Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-03-04 Thread Bruce Lulfs
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biodieseltolarea/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:43:45 -0800 Rory

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-03-04 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 08:18:09 -0500 Bruce Lulfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Craig did it to me! After looking at his link I had to get a Lister and a 12 KW gen. Head! Oh, boy! Now I've done it! Actually, you have Rory to thank. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biodieseltolarea/ On one

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-30 Thread Rory
Sorry, I mostly gloss over most OT things but I have a weekness for anything diesel powered. I wish all my vehicles were diesel powered. Now all I need to do is find a donor Mitsu Mighty Max diesel truck to re-power my 88 Mitsu Montero. On 1/28/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-30 Thread Rory
I got to drive a 2.5td Pajero (US Montero) while living in Japan. Great setup for that type of vehicle. Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-29 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:43:45 -0800 Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys need to check this guys gen. project out http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/lister.html This was posted a couple of months ago, but it's nice to look at again. Craig

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-28 Thread Mitch Haley
Craig McCluskey wrote: He's on electric heat only. And a lot of it if he's paying over $200 a month at 4 cents per kwh. Burning propane to run a resistance heater is only efficient if you put the propane engine in the heated area.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-28 Thread John Berryman
On Friday, January 27, 2006, at 08:36 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: I'm halfway there! (Modulo wiring and switching.) -- Jim Free fuel would really make it perfect. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-28 Thread David Brodbeck
Craig McCluskey wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:05:19 -0500 John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're on electric heat only, I feel for you ... He's on electric heat only. I used to wonder why anyone in their right mind would have electric heat. Then I moved to the West

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-28 Thread David Brodbeck
Kevin wrote: On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 07:41:21AM -0600, Potter, Tom E wrote: Backhoes have an instinct for locating gas lines. And fiberoptic cables. When the network goes down due to construction, it is called 'backhoe fade'. When the University of Michigan had, in one month, an

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-28 Thread Rory
You guys need to check this guys gen. project out http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/lister.html On 1/27/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig McCluskey wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:05:19 -0500 John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're on electric heat only, I feel for you

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-28 Thread David Brodbeck
Craig McCluskey wrote: I recall reading about using induction motors for generators, so it's possible. I don't recall the details, however, There are several articles on the Internet about it; it's fairly easily done by adding an external capacitor. There are some limitations, though.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-28 Thread Mitch Haley
David Brodbeck wrote: In Michigan you could go broke heating with electricity. Here's my Michigan perspective: My parents had a quad level built in 1975 with electric. No natural gas service, and propane/fuel oil was high at the time. It wasn't bad at all. Power company estimated a few bills

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-27 Thread Woodlandtaylors
, 2006 11:09 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset The natural gas pipelines keep flowing unless there is a major break in the line. Remember, we supply gas to the folks up North. I work for Williams Gas Pipeline, and one of our lines runs from Corpus Christi, TX, to NYC

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-27 Thread Potter, Tom E
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Woodlandtaylors Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:38 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset Tom, Got to ask, Why do Williams pipelines have some many pipeline ruptures. The western part of your company have a lot

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-27 Thread Jim Cathey
It begins again, perhaps: http://cathey.dogear.com/genset2.html Speaking of generators, does anyone here, one of the Coasties perhaps, know anything about a Standard High-Endurance generator set made by Oswald for the Coast Guard? Would it be something I might want? I'm thinking it

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-27 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:41:21 -0600 Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Backhoes have an instinct for locating gas lines. OH! So that's why I hit our gas line out in front of the house when I was using a backhoe last July! Amazing! Craig

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-27 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:47:00 -0800 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It begins again, perhaps: http://cathey.dogear.com/genset2.html I recall reading about using induction motors for generators, so it's possible. I don't recall the details, however, Speaking of generators, does

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-27 Thread R A Bennell
Just curious as to why you say the existing generator does not fit your purposes? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset It begins

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-27 Thread Kevin
On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 07:41:21AM -0600, Potter, Tom E wrote: Backhoes have an instinct for locating gas lines. And fiberoptic cables. When the network goes down due to construction, it is called 'backhoe fade'. K

