Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

I don't see any issue with a company wanting custom work done on the project as long as it doesn't contradict the goals of the project. For example, a company might want to pay more to improve particular hardware drivers, is that really a problem? Consulting could be a good way to raise funds

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

Gareth Nelson wrote: > I don't see any issue with a company wanting custom work done on the > project as long as it doesn't contradict the goals of the project. > > For example, a company might want to pay more to improve particular > hardware drivers, is that really a problem? > > Consulting

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

> I don't see any issue with a company wanting custom work done on the > project as long as it doesn't contradict the goals of the project. > > For example, a company might want to pay more to improve particular > hardware drivers, is that really a problem? > > Consulting could be a good way to

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

> Consulting could be a good way to raise funds for the project while also > encouraging usage. Obviously all the developers should add additional consulting gigs on the side, to improve freeload. Unfortunately our software to add additional hours to the day isn't finished yet, because most of

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

> How about a series of 'Corporate' CDs, with a sliding scale of prices, > incrementing on a traditional per user/account/cpu/etc basis? > > Management & purchasing people are accustomed to this. [ ... ] I (only my personal opinion) think this contradicts with the main goal (Free) of the

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

On 2015-12-01 Tue 22:08 PM |, Marko Cupa?? wrote: > > But I work for a company whose networking relies heavily on > OpenBSD. My boss, although not from FOSS world, understands the value > of good software, so I managed to persuade him to approve purchase of > CD set every release. He also

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

I have no clue what a hackathon costs, any ballpark averages? Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network.   Original Message   From: Theo de Raadt Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 11:11 AM To: Donald Allen Cc: Theo de Raadt; misc; Richard Thornton Subject: Re: A

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

> But if we lose the project leader due to lack of exercise and food, > that's not good for the project. You made it very clear in a previous > message to this thread that no Foundation money comes to you. So while > the Foundation may be doing good things with their money, we, the > community,

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> But if we lose the project leader due to lack of exercise and food, >> that's not good for the project. You made it very clear in a previous >> message to this thread that no Foundation money comes to you. So while

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

> I have no clue what a hackathon costs, any ballpark averages? http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/financials/2014/IncomeStatement2014.txt http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/financials/2013/IncomeStatement2013.txt These reports can be compared against http://www.openbsd.org/hackathons.html to find

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

On 2015-12-02 16:21, Theo de Raadt wrote: I have no clue what a hackathon costs, any ballpark averages? http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/financials/2014/IncomeStatement2014.txt http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/financials/2013/IncomeStatement2013.txt These reports can be compared against

getting money to deraadt@ [Was: Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?]

dera...@openbsd.org (Theo de Raadt), 2015.12.02 (Wed) 02:18 (CET): > >I don't think that quite covers it. Those of us who have the choice > >can send checks or Paypal money directly to Theo, as described on the > >Donations page. I think checks are preferable, because they eliminate > >Paypal

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

I don't think it should be the contributors who should choose directly to who the money is "attributed". That being exactly the role of the foundation, in my opinion. But maybe : - the foundation could take into account the time given by each dev - the devs could have their own votes in regards

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >>"All I can do is buy the CD's and give some $ to the >>foundation. Any other suggestion is not productive." >> >>I don't think that quite covers it. Those of us who have the choice >>can send checks or Paypal money

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

Personally, I don't have the resources to contribute any amount of money. Unix admin's job here in Serbia is paid in high 4 figures :) Yearly, that's right. But I work for a company whose networking relies heavily on OpenBSD. My boss, although not from FOSS world, understands the value of good

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 18:41:24 -0200 Michel Behr wrote: > Just one more thing: for non-developers, if you think there's any > sense in this idea I just described, please, some "seconding" and/or > additions would be welcomed. Also some e-mails directed to >

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

"All I can do is buy the CD's and give some $ to the foundation. Any other suggestion is not productive." I don't think that quite covers it. Those of us who have the choice can send checks or Paypal money directly to Theo, as described on the Donations page. I think checks are preferable,

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

As I understand, one of the reasons for the Foundation to avoid targeted contributions is to preserve the independence of the project - in the current model they are accountable for allocating the resources as they see fit. So IMHO there is value in that model for that regard. On the other hand,

