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Well Craig did it to me! After looking at his link I had to get a Lister and a 12 KW gen. Head! It should be at the dock to pick up Tuesday. Now the work will start, I need to put down a slab put up a shed wire things up take the lister apart and clean up make the mounting for it and the gen. Head. A lot of work but should be worth it in the time to come! I will be running it on WVO. I will also put my Biodiesel making things in the same shed. I have not seen a lot of guys into making biodiesel in the Toledo Ohio area. I will be running it in my 1985 300SD as well as my 1993 Dodge Bruce http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biodieseltolarea/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:43:45 -0800 Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys need to check this guys gen. project out http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/lister.html This was posted a couple of months ago, but it's nice to look at again. Craig ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 08:18:09 -0500 Bruce Lulfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Craig did it to me! After looking at his link I had to get a Lister and a 12 KW gen. Head! Oh, boy! Now I've done it! Actually, you have Rory to thank. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biodieseltolarea/ On one post, you say, I have not started to make bio this year yet. Most of the oil is still solid. I have talked to a few people that would love to try out the glycerin on there cement driveways. What is the connection of glycerin to driveways? Craig
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Sorry, I mostly gloss over most OT things but I have a weekness for anything diesel powered. I wish all my vehicles were diesel powered. Now all I need to do is find a donor Mitsu Mighty Max diesel truck to re-power my 88 Mitsu Montero. On 1/28/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:43:45 -0800 Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys need to check this guys gen. project out http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/lister.html This was posted a couple of months ago, but it's nice to look at again. Craig ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I got to drive a 2.5td Pajero (US Montero) while living in Japan. Great setup for that type of vehicle. Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:43:45 -0800 Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys need to check this guys gen. project out http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/lister.html This was posted a couple of months ago, but it's nice to look at again. Craig
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Craig McCluskey wrote: He's on electric heat only. And a lot of it if he's paying over $200 a month at 4 cents per kwh. Burning propane to run a resistance heater is only efficient if you put the propane engine in the heated area.
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On Friday, January 27, 2006, at 08:36 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: I'm halfway there! (Modulo wiring and switching.) -- Jim Free fuel would really make it perfect. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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Craig McCluskey wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:05:19 -0500 John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're on electric heat only, I feel for you ... He's on electric heat only. I used to wonder why anyone in their right mind would have electric heat. Then I moved to the West Coast, and realized it makes more sense when relatively cheap hydroelectric power is available and the climate is fairly mild. In Michigan you could go broke heating with electricity.
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Kevin wrote: On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 07:41:21AM -0600, Potter, Tom E wrote: Backhoes have an instinct for locating gas lines. And fiberoptic cables. When the network goes down due to construction, it is called 'backhoe fade'. When the University of Michigan had, in one month, an outage caused by a backhoe-related fiber optic cut and one caused by a fire in the battery room of their NOC, it prompted someone to remark that they must have angered the God of Fire and Backhoes.
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You guys need to check this guys gen. project out http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/lister.html On 1/27/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig McCluskey wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:05:19 -0500 John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're on electric heat only, I feel for you ... He's on electric heat only. I used to wonder why anyone in their right mind would have electric heat. Then I moved to the West Coast, and realized it makes more sense when relatively cheap hydroelectric power is available and the climate is fairly mild. In Michigan you could go broke heating with electricity. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Craig McCluskey wrote: I recall reading about using induction motors for generators, so it's possible. I don't recall the details, however, There are several articles on the Internet about it; it's fairly easily done by adding an external capacitor. There are some limitations, though. Generally speaking, there's no voltage regulation and you can't drive inductive loads (such as motors.)
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David Brodbeck wrote: In Michigan you could go broke heating with electricity. Here's my Michigan perspective: My parents had a quad level built in 1975 with electric. No natural gas service, and propane/fuel oil was high at the time. It wasn't bad at all. Power company estimated a few bills early on, owed them a refund when they did an actual reading. Currently, my parents have a large raised ranch that dad built himself. Propane heat, and they are the propane company's 2nd stingiest customer. I assume the family that uses less has a much smaller house. Dad is old and gets chilled easily, so they set the thermostats at 73 F. It's all in the insulation, you can get farther with good insulation than you can by turning the heat down to 65 degrees. Next house I build is going to be heavy on passive solar features.
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Tom, Got to ask, Why do Williams pipelines have some many pipeline ruptures. The western part of your company have a lot of black eyes over this issue. Dennis T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Potter, Tom E Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:09 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset The natural gas pipelines keep flowing unless there is a major break in the line. Remember, we supply gas to the folks up North. I work for Williams Gas Pipeline, and one of our lines runs from Corpus Christi, TX, to NYC. If there was a major gas leak in a housing development, they would probably shut off gas to the development. If there was a major disaster, such as in New Orleans communities, the gas would probably be shut off to those areas. If there is that much damage, I won't need a generator; I will be gone. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset ...Would not natural gas supplies also be disrupted? Don't they shut off the feed to prevent fires? . -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 1/23/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 1/23/2006
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Mostly because some of the lines are 50 years old. We have to use them because so many people piss and moan if we want to lay a new line. You would not believe the hassles we have to go through to get just a short section of line replaced. They want the gas, but they do not want the line. In addition, developers build very close to the lines. This gets sensationalized when a leak occurs near a community. BTW, most of the leaks occur because of construction activity near the line not because of line failure. Backhoes have an instinct for locating gas lines. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Woodlandtaylors Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:38 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset Tom, Got to ask, Why do Williams pipelines have some many pipeline ruptures. The western part of your company have a lot of black eyes over this issue. Dennis T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Potter, Tom E Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:09 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset The natural gas pipelines keep flowing unless there is a major break in the line. Remember, we supply gas to the folks up North. I work for Williams Gas Pipeline, and one of our lines runs from Corpus Christi, TX, to NYC. If there was a major gas leak in a housing development, they would probably shut off gas to the development. If there was a major disaster, such as in New Orleans communities, the gas would probably be shut off to those areas. If there is that much damage, I won't need a generator; I will be gone. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset ...Would not natural gas supplies also be disrupted? Don't they shut off the feed to prevent fires? . -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 1/23/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 1/23/2006