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-27 Thread Jim Cathey
Just curious as to why you say the existing generator does not fit your purposes? It's too big for 24x7 use, yet too small to actually run the electric furnace too. And I still would prefer diesel. In a perfect world I'd have a small diesel thumper that would handle the base load, and a big

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-27 Thread Trampas
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset Just curious as to why you say the existing generator does not fit your purposes? It's too big for 24x7 use, yet too small to actually run the electric furnace too. And I still would prefer diesel. In a perfect world I'd have a small diesel thumper that would handle

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-26 Thread Jim Cathey
Dude, thats truly outstanding. If nothing else it looks really really cool. Oddly, my wife doesn't share your (and my) opinion! I told her to withhold her opinion until _after_ the first major power outage in which we can use it. It's a magnificent beast, but really really hungry. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-26 Thread Hans Neureiter
Do you have an idea what the fuelconsumption is at say pulling 30KW. 1 KWh is ~ $ 0.15 in residental use nowadays. On 1/25/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, thats truly outstanding. If nothing else it looks really really cool. Oddly, my wife doesn't share your (and my)

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-26 Thread Mitch Haley
Hans Neureiter wrote: Do you have an idea what the fuelconsumption is at say pulling 30KW. 1 KWh is ~ $ 0.15 in residental use nowadays. Probably like a car pulling 50hp on propane. A quick guestimate is giving me 10+ gallons per hour at $1.60 per gallon, say 50 to 60 cents per kwh. That's

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-26 Thread Jim Cathey
Do you have an idea what the fuelconsumption is at say pulling 30KW. 1 KWh is ~ $ 0.15 in residental use nowadays. I pay 4.3 cents per kWH. Thank you Columbia River! (Other suppliers here charge up to 2x this.) Our power bill is still something like $250/mo in winter (electric heat), and I'm

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-26 Thread John Berryman
On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 09:26 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: The first time we use it for real I'll probably learn a lot more about its consumption. I just hesitate to run a test 'cause I'm unemployed and don't want to waste it. -- Jim You may qualify for heap. Its a big help

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-26 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:37:03 -0500 John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 09:26 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: The first time we use it for real I'll probably learn a lot more about its consumption. I just hesitate to run a test 'cause I'm unemployed and

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-26 Thread John Berryman
On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 10:47 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: OK, now you're going to have to explain yourself, Johnny B. Craig Its a Guv program that gives grants to help with heating expenses. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-26 Thread R A Bennell
. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset Dude, thats truly outstanding. If nothing else it looks really really cool. Oddly, my wife

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-26 Thread R A Bennell
like the ones powered by the Lister style diesel even better. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset Dude, thats truly

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-26 Thread Jim Cathey
I sort of thought that your propane fuel tanks were a bit on the small side. Bought before I had a true idea of what this thing would eat. Before it ran, in other words. Do you know what a pig is? (and I am not saying your generator is a pig - I'm talking about propane tanks) You should have

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-26 Thread Jim Cathey
propane is the best fuel source for me. During hurricane Rita, we in Houston were not only without power; we could not purchase gas (or The planet? (Sorry, I can't ever seem to pass this up.) diesel). I have a ready supply of natural gas to my house into which I can tap. I really like Jim's

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-26 Thread R A Bennell
, 2006 8:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset I sort of thought that your propane fuel tanks were a bit on the small side. Bought before I had a true idea of what this thing would eat. Before it ran, in other words. Do you know what a pig is? (and I am not saying

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-25 Thread Jim Cathey
It's done, more or less. (OK, _nothing_ is ever actually _done_, but it's done enough to use.) http://cathey.dogear.com/genset.html There are pictures of it completed, as of today. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-25 Thread Hans Neureiter
A true Benz man, Kohler with MB OEM muffler support. Nice job, congratulations. On 1/25/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's done, more or less. (OK, _nothing_ is ever actually _done_, but it's done enough to use.) http://cathey.dogear.com/genset.html There are pictures of

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-25 Thread Loren Faeth
Looks like you finally won that battle Jim! Finally! Way Cool! I like the MB donuts to hang the exhaust. They are a nice touch! At 02:07 PM 1/25/2006, you wrote: It's done, more or less. (OK, _nothing_ is ever actually _done_, but it's done enough to use.)