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

Just one more thing: for non-developers, if you think there's any sense in this idea I just described, please, some "seconding" and/or additions would be welcomed. Also some e-mails directed to fundrais...@openbsdfoundation.org would be great in this regard too. (Again: OpenBSD developers should

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

>"All I can do is buy the CD's and give some $ to the >foundation. Any other suggestion is not productive." > >I don't think that quite covers it. Those of us who have the choice >can send checks or Paypal money directly to Theo, as described on the >Donations page. I think checks are preferable,

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

> > Now to be clear Theo, are donation via the paypal on the donations page > > are directly to you and you can do as you see fit, and/or only checks > > would be best? > > Correct, as I see fit. I try to use it for the Project for things the > Foundation doesn't fund. I declared it that way

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

> > > Now to be clear Theo, are donation via the paypal on the donations page > > > are directly to you and you can do as you see fit, and/or only checks > > > would be best? > > > > Correct, as I see fit. I try to use it for the Project for things the > > Foundation doesn't fund. I declared

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

Theo: like others in this thread I find it quite shocking and disappointing how poorly you are doing financially from your hard work. I apologise if this is too obvious a suggestion but if the foundation is making a sufficient income is it not possible for you to draw a salary as an employee? As

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

> Theo: like others in this thread I find it quite shocking and disappointing > how poorly you are doing financially from your hard work. Join the club :) > I apologise if this is too obvious a suggestion but if the foundation is > making a sufficient income is it not possible for you to draw a

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

On 12/01/15 10:20, Anthony Campbell wrote: > On 30 Nov 2015, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: >> Let's not waste any more of Theo's time. USB sticks are not the magic >> device that some seem to think. Some are not very reliable and prone to >> failure. I've had very mixed results with budget USB sticks in

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

On 30 Nov 2015, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: > Let's not waste any more of Theo's time. USB sticks are not the magic > device that some seem to think. Some are not very reliable and prone to > failure. I've had very mixed results with budget USB sticks in > particular. Going with a more expensive USB

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 08:31:54PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2015-11-30, Tati Chevron wrote: in my case, a USB stick would be actually useful for installing machines -- unlike the CD sets (I haven't had a working optical drive in the last 5+ years). Any chance for

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

> Software development. :D > > More importantly, what can users do to make it easier for developers to > write code? That is the important question to ask when a thought like this > comes up. Is it more efficient of developer time for me to purchase my own > usb stick and deal with it myself,

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

Em 30-11-2015 19:34, Theo de Raadt escreveu: > These days the CD revenue is about what a cashier at a store makes. This is truly sad, to not say tragical. > > It seems to keep shrinking, but I will try to keep doing it unless it > nears zero; at which point the artwork will stop also. > > I'm

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

Theo de Raadt writes: > I don't know, but I'll think about it later, because I am busy. > I am spending my day making a non-writeable USB stick for the OP. That's nice. Although a simple 'no' would have sufficed of course. I have been told that buying CD sets is useful

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

> >>(Making them unconditionally read-only would be probably a good thing, > >>too.) > > > > This, too, I see a value in. > > And who is going to trust this? There's a significantly higher bar > to invisibly tampering with a pressed and printed CD than a USB stick. > (Also it kind-of makes the

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

Em 30-11-2015 19:03, Tati Chevron escreveu: > Again, the original idea wasn't mine. I commented on the thread, but in > my mind, I imagined receiving the install source on a medium that had the > same bar to tampering as a CD, such as masked rom. I wasn't thinking of > a standard USB flash

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

> >> I would buy an official release on USB or preferably sd card, if it > >> was on offer. Presumably the production costs would be less as well. > > > >Cloning CDs from a master is something that can be farmed out > >relatively easily. Writing an image to USB/SD, not so much, especially > >when

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

> Em 30-11-2015 19:03, Tati Chevron escreveu: > > Again, the original idea wasn't mine. I commented on the thread, but in > > my mind, I imagined receiving the install source on a medium that had the > > same bar to tampering as a CD, such as masked rom. I wasn't thinking of > > a standard USB

