Re: filesystems?

2007-09-04 Thread Mike Swanson
Personally, ext2 should be an excellent choice; efficient disk usage and read/write support in all those OSes, including Windows, http://fs-driver.org/ I've been using that driver on Windows XP for a while now, so far no errors. It's not open source or anything unfortunately; but the open

Re: sasyncd: no shared key specified

2007-09-04 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/09/03 23:42, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: tried sasyncd out on 4.1-release and noticed that when i uncomment the basic settings in the default /etc/sasyncd.conf file that i see Just deleting the lines with comments should get it working for you. There must be something funny with the

Re: partioning for multiple OS's

2007-09-04 Thread Guido Tschakert
stan schrieb: I have a new laptop. It came with Vista on it. I used gpartd to resize those partions, and added Ubuntu. Now I want to add OpenBSD, and FreeBSD. I'd like to do OpenBSD next. When I boot the 4.1 CD, I get to the partioning step, and I am confused. Since I can't figure out

New user help

2007-09-04 Thread Adrian Fisher
Hello there, I recently began to read about OpenBSD with a view to installing it on my home system (I am somewhat new to Unix) and while I was able to install the base system without any problems I was unable to find clear instructions or pointers on how to go on from there. I wish to install

Re: New user help

2007-09-04 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Adrian Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wish to install the system then install and use the KDE interface You did install the *tgz parts? If so, you should be ready to fetch and install packages such as the various kde bits from your favorite mirror as per the FAQ's packages section,

Re: 4.1-stable 'make build' dies with 'out of memory' building perl

2007-09-04 Thread j . thornburg
In http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=118786051715312w=1 I wrote: I run -stable on an IBM/Lenovo T41p laptop with 512M memory and 2G swap. I cvs-updated /usr/src on Aug 22 around 21:00 GMT. As usual, I followed the instructions at http://www.openbsd.org/stable.html to rebuild... but unlike

Re: OT recommended mobo with lots of pci slots

2007-09-04 Thread Jay Jesus Amorin
hi, Just an o.t. based on your experience, can anyone pls recommend to me a intel/asus/epox mobo for dual core or pentium 4 proc with a lots of pci slot probably 4 or 5 pci slots and works fine on openbsd . is there a good(at least) support on linux or bsd for intel dual core proc? Thanks

Re: New user help

2007-09-04 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter N. M. Hansteen) writes: Adrian Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wish to install the system then install and use the KDE interface You did install the *tgz parts? sorry, that came out wrong, it should have been 'x*tgz parts'. I do need more coffee. -- Peter N.

Re: New user help

2007-09-04 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/09/04 09:40, Adrian Fisher wrote: I recently began to read about OpenBSD with a view to installing it on my home system (I am somewhat new to Unix) and while I was able to install the base system without any problems I was unable to find clear instructions or pointers on how to go on

Re: partioning for multiple OS's

2007-09-04 Thread stan
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 12:55:56AM -0400, bofh wrote: On 9/3/07, stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NameFlags Part Type FS Type [Label]Size (MB) -- sda1

Ultraportable Laptop

2007-09-04 Thread Raimo Niskanen
Hi all! I am pondering on which ultraportable laptop would be fine for OpenBSD. The Lenovo ThinkPad X61 comes first to mind since OpenBSD traditionally has been good at ThinkPads, but a display of 1024x768 is too small. They should be bigger nowdays. Lenovo 3000 V100 (V200) is another choice,

Re: Centralized ports collection server

2007-09-04 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 04:15:23AM +0200, Adriaan wrote: On 9/4/07, John Nietzsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear gentleman, i would like to set a single box in my network to keep syncronized to the ports collection infra structure. My ideia is to export the directory /usr/ports to all

Re: New user help

2007-09-04 Thread Vim Visual
For the kde thing, try something like --- pkg_add curl curl ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/i386/ | awk '{print $NF}' /tmp/curl.out for package in `grep -i ^wget /tmp/curl.out` `grep -i ^kdebase /tmp/curl.out` `grep

Re: Ultraportable Laptop

2007-09-04 Thread Jeroen Massar
Raimo Niskanen wrote: Hi all! I am pondering on which ultraportable laptop would be fine for OpenBSD. The Lenovo ThinkPad X61 comes first to mind since OpenBSD traditionally has been good at ThinkPads, but a display of 1024x768 is too small. They should be bigger nowdays. Get the x61

IPSEC.CONF with Dynamic IP address (parse HOST name) doesnt seem to work

2007-09-04 Thread * VLGroup Forums
Hello everyone, I have several VPN tunnels between OBSD 3.8 systems (LAN to LAN via VPN). These all have fixed IP addresses and all works fine :-) . However, now I have a OBSD 3.8 system that gets a Dynamic IP address. I mapped that address to a hostname using DynDNS.org Using ipcheck.py (a

Re: filesystems?