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-25 Thread Curt Raymond
Dude, thats truely outstanding. If nothing else it looks really really cool. -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:07:17 -0800 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-20 Thread David Brodbeck
Jim Cathey wrote: generator. It was incredibly big and loud, appealing. I never understood the 400Hz aspect of aircraft power but there you go. I think it has to do with smaller, lighter magnetics. Yes, exactly. The amount of core steel you need in things like transformers is

Re: [MBZ] OT - Genset - MD-3

2006-01-20 Thread Jim Cathey
starter for one of the engines, the MD-3 did a couple of flips/rolls. The jet engine had seized, causing the starter to suddenly overload the MD-3. Oooh! Big heavy loud iron _and_ it does tricks? Cool! -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-19 Thread Jim Cathey
Somebody stop me before my wife kills again! I just won a GSA auction for a 400 Hz/60 Hz 25kVA motor generator set. I'm not sure whether it eats 400 Hz or 60 Hz. Regardless, in a perfect world I can hook a diesel to the end shaft and spin it. In a really perfect world, both the 400 Hz and 60

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-19 Thread Sunil Hari
GSA auction? What are those? On 1/18/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody stop me before my wife kills again! I just won a GSA auction for a 400 Hz/60 Hz 25kVA motor generator set. I'm not sure whether it eats 400 Hz or 60 Hz. Regardless, in a perfect world I can hook a

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-19 Thread dave walton
http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/gsaauctions/ But don't tell anyone - Please! -Dave Walton 94S350, 99E300 On 1/18/06, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GSA auction? What are those? On 1/18/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody stop me before my wife kills again! I

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-19 Thread Jim Cathey
GSA auction? What are those? Government (USA) Surplus Administration. Surplus property disposal, but not the only such channel apparently. I saw a Boeing jet for auction on it once. It, like all such high-ticket items, required a substantial deposit before you were even allowed to bid.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-19 Thread Jim Cathey
GSA auction? What are those? Government (USA) Surplus Administration. Or I _could_ read the stupid web page and get it right: General Services Administration. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-19 Thread Rich Thomas
Is that one for generating aircraft power? I recall working at the FBO back in college, and the radio shop that rented space in the hangar had one of these things they would crank up to provide power to their radios. It had a big 60Hz motor fed off the mains driving a 400Hz generator. It

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-19 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:26:47 -0800 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody stop me before my wife kills again! You're hopeless, Jim. You've got the bug bad. In a sucky world it's a 400 Hz generator hooked to a 60 Hz induction motor, and there's no end stub to couple to. From what I've

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset/mg sets

2006-01-19 Thread JFreezn
In a message dated 1/19/2006 7:46:52 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just won a GSA auction for a 400 Hz/60 Hz 25kVA motor generator set. I'm not sure whether it eats 400 Hz or 60 Hz. Regardless, in a perfect world I can hook a diesel to the end shaft and spin

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-19 Thread Jim Cathey
generator. It was incredibly big and loud, appealing. I never understood the 400Hz aspect of aircraft power but there you go. I think it has to do with smaller, lighter magnetics. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-16 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:21:34 -0800 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today I got the generator rewired zig-zag (1-phase) instead of wye (3-phase), and ran the space heater and a work light. It is plug-selectable back to 3-phase at need. Wired ZZ, it's a 26kW 120/240 generator, 33kVA.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-16 Thread Jim Cathey
Do you have the engine adequately governed/speed controlled? It has a mechanical (fly-weight) governor. There is no safety overspeed mechanism, though there is provision for one in the schematic. It was running at about 60 Hz the first time I put it together, but the last time it came out at