A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

Hi, in my case, a USB stick would be actually useful for installing machines -- unlike the CD sets (I haven't had a working optical drive in the last 5+ years). Any chance for 5.9? (Making them unconditionally read-only would be probably a good thing, too.) M. -- id' Ash = Ash; id' Dust =

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

I suspect the answer is that this falls into the category of too expensive/distracting to bother, based on the overall benefit. I find that having a DVD reader/writer in an external USB-connected enclosure works well for optical-diskless machines. Devin

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

in my case, a USB stick would be actually useful for installing machines -- unlike the CD sets (I haven't had a working optical drive in the last 5+ years). Any chance for 5.9? I would buy an official release on USB or preferably sd card, if it was on offer. Presumably the production costs

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

> I would buy an official release on USB or preferably sd card, if it > was on offer. Presumably the production costs would be less as well. ^ How do you figure that? We put everything on the internet. Thousands upon

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

Software development. :D More importantly, what can users do to make it easier for developers to write code? That is the important question to ask when a thought like this comes up. Is it more efficient of developer time for me to purchase my own usb stick and deal with it myself, or request

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

On 2015-11-30, Tati Chevron wrote: >>in my case, a USB stick would be actually useful for installing machines >>-- unlike the CD sets (I haven't had a working optical drive in the last >>5+ years). Any chance for 5.9? > > I would buy an official release on USB or preferably

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

On 11/30/15 8:43 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >>> >>> These days the CD revenue is about what a cashier at a store makes. > > Uncertain of the veracity of this site, > >

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

>> Em 30-11-2015 19:03, Tati Chevron escreveu: >> > Again, the original idea wasn't mine. I commented on the thread, >> but in >> > my mind, I imagined receiving the install source on a medium that >> had the >> > same bar to tampering as a CD, such as masked rom. I wasn't >> thinking of >> > a

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

Let's not waste any more of Theo's time. USB sticks are not the magic device that some seem to think. Some are not very reliable and prone to failure. I've had very mixed results with budget USB sticks in particular. Going with a more expensive USB stick like a major brand name *usually* turns out

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

On 01/12/15 10:40, Petr Ročkai wrote: > Theo de Raadt writes: >> I don't know, but I'll think about it later, because I am busy. >> I am spending my day making a non-writeable USB stick for the OP. > That's nice. Although a simple 'no' would have sufficed of course. I >

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > These days the CD revenue is about what a cashier at a store makes. I'm sick to my stomack when I read this. I won't get into how unjust, unfair, unethical this situation is, we all know that life is unfair. We

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 06:20:02PM -0700, Bal??zs Nagy wrote: > On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > > These days the CD revenue is about what a cashier at a store makes. > > I'm sick to my stomack when I read this. I won't get into how unjust, >

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > > These days the CD revenue is about what a cashier at a store makes. Uncertain of the veracity of this site, http://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Job=Cashier/Hourly_Rate/725daaa6/Entry-Level-Calgary-AB I was

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

Em 30-11-2015 20:10, Bryan Vyhmeister escreveu: > Let's not waste any more of Theo's time. USB sticks are not the magic > device that some seem to think. Some are not very reliable and prone to > failure. I've had very mixed results with budget USB sticks in > particular. Going with a more

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

> Em 30-11-2015 20:10, Bryan Vyhmeister escreveu: > > Let's not waste any more of Theo's time. USB sticks are not the magic > > device that some seem to think. Some are not very reliable and prone to > > failure. I've had very mixed results with budget USB sticks in > > particular. Going with a

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

Em 30-11-2015 21:56, Theo de Raadt escreveu: > But that model does not help me. Please don't give out the impression > that it does. The dwindling effectiveness of the CD sales support > model is a bit of a worry. Sorry for creating that impression. It surely wasn't my intention. Now you made it

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

> The good news if any, is that Gifts are tax free in Canada, so that part > is helpful and users should fell they get more out of their money freely > given as a gift. > > http://www.taxtips.ca/personaltax/giftsandinheritances.htm Correct, but be careful it will not be interpreted later as a

Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?

The reality is obvious - most users of open source are pure unadulterated free loaders.  Nobody pays but we all use it.   That includes very large corporations as well.  Torvalds solved it the old fashioned way;  he is an employee of his own foundation.  McKusick sells training videos.  All I can