was a Nixon appointee who had been the CEO 
of Beechcraft I think, who was “allergic” to Airworthyness Directives.  He 
preferred the “ gentleman’s agreement” system of ensuring airworthiness, with 
the results that several crashes due to known but unrepaired problems like 
cracked wing spars and corrosion issues were “fixed” by the airlines as they 
saw fit with “guidance” from the FAA rather than having the aircraft declared 
un-airworthy until fixed. Needless to say, may were NOT repaired with any speed 
as they were expensive fixes, and more crashes occurred.  Terrible idea.  

Compound that with the general chaos of the airline industry in the early 70’s 
with the oil crisis and all that, and it appears that the paperwork for the 
Turkish airline was comprimised during manufacture — it was “orphaned” when the 
original buyer backed out after it had been started and sat idle for several 
years.  Big mess, never fully cleared up.

Both aircraft were too large for the market, especially after fuel prices 
tripled and passenger bookings plummeted.  McDonnell slashed the price (it was 
originally higher than the L1011!) to get sales and then didn’t have the 
capacity to build the planes, Douglas had pretty much fallen apart as Douglas 
Sr. was getting well 

Re: [MBZ] lawm mower tire

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

typically they are a pain to get on the rim, if it’s not a huge amount more a 
tire and wheel assembly is a whole lot less work.

Definitely get a tub if you get a new tire though.

Peter
> On May 31, 2022, at 6:15 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> When I got the lawn tractor out this year it had a flat tire and another low 
> tire.  I aired it up but the one front tire looked iffy.  Went to mow today 
> before it starts raining again and it was flat.  Tried to air it up and it 
> has a big crack in the side wall and wont hold air at all.  One of the back 
> tires was also low again.  When dealing with these, is it better to just 
> replace the tire, the wheel and tire, put a tube in it, or try fix a flat?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Unrestored 1966 AMC Rambler Ambassador 880 - $16,500

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Vacuum operated, which was standard on Nash/AMC up to 64 or so.  Definitely our 
1960 Rambler had vacuum operated wipers.

I didn’t know the V8 was available in the ’66, that was the smaller body 
version.  After 1968 they got larger and the 327 was not only a strong engine, 
but very reliable too.

Always got a kick out of the Ambassador, and the fact that it had far better 
seats, better handling, better peformace, and better brakes than a Caddy.  No 
one would buy them, even though they were probably the deal of the century.  
Why not get 25 mpg and a second or two faster in the quarter mile?

My dad drove the AMX (I think that’s what it was) for a rental once, said it 
was a real road rocked.  That 327 would blow the doors off a Firebird or Camaro 
with a 455.  More horsepower, more torque, and I believe a higher rev limit.

Sadly no one bought them.

> On May 25, 2022, at 9:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Electric wipers!  What's the alternative?
> 
> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 6:14 PM mitch--- via Mercedes 
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>> My folks traded a dark blue Falcon wagon in on an Ambassador sedan.
>> Looked something like this:
>> 
>> http://motorlandamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/1969+AMC+Ambassador+Web+1-1387605968-O.jpg
>> 
>> Then, after buying a travel trailer and putting air bags in the rear
>> coil springs of the Ambassador, dad traded it in on this, which hardly
>> noticed the trailer:
>> 
>> http://old.superscoutspecialists.com/store/images/Product/swatch/2236.jpg
>> 
>> Yeah, my taste for unusual cars is hereditary.
>> 
>> There's a red Travelall parked in a driveway, unmoving, about 5 miles
>> from me. I like the idea of owning one, but know better than to think I
>> really want to own one.
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Re: [MBZ] '73 220 diesel on BAT

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That would be, what, 98% of them?

By sales and profit most of them are nonexistent.


> On May 19, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> On Thu, May 19, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> Insane. Just like everything else these days. 
> 
> Was just reading how venture capital is drying up in Silicon Valley. Any tech 
> businesses that aren't actually profitable on their own revenue are in for a 
> rough time.
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Re: [MBZ] Wow

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I would say the opposite, probably rear ended off center and shoved into the 
next lane and then t-boned.

Driver’s door had to be pried open, but unlatched.  Driver side rear door very 
likely works normally

hopefully no one was in the rear passenger side or passenger front, but likely 
only serious injury to legs and arms.  Not that the sear (and the floor) rose 
but stayed upright.  

Having personal experience with crashing a Benz, it’s hard to believe how 
little one is injured in a really bad crash in one.  Very little room left in 
mine at the floor pan (A pillar shoved in at least 18 inches), but the only 
damage to me was muscles spasms in my back, bruised nerves on a rib, and glass 
driven into the back of my arm.  

A friend of mine worked as an EMT in California — said you always knew who was 
in the Benz in an accident, as they would be standing on the side of the road 
when the EmTs got there.  Very very rare for all the doors to be stuck.
> On May 19, 2022, at 8:51 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks like t-boned and rear ended at minimum then maybe hit again. I wonder 
> if it was a survivable crash. No apparent biohazard issues. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On May 19, 2022, at 9:44 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, had to be multiple impacts there.  At least two, possibly
>> three or more.  (How did the engine end up laid over sideways,
>> anyway?)  Crushed on front quarter, rear quarter, and side-swipey
>> on top of all that.  Driver might have been OK, same with someone
>> behind him.  Other side pretty iffy.
>> 
>> Very few salvageable parts on that one.
>> 
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody watching the total eclipse of the moon tonight?

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Sadly thunderstorms and clouds here, else I’d be out there with my cameras.

Peter
> On May 15, 2022, at 10:01 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> Cloudy here as well 
> 
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>> On May 15, 2022, at 10:00 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Raining here.
>> Was cloudless last night.
>> Sigh.
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Re: [MBZ] I’m not even going to comment on this

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Lol, if you don’t wash all the glycerol out, the residual hydroxide will make a 
real mess of the injection system.  

Not really a back yard production idea.

Peter
> On May 6, 2022, at 10:38 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'll stick to making pepper jelly.
> 
> On Fri, May 6, 2022, 9:36 PM Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
>> To make biodiesel you need methanol or ethanol, sodium hydroxide and
>> vegetable oil (used or unused). You mix the sodium hydroxide with methanol
>> to make sodium methoxide or with ethanol to make sodium ethoxide. Either
>> one of these is then mixed with the vegetable oil. The chemical reaction is
>> a transesterification reaction producing biodiesel and glycerol. The
>> glycerol which is denser settles to the bottom while the biodiesel floats
>> on top. Further processing or washing is done to enhance the purity of the
>> biodiesel. It’s actually a very simple straightforward process. I made some
>> small batches many years ago for fun.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 6, 2022, at 8:51 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> It's commercial biodiesel refined fryer oil or simply soybean oil mixed
>> with a little bit of diesel?
>> 
>> On Thu, May 5, 2022, 11:43 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Good one!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 5, 2022, at 7:44 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Shifty deal
 
 --FT
 Sent from iFōn
 
> On May 5, 2022, at 7:33 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Probably better than running on waste fryer oil, but not sure by how
>>> much.
> 
> 
>>> On Thu, May 5, 2022, at 7:21 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - How My Day Started

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Lol, that’s like the second one I hit.  

Walked into the road in front of me, saw it coming so I stood on the brakes 
hard.

Busted the turn signal cover and tore the duct for the oil cooler, and probably 
pushed the fender back a bit, but nothing serious.  Deer, however, was 
thrashing around in the road and looked like it had a least a broken front leg. 
 

So I called it in, damned buck (big one) in the middle of the road late at 
night is an accident waiting to happen, and if it was badly damaged it need to 
be put down (and eaten….).  Deputy was on the way when it got up and shook it’s 
head and ran off.  

Deputy had a long chat about diesel cars, poor guy must have been on a long run 
of deadly boring patrols in the empty part of the county, but he was glad he 
didn’t have to kill the deer.

No thank you from that one either….

Peter

> On May 6, 2022, at 5:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Woke up about 4:00 am because I swore I heard deer antlers against the 
> neighbor’s chain link fence. Looked out, couldn’t see anything, went back to 
> sleep.
> 
> Mrs. Dan comes in around 6:00 and says that youngest son wants to talk to me 
> about the deer stuck in the neighbor’s fence. Really?
> 
> Go outside to see a young doe that had tried to jump over a gate in the 
> neighbor’s chain link fence and gotten it’s right rear leg caught on the top 
> of the fence gate. From a distance it looked like the deer’s leg was caught 
> in some of the ornamental metal on the top of the gate. It didn’t appear to 
> have broken anything, but was clearly stressed and struggling to get loose.
> 
> As this is Arizona and lots of people have firearms, we didn’t want to go 
> into the neighbor’s back yard unannounced, as we didn’t want to approach the 
> deer from the front. The house next door is an Airbnb, so we knocked several 
> times but got no answer. There were clearly people in it as there were cars 
> present and some banners around the front door congratulating a grad (it’s 
> graduation weekend at NAU).
> 
> We then realized we could get into their yard where a portion of the fence 
> had collapsed near the end of the property where it adjoins mine, so we 
> climbed over with some tools and a blanket to toss over the deer’s head to 
> calm it while we worked.
> 
> When we got close to it, we realized that it’s hoof was caught between the 
> chain link and top bar of the gate, so I crept back to the garage and got a 
> small bolt cutter.
> 
> I crept back, staying as low as possible to avoid the deer’s vision, came up 
> behind it and the fence, cut the chain link and freed the deer. It bounded 
> off in pretty good shape, leaving a little blood and fur behind.
> 
> Damned thing didn’t even say “Thank you”, but what do you expect from Bambi 
> when she came from a broken home?
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Re: [MBZ] Oh wow I might have to have this

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I believe the 240 was always a W123, the 220 only lasted until 1974.  Might 
have been a 240 for the last couple years  (73 and 74), but the W123 came out 
in 75 as the 240, the 300 W123 was I think 1976.  