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-12 Thread Jim Cathey
Today I got the generator rewired zig-zag (1-phase) instead of wye (3-phase), and ran the space heater and a work light. It is plug-selectable back to 3-phase at need. Wired ZZ, it's a 26kW 120/240 generator, 33kVA. Versus 40kW/50kVA 120/208x3. 140A of house-wire-melting goodness. As of today

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-09 Thread JFreezn
In a message dated 1/8/2006 10:30:00 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It ran my 220V space heater this morning. About 100 ohms in place of the missing regulator rheostat. Wahoo! Jim, Good show! Resistance loads are the easiest to deal with but you can use

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-08 Thread Fmiser
rumor has it that Jim wrote: Add a sidetrack where I'm trying to beat Illustrator into making a nice-looking coil, and I've managed to waste the entire morning so far. (No luck w/Illustrator.) -- Jim XCircuit. It's a Linux app that is _great_ for schematics. I use it for almost any

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-08 Thread Jim Cathey
It ran my 220V space heater this morning. About 100 ohms in place of the missing regulator rheostat. Wahoo! -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-07 Thread barrystark
Actually there is quite a bit of water vapor that comes out of the tailpipe in most any engine. The water that you see dripping out of your tailpipe each morning is not from condensation, it is water vapor, a by product of the combustion process. When the engine is warmed up, the water is still

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-07 Thread OK Don
When input = hydrocarbon plus oxygen, output = carbon dioxide and water. However, reality isn't that pure - LOTS of other stuff in the air and fuel. On 1/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually there is quite a bit of water vapor that comes out of the tailpipe in most any

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-07 Thread David Brodbeck
OK Don wrote: When input = hydrocarbon plus oxygen, output = carbon dioxide and water. However, reality isn't that pure - LOTS of other stuff in the air and fuel. Also, the catalytic converter on gasoline engined cars converts even more of the exhaust products to water, if I remember right.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-07 Thread OK Don
Hmm--- don't cats get really hot when they injest to much un-burnt fuel? Must be burning it. Could you just squirt raw fuel into one, use the heat to generate steam, and run a steam engine with it? LOTS of torque! On 1/6/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: When input =

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-07 Thread Jim Cathey
Actually there is quite a bit of water vapor that comes out Roughly a gallon for every gallon of fuel that goes in, I'm told. Something tells me that's short, since octane is C8H18. Propane is C3H8. I'm no chemist, but them thar hydrogens ought to blow out into 9 gallons of water per gallon

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-07 Thread Jim Cathey
Hmm--- don't cats get really hot when they injest to much un-burnt fuel? Must be burning it. Could you just squirt raw fuel into one, use the heat to generate steam, and run a steam engine with it? LOTS of torque! Better just to squirt the raw fuel in a bit further back, and go for

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-07 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:39:57 -0800 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't an inherent byproduct of propane combustion lots of H2O? Yes. But I'm running scared now! I didn't want to put antifreeze in in case I need to do the block sealer trick. It's incompatible with it during

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-07 Thread Jim Cathey
Well, then, how about magnaflux dye or some similar? (You got an Army-Navy store nearby that has life raft dye?) Fluorescine? How about a pack of black Rit dye that I know where one is? -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-07 Thread Barry Stark
evidence of cracking I would have checked it out as well, at least around the water jacket areas. Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 8:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-07 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:14:42 -0800 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, then, how about magnaflux dye or some similar? (You got an Army-Navy store nearby that has life raft dye?) Fluorescine? How about a pack of black Rit dye that I know where one is? You want something that

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-07 Thread Jim Cathey
You want something that fluoresces when exposed to UV. My guess is the black Rit dye will not. I was just thinking that if black water came out the ports then I could get worried! But I'm slowly convincing myself that it's all OK. Right now I'm trying to figure out how this old Kohler was

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-07 Thread David Brodbeck
Jim Cathey wrote: I was just thinking that if black water came out the ports then I could get worried! But I'm slowly convincing myself that it's all OK. I'd say if your coolant level goes down, you have a problem. If it doesn't, you're okay. Keep in mind a decrease in the level may be

