Re: Comments on "Terminologies in Information models", anyone?

2019-10-11 Thread GF
to provide the answer. Gerard Freriks +31 620 34 70 88 ‭+31 182 22 59 46‬ gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 10 Oct 2019, at 11:29, Vebjørn Arntzen via openEHR-clinical > wrote: > > d. Although measures have been taken to implement internation

Re: Archetype modelling pattern for Physical examination findings

2019-03-07 Thread GF
. And then per Panel component two CLUSTERS: one for data and one for its context. Gerard Freriks +31 620 34 70 88 ‭+31 182 22 59 46‬ gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 7 Mar 2019, at 05:33, Heather Leslie > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Th

Re: openEHR on FHIR and vice versa

2018-12-14 Thread GF
Model. Gerard Freriks +31 620 34 70 88 ‭+31 182 22 59 46‬ gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 14 Dec 2018, at 11:48, Diego Boscá wrote: > > Hello Georg, > > The main result of that paper was supporting FHIR as a reference model to > define a

Re: Two-level modelling diagram

2018-11-30 Thread GF
Gerard Freriks +31 620 34 70 88 ‭+31 182 22 59 46‬ gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 29 Nov 2018, at 11:47, Thomas Beale wrote: > > On 28/11/2018 17:56, Pablo Pazos wrote: >> Do we need the user in the middle? > we could, although I learn

Re: Unique paths for slots problem if slots are filled with same archetype

2018-11-03 Thread GF
is pre-existing data that is re-used. When querying for a concept it must be possible to restrict it to new data and/or re-used data. Again this can be solved via standardised basic Archetypes or the RM. The RM is the best option. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801

Re: Generic modeling and issues for querying

2018-09-21 Thread GF
Because archetypes and templates allow to use one or more instantiations depending on constraints, querying needs to be done on instantiations informed by the Template. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 19 Sep 2018, at 03

Re: Identifying archetype nodes in AQL via terminology code

2018-09-10 Thread GF
See below. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 6 Sep 2018, at 10:42, Thomas Beale wrote: > > > In openEHR as it stands now, the answer would be no, because the > snomed-ct:263495000 code is just one binding

Re: Identifying archetype nodes in AQL via terminology code

2018-09-08 Thread GF
In SIAMM every node can have any name/label. Its meaning is carried in attached one or mode codes. One code that is required at minimal is from the set of Reference Coding Systems. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 6 Sep 2

Re: GDPR and OpenEhr.

2018-09-05 Thread GF
countries. The EHR 13606 is designed based on a set of medical-legal requirements. I’m of the opinion that that set does not need an update because of the new privacy law. When I’m mistaken I would like to be pointed at those missing requirements. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl

Re: GDPR and OpenEhr.

2018-09-05 Thread GF
that is equipped to manage keys in a trusted way. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 1 Sep 2018, at 20:28, Thomas Beale wrote: > > I continue to wonder what will happen when a cancer patient (perhaps in a > moment o

Re: GDPR and OpenEhr.

2018-09-03 Thread GF
context. But allow the patient to be found for medico-legal purposes, research, etc. This functionality is executed in the Patient-Index Service and NOT the Patient Health Record. All my reasoning is true in the local, and iCloud, wat of processing/storing data. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf

Re: AQL on specific list of compositions

2018-08-21 Thread GF
? What is for aiding the author / reader managing the data? Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 20 Aug 2018, at 10:53, Thomas Beale wrote: > > > > On 18/08/2018 07:56, Bert Verhees wrote: >> I cannot imagine h

Re: AQL on specific list of compositions

2018-08-20 Thread GF
subject of care <https://contsys.org/concept/subject_of_care> or a subject of care <https://contsys.org/concept/subject_of_care> proxy's perception of health needs <https://contsys.org/concept/health_need> motivating a demand for car <https://contsys.org/concept/demand_for_care

Re: Drug dispense entry class question

2018-08-12 Thread GF
is done in an Administrative context Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 11 Aug 2018, at 21:03, Pablo Pazos wrote: > > Hi all, > > How would you map a "pharmacy drug dispense" task, where the patient com

Re: post-coordination in openEHR

2018-08-09 Thread GF
) In my view the Archetype is the preferred way to express pre-/post coordinated terms. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 9 Aug 2018, at 23:10, Pablo Pazos wrote: > > IMO it means post coordinated stuff can't be used

Re: Empty COMPOSITION.content is valid?