2007-09-04 Thread Jona Joachim
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 18:17:44 +0200 Martin SchrC6der [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/9/3, The One [EMAIL PROTECTED]: FAT32. And everyone can be compiled to read NTFS; Linux can even write to it. FreeBSD can also write NTFS using the ntfs-3g driver together with fusefs. Jona -- I am chaos. I

Re: filesystems?

2007-09-04 Thread Eric Elena
Le mardi 04 septembre 2007 C 00:23 +0200, Tonnerre LOMBARD a C)crit : Salut, On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 05:10:57PM +0200, Eric Elena wrote: I think fat32 is a good choice: you have nothing to install. Did you ever have to debug a deep directory structure where something caused all

Re: IPSEC.CONF with Dynamic IP address (parse HOST name) doesnt seem to work

2007-09-04 Thread Hans-Joerg Hoexer
Just use a recent snapshot. Support for names instead of ip addresses has been added, mh, at least a year ago. HJ. On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 12:32:55PM +0200, * VLGroup Forums wrote: Hello everyone, I have several VPN tunnels between OBSD 3.8 systems (LAN to LAN via VPN). These all have

Re: filesystems?

2007-09-04 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 10:48:27PM -0400, stan wrote: On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 07:22:47PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 12:23:34AM +0200, Tonnerre LOMBARD wrote: On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 05:10:57PM +0200, Eric Elena wrote: I think fat32 is a good choice: you have

Re: Ultraportable Laptop

2007-09-04 Thread Michael Dexter
I am pondering on which ultraportable laptop would be fine for OpenBSD. The Lenovo ThinkPad X61 comes first to mind since OpenBSD traditionally has been good at ThinkPads, but a display of 1024x768 is too small. Do take a look at the Toshiba Portege M's and R's. My M300 has proven extremely

Re: Ultraportable Laptop

2007-09-04 Thread Marco Peereboom
I love my Fijitsu lifebook q2010. On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 12:01:36PM +0200, Raimo Niskanen wrote: Hi all! I am pondering on which ultraportable laptop would be fine for OpenBSD. The Lenovo ThinkPad X61 comes first to mind since OpenBSD traditionally has been good at ThinkPads, but a

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-04 Thread The One
But how would it spread? There have been 2 OS X viruses, yet they spread terribly. And Apple has already fixed the issue. :) -The One On 9/2/07, Kennith Mann III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/1/07, The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/23/07 2:53 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: Symantec have

ipsec.conf/ipsecctl interop with Windows XP

2007-09-04 Thread Dan Brosemer
Has anyone got ipsec.conf/ipsecctl to interop with Windows XP? I had this working flawlessly with my isakmpd.conf, but rather like the new syntax and want to switch. I have it to the point of giving me this message when I start isakmpd with '-K -d -vvv' 090413.992346 Default isakmpd: phase 1

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-04 Thread Lars Hansson
Welcome to a really long time ago. --- Lars Hansson

Re: IPSec

2007-09-04 Thread Hans-Joerg Hoexer
Hi, could you try the attached diff, please? Index: message.c === RCS file: /cvs/src/sbin/isakmpd/message.c,v retrieving revision 1.126 diff -u -p -r1.126 message.c --- message.c 2 Jun 2007 01:29:11 - 1.126 +++ message.c

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 01:53:53AM +1000, Sunnz wrote: 2007/9/3, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Then a choice of licenses is offered to the receiver. If he only uses the software, neither affects him, but if he distributes, he either does it under the terms of the GPL v2 or

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-04 Thread Sunnz
2007/9/3, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Then a choice of licenses is offered to the receiver. If he only uses the software, neither affects him, but if he distributes, he either does it under the terms of the GPL v2 or under the terms of the BSD, or just as dual licensed.

Any new OpenBSD/landisk hardware?

2007-09-04 Thread Alexander Hall
Hi all! I've been looking around for the Plextor PX-EH{16,25,40}'s lately and discovered that they seem to be on the way out, if available at all. At least on the Swedish sites. Is there any new OpenBSD compatible landisk-like hardware available, other than that listed on landisk.html?