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It begins again, perhaps: http://cathey.dogear.com/genset2.html Speaking of generators, does anyone here, one of the Coasties perhaps, know anything about a Standard High-Endurance generator set made by Oswald for the Coast Guard? Would it be something I might want? I'm thinking it might be a 2-cylinder air-cooled machine for converting diesel into noise. -- Jim
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:41:21 -0600 Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Backhoes have an instinct for locating gas lines. OH! So that's why I hit our gas line out in front of the house when I was using a backhoe last July! Amazing! Craig
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:47:00 -0800 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It begins again, perhaps: http://cathey.dogear.com/genset2.html I recall reading about using induction motors for generators, so it's possible. I don't recall the details, however, Speaking of generators, does anyone here, one of the Coasties perhaps, know anything about a Standard High-Endurance generator set made by Oswald for the Coast Guard? Would it be something I might want? I'm thinking it might be a 2-cylinder air-cooled machine for converting diesel into noise. Sort of like the T-37 Tweety Bird, the world's most efficient way to convert JP-4 to noise. Craig
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Just curious as to why you say the existing generator does not fit your purposes? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset It begins again, perhaps: http://cathey.dogear.com/genset2.html Speaking of generators, does anyone here, one of the Coasties perhaps, know anything about a Standard High-Endurance generator set made by Oswald for the Coast Guard? Would it be something I might want? I'm thinking it might be a 2-cylinder air-cooled machine for converting diesel into noise. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 07:41:21AM -0600, Potter, Tom E wrote: Backhoes have an instinct for locating gas lines. And fiberoptic cables. When the network goes down due to construction, it is called 'backhoe fade'. K
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Just curious as to why you say the existing generator does not fit your purposes? It's too big for 24x7 use, yet too small to actually run the electric furnace too. And I still would prefer diesel. In a perfect world I'd have a small diesel thumper that would handle the base load, and a big one that would kick on when it sensed a big 240V load. Obviously there would be some wiring challenges to go with this. -- Jim
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In a perfect world I would have one of the Dodge Cummings Contractor Grade pickups that has a built in generator! Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset Just curious as to why you say the existing generator does not fit your purposes? It's too big for 24x7 use, yet too small to actually run the electric furnace too. And I still would prefer diesel. In a perfect world I'd have a small diesel thumper that would handle the base load, and a big one that would kick on when it sensed a big 240V load. Obviously there would be some wiring challenges to go with this. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/242 - Release Date: 1/26/2006
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Dude, thats truly outstanding. If nothing else it looks really really cool. Oddly, my wife doesn't share your (and my) opinion! I told her to withhold her opinion until _after_ the first major power outage in which we can use it. It's a magnificent beast, but really really hungry. -- Jim
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Do you have an idea what the fuelconsumption is at say pulling 30KW. 1 KWh is ~ $ 0.15 in residental use nowadays. On 1/25/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, thats truly outstanding. If nothing else it looks really really cool. Oddly, my wife doesn't share your (and my) opinion! I told her to withhold her opinion until _after_ the first major power outage in which we can use it. It's a magnificent beast, but really really hungry. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
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Hans Neureiter wrote: Do you have an idea what the fuelconsumption is at say pulling 30KW. 1 KWh is ~ $ 0.15 in residental use nowadays. Probably like a car pulling 50hp on propane. A quick guestimate is giving me 10+ gallons per hour at $1.60 per gallon, say 50 to 60 cents per kwh. That's really very cheap for home generation, but I may have guessed low, and it doesn't include other costs, like purchase price, maintenance repair.
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Do you have an idea what the fuelconsumption is at say pulling 30KW. 1 KWh is ~ $ 0.15 in residental use nowadays. I pay 4.3 cents per kWH. Thank you Columbia River! (Other suppliers here charge up to 2x this.) Our power bill is still something like $250/mo in winter (electric heat), and I'm told that electric is again cheaper than gas here. As I'm unemployed, I'm heating entirely with wood. Probably like a car pulling 50hp on propane. A quick guestimate is giving me 10+ gallons per hour at $1.60 per gallon, say 50 to 60 cents per kwh. I fear it may be in that range. Makes my two 10-gallon tanks look pretty feeble! Makes the big BBQ tanks look pretty feeble too. The ultimate plan, assuming we keep this generator, is to hook it into the (future) hot tub propane tank. The first time we use it for real I'll probably learn a lot more about its consumption. I just hesitate to run a test 'cause I'm unemployed and don't want to waste it. -- Jim
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On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 09:26 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: The first time we use it for real I'll probably learn a lot more about its consumption. I just hesitate to run a test 'cause I'm unemployed and don't want to waste it. -- Jim You may qualify for heap. Its a big help when you need it. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:37:03 -0500 John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 09:26 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: The first time we use it for real I'll probably learn a lot more about its consumption. I just hesitate to run a test 'cause I'm unemployed and don't want to waste it. -- Jim You may qualify for heap. Its a big help when you need it. OK, now you're going to have to explain yourself, Johnny B. Craig
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On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 10:47 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: OK, now you're going to have to explain yourself, Johnny B. Craig Its a Guv program that gives grants to help with heating expenses. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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I sort of thought that your propane fuel tanks were a bit on the small side. Do you know what a pig is? (and I am not saying your generator is a pig - I'm talking about propane tanks) You should have a couple of those if you plan to run that thing anywhere near capacity for any length of time. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset Dude, thats truly outstanding. If nothing else it looks really really cool. Oddly, my wife doesn't share your (and my) opinion! I told her to withhold her opinion until _after_ the first major power outage in which we can use it. It's a magnificent beast, but really really hungry. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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The other thing that I would say is that is a really cool generator. I too worry a bit about significant power failures and have acquired a generator but mine is just a wimpy little 7K machine with a BS gas motor. If I had room to store the thing, I would cheerfully acquire something like yours. I like the ones powered by the Lister style diesel even better. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset Dude, thats truly outstanding. If nothing else it looks really really cool. Oddly, my wife doesn't share your (and my) opinion! I told her to withhold her opinion until _after_ the first major power outage in which we can use it. It's a magnificent beast, but really really hungry. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I sort of thought that your propane fuel tanks were a bit on the small side. Bought before I had a true idea of what this thing would eat. Before it ran, in other words. Do you know what a pig is? (and I am not saying your generator is a pig - I'm talking about propane tanks) You should have a couple of those if you plan to run that thing anywhere near capacity for any length of time. Is it the tall BBQ-style tank? I've been eyeing those at Costco. You can still manhandle them, and they can be turned over for liquid feed. No POV garbage. I like the ones powered by the Lister style diesel even better. Me too! Maybe someday. -- Jim