At least until 72 the W115 was a pull knob start, and I think that was true 
until the W123.  300D/W114 got key start with a relay somewhere along there, 
but I don’t remember when — that is, the 5 cylinder diesel.

{eter
> On Apr 30, 2022, at 5:42 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
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> 
> I thought key-start was a W123 thing.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ford F150 5 speed

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Just needs a new starter solenoid most likely.


> On Apr 15, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> I was thinking this might be a good deal for when I need a truck until I 
>> read "starts with pliers"
> 
> It looks like a good basic truck.  Is it really a 6-cyl with 5sp manual?
> Didn't know they still made those that late.  Doesn't sound like the
> hardest repair ever, and what's wrong with pliers anyway?
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Very likely a voltage regulator in the alternator going bad.  Has happened to 
me a couple times now.

If you drive at night you will see a dim glow on the alternator warning light, 
nothing more.  

Also, check to make sure the courtesy relay isn’t bad, it will draw an amp or 
so with the lights off when it goes bad, will drain the battery in a couple 
days.

Peter
> On Apr 2, 2022, at 5:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
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> 
> The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). Battery 
> is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with Bosch reman. I 
> haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on like dome light etc. 
> What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely that alternator is bad 
> again?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Inop battery charger

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Most likely dead electrolytic capacitors or an open rectifier diode.   There 
may be a fuse as well.

> On Mar 25, 2022, at 5:53 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have this old Sears battery charger that I have had a long time. Always 
> worked fine then one day it didn’t. I have not opened it up yet to see what 
> might be bad. Do these things have fuses or some such in them?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 2022 as a year for finishing up old projects

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Also check the exhaust for obstructions, there is usually a spark/flame 
arrester in the muffler that will carbon up and prevent proper running.

I nearly killed myself trying  to start a weed eater my brother gave me, would 
start and run a few seconds and then stop.  Cleaned the carb, fresh fuel, check 
the spark, etc.

Turned out to be a mud dauber nest in the exhaust, which on that weedeater is 
exactly the side they like.   Poked that out and it ran like a champ….


> On Mar 24, 2022, at 4:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm sure I'm not the only one who's got old projects hanging around 
> uncompleted.
> 
> I don't even remember how long ago I brought dad's Echo chainsaw back from 
> camp. Before 2016 anyway for sure. I don't remember if I ran some bad gas in 
> it or it had just sat but either way I brought it home and pulled the carb. 
> I'd bought a carb kit and then got distracted. The other day I very nearly 
> took it to the dump but decided to take one last look at it.
> 
> Surprisingly I found at least most of the parts, well I've got a whole bunch 
> of screws and a spring I can't account for in the cup with the other parts 
> from the saw, not sure if I mixed two projects or what. Anyway the other 
> night after dinner I got it mostly back together, I even took some time to 
> clean things, there was a lot of accumulated dirt and sawdust.
> 
> Today I took it out and fired it up. It runs but I need to find a small 
> enough screwdriver to adjust the carb, yes it's old enough that the carb 
> adjustments are easily accessible. It'll run at idle but quits as soon as you 
> gas it. Shouldn't be that hard to adjust out.
> 
> It'd be handy to have another good saw and that one has always run well...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Retired

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Congratulations on living long enough to retire! 

I have a couple years to go yet for financial reasons, although I qualify for 
full SSS in June.  Have to make up for all those years of college and graduate 
school.

Peter
> On Mar 24, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> As of 1730 March 18, 2022, my 37 year career of making ‘lectricity was done. 
> It hasn’t sunk in yet, I still feel like I’m just taking time off. 
> What few, basic plans that we made for what we wanted to do upon retiring 
> have had the Kabash thrown on them for the time being now that we are in the 
> throes of eldercare. 
> I start my cancer treatments in two weeks. Six weeks of living in San Diego. 
> It will be good to get this taken care of. 
> Right now I feel like I have the fat kid plate at the Boo-fay. I’ll be glad 
> when some of these things start coming off. 
> What are my first tasks is trying to convince SWMBO that we need to make a 
> circuit of the United States ensuring that we get to New England around 
> September Chowder Q time. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I guess the gorilla tape bumper repair will be all SWMBO gets

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Dash cam, worth it’s weight in gold.


> On Mar 1, 2022, at 5:50 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Basically what the story is she was driving in the left and dude with trailer 
> was in right lane.  He allegedly swerved into her lane while passing on the 
> right and his trailer caught the bumper.  The other dude claims SWMBO swerved 
> into his lane.  Cop arrives but this is basically a he said she said deal.  
> Supposedly guy later admitted in front of cop that he did in fact come over 
> on her side and it was his fault.  Cop asks if they want a police report and 
> citations issues, or if they want to let insurance handle it.  Wife opts for 
> no report.  I let wife know as soon as she contacts their insurance, there 
> guy will say it was her fault.  That is exactly what happened.  I guess SWMBO 
> is screwed.  Not sure how she will prove fault without a police report.  IMO 
> if he really admitted fault in front of cop, cop would put that on report, if 
> their was one.  I let SWMBO know you ALWAYS demand a report when it is the 
> other guys fault.  She says it was my fault because she called me to ask and 
> I did not answer.  I did not answer because I was in meetings trying to work.
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Re: [MBZ] OT gas water heater, pilot won't stay lit

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I had to try two different ones on the furnace in the garage to get the pilot 
to stay on.  I suspect the problem is the connection end, but it’s possible for 
the actual thermocouple to not generate enough current.

Better than the modern electronic one that fail because the overheat protection 
comes on and stays on…..


Peter
> On Feb 19, 2022, at 8:34 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Was at oldest son's house today trying to help with his water heater. It has 
> a pilot light and it won't stay lit. I suspected the thermocouple was the 
> problem, went to Lowes and bought one of their generic replacements for $10. 
> Installed, and the problem is unchanged.
> 
> So for $10 I guess there's some chance the new thermocouple was bad out of 
> the box. But how likely is that? Can they be tested with a voltmeter?
> 
> The only other possibility that I can think of is that the gas valve unit 
> itself is bad, and it's not sensing the signal from the thermocouple.
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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones

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There is very little speed advantage except at the very high (and very short 
range) frequencies, which also do not penetrate glass or wood or brick/concrete.

I don’t see any real improvement in service any time soon, especially for rural 
areas.  1x was great for actual telephone service, as long as you were at least 
as close as a couple miles you got a strong signal.  I can see the Verizon 
tower from my house and never have more than three bars of signal strength….

5G is mostly marketing, and in an era when we should be reducing electrical 
consumption to reduce greenhouse gases, uses a lot more electricity to run.

Gotta love the toy business, eh?

Peter
> On Feb 15, 2022, at 2:08 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Curt wrote:
> 
>> T-Mobile also makes a huge thing out of their 5G coverage but is
>> only good for like 1000-1500 ft compared to 4G's 10 MILES.
> 
> As I understand, here are (at least) two parts to 5G.  The mm wave
> that is very short range - but also 600 MHz.  T-mobile got a big
> chunk of the formerly TV spectrum from 614-698 MHz.  And they have
> been investing and building in rural areas with these
> frequencies.  So T-Mobile coverage from 2 years could be quite
> different than now.
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Re: [MBZ] Garage heating options

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Heated floor is the way to go, takes less heat to stay warm and you don’t get 
condensation of the floor in the spring.
> On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:40 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If I were building a shop from scratch, I would put hydronic heating in the 
> concrete floor, with an OWB (outdoor wood boiler) and natural gas or propane 
> boiler backup. Even if the shop is 45 degrees, a warm floor would make a 
> world of difference.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
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> 
> Electric space heaters are 100% efficient at -40F.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 722.9 4matic transfer case rebuild surprisingly easy

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The problem with Mercedes automatics is that, unlike earlier domestic ones, 
they usually have some incredible amount of mileage on them before they require 
work.  My 300D has gotten flaky, first time i’ve had issues with a Benz auto, 
and it has at least 400K miles on it.

That means that it’s not a matter of replacing seals and clutch packs — 
typically the thrust washers on the planetary gears are worn out, support 
bearings need to be replaced, and the check balls are all worn out.  I remember 
a number of 20 plus for those check balls, and most of them are different 
sizes.  And often the gear sets are getting badly worn by then too.  Domestic 
boxes hardly every get than much mileage.

Cost my brother $1500 to have the one in the SDL redone when it started 
slipping — rebuilt torque converter, new clutches, new thrust washers, and a 
new pump.  

Not as easy as a Torqueflight or Ford C6.  Some special measuring tools needed 
for the planetary sets.


> On Jan 25, 2022, at 5:39 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ve done it, but again, it was on domestic boxes (PowerGlide, THMs, C4s, 
> etc.) and some years ago, but in all honesty it’s not that difficult if 
> you’ve got a clean place to work and some good quality snap ring pliers and 
> compressed air. Heck, with the resources on the Interwebs these days it’s got 
> to be a heck of a lot easier. And yes, there are a lot of third party places 
> selling parts for them, although I would make sure I get stuff like seals 
> from Mercedes or a reputable supplier.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I was thinking he might be a resource for your car.  Auto transmissions have 
>> always been kinda voodoo for me but watching his vids show they are not 
>> particularly complicated, and parts seem to be readily available, mostly
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 1/25/22 5:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Yeah I like his videos. He has a couple on the Honda CRV/Element 
>>> transmissions that gave me the idea that I might be able to rebuild mine.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, at 5:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
 This guy has a transmission shop and has posted some good videos of
 transmission repairs including 722.9s.  This one is of the transfer case
 that is part of the whole transmissions, it looked surprisingly easy to
 do the repair on a worn front output shaft. The 722.9 vids show it is
 not particularly complicated to repair the clutches and such, the
 biggest problem would be getting it out and back in
 
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Re: [MBZ] car is bored over .30 with comp cams lifters. 2001 Mercedes-Benz S-Class S 55 Sedan 4D, $1, 234

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

You can bore them, but you have to know what you are doing and how to etch the 
aluminum away from the silicon “liner” material so you get proper oiling of the 
cylinder walls.  My buddy Hans had one done a while back (20 years or so) when 
someone overheated a 560 badly and scored the cylinder walls.  