Re: Ultraportable Laptop

2007-09-04 Thread nicodache
anybody with an Asus S6F(m) or U1F running OpenBSD ? These are aslo quite small, and while the S6F is quite thick, it comes with an internal DVD burner. Second battery push the autonomy up to 10h. Thinking about buying it, and using some BSD on it. On 9/4/07, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-04 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: If the person chooses to use the GNU GPL they have to respect the GNU GPL's conditions, not the BSD ones. Anyway, it's a moot point since the SFLC found a much more polite way of converting to the GNU GPL without needing to remove it. speaking of moot and

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-04 Thread Daniel A. Ramaley
On Saturday 01 September 2007 17:49, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:40:53PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: Most dictionaries I had at my hand define alternative as choices. You can get http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alternative Wow. Let's all go practice law with a

Re: Any new OpenBSD/landisk hardware?

2007-09-04 Thread Diana Eichert
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Alexander Hall wrote: Hi all! I've been looking around for the Plextor PX-EH{16,25,40}'s lately and discovered that they seem to be on the way out, if available at all. At least on the Swedish sites. Is there any new OpenBSD compatible landisk-like hardware available,

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 11:37:00AM -0500, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: On Saturday 01 September 2007 17:49, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:40:53PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: Most dictionaries I had at my hand define alternative as choices. You can get

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-04 Thread Sunnz
2007/9/5, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 01:53:53AM +1000, Sunnz wrote: 2007/9/3, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Then a choice of licenses is offered to the receiver. If he only uses the software, neither affects him, but if he distributes,

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-04 Thread Timo Schoeler
Thus Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:38:09 +0100: On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 11:37:00AM -0500, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: On Saturday 01 September 2007 17:49, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:40:53PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 09:41:04PM +0200, Timo Schoeler wrote: I think that if *alternative* means both at the same time in any reputable dictionary (legal or not), Show those. Besides this, it is WRONG. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alternative Hence the meaning of ALTERNATIVE: NOT

ifstated.conf for pppoe

2007-09-04 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
anybody got an ifstated.conf they're willing to share for having redundancy on their pppoe connection? example: your firewall that does the pppoe goes down and you want another machine to restart the pppoe session and route your network. am building one right now and will post it if nobody

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-04 Thread Timo Schoeler
Thus Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:52:59 +0100: On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 09:41:04PM +0200, Timo Schoeler wrote: I think that if *alternative* means both at the same time in any reputable dictionary (legal or not), Show those. Besides this, it is

Question about dynamic DNS (BIND 8 EOL: OpenBSD Makes It Easy)

2007-09-04 Thread Tom Van Looy
I read the article on undeadly and a question came up. dhcpd in base install does not support dynamic DNS (which is modern I guess) so I followed this guide to configure a 4.0 box to support it http://www.bsdguides.org/guides/openbsd/networking/dynamic_dns_dhcp.php But the following seems

Re: Question about dynamic DNS (BIND 8 EOL: OpenBSD Makes It Easy)

2007-09-04 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/09/04 22:13, Tom Van Looy wrote: But the following seems wrong to me: cd /usr/sbin mkdir isc-dhcp-2.0 mv dhcpd isc-dhcp-2.0/ mv /usr/local/sbin/dhcpd dhcpd oh, that will cause fun 6-12 months later at upgrade time when you've forgotten about it. run it from /usr/local/sbin in

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-04 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 10:08:46PM +0200, Timo Schoeler wrote: Are you lying intentionally? Given that you live in a parallel world where everything is *^-1, I'm saying the truth. Fine, good that you realize that. I don't think you two are adding much to the common knowledge at this point.

How to properly configure man.conf

2007-09-04 Thread Amit
Hey guys, Recently started using OpenBSD (4.0) as my development server. I just installed dejagnu and one of the dependencies is TCL. At the end of pkg_add, this is the output * sudo pkg_add -i dejagnu ... dejagnu-1.4.3p4: complete --- tcl-8.4.7p1 --- You may wish to add

Re: How to properly configure man.conf

2007-09-04 Thread Jason McIntyre
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 01:30:43PM -0700, Amit wrote: Hey guys, Recently started using OpenBSD (4.0) as my development server. I just installed dejagnu and one of the dependencies is TCL. At the end of pkg_add, this is the output * sudo pkg_add -i dejagnu ... dejagnu-1.4.3p4:

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Hi Sunnz, On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 04:32:20AM +1000, Sunnz wrote: If the person chooses to use the GNU GPL they have to respect the GNU GPL's conditions, not the BSD ones. GNU GPL, however, only grants the right to re-distribute (under certain conditions), but not re-license, right? No,

Re: partioning for multiple OS's

2007-09-04 Thread stan
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 08:30:27AM +0200, Guido Tschakert wrote: stan schrieb: I have a new laptop. It came with Vista on it. I used gpartd to resize those partions, and added Ubuntu. Now I want to add OpenBSD, and FreeBSD. I'd like to do OpenBSD next. When I boot the 4.1 CD, I

Re: ifstated.conf for pppoe

2007-09-04 Thread Can E. Acar
anybody got an ifstated.conf they're willing to share for having redundancy on their pppoe connection? example: your firewall that does the pppoe goes down and you want another machine to restart the pppoe session and route your network. I dont have the configuration with me right now (and

Max throughput ?