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propane is the best fuel source for me. During hurricane Rita, we in Houston were not only without power; we could not purchase gas (or The planet? (Sorry, I can't ever seem to pass this up.) diesel). I have a ready supply of natural gas to my house into which I can tap. I really like Jim's setup. It would work great for me. Now I Would not natural gas supplies also be disrupted? Don't they shut off the feed to prevent fires? just have to find the old, reliable generator set. Like Jim, most of the ones that I find are too far away or cost too much. However, I will prevail eventually. It took me a couple of years to find mine. A quick peek shows that generators are not quite so easy to come by in the South right now. There's one turbodiesel in Louisiana right now. Spec-less and only one photo and it's already up to nearly $700 with a day to go. It's probably at least 50kW though. -- Jim
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A PIG sort of looks like a BBQ tank but is about 4 feet in diameter and 5 feet tall if I recall correctly. Couldn't really be manhandled much unless empty maybe. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset I sort of thought that your propane fuel tanks were a bit on the small side. Bought before I had a true idea of what this thing would eat. Before it ran, in other words. Do you know what a pig is? (and I am not saying your generator is a pig - I'm talking about propane tanks) You should have a couple of those if you plan to run that thing anywhere near capacity for any length of time. Is it the tall BBQ-style tank? I've been eyeing those at Costco. You can still manhandle them, and they can be turned over for liquid feed. No POV garbage. I like the ones powered by the Lister style diesel even better. Me too! Maybe someday. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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It's done, more or less. (OK, _nothing_ is ever actually _done_, but it's done enough to use.) http://cathey.dogear.com/genset.html There are pictures of it completed, as of today. -- Jim
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A true Benz man, Kohler with MB OEM muffler support. Nice job, congratulations. On 1/25/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's done, more or less. (OK, _nothing_ is ever actually _done_, but it's done enough to use.) http://cathey.dogear.com/genset.html There are pictures of it completed, as of today. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
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Looks like you finally won that battle Jim! Finally! Way Cool! I like the MB donuts to hang the exhaust. They are a nice touch! At 02:07 PM 1/25/2006, you wrote: It's done, more or less. (OK, _nothing_ is ever actually _done_, but it's done enough to use.) http://cathey.dogear.com/genset.html There are pictures of it completed, as of today. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Dude, thats truely outstanding. If nothing else it looks really really cool. -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:07:17 -0800 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed It's done, more or less. (OK, _nothing_ is ever actually _done_, but it's done enough to use.) http://cathey.dogear.com/genset.html There are pictures of it completed, as of today. -- Jim - Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 25 22:32:28 2006 Received: from web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.32]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F1tBk-00085x-92 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:32:28 + Received: (qmail 45824 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2006 22:32:03 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VLq4xHPXUnVzLLAf/0Qar4qKAysGK8+XEfreBvCG0nxVpv8G81B4BbF0+MJW0sHV1SadPgyKkISj4vSCNqAsR8FAgEiweMES0tB4SeqHERFsVNeZCB88x7xDB7D8JZ6BXCseYyCopQZeINKSSYVa4Ge8C0EKZfCdNh2jjkydLAw= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:32:01 PST Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:32:01 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: [MBZ] While speaking about antennas X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:32:28 - Rusty came through with my replacement driveshaft (came in a ginormous box, the driveshaft is like 3x3x24 right? The box was 5x24x40ish!) so today I can get my 190D back. At least the repair bill was less than the cost of the car. I'd told my Indy to make it perfect. Except for a few things that I told him not to mess with. The first one I'm going to undertake is the antenna. Anybody got a link for antenna repair? I half attempted inspecting prior to a repair on the 240D but stopped when I realized I was playing with the sunroof motor... -Curt '85 190D 233kmi Dory - Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 25 22:33:49 2006 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([63.240.77.81]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F1tD2-0008Cr-HV for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:33:49 + Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-24-3-195-27.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[24.3.195.27]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id 200601252233260110098371e; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:33:26 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:33:25 -0500 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in Second X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:33:49 - Donald Snook wrote: Marshall wrote: In the early '90s Mercedes saw the error of their ways and allowed the gas transmissions to start in 1st. Cars built a year or two before 1st gear starts
Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset
Jim Cathey wrote: generator. It was incredibly big and loud, appealing. I never understood the 400Hz aspect of aircraft power but there you go. I think it has to do with smaller, lighter magnetics. Yes, exactly. The amount of core steel you need in things like transformers is inversely related to the frequency. It has to do with the core saturating more easily at lower frequencies. The tradeoff is the losses due to hysteresis in the core and skin effect in the conductors become higher, so you're trading off weight for efficiency.
[MBZ] OT - Genset - MD-3
In '58, on flightline at Lincoln AFB, NE, a flt crew was starting engines (gas turbine, of course) on a B-47. The engine starters were electric. Normally, when starter switch was engaged, the sudden call for more amperage by the starter would cause the aux. ground power unit (MD-3, driven by reciprocating, gasoline engine in this case) to rock a bit as it suddenly surged and groaned to produce the required power. As this crew engaged starter for one of the engines, the MD-3 did a couple of flips/rolls. The jet engine had seized, causing the starter to suddenly overload the MD-3. Wilton
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starter for one of the engines, the MD-3 did a couple of flips/rolls. The jet engine had seized, causing the starter to suddenly overload the MD-3. Oooh! Big heavy loud iron _and_ it does tricks? Cool! -- Jim
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Somebody stop me before my wife kills again! I just won a GSA auction for a 400 Hz/60 Hz 25kVA motor generator set. I'm not sure whether it eats 400 Hz or 60 Hz. Regardless, in a perfect world I can hook a diesel to the end shaft and spin it. In a really perfect world, both the 400 Hz and 60 Hz machines are synchronous, and both can be generators. 400 Hz will drive resistive loads (like my furnace elements) just fine. In a sucky world it's a 400 Hz generator hooked to a 60 Hz induction motor, and there's no end stub to couple to. In that case, maybe I strip out the meters etc. and feed it to the scrapyard. It was $125, and weighs 2600#. Anybody know anything about Kurz and Root MD-3's? About all I know is that it's a 1200 RPM unit. -- Jim