And I agree, sounds fishy to me.  Unless those were AMG cams, I’m not aware of 
“competition cams” being available for Benz engines, they don’t use factory 
engines for racing to the best of my knowledge!


> On Jan 23, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I didn't know it was even possible to bore out a Mercedes engine.  This makes 
> no sense.  Sounds like a 350 was dropped in
> 
> Car has a full rebuilt title with replaced motor from Mercedes’ and trans by 
> renntech in Germany.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D tach & cluster lights

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Check the connector on the back of the engine for the crank position sensor 
(which can also be bad).

Idle will be erratic if that sensor or the connector is bad.

Peter
On Jan 4, 2022, at 9:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

> The tach is squirrelly in the 87 300D.  It has been constantly jumping up to 
> about true rpm then down somewhere below that, sometimes to 0 with no 
> pattern.  I tried a couple years ago to remove and tighten the dash ground, 
> with no difference.  I know the EDS is bad.   I know the tach signal goes 
> through the EDS, then to the tach, so it is possible the EDS is causing the 
> problem.   On the 123/OM617, the fault is usually the ground, but this seems 
> to be something different.  Anyone got suggestions what to look for or how to 
> cure this?
> 
> Also most of the dash light bubs are burned out.  Is there a LED solution to 
> better the OE type light bubs?
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Re: [MBZ] Got plates on the E500

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

My brother has it's twin.  Just did the front end last year -- struts and 
control arms.  

Peter

On Jan 9, 2022, at 4:31 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

> And a wash and wax on a 70F January day. Looks quite spiffy for boring beige. 
>  It’s a quite nice car.  Needs new front tires and ball joints and control 
> arms though. More to come!
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: When lithium batteries as cargo goes wrong...

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

This is one of the theories concerning the loss of that Malaysian Air 777 -- it 
was KNOWN to have a large shipment of lithium ion batteries on board, loaded 
right up against the partition separating the cargo from the electronics.  

There was a fire on a stationary 777 not long before is a similar spot, 
although mostly avionics, and that fire disabled the oxygen system for the 
cockpit and burned through the outer skin very quickly.  Communitcations 
equipment was fried but the autopilot computers are in a different location and 
were not affected I think.

Lithium ion battery fires are a known hazard, and the number allowed on 
passenger flights was greatly reduced after the Malaysian Air incident.

Not hard to imagine the pilots had a fire warning followed immediately by 
depressurization and loss of oxygen in the cockpit resulting in the plane 
flying until it ran out of fuel with everyone on board frozen solid.  Not the 
first time, happened in a 737 some years ago, plus several private planes at 
high altitude.

That 777 is one tough bird, you can even slam it into a pier and stand in on 
it's nose at 150 mph and have nearly all the passengers walk off of it.  


On Jan 9, 2022, at 10:31 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

> To be fair, what other material could be transported by an air freight
> carrier that would self ignite and burn so quickly and so hot that it would
> destroy an airline size plane in minutes, without exploding?
> Lithium batteries seem the most likely, and by the size and sudden
> intensity of the fire, replicated by some Tesla fires, most probable.
> There will be an NTSB investigation, and info from that will give the
> details.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 8:36 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> To be fair, it seems to be only speculation at this point that batteries
>> were in the cargo.
>> 
>> https://avherald.com/h?article=4f2d32d7=0
>> 
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] It's an electrical topic but I'm a woman and I don't have time to deal with this. 2007 Mercedes-Benz GL-Class, $4, 100

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Lol, I don't think being a woman has anything to do with not having time (or 
ability, or in fact possibility) to deal with electrical problems on modern 
cars.

They are usually actually computer problems and often unsolvable

Peter
On Jan 8, 2022, at 11:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

> Es un tema eléctrico pero soy mujer y no tengo tiempo para lidiar con esto.
> 
> 
> on the dashboard comes out a message "go to the workshop without changing 
> gear"
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Is it true this time?

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Unless I get cancer, I'm likely to last a very long time myself, Mom passed 
away last year at 97, her sister lived to 97, colon cancer got her brother at 
80 something, not an issue today if you get your colonoscopies on time.

I've already outlived by dad, dead at 51 from heart disease, just like his dad, 
but his brother just passed away this summer at 95.

Gotta thing about that when you plan retirement, it's a whole different ball 
game if you have to plan on 30+ years of not working instead of 10.


On Dec 31, 2021, at 4:00 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

> Same here. My Dad pretty much offed himself at 58 smoking a pipe and getting 
> esophageal cancer - still one of the deadliest cancers 35+ years later. Mom, 
> bless her heart, lasted into her mid-80s and probably would lasted longer had 
> she been more active. Like Van (Knutson) used to say, outside of external 
> influences like smoking, your lifespan is pretty much defined by your genes. 
> With that in mind I figure I'll last a while as most of my elders on both 
> sides went well into their 90s.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Allan Streib via 
> Mercedes 
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 4:51 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is it true this time?
> 
> No kidding. I figure if I make 80 I'll be happy, considering neither of my 
> parents made it that far. Of course not smoking and not working with X-rays 
> will probably/hopefully help.
> 
> Allan
> 
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2021, at 4:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Heck, I would be ecstatic to make it that far and be in as good a shape
>> as she was in.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Kaleb
>> Striplin via Mercedes 
>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 4:24 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is it true this time?
>> 
>> It’s kind of a shame she couldn’t make it to 100.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2021, at 3:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> January 17th, I believe. They were going to simulcast her birthday 
>>> celebration in movie theaters for paying customers.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Dec 31, 2021, at 12:48 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I thought she was already over 100.
 
 
>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2021, at 2:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> https://amp.tmz.com/2021/12/31/betty-white-dead-dies-golden-girls/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] waste oil burners

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

My buddy has an oil burner in his shop, that's where all my used oil goes.

Works like a regular furnace, only thing is that you must clean the ash out 
regularly.  His was completely plugged when he bought the place, quite a mess.

I'd buy a commercially made one if possible, they work better than home made, 
and are much less likely to give you carbon monoxide poisoning.  My buddy's 
uses compressed air for atomization.

Peter

On Dec 31, 2021, at 3:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

> For some reason YouTube has decided that I am interested in videos of 
> homemade waste oil burners. Anyone doing this to heat their garage/shop?
> 
> I am not sure I have enough waste oil for it to really be workable, but if I 
> saved it all instead of recycling it, I might have enough to run a heater 
> occasionally when i am working in the garage.
> 
> I use a propane salamander heater for that now, which isn't great because it 
> puts a lot of moisture in the air, which then condenses on all the cold tools.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 70F here today, polishing headlights on E500

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Get some 40mil protective film and apply, that way when they turn foggy and 
brown again you can just peel off the film and put on fresh rather than polish 
the lens again.

I did one repair on my Golf and then bought glass covers to replace the 
plastic.  Vastly superior.  Don't know if there are glass replacements for that 
car though.


On Dec 25, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

> A little work and they look almost new!
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Need Idle Adjustment?

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Probably needs mainfold seals and throttle body boot, it's impossible to set 
the idle mix with those leaking.  Also prone to bad wires on the temp sensor 
(the issue with my TE at the moment, need to fix that).

Not many tech left who know these any more.

Peter

On Dec 18, 2021, at 9:04 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

> Looks muy bueno
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 12/18/21 9:50 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/907423800168283/
>> 
>> Looks nice. Wish it was closer. Never heard anyone say “needs idle 
>> adjustment”.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Uhhh this isn’t suspicious at all

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Stolen for sure.

On Dec 17, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> 1988 Mercedes Benz 300te station wagon
> 
> https://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/pts/d/oklahoma-city-1988-mercedes-benz-300te/7421550580.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Home Interior Finish Issue

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Ugh, I have that stuff in my house too, but at least it's cherry and pretty 
nice and staying up.  

There is one more (expensive) proposition, since these are interior walls, and 
that is to pull it all down and replace it.  Last resort, I think, but better 
than having all the door trim shimmed out.  

Double drywall will make the house much quieter though!

I would pull some down and see how well you can clean it up and skim coat.  
Worst case the wall will be "patchy".  I'd do the smallest room first to see 
how it works before the hallway where you have to look at it every day.

At least it's not like all those old houses in Bloomington, IN that got 
converted into student rentals where crap grade masonite "paneling" was nailed 
up through the plaster.  Usually broke enough that over a few years the whole 
mess came down.