2007-09-04 Thread Michael Gale
Hey, It was suggested that we create an OpenBSD server with 9GB interfaces to start. 7 Will be used right off the bat. This would function as a core router brining 7 GB networks together on the inside of a main firewall. I suggested that maybe we would have some bandwidth issues with

Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award

2007-09-04 Thread Nick Shank
The One wrote: But how would it spread? There have been 2 OS X viruses, yet they spread terribly. And Apple has already fixed the issue. :) -The One On 9/2/07, Kennith Mann III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/1/07, The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/23/07 2:53 AM, Theo de Raadt

Re: Any new OpenBSD/landisk hardware?

2007-09-04 Thread Alexander Hall
Diana Eichert wrote: On Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Alexander Hall wrote: Hi all! I've been looking around for the Plextor PX-EH{16,25,40}'s lately and discovered that they seem to be on the way out, if available at all. At least on the Swedish sites. Is there any new OpenBSD compatible landisk-like

switch or server? (was Re: Max throughput ?)

2007-09-04 Thread David Newman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/4/07 3:03 PM, Michael Gale wrote: Hey, It was suggested that we create an OpenBSD server with 9GB interfaces to start. I think here you mean 9 1-Gbit/s interfaces 7 Will be used right off the bat. This would function as a core

Re: filesystems?

2007-09-04 Thread Tonnerre LOMBARD
Salut, On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 01:10:14PM +0200, Eric Elena wrote: No I didn't. Is it so fun? :) Oh yes. By the way, I must say that for additional fun, the directory names were A, B, C, ..., Y, Z. Gives you quite something to search for. Tonnerre [demime 1.01d

Is Intel 82566MM supported?

2007-09-04 Thread Roman Strogin
Many latest laptops have Intel 82566MM Gigabit Ethernet controller. On man pages I read that em driver supports 82566DC, 82566DM. Is 82566MM supported? Roman.

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-04 Thread Jona Joachim
On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 08:40:30 -0500 Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong wrong wrong. You interpretation is not relevant. The interpretation of the law is. You can't go around changing legal interpretation at your convenience. I interpret that downloading mp3s is like totally

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-04 Thread Theo de Raadt
I did run strings on some Windows XP command line tools just out of curiosity and while I was able to find the copyright line I couldn't find any license. The license on that code says: * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright *notice, this list of conditions

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-04 Thread Brett Lymn
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 06:16:35PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: As far as I know the 3-term BSD license is totally dead, except in NetBSD, where their group still pushes developers to place new code under a full 4-term license. Sometimes we reluctantly include such code, hoping that one day

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-04 Thread Jona Joachim
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:16:35 -0600 Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did run strings on some Windows XP command line tools just out of curiosity and while I was able to find the copyright line I couldn't find any license. The license on that code says: * 1. Redistributions of

Re: Atheros 5424

2007-09-04 Thread Tobias Weingartner
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron Hsu wrote: I am just wondering if any work is going into the Atheros 5424 chipset? (I noticed some disturbing news about new code being added to the Atheros code.) How much work would be involved to get the chipset working? Documentation? Seriously,

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-04 Thread Theo de Raadt
As far as I know the 3-term BSD license is totally dead, except in NetBSD, where their group still pushes developers to place new code under a full 4-term license. Sometimes we reluctantly include such code, hoping that one day this situation can be improved. The 4 term licence in

Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing

2007-09-04 Thread Marco Peereboom
blah blah blah You are worse than a mother in law. Shut up already. Your drivel stopped being amusing 178000 emails ago. On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 10:18:33PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Hi Sunnz, On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 04:32:20AM +1000, Sunnz wrote: If the person chooses to use

Re: How do I configure Cyclades Z serial ports with OpenBSD?

2007-09-04 Thread Don Jackson
OK, thanks for the pointers! I rebuilt the kernel, uncommenting the cz driver. Installed the new kernel on that machine, rebooted. Now I get: Sep 4 21:15:18 log01 /bsd: cz0 at pci1 dev 9 function 0 Cyclades Cyclom-Z rev 0x01cz0: Cyclades-Ze, no channels at tached, firmware 3.3.1 Sep 4