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GSA auction? What are those? On 1/18/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody stop me before my wife kills again! I just won a GSA auction for a 400 Hz/60 Hz 25kVA motor generator set. I'm not sure whether it eats 400 Hz or 60 Hz. Regardless, in a perfect world I can hook a diesel to the end shaft and spin it. In a really perfect world, both the 400 Hz and 60 Hz machines are synchronous, and both can be generators. 400 Hz will drive resistive loads (like my furnace elements) just fine. In a sucky world it's a 400 Hz generator hooked to a 60 Hz induction motor, and there's no end stub to couple to. In that case, maybe I strip out the meters etc. and feed it to the scrapyard. It was $125, and weighs 2600#. Anybody know anything about Kurz and Root MD-3's? About all I know is that it's a 1200 RPM unit. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
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http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/gsaauctions/ But don't tell anyone - Please! -Dave Walton 94S350, 99E300 On 1/18/06, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GSA auction? What are those? On 1/18/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody stop me before my wife kills again! I just won a GSA auction for a 400 Hz/60 Hz 25kVA motor generator set. I'm not sure whether it eats 400 Hz or 60 Hz. Regardless, in a perfect world I can hook a diesel to the end shaft and spin it. In a really perfect world, both the 400 Hz and 60 Hz machines are synchronous, and both can be generators. 400 Hz will drive resistive loads (like my furnace elements) just fine. In a sucky world it's a 400 Hz generator hooked to a 60 Hz induction motor, and there's no end stub to couple to. In that case, maybe I strip out the meters etc. and feed it to the scrapyard. It was $125, and weighs 2600#. Anybody know anything about Kurz and Root MD-3's? About all I know is that it's a 1200 RPM unit. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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GSA auction? What are those? Government (USA) Surplus Administration. Surplus property disposal, but not the only such channel apparently. I saw a Boeing jet for auction on it once. It, like all such high-ticket items, required a substantial deposit before you were even allowed to bid. Wretched web interface, though. -- Jim
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GSA auction? What are those? Government (USA) Surplus Administration. Or I _could_ read the stupid web page and get it right: General Services Administration. -- Jim
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Is that one for generating aircraft power? I recall working at the FBO back in college, and the radio shop that rented space in the hangar had one of these things they would crank up to provide power to their radios. It had a big 60Hz motor fed off the mains driving a 400Hz generator. It was incredibly big and loud, appealing. I never understood the 400Hz aspect of aircraft power but there you go. --R Jim Cathey wrote: Somebody stop me before my wife kills again! I just won a GSA auction for a 400 Hz/60 Hz 25kVA motor generator set. I'm not sure whether it eats 400 Hz or 60 Hz. Regardless, in a perfect world I can hook a diesel to the end shaft and spin it. In a really perfect world, both the 400 Hz and 60 Hz machines are synchronous, and both can be generators. 400 Hz will drive resistive loads (like my furnace elements) just fine. In a sucky world it's a 400 Hz generator hooked to a 60 Hz induction motor, and there's no end stub to couple to. In that case, maybe I strip out the meters etc. and feed it to the scrapyard. It was $125, and weighs 2600#. Anybody know anything about Kurz and Root MD-3's? About all I know is that it's a 1200 RPM unit. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:26:47 -0800 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody stop me before my wife kills again! You're hopeless, Jim. You've got the bug bad. In a sucky world it's a 400 Hz generator hooked to a 60 Hz induction motor, and there's no end stub to couple to. From what I've seen of 60 Hz to 400 Hz converters, this is what it is. I Googled on Kurz and Root MD-3 and came up with: http://www.govliquidation.com/list/c7214/lna/1.html http://equipmentsalesonline.com/inventory/OtherMiscellaneous/Generators/default.asp?Industry_ID=OrderBy=MakeIDDir=ASC They're no longer on the pages, but you can get an idea of the type of equipment from the pictures. Crai
Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset/mg sets
In a message dated 1/19/2006 7:46:52 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just won a GSA auction for a 400 Hz/60 Hz 25kVA motor generator set. I'm not sure whether it eats 400 Hz or 60 Hz. Regardless, in a perfect world I can hook a diesel to the end shaft and spin it. In a really perfect world, both the 400 Hz and 60 Hz machines are synchronous, and both can be generators. 400 Hz will drive resistive loads (like my furnace elements) just fine. Jim, Nearly all applications take 60Hz power and turn the 400Hz generator, the output of which is very easy to convert to a ripple free DC power. You are correct that 400Hz will run resistive loads quite well. Power cables carrying 400Hz had to be oversized as the current flows primarily on the surface of the conductors. Mg sets also used inertia to carry them through small power transients, such as switching from shore power to onboard power. Ride through was typically 30cycles, or about 1/2 a second. Typical applications would be big computers, radar, and communications gear, all of which don't like being turned off. All have big DC power supplies. I recall IBM and Hitachi mainframes having as many as 5 MG sets built into them during the 90's,Your 2000 # plus MG sounds a bit heavy for an aircraft, but that is out of my field of endeavor. Now, main frames fit in a desk space, run off two 30amp, 60 Hz, services, and MG sets ( and old mainframes for that matter) can be had for the cost of toting them away. I recall one buyer, who paid $1 for each mainframe, shipped them to China to have them stripped for all the various metals. Thanks for the memories, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 140 K miles
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generator. It was incredibly big and loud, appealing. I never understood the 400Hz aspect of aircraft power but there you go. I think it has to do with smaller, lighter magnetics. -- Jim
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:21:34 -0800 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today I got the generator rewired zig-zag (1-phase) instead of wye (3-phase), and ran the space heater and a work light. It is plug-selectable back to 3-phase at need. Wired ZZ, it's a 26kW 120/240 generator, 33kVA. Versus 40kW/50kVA 120/208x3. 140A of house-wire-melting goodness. As of today if the power failed I could run the house off of it. At least until it sucked the teensy fuel tanks dry. Congratulations! Do you have the engine adequately governed/speed controlled? Craig
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Do you have the engine adequately governed/speed controlled? It has a mechanical (fly-weight) governor. There is no safety overspeed mechanism, though there is provision for one in the schematic. It was running at about 60 Hz the first time I put it together, but the last time it came out at 70 Hz. I adjusted the throttle rod length a couple of threads and now it's 60 Hz. -- Jim
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Today I got the generator rewired zig-zag (1-phase) instead of wye (3-phase), and ran the space heater and a work light. It is plug-selectable back to 3-phase at need. Wired ZZ, it's a 26kW 120/240 generator, 33kVA. Versus 40kW/50kVA 120/208x3. 140A of house-wire-melting goodness. As of today if the power failed I could run the house off of it. At least until it sucked the teensy fuel tanks dry. -- Jim
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In a message dated 1/8/2006 10:30:00 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It ran my 220V space heater this morning. About 100 ohms in place of the missing regulator rheostat. Wahoo! Jim, Good show! Resistance loads are the easiest to deal with but you can use them to load test the generator just fine. About 17 coffee pots, space heaters, and/or toaster ovens would work and you could have breakfast and keep warm while you test. Keep on keepin' on! Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 139 K miles
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rumor has it that Jim wrote: Add a sidetrack where I'm trying to beat Illustrator into making a nice-looking coil, and I've managed to waste the entire morning so far. (No luck w/Illustrator.) -- Jim XCircuit. It's a Linux app that is _great_ for schematics. I use it for almost any non-CAD drawing. It is a bit tricky to get running on a Mac, though. It will require X, but I understand that is now included in the OS. A little googling found: A fink version http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/xcircuit and a Darwin version http://xcircuit.darwinports.com/ Philip, who likes postscript files.