Peter

On Dec 15, 2021, at 5:24 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

> The house I bought in Flagstaff is a typical 1970s brick ranch, 3/2, 2300 SF 
> or so. There were two owners prior to us.
> 
> At some point in the past, one of the previous owners put wood paneling on 
> the walls in the hallway and several bedrooms. They did this with a 
> combination of finish nails and construction adhesive over the original 
> drywall. Ugh. I have removed some of the paneling, exposing the remains of 
> the construction adhesive and the holes from the ring shank finish nails they 
> used.
> 
> I would add, not that it matters, that one of the previous owners also 
> painted the paneling. Yellow. Double ugh.
> 
> So I’m wondering what the best approach to remediating this awful paneling 
> might be. My thoughts:
> 
> Remove the paneling and adhesive as best as possible. A lot of the adhesive 
> remains are brittle and will come off the drywall, but in some cases it won’t 
> or if it does it pulls the paper off with it. I figure I can skim coat the 
> drywall and use some spray texture to cover these areas. It won’t look great, 
> but it will be far better than painted paneling in our opinion.
> 
> The only other possibility I can think of would be to put more drywall over 
> the existing drywall to have a consistent surface. Either way I’ve got to 
> pull things like door casing and base molding and reinstall or install new. I 
> haven’t looked into it, but I'm wondering if there is some sort of thin 
> drywall or panel material I could use. This would be a lot less labor 
> intensive, for sure.
> 
> I’m curious as to anyone’s experience with similar situations and how you 
> dealt with it.
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: [MBZ] KC135 Trivia Was RE: OT - Reboot Your Aircraft

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P3 Orion is the military version of the Lockheed Electra II, and the C-130 
Hercules is the high wing version (different fuselage, essentially the same 
wing).

It was designed as the "first class service" airplane when jets were not 
reliable enough for passenger plane use, I think around 1952.  I think the 
Hercules went into service in 54, but I would be wrong.

As a result of the expected competition for jet service, the Electra was VERY 
powerful for the time, I think those turbo-props are 4000 shp or so.  It flew 
at 470 or 480 mph at 45,000 ft, although usual operations were more like 20,000 
I think due to fuel consumption.  Not a whole lot slower than the 707 or DC-8, 
neither of which were speed demons.  

NOT the worlds most comfortable planes, they shook like hell and the wings 
visibly "flapped" in flight, especially at low speed.  Delta had their first 
class cabin in the rear, it was the quietest part of the plane.  Only airplane 
I ever got close to getting airsick on.  

On the other hand, as CR Smith, the founder of American said, you had to be an 
idiot to crash one.  Barring mechancial failures, all you ever had to do to get 
out of trouble was open the throttles and pull up, it had tremendous power at 
low speeds due to the props.  It is possible to make a normal landing in one a 
full landing weight, then open the throttles after touchdown and fly it off the 
runway.  

I suspect you could fly it almost like a Hercules in an emergency -- hold the 
nose down on the runway just past V2 and pull back on the stick -- the 
Herkybird will climb at 45 degrees at full take-off weight doing that, probably 
need a shallower climb to keep from slamming the tail on the runway on an 
Electra.

P3s have some incredible on station air time, they are very fuel efficient at 
submarine tracking speeds.

Being replaced with 737 variants, I suspect mainly because the are all getting 
very old with incredible hours on them and no new parts, the Electra went out 
of service in the early 70s and I don't think Lockheed made any past the late 
60s/

On Dec 5, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

> I got to ride on a P3 once in college.  A buddy of mine was in ROTC and there 
> some sort of recruiting thing where the Navy was giving rides on a P3 so he 
> signed us up.  The pilots were a coupla hotshots, and we were the only others 
> on board, so they put on a show for us.  It was lots of fun, the airplane was 
> very powerful and could do a lot.  My buddy eventually became a fighter pilot 
> and I lost track of him after a few years.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 12/5/21 12:05 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>> AFAIK only the B52 is the only older (1952) design still on duty.
>> The P3 Orion is based on the Lockheed L-188 Electra, I think they are still 
>> on duty? I don't know if that's older than the 707 but gotta be close.
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Re: [MBZ] KC135 Trivia Was RE: OT - Reboot Your Aircraft

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I thought they had finally replaced the engines, long, long overdue.

Should make them much easier to fly a low speed, the original 707/KC135 was a 
handful with poor lateral stability and VERY low power at landing speeds.  

BOAC rejected the first version because it would not fly without full power on 
at least one engine on each side -- considering the history of jet engines at 
the time, and the fact that there was an extra hard point to carry a spare 
engine on each wing, it wasn't out of the realm of real possibility to have 
both fail on one side during flight.  Turns out even the J57 or equivalent was 
a very reliable engine

BOAC took them after a large ventral fin was added to the tail underneath and 
the rudder made substantially larger.  I don't know if those mods were made to 
the KC135.  Very soon after than they all got P$W turbofans too, which helped 
at low speed.

J57 equipped KC135 or original 707 at full up weight required a 15,000 ft 
runway and water injection.  Upgrading the engines would definitely reduce the 
takeoff run, probably by a lot.  I wouldn't see that as a problem


On Dec 5, 2021, at 12:01 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

> No longer a factor.  All surviving KC135s are reengined from the old J57 
> turbojet to more modern fan engines with twice the thrust and 25-40% better 
> fuel specifics.  
> A classmate (with much KC time) once opined the better engines would only 
> force them to take off with more fuel from shorter runways.  Back in the J57 
> days it was typical to offload fuel before take off on hot days (while 
> taxiing to the runway).  
> The basic KC EWO mission was to proceed to the assigned orbit and pass gas 
> until they themselves flamed out or were recalled. 
> With care, the KC boom could tow an unpowered fighter, done several times in 
> SEA.
> 
> On\, December 4, 2021 6:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote
> 
> Good thing my high end hearing isn't good anyway then!  Turbojets scream 
> something aweful!  
> 
> On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> You ain't heard nuthin 'til you are in the back of a KC135 during a wet 
>> (J57) takeoff.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes
>> Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 6:37 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Peter Frederick 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
>> 
>> All the low bypass turbojets are noisy.  I flew in a British one once, don't 
>> remember what it was, but it had two Rolls Conways in the back.  Very noisy 
>> engines.
>> 
>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying 
>>> 707s. I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation,  sadly it never sold 
>>>> as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. 
>>>> 
>>>> Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as 
>>>>> a member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private 
>>>>> travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of 
>>>>> these were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well 
>>>>> as charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have 
>>>>> pictures of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with 
>>>>> them overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them 
>>>>> as well, they might have had more, I don’t recall.
>>>>> 
>>>>> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were 
>>>>> standing next to them out on the tarmac.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would 
>>>>>> have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston...
>>>>>> 
>>

Re: [MBZ] Barn Find 1969 Mercedes 220 Diesel

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Those are diaphragm type pumps run by a plunger, not a set of rollers.  If you 
don't get the bolt right, they clank.


On Dec 4, 2021, at 6:30 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

> Ah, yes. I forgot that. I did have to rebuild the vacuum pump on my 220D,
> but I don't remember why.
> 
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:43 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> These have manual shutoff, no vacuum. It could be the vacuum pump making
>> noise.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 2:25 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would have said pull the valve cover and look at the rocker arms until
>>> you opened the fill cap and the sound didn't change. You had vacuum to
>> kill
>>> it, so not the vacuum pump. A rod???
>>> 
 On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:01 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Finally got it to run. Supposedly engine was rebuilt and within a short
 period of time, it started making noise. I see what they are talking
>> about.
 Need to figure out if it’s serous or something simple.
 
 
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>>> 
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>>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>>> 
>>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
>> Wernher
>>> Von Braun
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>>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Good thing my high end hearing isn't good anyway then!  Turbojets scream 
something aweful!  

On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

> You ain't heard nuthin 'til you are in the back of a KC135 during a wet (J57) 
> takeoff.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 6:37 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Peter Frederick 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
> 
> All the low bypass turbojets are noisy.  I flew in a British one once, don't 
> remember what it was, but it had two Rolls Conways in the back.  Very noisy 
> engines.
> 
> On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying 707s. 
>> I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation,  sadly it never sold 
>>> as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. 
>>> 
>>> Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as a 
>>>> member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private 
>>>> travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of these 
>>>> were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well as 
>>>> charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have 
>>>> pictures of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s.
>>>> 
>>>> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with them 
>>>> overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them as 
>>>> well, they might have had more, I don’t recall.
>>>> 
>>>> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were standing 
>>>> next to them out on the tarmac.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would 
>>>>> have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Curt
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via 
>>>>> Mercedes wrote:   L-1011 was very advanced for its 
>>>>> time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If 
>>>>> the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have 
>>>>> been more commercially viable.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 
>>>>> was their swan song.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's 
>>>>>> part of the fun.  :D
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed 
>>>>>> and we hadda switch to a DC-10.  Very comfy ride.
>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I've heard it called Jack Welch disease, but it's really Bably Boomer Tantrum 
disease.  Long term planning doesn't extend past tomorrow at breakfast, and 
squeezing money out at any cost is all that counts., once the husk is dry you 
sell the company and buy another.  The only thing that counts is getting what 
you want the instant you want it!

Been watching this coming for decades, and it's why we have "supply chain" 
issues.  Half the energy wasted in the world is used shipping raw materials all 
over the world to make goods that are shipped back

Peter

On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

> We used to have Douglas, then McDonnell-Douglas, then they merged with 
> Boeing, unfortunately although the name Boeing survived, it seems like the 
> engineering culture of the old Boeing was dominated by the business culture 
> of MD.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 3:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> It’s really sad we basically only have airbus and Boeing for main line 
>> commercial aircraft. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> L-1011 was very advanced for its time. I believe it was the first 
>>> commercial airliner with auto-land. If the engines hadn't been sole-sourced 
>>> wirh Rolls Royce they might have been more commercially viable.
>>> 
>>> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 
>>> was their swan song.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
 Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD.
 
 Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's part of the
 fun.  :D
 
 My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed and we
 hadda switch to a DC-10.  Very comfy ride.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I remember, it was a BAC 111.  Baby Trident, one of the earliest T-tail rear 
engine planes.


On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

> When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying 707s. 
> I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation,  sadly it never sold 
>> as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. 
>> 
>> Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as a 
>>> member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private 
>>> travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of these 
>>> were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well as 
>>> charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have pictures 
>>> of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s.
>>> 
>>> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with them 
>>> overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them as well, 
>>> they might have had more, I don’t recall.
>>> 
>>> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were standing 
>>> next to them out on the tarmac.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would 
>>>> have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston...
>>>> 
>>>> Curt
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via 
>>>> Mercedes wrote:   L-1011 was very advanced for its 
>>>> time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If 
>>>> the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have been 
>>>> more commercially viable.
>>>> 
>>>> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 
>>>> was their swan song.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's part of the
>>>>> fun.  :D
>>>>> 
>>>>> My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed and we
>>>>> hadda switch to a DC-10.  Very comfy ride.
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

All the low bypass turbojets are noisy.  I flew in a British one once, don't 
remember what it was, but it had two Rolls Conways in the back.  Very noisy 
engines.

On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

> When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying 707s. 
> I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation,  sadly it never sold 
>> as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. 
>> 
>> Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as a 
>>> member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private 
>>> travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of these 
>>> were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well as 
>>> charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have pictures 
>>> of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s.
>>> 
>>> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with them 
>>> overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them as well, 
>>> they might have had more, I don’t recall.
>>> 
>>> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were standing 
>>> next to them out on the tarmac.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would 
>>>> have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston...
>>>> 
>>>> Curt
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via 
>>>> Mercedes wrote:   L-1011 was very advanced for its 
>>>> time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If 
>>>> the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have been 
>>>> more commercially viable.
>>>> 
>>>> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 
>>>> was their swan song.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's part of the
>>>>> fun.  :D
>>>>> 
>>>>> My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed and we
>>>>> hadda switch to a DC-10.  Very comfy ride.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation,  sadly it never sold as 
well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. 

Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well.


On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as a 
> member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private travel 
> club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of these were used 
> for international and long-haul domestic flights as well as charters. There 
> was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have pictures of it. I think it 
> was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s.
> 
> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with them 
> overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them as well, 
> they might have had more, I don’t recall.
> 
> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were standing 
> next to them out on the tarmac.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would 
>> have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston...
>> 
>> Curt
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> 
>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via 
>> Mercedes wrote:   L-1011 was very advanced for its 
>> time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If the 
>> engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have been more 
>> commercially viable.
>> 
>> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 was 
>> their swan song.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD.
>>> 
>>> Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's part of the
>>> fun.  :D
>>> 
>>> My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed and we
>>> hadda switch to a DC-10.  Very comfy ride.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Old people problems

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Been there, done that.  Far better than dying of preventable colon cancer, like 
my Uncle did 30 years ago.

Still not something I look forward to though.


On Nov 29, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> It’s that season of life, tomorrow morning is colonoscopy time. For the other 
> old farts on this list, I’m sure you know how today will be going for me. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: How long have you been here? Csn you remember?

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I came to the list via the W108 discussion groups some years back.  My 108 has 
been gone a few years now — mostly gone below the belt line, fenders, doors, 
suspension mounts, trunk floor, rockers, passenger floor.  It was fun while it 
lasted!

Guess I’ve been around at least ten years, maybe 15 since I had the W108 when 
my 300D got totalled.

Peter
> On Jun 5, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am not entirely sure how long I have been reading this forum. I looked 
> back, and determined that I acquired the 76  300D in July 2005. I think I 
> joined this list soon after that.
> I might have done so before I bought the car as it was something I considered 
> doing for a long while. I had participated in a list run by John Meister out 
> of Snohomish WA for a while. He was the character that was into Jeeps big 
> time as well as diesel Mercedes. He was also into photography and posted a 
> lot of good photos on his website. Wagoneers.com, I believe but I think he 
> sold the domain name later.
> 
> In any event, here I am, about 14 years later with the same car and no extras 
> kicking about like many of you have. I would like to have more but I lack 
> space etc.
> 
> RB
> 
> On 04/06/2019 5:28 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote:
>> I recall not when I washed up on this list, but Dickarde and his watches 
>> were a hot topic at the time.  That would have been the precursor to the 
>> Okie list.  I think it was due to being banned from the snitter/fleasly list 
>> a few times, as well as another, for being liberal with my condemnation of 
>> the garbage cars coming out of Mercedes at the time.
>> 
>> 
>> clay monroe
>> 
>>> I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what 
>>> I'm looking for didn't fall out.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2019, at 5:44 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had to think back - I joined the Joe Amelia SL list in 1998 when I bought
>>> the SLC, then migrated here when Joe sold his SL for a sailboat and gave
>>> his list to Kaleb. Been here ever since.
>>> I guess that since I traded the Mercedes addiction for an airplane
>>> addiction, I should leave, but you guys are just too entertaining ...
>>> 
>>> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] OT The Chip That Changed the World,Most of the wealth created since 1971 is a result of Intel’s 4004 microprocessor.

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The 4004 was a good chip for 1971.  There were others, but the 4004 was adopted 
by NASA I believe for hand held calculators, and being made in large quantities 
(for the time) and not a proprietary military chip, became the basis for a lot 
of early small computers.  Mainframes at the time had a lot of discrete 
components.

Sadly the Japanese inventor decided he didn't want to live in America any more, 
and went back to Japan after the 4004 was finalized, and all subsequent 
developments were derivative.  The 8008 and Z80 (clones by other people of 
Intel designs are not new) were adopted by Digital Research as the basis for 
their computing equipment (with an amazing 5GB hard drive!) in the late 70s, 
and we've been stuck with them ever since.

I suspect the lack of innovation also had a great deal to do with the very 
early death of the founder of Intel, and the company has been run by corporate 
drones ever since.  

Can't criticize the 4004, it was a good design, but later implementations 
because worse and worse, and when 286 CPU came out Intel could not design a 
math co-processor chip using CMOS technology, and the NMOS version routinely 
caught fire in use.  They had to help set up AMD to make a working chip, and it 
still required a lot of extra cooling.  

Coupled with Mommy getting Billy a deal from an old friend and IBM's inability 
to make functioning hardware or write an OS after VMS, we got stuck with low 
grade software pirated from someone else and second rate processors.

Water under the bridge now, and the Intel based computer will be history soon.  
Hopefully Windows will be too!  No intel chips in cell phones, eh?


On Nov 16, 2021, at 2:34 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

> Intel's CPU architecture is too complex. Endless security problems such as 
> Meltdown, Spectre, Rowhammer, with no good mitigations that don't cripple 
> performance. More to come for sure.
> 
> ARM64 in higher core counts is the next wave. Apple's M1 processor is the 
> first really mainstream example.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, at 1:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yet Intel stock underperforms its peer group...
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 11:37 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes. the link works. Now I'll read the article.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 9:39 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 See if this link works, WSJ say it will.  Very interesting article
 
 
 
>>> https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-chip-that-changed-the-world-microprocessor-computing-transistor-breakthrough-intel-11636903999?st=hx6g922ishd7qzx=desktopwebshare_permalink
 
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>>> 
>>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
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Re: [MBZ] The joys of life with a W115

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Even on a lift you get oil all over.

My friend Hans used to complain about it all the time.


On Nov 8, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> It’s been many years since I have changed the oil in a 115 but I usually end 
> up with oil all down my arm. Not fun. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2021, at 3:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yesterday afternoon I decided I should change the oil on the car before I 
>> store it for the winter. We are supposed to start getting more seasonal 
>> temperatures by the end of the week which means it will be fairly cool here. 
>> This past weekend was nice and today is nice with a current temperature of 
>> plus 10 C but by the end of the week we will more likely have temperatures 
>> barely above 0 C.
>> 
>> I am sure it would be fairly easy to change the oil on a hoist but doing it 
>> on the ground on these things is messy to say the least. The oil  pan is no 
>> real issue but the oil filter is a mess. Those of you who have been down 
>> this road will know what I mean. Removal is not so bad as once the bolt is 
>> backed out it will drop down pretty easily. It is heavy and will be slippery 
>>  due to all the oil that runs out but that cannot be helped so far as I am 
>> aware.
>> 
>> Putting it back in is another story. One must do it by feel as there is 
>> little space available and no way to see much in there. Also not enough 
>> space to feel all of the way around to ensure it is lined up nicely. Years 
>> ago, I had a situation where I managed to thread the bolt into the slot 
>> rather than the center hole and that slightly damaged the housing and caused 
>> me to have to remove it and straighten it and reinstall. Since that mishap, 
>> I have been very careful not to let it happen again. Yesterday, I got the 
>> bolt started and then turned the housing back and forth some while 
>> tightening it up to satisfy myself that it was actually lined up on the 
>> adapter on the motor. That may have been my downfall as I may have disturbed 
>> the o-ring. When I filled the engine with oil and started it up, it leaked 
>> badly around the filter housing. I removed the filter again and looked it 
>> over. All appeared to be alright so I wiped off the excess oil and installed 
>> it again. This time, I did not move it around and it sealed fine. So, at the 
>> end of the day, I have some wasted oil and some dirty clothing and some oily 
>> spots on the garage apron but I have new oil in the car.
>> 
>> But, I am getting old and slow and getting up and down umpteen times is hard 
>> on an old guy. It took me all afternoon to accomplish this fairly simple 
>> task and I still have some cleanup to do this evening.
>> 
>> And yes, I know if I moved up to even the W123 I wouldn't have to deal with 
>> this as I could do it all from above. However, I have this car and it is no 
>> longer easy to find a W123 in good condition without spending a fortune, and 
>> I would miss my car anyway.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300TE

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

You can get a DUI on a lawn mower here (plus it's illegal to use one as a motor 
vehicle).  I'm not sure about a DUI on a horse, as the horse can do the driving 
it it knows where it's going -- and they usually do if it's a regular route.  
Won't save you from a public intoxication charge though.