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-06 Thread Dave Wakin
- Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset Cool. Was this the original gasket, or the new one you bought for assembly? The 'new' one. (Not so new anymore

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-06 Thread Jim Cathey
I wonder if you would have been ok the second time had the gasket been replaced. Another thought I had was that you were using straight water I wonder too. An expensive, and time-consuming (special-order) experiment. The $2 can of spray copper goo was more my speed right now. instead of

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-06 Thread Jim Cathey
I started it at idle (removed throttle rod and put the spring on in its place) and noticed quite a bit of water blowing out of the exhaust manifold, complete with hissing and other scary behavior. Also drips from the manifold nuts. I was a bit concerned, as I've no idea how much initial

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-06 Thread Kevin
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 12:26:05PM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: After #6 was firing, it also blew warm air and water out of it like the others. I let the engine idle long enough to warm up quite a bit, and all the water stopped coming out. Just condensation? Seems like it might be, and I

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-06 Thread R A Bennell
, January 06, 2006 2:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 12:26:05PM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: After #6 was firing, it also blew warm air and water out of it like the others. I let the engine idle long enough to warm up quite a bit, and all

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-06 Thread Zeitgeist
Isn't an inherent byproduct of propane combustion lots of H2O? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-06 Thread Kevin
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 02:25:32PM -0800, Zeitgeist wrote: Isn't an inherent byproduct of propane combustion lots of H2O? Yes, moreso than conventional gasoline. K

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-06 Thread Jim Cathey
Isn't an inherent byproduct of propane combustion lots of H2O? Yes. But I'm running scared now! I didn't want to put antifreeze in in case I need to do the block sealer trick. It's incompatible with it during treatment, so I didn't want to have to do a lot of flushing to get it back to the

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-05 Thread Kevin
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 03:43:55PM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: from block to head? Was there any evidence that whomever assembled the engine Gasket looks to mate fine. Is it one of those annoying head gaskets that can be mounted flipped over and rotated? At least you know your water pump

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-05 Thread Jim Cathey
Is it one of those annoying head gaskets that can be mounted flipped over and rotated? Yes, it can go on one of two ways. It is on right now so that its stamped-in number can be read, and a W on one end of it matches a W stamped into the block. I'm not sure it would matter, as the block is

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-05 Thread Jim Cathey
e, remember how that head and block looked on the OM616 I sold you? YUCK! I bet it could work as a last resort though. We're running out of resorts! It's this, or spray the crap on the old gasket and see what happens with that. Quite possibly both! -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-05 Thread Potter, Tom E
Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset Have you looked at the surface of the head really close to make sure there aren't any cracks in it? Does the gasket match exactly the coolant passages I didn't see any, but I'm no expert. I can certainly look again when I take it off. Again. Water

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-05 Thread Kevin
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 03:20:26PM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: After removing the head, cleaning everything off, and reassembling it with copper spray-on goo it went back together and ran without any immediate signs of external leakage. Progress at last! I'll be keeping an eye on it for awhile

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-05 Thread Harry Watkins
Congrates, GO GOO. Harry Watkins Newton, MS 86 SDL Silver 85 300D Euro 86 SDL Gold 81 240D manual trans - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset After

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-04 Thread Woodlandtaylors
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-04 Thread Jim Cathey
Today I cleaned the head and block off, using brake cleaner, a rag, and a razor blade. I also mopped off the head gasket. I took the small points file to the two locating dowels, gently, so that I was just deburring it. After all this I lowered the head onto the block, stopping with it an inch

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-04 Thread Kevin
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 01:04:34PM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: Anyway, with the engine all reassembled I put the new propane fittings on and hooked up the tank. The motor fired right up, which was good. _Unfortunately_, the head is _still_ leaking in the middle of the exhaust manifold side.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-04 Thread Jim Cathey
Have you looked at the surface of the head really close to make sure there aren't any cracks in it? Does the gasket match exactly the coolant passages I didn't see any, but I'm no expert. I can certainly look again when I take it off. Again. Water weeps out the head gasket, I can see it