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It ran my 220V space heater this morning. About 100 ohms in place of the missing regulator rheostat. Wahoo! -- Jim
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Actually there is quite a bit of water vapor that comes out of the tailpipe in most any engine. The water that you see dripping out of your tailpipe each morning is not from condensation, it is water vapor, a by product of the combustion process. When the engine is warmed up, the water is still there, you just can't see it as it comes out as steam. I once saw a stat on how much water comes out of an engine going down the road and it was pretty impressive, like gallons per mile as I recall. Another good indication of this phenomenem is the contrails or condensation trails left by jet aircraft. In this case the water ejected with the engine exhaust quickly cools at those high altitudes and looks like smoke, but it is really a trail of ice crystals. Barry Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 02:25:32PM -0800, Zeitgeist wrote: Isn't an inherent byproduct of propane combustion lots of H2O? Yes, moreso than conventional gasoline. K
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When input = hydrocarbon plus oxygen, output = carbon dioxide and water. However, reality isn't that pure - LOTS of other stuff in the air and fuel. On 1/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually there is quite a bit of water vapor that comes out of the tailpipe in most any engine. The water that you see dripping out of your tailpipe each morning is not from condensation, it is water vapor, a by product of the combustion process. When the engine is warmed up, the water is still there, you just can't see it as it comes out as steam. I once saw a stat on how much water comes out of an engine going down the road and it was pretty impressive, like gallons per mile as I recall. Another good indication of this phenomenem is the contrails or condensation trails left by jet aircraft. In this case the water ejected with the engine exhaust quickly cools at those high altitudes and looks like smoke, but it is really a trail of ice crystals. Barry -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, '87 300SDL 290K, '81 240D 173K, '78 450SLC 67K, '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K
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OK Don wrote: When input = hydrocarbon plus oxygen, output = carbon dioxide and water. However, reality isn't that pure - LOTS of other stuff in the air and fuel. Also, the catalytic converter on gasoline engined cars converts even more of the exhaust products to water, if I remember right.
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Hmm--- don't cats get really hot when they injest to much un-burnt fuel? Must be burning it. Could you just squirt raw fuel into one, use the heat to generate steam, and run a steam engine with it? LOTS of torque! On 1/6/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: When input = hydrocarbon plus oxygen, output = carbon dioxide and water. However, reality isn't that pure - LOTS of other stuff in the air and fuel. Also, the catalytic converter on gasoline engined cars converts even more of the exhaust products to water, if I remember right. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, '87 300SDL 290K, '81 240D 173K, '78 450SLC 67K, '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K
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Actually there is quite a bit of water vapor that comes out Roughly a gallon for every gallon of fuel that goes in, I'm told. Something tells me that's short, since octane is C8H18. Propane is C3H8. I'm no chemist, but them thar hydrogens ought to blow out into 9 gallons of water per gallon of gasoline, or four per gallon for propane. Bad chemistry, but still gives you a rough idea of what comes out. of the tailpipe in most any engine. The water that you see dripping out of your tailpipe each morning is not from condensation, it is water vapor, a by Technically, it _is_ condensation. Condensed water vapor from the combustion process, as opposed to condensed water vapor that was already in the air. Once the engine parts all warm up, it doesn't condense anymore. I'm pronouncing my engine fixed, unless it hits me in the face with a dead fish. I'm working on the regulator now. -- Jim
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Hmm--- don't cats get really hot when they injest to much un-burnt fuel? Must be burning it. Could you just squirt raw fuel into one, use the heat to generate steam, and run a steam engine with it? LOTS of torque! Better just to squirt the raw fuel in a bit further back, and go for afterburners! -- Jim
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On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:39:57 -0800 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't an inherent byproduct of propane combustion lots of H2O? Yes. But I'm running scared now! I didn't want to put antifreeze in in case I need to do the block sealer trick. It's incompatible with it during treatment, so I didn't want to have to do a lot of flushing to get it back to the pristine state it is in now. Well, then, how about magnaflux dye or some similar? (You got an Army-Navy store nearby that has life raft dye?) Craig
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Well, then, how about magnaflux dye or some similar? (You got an Army-Navy store nearby that has life raft dye?) Fluorescine? How about a pack of black Rit dye that I know where one is? -- Jim
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Jim - Now that I think of it, you're right of course. I was thinking of dispelling the common misconception that all the water that drips out of the tailpipe is just from the water that may condense out of the air onto the inner walls of the exhaust system when the engine is shut off. Though there is likely some of that happening as well, most of the water comes from the burning fuel. As far as cracks go, many years ago when I worked as an automotive machinist, I always magnafluxed each head I repaired right after pulling it out of the hot tank and cleaning it up. If I had a block with any evidence of cracking I would have checked it out as well, at least around the water jacket areas. Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 8:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset Actually there is quite a bit of water vapor that comes out Roughly a gallon for every gallon of fuel that goes in, I'm told. Something tells me that's short, since octane is C8H18. Propane is C3H8. I'm no chemist, but them thar hydrogens ought to blow out into 9 gallons of water per gallon of gasoline, or four per gallon for propane. Bad chemistry, but still gives you a rough idea of what comes out. of the tailpipe in most any engine. The water that you see dripping out of your tailpipe each morning is not from condensation, it is water vapor, a by Technically, it _is_ condensation. Condensed water vapor from the combustion process, as opposed to condensed water vapor that was already in the air. Once the engine parts all warm up, it doesn't condense anymore. I'm pronouncing my engine fixed, unless it hits me in the face with a dead fish. I'm working on the regulator now. -- Jim
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On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:14:42 -0800 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, then, how about magnaflux dye or some similar? (You got an Army-Navy store nearby that has life raft dye?) Fluorescine? How about a pack of black Rit dye that I know where one is? You want something that fluoresces when exposed to UV. My guess is the black Rit dye will not. Too bad I don't still work with lasers back at the University. I could have sent you some old Rhodamine dye solution we threw out anyway -- that fluoresced very nicely. Craig
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You want something that fluoresces when exposed to UV. My guess is the black Rit dye will not. I was just thinking that if black water came out the ports then I could get worried! But I'm slowly convincing myself that it's all OK. Right now I'm trying to figure out how this old Kohler was supposed to work. It's from the days of ancient tricky magnetics and has some auxiliary windings that I'm trying to figure out. And the regulator itself may be inoperative, and the adjustment rheostat is missing. Add a sidetrack where I'm trying to beat Illustrator into making a nice-looking coil, and I've managed to waste the entire morning so far. (No luck w/Illustrator.) -- Jim
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Jim Cathey wrote: I was just thinking that if black water came out the ports then I could get worried! But I'm slowly convincing myself that it's all OK. I'd say if your coolant level goes down, you have a problem. If it doesn't, you're okay. Keep in mind a decrease in the level may be normal for the first few firings, because you'll be working trapped air out of the cooling system.