On Nov 7, 2021, at 7:25 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

> He’s been guilty of all those things listed. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2021, at 1:11 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> From the first article.
>> 
>> Arizona Transportation Law §28-812. Applicability of traffic laws to bicycle 
>> riders states that a bicycle rider is no different than the driver a motor 
>> vehicle, including DUI charges.
>> 
>> “A person riding a bicycle on a roadway or on a shoulder adjoining a roadway 
>> is granted all of the rights and is subject to all of the duties applicable 
>> to the driver of a vehicle by this chapter and chapters 4 and 5 of this 
>> title, except special rules in this article and except provisions of this 
>> chapter and chapters 4 and 5 of this title that by their nature can have no 
>> application.”​
>> 
>> https://www.thelaw.com/law/biking-while-intoxicated-bicycles-and-dui-dwi-law.152/
>> 
>> https://www.alcohol.org/dui/riding-bicycle/
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Rick Knoble via 
>> Mercedes 
>> Sent: Sunday, November 7, 2021, 1:55 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Cc: Rick Knoble
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300TE
>> 
>> That is an exceedingly BAD idea. If he is on foot, he can get a public 
>> intoxication charge. If he operating ANYTHING that moves, he WILL be charged 
>> with OWI. Bicycle, lawnmower, golf cart, skateboard, doesn't matter.
>> 
>> Best idea is quit drinking. 2nd best option is Uber, Lyft, cab, designated 
>> driver. 3rd best is shoeleather express.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Bob Rentfro via 
>> Mercedes 
>> Sent: Sunday, November 7, 2021 1:31:49 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Bob Rentfro 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300TE
>> 
>> Roger that.
>> I need to find an ML or a wagon so Einstein can good his bike in the back 
>> and if he has drank and can’t make the breathalyzer work he can just get the 
>> bike out and ride home.
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Re: [MBZ] 300TE

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

NEw front struts and ball joints probably.  No transmission trouble for another 
100k miles anyway.

If not done, expect to replace links and subframe mounts in the back.


On Nov 7, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

> The dude finally got back to me and said that the AC is blowing warm that’s 
> all he knows and that’s about all the information he’s giving me. He said the 
> suspension back is just fine. I guess coming from a non-MB person that could 
> mean about anything. I wonder what a reasonable I’ll come and take it off 
> your hands and trailer it home price would be? Should 277K i’m aW124 give me 
> pause?
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2021, at 8:46 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If hte evaporator is bad (rather ;likely) and the reason the AC doesn't 
>> work, you are looking at a huge job to replace it.  I did the one in theTE 
>> (and still don't have AC) and it took me an entire weekend.  
>> 
>> If i's a compressor seal or a bad condenser it's easy, and you can have the 
>> hose repaired by a hydraulics place using barrier hoses.
>> 
>> Other issues are SLS, usually rides like it has no suspension when the 
>> nitrogen spheres are bad (becaues it has none, only the tires).  Not a bad 
>> fix if you can get the parts.
>> 
>> I have had to replace all the suspension links in my W124s, and the spring 
>> link bearings, look for a wobbly rear end and thumping noise.
>> 
>> KE-Jet can be a problem if it's not working right, although generally pretty 
>> trouble free.
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2021, at 10:31 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think I may have posted this before. The owner finally got back with me 
>>> and said that the AC issue is that it’s blowing warm, the blower motor 
>>> works. And the maintenance work it’s needing is just the typical oil 
>>> changes and stuff like that. So what specific questions should I ask about 
>>> this having no experience with W124 wagons? What is a good price for this 
>>> potential breathalyzer wagon wagon? 
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
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>>>> From: robert.rent...@aps.com
>>>> Date: November 6, 2021 at 8:27:49 AM MST
>>>> To: azbob...@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> https://sandiego.craigslist.org/ssd/cto/d/chula-vista-mercedes-300te-mercedes/7401861134.html
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Bob Rentfro
>>>> Nuclear Operations Training Instructor
>>>> 5801 South Wintersburg Road, Tonopah, AZ 85354-7529, M.S. 7896
>>>> Office 623.393.6372 Cell 623-695-2072
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Re: [MBZ] 300TE

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

If hte evaporator is bad (rather ;likely) and the reason the AC doesn't work, 
you are looking at a huge job to replace it.  I did the one in theTE (and still 
don't have AC) and it took me an entire weekend.  

If i's a compressor seal or a bad condenser it's easy, and you can have the 
hose repaired by a hydraulics place using barrier hoses.

Other issues are SLS, usually rides like it has no suspension when the nitrogen 
spheres are bad (becaues it has none, only the tires).  Not a bad fix if you 
can get the parts.

I have had to replace all the suspension links in my W124s, and the spring link 
bearings, look for a wobbly rear end and thumping noise.

KE-Jet can be a problem if it's not working right, although generally pretty 
trouble free.

Peter


On Nov 6, 2021, at 10:31 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

> I think I may have posted this before. The owner finally got back with me and 
> said that the AC issue is that it’s blowing warm, the blower motor works. And 
> the maintenance work it’s needing is just the typical oil changes and stuff 
> like that. So what specific questions should I ask about this having no 
> experience with W124 wagons? What is a good price for this potential 
> breathalyzer wagon wagon? 
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: robert.rent...@aps.com
>> Date: November 6, 2021 at 8:27:49 AM MST
>> To: azbob...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> https://sandiego.craigslist.org/ssd/cto/d/chula-vista-mercedes-300te-mercedes/7401861134.html
>> 
>> 
>> Bob Rentfro
>> Nuclear Operations Training Instructor
>> 5801 South Wintersburg Road, Tonopah, AZ 85354-7529, M.S. 7896
>> Office 623.393.6372 Cell 623-695-2072
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Re: [MBZ] Dune

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Frank Herbert was ahead of his time with that.

I'm not a "believer" in computers or AI -- which is really a fast computer and 
an ever-growing lookup table programmed to pattern match.  No intelligence 
implied or intended, and it can go VERY wrong.  Facial recognition and self 
driving vehicles are a case in point.


On Nov 4, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

> Frankly, I found some of the Brian Herbert prequels (like House Atraides and 
> House Harkonen) more engaging but probably only because I had already read 
> the later books.
> 
> Interestingly ( considering current trends) the theme that runs throughout 
> all of the series is a prohibition against "thinking machines" (what we would 
> call AI).
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Clay via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 4:23 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Clay 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dune
> 
> I found it only really begins to make sense after you get through God 
> Emperor, as that tome lays out all the missing background of how the worms 
> work.  Dune is pretty much a comment on Iran/Iraq and big oil from 1919-1965 
> and exploitation by the west.  The next books in the series delve into the 
> mystical nature, with God Emperor and the next two trying to tie it up in a 
> neat bow.  The Brian Herbert books REALLY delve into the nuts and bolt and 
> expand the universe filling in nooks and crannies you can only guess at their 
> import in his father’s writing.
> 
> clay 
> 
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think I will have to read the book now. It seems intriguing.
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Re: [MBZ] Dune

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I read the whole series when it was new, and was disappointed with the later 
books.  Author bit off more than he could chew, I think.

Re-reading them a few years ago they came across as very adolescent.

The original movie was worthless, wrong director and butchered script.  book is 
way to dense to put into a 2 hr movie, and David Lynch appears to live in a 
1970's "alternative bar" where everything is nearly unlit and the walls, 
ceiling, and floor are all painted flat black.  Terrible movie

I'll pass on the new on too I think.


On Oct 31, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> Many years ago I attempted to watch that movie and couldn’t get past 10 
> minutes. The next day took another stab at it and ended up watching the whole 
> thing but can’t say it made any sense. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 9:35 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Never read Dune but it sounds almost like reading “A Clockwork Orange” 
>> where you had to consult the glossary throughout the story to understand 
>> what the various slang terms meant.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m big into sci-fi but not really this sort of sci-fi. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Oct 31, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 I read the book a couple months ago, I agree that it's a lot better than 
 the movie. Definitely a book for sci-fi readers though, could be difficult 
 if you weren't used to hardcore sci-fi.
 Curt
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
 On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 5:51 PM, Greg Fiorentino via 
 Mercedes wrote:   Both of your observations match 
 mine. I do recall being very impressed with
 the book, then disappointed with his following works. The '84 movie was
 poor. This one certainly needs a middle and end, but I also thought I 
 needed
 to watch it again. Why don't we have any great contemporary scifi like we
 used to have?
 
 I once met Ray Bradbury. I told him he was one of my favorite authors. He
 said I had very good taste.
 
 Greg
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott
 Ritchey via Mercedes
 Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 6:22 PM
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
 Cc: Scott Ritchey
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dune
 
 The new Dune is just as long as the '84 version but ends about a third of
 the way through the story.  It looks like the first episode of a trilogy or
 mini-series but I see nothing online about follow-on episodes.
 
 I found the book confusing when I first read it back in the '60s but the
 book has several appendices that explain things.  Several times I stopped
 reading the main story to read the relevant appendix.  I think Dune could 
 be
 a good series (more than 3 episodes) but it is (IMO) foolhardy to try to
 tell the whole story in a movie.
 
 There were several other sequel and prequel books based on Dune.  Some
 better than others.  The prequels explained how the Dune-era "world order"
 came to be. 
 