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-04 Thread Zeitgeist
e, remember how that head and block looked on the OM616 I sold you? YUCK! I bet it could work as a last resort though. On 1/4/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _Unfortunately_, the head is _still_ leaking in the middle of the exhaust manifold side. Sigh. I suppose the next

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-03 Thread Potter, Tom E
To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset I've got the genset running at speed, and the battery charges then. The regulator is discombobulated, however, and I'm getting 300+V. More disturbing than this is that the head gasket very definitely _is_ leaking. Water is seeping out

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-03 Thread Jim Cathey
Did you check the head for warpage? You may have to get it milled. A Going to try to this morning. I have a short Starrett rule that I'm going to try to find and use. It will be irritating to have had the head come back from the shop un-checked and un-milled, after I paid for a rebuild.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-03 Thread Hans Neureiter
The head may be ok, but also check the block. I had to deck the block on my 9N tractor and needed a thicker gasket which was available. So this is not uncommon. On 1/3/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you check the head for warpage? You may have to get it milled. A Going to try

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-03 Thread Jim Cathey
I found my 18 Starrett rule and my feeler gauges. I wiped down the head and block and went looking for warpage. Using the 0.004 gauge (limit is supposedly 0.006) I walked all over the head, both directions, and nowhere did the feeler even begin to come close to fitting under the rule. Ditto

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-03 Thread Rich Thomas
Make a gasket with some duct tape and goop it up with some JBWeld -- that ought to hold it tight! --R Jim Cathey wrote: I found my 18 Starrett rule and my feeler gauges. I wiped down the head and block and went looking for warpage. Using the 0.004 gauge (limit is supposedly 0.006) I walked

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-03 Thread Jim Cathey
Make a gasket with some duct tape and goop it up with some JBWeld -- that ought to hold it tight! I bet it would! -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-03 Thread Harry Watkins
Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset I found my 18 Starrett rule and my feeler gauges. I wiped down the head and block and went looking for warpage. Using the 0.004 gauge (limit

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-03 Thread Kevin
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 08:28:48AM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: So, from yesterday's list I'm only left with surface roughness as a potential culprit, and that seems unlikely to be responsible for such widespread leaking, especially as the gasket is a rubberized (?) one. It seems pretty grippy,

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-03 Thread R A Bennell
A couple of thoughts. 1. are you sure the head and the block match? holes all line up etc? Is it possible that you have parts of two different engines that are not totally compatible? 2. are you sure you have the right head gasket? Is it possible to put it on backwards or upside down? Sometimes

Re: [MBZ] OT Genset

2006-01-03 Thread Kevin
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 05:45:30PM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: There might be a slight coolant leak at the middle of the intake manifold. I suppose it could be the head gasket, but I'm wondering if the middle section of the manifold, the carburetor perch, is heated by a coolant passage? It has

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-03 Thread Jim Cathey
1. are you sure the head and the block match? holes all line up etc? Is it possible that you have parts of two different engines that are not totally compatible? Extremely unlikely. Everything looks like it matches anyway. 2. are you sure you have the right head gasket? Is it possible to

Re: [MBZ] OT Genset

2006-01-03 Thread Jim Cathey
Water heated intakes are rather common, especially when dealing with propane. I wouldn't be too surprised to hear that yours got the water from the head through the manifold rather than through a hose. What size were the holes, compared to the intake ports? Maybe 1/4-1/3 the size of the

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-02 Thread Barry Stark
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset Warpage? You did put a surface plate on it while it was apart, didn't you? I did nothing. The head went to the shop and came back 'done'. The block was sleeved by them, and honed, but that was it. The forest of studs poking out of the block were not removed, so

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-02 Thread JFreezn
In a message dated 1/1/2006 4:22:41 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I did nothing. The head went to the shop and came back 'done'. The block was sleeved by them, and honed, but that was it. The forest of studs poking out of the block were not removed, so

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-01-02 Thread Jim Cathey
wrong head gasket? Sure looked right. -- Jim

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