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Jim, I wonder if you would have been ok the second time had the gasket been replaced. Another thought I had was that you were using straight water instead of 50/50 mix for coolant. Not sure if that would make a difference though. I'm betting you have the head removal/replacement down to a science and can probably do it in half or less time then the first attempt. I can tear an Arctic Cat 2 stroke motor down, rebuild, and put back together in about an hour or so now that I have done it a few times. Glad to hear you are making progressguessing your wife is as well. Dave W - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset Cool. Was this the original gasket, or the new one you bought for assembly? The 'new' one. (Not so new anymore, going on the third time.) -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I wonder if you would have been ok the second time had the gasket been replaced. Another thought I had was that you were using straight water I wonder too. An expensive, and time-consuming (special-order) experiment. The $2 can of spray copper goo was more my speed right now. instead of 50/50 mix for coolant. Not sure if that would make a difference though. I don't think so. I'm betting you have the head removal/replacement down to a science and can probably do it in half or less time then the first attempt. Yeah, it goes a lot quicker the more you do it! Glad to hear you are making progressguessing your wife is as well. She is. I'm just hoping that the lack of leaks is confirmed with future activity. Now on to making a new water pump 'molded' hose out of copper elbows, etc., antifreeze, and thence to taming the 300V (!) output. -- Jim
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I started it at idle (removed throttle rod and put the spring on in its place) and noticed quite a bit of water blowing out of the exhaust manifold, complete with hissing and other scary behavior. Also drips from the manifold nuts. I was a bit concerned, as I've no idea how much initial condensation water is supposed to blow out of an engine like this. I don't really have that much experience with big iron. So I pulled off the exhaust manifold and fired it up again. Hmm, #6 is blowing cold air, not warm. I'd wondered about that based on the condition of the cylinder head when I pulled it. Also, the engine didn't run as smoothly as it seems to me an I6 should have. I pulled the #6 wire and there was no spark. I stopped the engine and removed the wire (which is a replacement and unlike the others) and found it to be open. I removed the distributor-end vampire clip and that end seemed to be OK. I noticed that the other end was torn some at the metal clip, it's possible that it was yanked on or something. I pulled the clip off and jammed the ohmmeter probe into the neck: no continuity. So I cut off about 1/2 and tried again. I had to cut off a little over an inch in 1/4 bites before I got continuity. Fortunately there was enough slack in the wire to still reach. With the wire somewhat reassembled the engine ran much smoother. After #6 was firing, it also blew warm air and water out of it like the others. I let the engine idle long enough to warm up quite a bit, and all the water stopped coming out. Just condensation? Seems like it might be, and I _really_ hope so! Thoughts from the experienced among us? -- Jim
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On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 12:26:05PM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: After #6 was firing, it also blew warm air and water out of it like the others. I let the engine idle long enough to warm up quite a bit, and all the water stopped coming out. Just condensation? Seems like it might be, and I _really_ hope so! I'd imagine that's just condensation, especially with how moist [and cold] your atmosphere is. Like anything, keep an eye on the coolant consumption and oil consumption for the first few runs before you really use it. I'd expect that you're fine though. K
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Put antifreeze in rather than water. That may assist you in determining if what is coming out is condensation or worse. Someone else suggested dye and that might be even more helpful. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 2:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 12:26:05PM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: After #6 was firing, it also blew warm air and water out of it like the others. I let the engine idle long enough to warm up quite a bit, and all the water stopped coming out. Just condensation? Seems like it might be, and I _really_ hope so! I'd imagine that's just condensation, especially with how moist [and cold] your atmosphere is. Like anything, keep an eye on the coolant consumption and oil consumption for the first few runs before you really use it. I'd expect that you're fine though. K ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Isn't an inherent byproduct of propane combustion lots of H2O? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)
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On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 02:25:32PM -0800, Zeitgeist wrote: Isn't an inherent byproduct of propane combustion lots of H2O? Yes, moreso than conventional gasoline. K
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Isn't an inherent byproduct of propane combustion lots of H2O? Yes. But I'm running scared now! I didn't want to put antifreeze in in case I need to do the block sealer trick. It's incompatible with it during treatment, so I didn't want to have to do a lot of flushing to get it back to the pristine state it is in now. -- Jim
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On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 03:43:55PM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: from block to head? Was there any evidence that whomever assembled the engine Gasket looks to mate fine. Is it one of those annoying head gaskets that can be mounted flipped over and rotated? At least you know your water pump works :) K
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Is it one of those annoying head gaskets that can be mounted flipped over and rotated? Yes, it can go on one of two ways. It is on right now so that its stamped-in number can be read, and a W on one end of it matches a W stamped into the block. I'm not sure it would matter, as the block is really symmetrical. At least you know your water pump works :) And it doesn't even leak! -- Jim
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e, remember how that head and block looked on the OM616 I sold you? YUCK! I bet it could work as a last resort though. We're running out of resorts! It's this, or spray the crap on the old gasket and see what happens with that. Quite possibly both! -- Jim
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At this point, it sounds like there may be a crack in the head or block. Perform a dye penetrant check and see if you find anything. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset Have you looked at the surface of the head really close to make sure there aren't any cracks in it? Does the gasket match exactly the coolant passages I didn't see any, but I'm no expert. I can certainly look again when I take it off. Again. Water weeps out the head gasket, I can see it coming out when the engine is running. But less than last time, for whatever that's worth. from block to head? Was there any evidence that whomever assembled the engine Gasket looks to mate fine. before used a light dusting of RTV on one of the coolant passages? No sign, the old gasket came out clean. This is really frustrating. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 03:20:26PM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: After removing the head, cleaning everything off, and reassembling it with copper spray-on goo it went back together and ran without any immediate signs of external leakage. Progress at last! I'll be keeping an eye on it for awhile to see if I can detect any problems. Cool. Was this the original gasket, or the new one you bought for assembly? K
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Congrates, GO GOO. Harry Watkins Newton, MS 86 SDL Silver 85 300D Euro 86 SDL Gold 81 240D manual trans - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset After removing the head, cleaning everything off, and reassembling it with copper spray-on goo it went back together and ran without any immediate signs of external leakage. Progress at last! I'll be keeping an eye on it for awhile to see if I can detect any problems. -- Jim
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Jim, Wonder how expensive 1/16 (.0625) copper sheet would be. A gasket made from it and annealed would conform well to any irregularities and seal. I did that once on a single cylinder Volvo Penta diesel, years later it was still running. Dennis T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.11/219 - Release Date: 1/2/2006