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 From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 9:07 PM
 To: Dan Penoff via Mercedes ; Floyd Thursby via
 Okietalk 
 Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
 Subject: [MBZ] Dune
 
 I am currently watching this new Dune movie that I guess is a remake of the
 1984 Dune movie.  So far it is about a confusing and boring as the first
 Dune movie.  It has been decades since I have seen the original so maybe I
 need to try to watch it again for comparison.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Why bother

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Top bolts are usually impossible to access in the car, especially on models 
designed for one engine but later "updated" to a larger one.


On Oct 23, 2021, at 11:37 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

> Yeah he got a bunch of bolts out but not the top ones so he just pulled the 
> whole deal. Was actually probably easier to do that than fool with it under 
> the car
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Oct 23, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On several Benz models it is nearly impossible to remove the transmission 
>> from the engine in the car.  My brother's 75 W114 was like that, had two 
>> upper transmission bolts missing, you can get them out but not back in with 
>> the engine in the car.
>> 
>> Less likely to drop the transmission of a jack too.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> With just the trans when you can get the whole damn thing
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Why bother

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

On several Benz models it is nearly impossible to remove the transmission from 
the engine in the car.  My brother's 75 W114 was like that, had two upper 
transmission bolts missing, you can get them out but not back in with the 
engine in the car.

Less likely to drop the transmission of a jack too.


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> With just the trans when you can get the whole damn thing
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Turned in my notice

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

This reminds me of a story a friend of mine told about his experiences with 
American telephone systems.  Got new management (probably a merger) and they 
went through making waves and the local manager was an ass.  

Had a big meeting about staffing, and my buddy, who isn't afraid of much, poked 
the guy next to him and said "are you going to tell them or should I" -- guy 
said you, so Dennis got up and said 

"I've got some bad news for you.  You came in here, threatened everyone, 
trashed what they were doing, made it impossible to get things done correctly, 
and everyone put out resumes.  The best people are already gone, and everyone 
else is waiting for a job offer.  If you don't remove yourself from your job 
and get some real management in here, you will be the only person at work"

And sat down.  Two days later they had a new boss, but the damage was done.  As 
he said, the best people were already gone, and many of the good ones left 
shortly after that.

Management morons who have only a Harvard Business School MBA and no actual 
(running a machine to generate product) experience are incapable of managing a 
cow defecating, and will generally destroy a good business long before they 
learn that every single thing they "learned" in "management school" is bullshit 
made up to keep people like Hatchet Al well paid, and America de-inductrialized.

Note that Hatchet Al singlehandedly destroyed about 90% of American light 
industry/housewares -- his answer to everything was fire everyone and contract 
overseas, then leave before the stock price plummeted and the company went 
bankrupt.  He is still used as an example I think, without noting that every 
single company he "fixed" went out of business within a couple years.


On Oct 22, 2021, at 12:33 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

> Exit interviews are the only way to provide feedback to upper management,
> that isn't also invented by them.  In other words, if they institute some 
> changes
> that piss-off/demoralize everybody, and half the people leave, they can easily
> justify demonizing the 'traitors'.  At least, until it's too late and the 
> company folds.
> 
> In yet other words, if you leave they'd rather think "money-grubbing bastard"
> than the potentially-true list of:
> 
>   Outsourcing to India makes my job harder, by making my customers 
> unhappy.
> 
>   Your policies are telling me that my family/home life isn't important.
> 
>   Your policies are telling me that _I_ am not important.
> 
>   ...
> 
> They can still ignore you and make up self-serving crap, but at least you've 
> tried to help,
> on your way out.  (Not that they'll thank you for it!)
> 
> It's hard to believe that management always seems to subscribe to the 
> engineering maxim:
> "If it ain't broke, fix it until it is!"  But if it weren't for this, old 
> companies wouldn't die and make
> room for new, slightly-smarter ones.
> 
> I was once offered more money to stay after I turned in my notice.  I told 
> him that I
> was getting a 2x salary bump, a promotion, and stock options (that eventually 
> paid
> off my mortgage, bought me my Dodge diesel, and my 560SL), and that I didn't 
> see
> how he could counter that.  He just said "yeah, I had to try, but I can see 
> why you're
> leaving."
> 
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[MBZ] Lost some friends today.

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Been a sad day here, my 10 year old tomcat was having trouble breathing this 
evening when I came up from the garage and passed away on the trip to the 
emergency vet clinic.  Vet said it was probably heart disease complicated by 
blood clots, and probably a pulmonary embolism.  He was pretty fat, I've been 
struggling to keep him under 18 pounds the whole time I've had him.  Inherited 
him and three other cats from a friend who passed away suddenly six years ago.  
I still expected him to last a while longer, clean bill of health last regular 
visit to the vet.  

And on top of that, my friend Hans Benden passed away from cancer a couple 
weeks ago, my brother just found out.  He was my source for all things Benz, 
since he graduated from the Mercedes Benz school in Dusseldorf in the early 
60's.  He had stopped working on cars except for a few friends, but still got 
us parts at VERY reasonable cost and provided endless advice.  A very good 
friend, of the best kind, and his widow said he really enjoyed me and my 
brother, sharing car stories and my brother did quite a bit of work for him.  

Reminds me that I'm old.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] VDO mechanical odometers

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Absolutely not.  Will cause more friction than running dry.

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Re: [MBZ] VDO mechanical odometers

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

That should work.  Main point is to get the zinc gear to drive the rest of them.

Fails at high mileage because there is more pressure on the gear when all the 
digits have to move.

Easy enough to pull the shaft back enough to get the loctite into the hole, 
then push it in and spin it to spread the glue around.
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Re: [MBZ] aiming headlights

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I'm in the process of getting the headlights on the new Golf somewhere near 
correct.  Set way high when I got it, and I have to pull the bumper cover this 
weekend to remove one headlight and get the high beam bulb set correctly (no 
room, pulled the bulb and then can't ge it back in place)  Stupid turbo to 
intake pipe is directly behind the high beam access.  I suspect the headlights 
aren't installed correctly anyway, even with the adjustment full down the high 
beams light up the trees above the road and not the road.

Standard for low beams is a 2" drop at 20 ft from the centerline of the 
headlight (should be a faint dot at that point on the cover) and the beam 
should be 2-3" to the right of the centerpoint.  HIgh beams should be straight 
forward with the center just below level at 20' -- you want the light to hit 
the road several hundred feet in front of the car, not the trees above the road.

It is difficult to see the center of the beam, actually works better early 
morning or late afternoon before full dark or full light since you can only see 
the high intensity portion.
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Re: [MBZ] VDO mechanical odometers

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Typically the zinc gear at the right end (miles or tenths) that drives the 
odometer has started slipping.  The proper fix is a new gear -- pull the 
driving shaft to the left without letting any of the other wheels move, remove 
old gear and press the shaft into the new one at the correct depth.

Vastly easier is to pull the shaft back a small amount and put a tiny spot of 
red Locktite on the shaft next the the zinc gear and push it back in.  Should 
lock it well enough to drive the odometer.  Be VERY careful not to apply it to 
any of the number wheels, of course, as this will lock it up.

Trip odometers have a similar issue on the secondary shaft.  Sometimes just 
pressing the gear back into place works.
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Re: [MBZ] How to jumpstart an Airbus?

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Closest I've been to that is trying to leave Chicago for Xmas a while back.  
Plane was parked stern to the 40 mph 5F wind, wouldn't start, had to wait for 
the boost cart.  Took forever, the ground crew could only be out 15 min at a 
time or so, frozen de-icer everywhere.  Terminal was icy, every time they 
loaded a plane all the heat blew out, I swear it was barely above freezing.

I don't travel in the winter anymore.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Don't see these too often

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I don't know, when the heater levers actually moved, those old VWs would cook 
food in the back seat.  Only on the highway, of course.

I used to crack the drivers vent window, that would greatly increase the heat 
flow.

needless to say, ours were pretty rusted up, my sister drove it at Purdue for a 
couple winters and never took it to the car wash.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: VDO mechanical clock cleaning/lubrication

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Unless you have experience with clockworks, I'd leave it alone. They are very 
well sealed and don't seem to collect dust and dirt, and if it's keeping time 
the lubricants are good.

It's a simple clock, wound as described with a fairly soft spring, so low 
loading.

If you do want to lubricate it, you really need to dis-assemble, clean all the 
pivots and jewels (and I think  it's a jeweled movement, at least the fast 
running parts), then assemble and lubricate with VERY small amounts of 
synthetic clock oil applied with a clock oiler.  That is, a small wire with the 
end flattened into a tiny spoon that delivers the correct amount of oil.  You 
only need enough oil to fill the space between the pivot and the hole, and just 
barely the shoulder behind the pivot (the pin like bit that goes in the hole).

Do NOT add oil to an old clock, even a sealed one without complete cleaning.  
Any dust or grit around the pivot will get carried into the hole by the new 
oil, and it will start grinding.  New oil usually won't thin out gummy old oil 
either. 

I'd assume it was lubricated with high quality synthetic clock oil in the first 
place -- Elgin developed them in the 30s.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Collector value is easily 3x this price.1988 Jaguar XJS Convertible 2D, $5, 000

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Fire hazard.  My friend worked on one (under duress, long term customer) and 
said it was both a nightmare and underpowered compared to his 560.

Saw it burned out on the side of the road a few months later.

The V12 had a number of issues, first being that it was stuffed into a vehicle 
designed for an inline 6, hence no room to work on it - also true of the 72 280 
SE 4.5 - and the exhaust ports were not right, so it ran hot all the time.  FI 
was too close to the exhaust as well, so the injector lines were over-heated 
and failed regularly, spraying fuel on an overheated exhaust, almost always 
resulting in fires.  