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Today I cleaned the head and block off, using brake cleaner, a rag, and a razor blade. I also mopped off the head gasket. I took the small points file to the two locating dowels, gently, so that I was just deburring it. After all this I lowered the head onto the block, stopping with it an inch or two above position and again checking for trapped gunk or lint. Then I lowered it into position. It dropped right on flat without any of the difficulty I'd had before. I suspect that deburring the locating pins was a good thing to do. I then gently snugged all the head nuts, then backed them off so that it was sitting flat but with no clamping tension on it. Then I torqued it down again, this time in Ifour/I stages, using my spiral pattern. First at 40#, then the given-to-me 75#, 125#, and 175#. I also oiled the studs first. The head seemed to go on easier than the last time, and the torquing was much smoother due to the oil. High hopes! After I put the rockers back on I had to set the valve lash again, they were all too tight. This implies that the head went on closer to the block this time, which is a good sign. Anyway, with the engine all reassembled I put the new propane fittings on and hooked up the tank. The motor fired right up, which was good. _Unfortunately_, the head is _still_ leaking in the middle of the exhaust manifold side. Sigh. I suppose the next step is to pull the head again and use the spray copper gasket goo. This is really getting old. -- Jim
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On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 01:04:34PM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: Anyway, with the engine all reassembled I put the new propane fittings on and hooked up the tank. The motor fired right up, which was good. _Unfortunately_, the head is _still_ leaking in the middle of the exhaust manifold side. Sigh. I suppose the next step is to pull the head again and use the spray copper gasket goo. This is really getting old. Have you looked at the surface of the head really close to make sure there aren't any cracks in it? Does the gasket match exactly the coolant passages from block to head? Was there any evidence that whomever assembled the engine before used a light dusting of RTV on one of the coolant passages? K
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Have you looked at the surface of the head really close to make sure there aren't any cracks in it? Does the gasket match exactly the coolant passages I didn't see any, but I'm no expert. I can certainly look again when I take it off. Again. Water weeps out the head gasket, I can see it coming out when the engine is running. But less than last time, for whatever that's worth. from block to head? Was there any evidence that whomever assembled the engine Gasket looks to mate fine. before used a light dusting of RTV on one of the coolant passages? No sign, the old gasket came out clean. This is really frustrating. -- Jim
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e, remember how that head and block looked on the OM616 I sold you? YUCK! I bet it could work as a last resort though. On 1/4/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _Unfortunately_, the head is _still_ leaking in the middle of the exhaust manifold side. Sigh. I suppose the next step is to pull the head again and use the spray copper gasket goo. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)
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Did you check the head for warpage? You may have to get it milled. A cheap (universal) head gasket could also leak. I had this problem on a Datsun truck. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 5:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset I've got the genset running at speed, and the battery charges then. The regulator is discombobulated, however, and I'm getting 300+V. More disturbing than this is that the head gasket very definitely _is_ leaking. Water is seeping out on both sides. Sigh. The head was torqued down to 175#-ft in three stages, over a new dry gasket. I wonder what is wrong? -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Did you check the head for warpage? You may have to get it milled. A Going to try to this morning. I have a short Starrett rule that I'm going to try to find and use. It will be irritating to have had the head come back from the shop un-checked and un-milled, after I paid for a rebuild. cheap (universal) head gasket could also leak. I had this problem on a Datsun truck. That Victor Reinz gasket _wasn't_ cheap! -- Jim
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The head may be ok, but also check the block. I had to deck the block on my 9N tractor and needed a thicker gasket which was available. So this is not uncommon. On 1/3/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you check the head for warpage? You may have to get it milled. A Going to try to this morning. I have a short Starrett rule that I'm going to try to find and use. It will be irritating to have had the head come back from the shop un-checked and un-milled, after I paid for a rebuild. cheap (universal) head gasket could also leak. I had this problem on a Datsun truck. That Victor Reinz gasket _wasn't_ cheap! -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
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I found my 18 Starrett rule and my feeler gauges. I wiped down the head and block and went looking for warpage. Using the 0.004 gauge (limit is supposedly 0.006) I walked all over the head, both directions, and nowhere did the feeler even begin to come close to fitting under the rule. Ditto the block. I next calipered the head gasket, which is 0.068 thick. The old gasket is about 0.070 thick, less of a difference than I thought based upon handling them. Next I placed the head on the block sans gasket. I had some real trouble getting it to sit flat, it looked like there was some interference from the locating dowel pins. I was able to use three head nuts to pull it down on that (away from the pushrods) side, then I removed the nuts. It looked pretty good by eye, and probing all around it with my 0.004 gauge it only wanted to nose in a bit in some places, and only slipped in at one corner of #1, which is not one of the places I was seeing leaks. Looking at all the studs I found no place where there were insufficient threads protruding. So _that's_ not it. So, from yesterday's list I'm only left with surface roughness as a potential culprit, and that seems unlikely to be responsible for such widespread leaking, especially as the gasket is a rubberized (?) one. It seems pretty grippy, unlike the old 2-layer metal one. Sigh, no real smoking guns. I suppose it is possible that the business with the dowel pins could have been responsible. If the head got started clamping down while it was not seated flat to begin with it could have gotten 'trapped' at a bad angle and leaked, even though it looked OK by eye. The current plan is to put it back on again but this time paying more attention to getting it flat before I start torquing the nuts down. If it leaks again the plan is to remove the head and use that spray-on copper gasket sealant I bought yesterday. If _that_ doesn't work I'm not sure what I will do. -- Jim
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Make a gasket with some duct tape and goop it up with some JBWeld -- that ought to hold it tight! --R Jim Cathey wrote: I found my 18 Starrett rule and my feeler gauges. I wiped down the head and block and went looking for warpage. Using the 0.004 gauge (limit is supposedly 0.006) I walked all over the head, both directions, and nowhere did the feeler even begin to come close to fitting under the rule. Ditto the block. I next calipered the head gasket, which is 0.068 thick. The old gasket is about 0.070 thick, less of a difference than I thought based upon handling them. Next I placed the head on the block sans gasket. I had some real trouble getting it to sit flat, it looked like there was some interference from the locating dowel pins. I was able to use three head nuts to pull it down on that (away from the pushrods) side, then I removed the nuts. It looked pretty good by eye, and probing all around it with my 0.004 gauge it only wanted to nose in a bit in some places, and only slipped in at one corner of #1, which is not one of the places I was seeing leaks. Looking at all the studs I found no place where there were insufficient threads protruding. So _that's_ not it. So, from yesterday's list I'm only left with surface roughness as a potential culprit, and that seems unlikely to be responsible for such widespread leaking, especially as the gasket is a rubberized (?) one. It seems pretty grippy, unlike the old 2-layer metal one. Sigh, no real smoking guns. I suppose it is possible that the business with the dowel pins could have been responsible. If the head got started clamping down while it was not seated flat to begin with it could have gotten 'trapped' at a bad angle and leaked, even though it looked OK by eye. The current plan is to put it back on again but this time paying more attention to getting it flat before I start torquing the nuts down. If it leaks again the plan is to remove the head and use that spray-on copper gasket sealant I bought yesterday. If _that_ doesn't work I'm not sure what I will do. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Make a gasket with some duct tape and goop it up with some JBWeld -- that ought to hold it tight! I bet it would! -- Jim
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Jim My Dad used light to look for uneven surfaces. I was only eight years old so I don't remember all the details or results but he was a full time mechanic all his life and this was a routine. He had a tail light bulb soldered to a twisted pair. He dropped it into each spark plug hole, threw a rag over it, got under a tarp to eyeball. We used light tables to check flatness of carbon seals for jet engines but that was a tad more sophisticated than what Dad did. Harry Watkins Newton, MS 86 SDL Silver 85 300D Euro 86 SDL Gold 81 240D manual trans - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset I found my 18 Starrett rule and my feeler gauges. I wiped down the head and block and went looking for warpage. Using the 0.004 gauge (limit is supposedly 0.006) I walked all over the head, both directions, and nowhere did the feeler even begin to come close to fitting under the rule. Ditto the block. I next calipered the head gasket, which is 0.068 thick. The old gasket is about 0.070 thick, less of a difference than I thought based upon handling them. Next I placed the head on the block sans gasket. I had some real trouble getting it to sit flat, it looked like there was some interference from the locating dowel pins. I was able to use three head nuts to pull it down on that (away from the pushrods) side, then I removed the nuts. It looked pretty good by eye, and probing all around it with my 0.004 gauge it only wanted to nose in a bit in some places, and only slipped in at one corner of #1, which is not one of the places I was seeing leaks. Looking at all the studs I found no place where there were insufficient threads protruding. So _that's_ not it. So, from yesterday's list I'm only left with surface roughness as a potential culprit, and that seems unlikely to be responsible for such widespread leaking, especially as the gasket is a rubberized (?) one. It seems pretty grippy, unlike the old 2-layer metal one. Sigh, no real smoking guns. I suppose it is possible that the business with the dowel pins could have been responsible. If the head got started clamping down while it was not seated flat to begin with it could have gotten 'trapped' at a bad angle and leaked, even though it looked OK by eye. The current plan is to put it back on again but this time paying more attention to getting it flat before I start torquing the nuts down. If it leaks again the plan is to remove the head and use that spray-on copper gasket sealant I bought yesterday. If _that_ doesn't work I'm not sure what I will do. -- Jim
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On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 08:28:48AM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: So, from yesterday's list I'm only left with surface roughness as a potential culprit, and that seems unlikely to be responsible for such widespread leaking, especially as the gasket is a rubberized (?) one. It seems pretty grippy, unlike the old 2-layer metal one. Or surface being too smooth, but if you're thinking roughness there's no way it is smooth enough to have a problem. I've seen problems where one of the surfaces was too smooth for the gasket to get a good bite on, and leaked quite spectacularly. Sigh, no real smoking guns. I suppose it is possible that the business with the dowel pins could have been responsible. If the head got started clamping down while it was not seated flat to begin with it could have gotten 'trapped' at a bad angle and leaked, even though it looked OK by eye. The current plan is to put it back on again but this time paying more attention to getting it flat before I start torquing the nuts down. If it leaks again the plan is to remove the head and use that spray-on copper gasket sealant I bought yesterday. If _that_ doesn't work I'm not sure what I will do. I like the dowel pin theory. If that doesn't work and the old gasket looks okay, I'd give it a shot with the copper spray and see if the old factory gasket works better than the seemingly aftermarket one. K
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A couple of thoughts. 1. are you sure the head and the block match? holes all line up etc? Is it possible that you have parts of two different engines that are not totally compatible? 2. are you sure you have the right head gasket? Is it possible to put it on backwards or upside down? Sometimes holes don't line up if that happens. It did not happen to me but I know it can be done on a 3.0 Toyota engine and causes disastrous overheating if the engine runs for very long. 3. are all of the head studs straight? If not, uneven torque might result. 4. You mention the dowel pins. If you have any doubts about them, change them out for new ones. If you are certain of all of the basic things, then I would think you should have a good machine shop surface the block and the head to make sure that all is well. I assume that you are trying to build a very reliable powerplant to permit you to operate during times of grid failure. You need to be fairly sure it will be up to the task. Randy
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On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 05:45:30PM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: There might be a slight coolant leak at the middle of the intake manifold. I suppose it could be the head gasket, but I'm wondering if the middle section of the manifold, the carburetor perch, is heated by a coolant passage? It has holes into the head, and somehow I'd thought it was exhaust gas, but it could well be water instead. I didn't do a real stellar job on the intake manifold gasketing, and it would be easy to pop that off and try again. Anybody know about such things? This is an old low-tech heavy-duty engine, are head-water-heated carburetor perches SOP? Water heated intakes are rather common, especially when dealing with propane. I wouldn't be too surprised to hear that yours got the water from the head through the manifold rather than through a hose. What size were the holes, compared to the intake ports? K
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1. are you sure the head and the block match? holes all line up etc? Is it possible that you have parts of two different engines that are not totally compatible? Extremely unlikely. Everything looks like it matches anyway. 2. are you sure you have the right head gasket? Is it possible to put it on backwards or upside down? Sometimes holes don't line up if that happens. It did not happen to me but I know it can be done on a 3.0 Toyota engine and causes disastrous overheating if the engine runs for very long. The gasket appears perfectly symmetrical. I put the stamped number up. No holes are covered up. 3. are all of the head studs straight? If not, uneven torque might result. Seem to be. 4. You mention the dowel pins. If you have any doubts about them, change them out for new ones. I think they're OK, but I'll look at them again. They wouldn't be easy to get out, I think! If you are certain of all of the basic things, then I would think you should have a good machine shop surface the block and the head to make sure that all is well. I assume that you are trying to build a very reliable powerplant to permit you to operate during times of grid failure. You need to be fairly sure it will be up to the task. I don't really need that much out of it, but I don't want it sitting there rusting during the down-times. -- Jim
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Water heated intakes are rather common, especially when dealing with propane. I wouldn't be too surprised to hear that yours got the water from the head through the manifold rather than through a hose. What size were the holes, compared to the intake ports? Maybe 1/4-1/3 the size of the intake ports. The perch is definitely heated, I found that out as the engine warmed up. It would make more sense for it to be water than exhaust gas, that's for sure. Sadly, however, the leak turned out to be the head gasket. -- Jim
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Jim - Did the machine shop resurface the head? Some times the shops just run a sanding block over it. Also, when you torqued down the head did you follow an established torque pattern and use that pattern to torque the head down in 3 or 4 successive levels of tightness. If you didn't torque it down using this method, I would drain the water, pull out the plugs, loosen the nuts, again in the approved pattern and in a few steps, then re-torque the nuts properly. That may get it done. If it still leaks, you might try popping the head off, cleaning off any residual gasket material, and putting the head back on the block dry with no fasteners. Now see if you can stick feeler gauges between the block deck and head as a means to check for warping. If you detect warping, even with the studs in place, you should be able to get a pretty good feel for how straight the deck of the block is with a good precision straight edge. The head could easily be checked as well using the same straight edge. I have worked on engines before with studs in the block. It's kinda a pain. One of the things that took me a lot of time on those was to clean the crud from around the base of each stud. If you missed some material there, it might be possible that it is interfering with the fit, not allowing the head to seat properly. Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 3:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset Warpage? You did put a surface plate on it while it was apart, didn't you? I did nothing. The head went to the shop and came back 'done'. The block was sleeved by them, and honed, but that was it. The forest of studs poking out of the block were not removed, so obviously no flatness test was done. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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In a message dated 1/1/2006 4:22:41 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I did nothing. The head went to the shop and came back 'done'. The block was sleeved by them, and honed, but that was it. The forest of studs poking out of the block were not removed, so obviously no flatness test was done. Jim, wrong head gasket? Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 139 K miles