Nice museum piece.  

If you simply cannot resist one, get one made while Ford owned Jaguar -- vastly 
higher build quality, although all the engineering problems remain.
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Re: [MBZ] Not Pretty, But...

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

We had a 4.3L in the work van I ended up using for a while after it wasn't 
usable on the sample collection routes.  By 350,000 miles (and 300k or so on  
the engine, the original puked early and was replaced under warrenty I think) 
it was running OK but pretty weak.  Wouldn't start hot without a shot of ether, 
so I kept a can of starting fluid in it in case I needed to run errands.

I ran it between work and my contract job to keep the miles off of my own cars 
for a couple years.  Knocked like crazy when I started driving it, but a few 
tanks of premium fixed that -- once it stopped knocking, the pistons burned 
clean of all the carbon that was causing the pre-ignition I think.  Compression 
was probably pretty low, and I'm sure it needed a valve job -- but doing one 
would probably have sent a rod through the side of the crankcase pretty fast.  
I'm fairly certain the only reason it hadn't blown up was because the 
compression and hence horsepower was low.

Body and suspension were in bad shape and the driver's door was falling off.  
But man, we got our value out of that thing!  Base model, mono radio and a 
heater, had to cut rear windows in the doors.  One of the best handling 
vehicles I've used in bad weather too.

Great engine for a sawed off V8 bored to within an inch of it's life (started 
out as a 283 cu in V8!).  3000 mile oil changes probably didn't hurt either.

Retired it in favor of a junk Nissan Sentra of 1990 or so vintage, well 
acquainted with the tin worms, and when a spring broke in that and the idiot 
boss I had at the time wouldn't pay to have it fixed I drove my own cars.  
Safer, and it ends up probably saved my life as I was driving my 300D when the 
guy ran a stop light and t-boned me.  If  I'd been in the rusty Sentra it would 
have been hard to find all my body parts I think, it would have folded up and 
squashed my like a bug.



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Re: [MBZ] Soldering irons

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

That one isn't bad, but you can get, for a few more dollars, one with a digital 
readout.  Easier to control since you can set it properly, and typically they 
all use Weller type screw-on tips.  

I got one with hot air two for adventures in surface mount repair, which so far 
has been pretty much a disaster.  No longer have very steady hands, and that 
occasional un-commanded twitch can send a dozen tiny bits off into the great 
never-never.

Certainly worth $35 to get good heat control though!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Locomotive Power

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Diesel electric locomotives have had remote operation since the 50's I think.  
Servo linked controls in the "remote" engines so the act just like the lead 
engine.

Big multi-conductor cable next to the pneumatic brake hose on all cars.  Been 
standardized for a very long time.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Garage door mayhem

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

You may want to replace the capcitors in the power supply for the motor head, 
I'm finding all sorts of issues cured by clean DC.  Easy to check with an 
oscilloscope, if there is significant AC on the filter cap for the circuit 
boards it's gonna act strange.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The Noctilux was designed to be used wide open in high contrast light, 
especially street photography.  I think Canon had a similar lens with a max 
aperature of 0.95, also low contrast.  Stays soft even at f5.6 too.  Minimal 
image curvature wide open too with little distortion.

That's why you get so much detail in night photography.  Not terribly useful 
for bright light, for that you want a Tessar -- four elements instead of 8 or 
9, so much less degradation from the image going through so many lens surfaces. 
 Killer images.

Just like high horsepower engines, lenses rapidly become single use devices 
when you want the most image quality in a specific situation.

I don't personally think there was a huge difference between Leitz lenses and 
the best from Japan in the 80s, certainly in microscopes I'd rather poke my 
eyes out than use a Leitz with 1950's lenses rather than an Olympus with wide 
aperatures and flat field, I got sea-sick looking at blood smears on the Leitz. 
 Serious field curvature, the image swooped into and out of focus as you moved 
the slide.  Counting white cells was awful.  By the late 70's everyone was 
using computers to do the hard work, and everyone made very good to excellent 
lenses, and it's very hard to tell them apart -- the main differences seem to 
be in color rendering.

The biggest issue with Leitz was that they were hand built.  Beautiful cameras, 
and they were very nice to handle, but you paid someone to take a rough set of 
parts and individually fit them together to make that lovely device.  Precision 
assembly, with half a million adjustments, lenses included.  Parts are only 
partially interchangeable, and on the rangefinders EVERYTHING was adjustable in 
the focus and rangefinder, including azimuth.  Bonk one and it had to go to the 
shop and have someone fix all the adjustments!

Nikon F  or old Nikormat you could use as a weapon between shots without 
damage, ditto for Pentax cameras -- my brother left his on top of the car and 
drove off once, saw it bouncing down the road after it fell off in it's case.   
Still worked fine, meter was even accurate!

The Japanese discovered precision manufacture after WWII, and while they aren't 
as beautifully built, all the parts interchange rather than being "adjusted to 
fit" together.   Very good cameras at less than half the price of Leica and 
pretty much indistinguishable image quality, although like audio, some people 
maintain they see differences the vast majority of other's don't!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Film

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I have an ancient Zeiss folder (pre-war) that takes 645 size images, and it was 
mediocre when I got it.  While I was living in Canada, I got to poking around 
and discovered that the open surfaces of the Cooke Triplet lens had gotten 
fogged from the lubricant in the focusing helicoid.  

Fortunately it was quite easy to dis-assemble the lens and clean those surfaces 
-- just fogged, no damage and no coatings.  

Once back together it takes very good photographs so long as there is no issue 
with glare -- since it's uncoated or single coated, anything with point sources 
of light causes quite a bit of flare.  Max aperature is 6.3, so it's a bright 
light camera for all in intents and purposes, and I've not used any color film 
in it yet to see how it does with color images (probably some fringing in the 
corners I'd guess).  

Very handy as it's quite small.

I also have a 6x9 Russian Moskva that I've not used much, I think it needs a 
shutter service.  Wish I'd had it when I was doing some of my photography back 
in the 80s -- that large format and high resolution film like AgfaPan 25 makes 
for spectacular images.

Digital is quick and easy, but getting that sort of resolution and enlargement 
ability just isn't there unless you drop 30k or more on a back.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes - now electrical

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

You are correct.  Probably a rusty harness connector somewhere.

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Re: [MBZ] Engine is locked up in the Mercedes 2008 Mercedes-Benz M-Class ML 350 Edition Sport Utility 4D, $3, 200

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Need to verify that it's the engine and not a locked up starter..

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Re: [MBZ] 1972 250C - 47k miles - $10,000

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Only California cars had emissions controls in 72 that affected operation.  
Positive crankcase ventilation started in 65 I think, don't remember, and 
evaporative emissions controls in 68 but no charcoal canister yet.

73 was the year EGR was required, catalysts started appearing in 74.

Crash resistant bumpers were 73.
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Re: [MBZ] Roof replacement and USAA

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I put metal shingles on my roof a while back, 16K.  30 year shingles were 9k, 
I'm happy to have a very nice roof with a 50 year warrenty on it.

I had Metro shingles put one, special ordered white ones to cut down on the 
heat in the summer.  lowered the electric bill some, and it's dead quiet 
because the shingles are not in contact with the decking except at top and 
bottom.  They screw down on the top and hook at the bottom.

Put new chimney caps on at the same time, and re-laid the loose brick on the 
main chimney.  Other than cleaning one valley of leaves once in a while, I will 
never have to get on the roof again.

Put new gutters on at the same time, had some repairs needed and the guards the 
contractor liked wouldn't fit with the strap hangers on the old gutters, so 
when he said it was $300 more to put on new gutters and downspouts I jumped.

May or may not suit your needs, and standing seam is also 50 year, doesn't look 
as nice.  I don't really care, I just want a maintenance free long life roof.  
Someone else can deal with it 20 years after I'm dead.
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Re: [MBZ] Variation/accuracy in feeler gauges

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Either the KD Tools is mis-marked or it's gorssy inaccurate.  0.15mm is 
0.005905", so 0.006 is a s close as you are going to get with hand tools.

Might want to check a couple more "leaves" on the KD Tools set, if they are out 
too throw it out.  Decent feeler gauges aren't that expensive and ones that are 
far out of spec are a cause of trouble.



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Re: [MBZ] Chimney plaster repair.

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Interior chimney, interesting.  Usually those on an outside wall are outside of 
the house.

Nice job, should last a very long time.  However, I personally would check the 
cap and brickwork above the roof -- I expect the plaster failed due to water 
intrusion.  

My brother and I put new caps on my chimneys and re-laid the brick on the big 
one before I put metal shingles on.  Should last another 60 years, in which 
case repairs will be someone else's problem!
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Re: [MBZ] Dead tree

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Farm fields locally growing soybeans?  Dicamba.


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Re: [MBZ] NC Covid shots

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Covid on Dec 20th, vaccine Feb 2nd.

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Re: [MBZ] NC Covid shots

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I don't think anyone, anywhere, has had a reaction to the vaccine that was 
worse than even a mild case of CoVid.

Typical reaction is a sore arm for a day, worst I've heard of is feeling really 
sick for 12 hrs or so.  

When I got it, I felt like crap for a week. high temp, sweats, lost my sense of 
smell and taste for a week, and I'm not sure it's all back even 7 months later, 
and my Mom died from CoVid.  Brain fog lasted six months, I'm only now as sharp 
as I should be.  Vaccine for Mom was available less than ten days after she 
passed.   I got mine as soon as I was allowed, first of Feb.

Get the vaccine.
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