2018-07-26 Thread GF
in a jurisdiction at a point in time. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 26 Jul 2018, at 10:46, Diego Boscá wrote: > > You would be surprised to the amount of legacy data with no clinical content, > just because original sys

Re: Question about periodic interval events

2018-06-26 Thread GF
Hi, I perceive the need to change/improve the OpenEHR spec because of this discussion. What is the interpretation by Thomas? GF Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 26 Jun 2018, at 04:17, Pablo Pazos wrote: > >

Re: Question about periodic interval events

2018-06-24 Thread GF
See below GF Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 24 Jun 2018, at 01:49, Pablo Pazos wrote: > > Hi Gerard, > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 6:58 PM, GF mailto:gf...@luna.nl>> > wrote: > When one

Re: Question about periodic interval events

2018-06-23 Thread GF
these things using a classification? Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 23 Jun 2018, at 21:35, Pablo Pazos wrote: > > Hi all, > > As usual I'm reading the specs and have a question about periodic interval > events. >

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-04-05 Thread GF
things are presented in a system-interface. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl > On 05 Apr 2018, at 14:50, Philippe Ameline <philippe.amel...@free.fr> wrote: > > Le 05/04/2018 à 12:16, Thomas Beale a écrit : > >> On 02/04/2018 18:38, Philippe Ameline wrote: >>

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-04-03 Thread GF
Thomas, I will have to digest it. I’ll be back. GF Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 3 Apr 2018, at 11:08, Thomas Beale <thomas.be...@openehr.org> wrote: > > Some theory along these lines > <https://

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-04-03 Thread GF
requirements to be met. Systems of the future have other additional requirements that impact archetype patterns and the standard way of using coding systems. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 3 Apr 2018, at 10:06, Pablo Pa

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-04-03 Thread GF
of implicit information needed to interpret safely and fully. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 3 Apr 2018, at 09:35, A Verhees <bert.verh...@rosa.nl> wrote: > > > GF :"There are NO agreed standardised archety

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-04-03 Thread GF
Archetype modelling and the use of SNOMED pre- and/or post-coordination Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 3 Apr 2018, at 09:31, A Verhees <bert.verh...@rosa.nl> wrote: > > Can we specific define in about ten word

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-04-03 Thread GF
I agree > The message is simple: don't allow items with complex meanings in leafnodes, > but use archetypes to represent complexity. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 3 Apr 2018, at 00:04, A Verhees <bert.verh...@ro

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-04-03 Thread GF
see below Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 2 Apr 2018, at 23:35, A Verhees <bert.verh...@rosa.nl> wrote: > > GF: "When we add to all this that only part of the epistemology can be > pre-coordin

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-04-02 Thread GF
- standardised services/interfaces for database, user screen/keyboard, messages, clinical reasoner - supporting terminology services (i.e converter into/from user friendly terms, …) - all based on orthogonal shared standardised models. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-04-02 Thread GF
- When that what is documented is used in shared working processes we need a common vocabulary: i.e. System of Concepts for Continuity of Care Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 2 Apr 2018, at 14:06, Philippe Amel

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-04-02 Thread GF
. This subtle but important distinction is only one of the reasons to refrain from the use of pre-coorodinated SNOMED terms. Things like these matter when we start to reason about the documented patient data. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-04-02 Thread GF
I think, we happen to be in full agreement. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 2 Apr 2018, at 01:06, Thomas Beale <thomas.be...@openehr.org> wrote: > > > In a so-called closed-world system, everything that is

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-04-01 Thread GF
to the author cancer is not found. But any time in the future it might. 'No Cancer' as pre-coordinated term in the case of SNOMED means that no cancer was, is, or will be present. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 1 Apr 2018, at 14

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-04-01 Thread GF
gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 31 Mar 2018, at 22:13, Philippe Ameline <philippe.amel...@free.fr> wrote: > > Some people (count me in) strictly ban what you call precoordination (that I > call "aglutinating language

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-04-01 Thread GF
there was, is or will be cancer. Ontologies describe reality. In archetypes that use the Closed World Assumption Diagnosis=cancer, PresenceModifier=No means No Cancer found but perhaps they are. It just was not found. Presence of absence in a database are described. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-31 Thread GF
? Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 31 Mar 2018, at 13:04, A Verhees <bert.verh...@rosa.nl> wrote: > > Okay. Do you have a technical description of what you are talking about? > > Thanks > Bert signature.

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-31 Thread GF
the Archetype Patterns create one Documentation ontology. That Documentation ontology as grammar combined with a terminology like SNOMED and LOINC looks like Phillipe's system. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 31 Mar 2018, at 11

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-31 Thread GF
The specialisation in the OpenEHR RM itself is an anomaly, that can be circumvented. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 31 Mar 2018, at 12:14, Bert Verhees <bert.verh...@rosa.nl> wrote: > > On 31-03-18 12:11, GF

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-31 Thread GF
Both styles are possible with any RM. It is a choice. Most archetype modellers use the Class-Attribute / Archetype Node style. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 31 Mar 2018, at 11:04, Bert Verhees <bert.verh...@rosa.nl&

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-31 Thread GF
- Archetype Node style (Class-Attribute style) Specialisation by changing node names in the archetype Each archetype makes use of non-standard patterns. The meaning is changed by changing node names. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-30 Thread GF
way of modelling the collection of paths is a kind of ontology for data in healthcare records. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 30 Mar 2018, at 17:25, Philippe Ameline <philippe.amel...@free.fr> wrote: > > Le 30/

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-30 Thread GF
, (depending on specifics) Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 30 Mar 2018, at 14:38, Philippe Ameline <philippe.amel...@free.fr> wrote: > > Le 28/03/2018 à 23:42, GF a écrit : >> I see the analogies: >>

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-28 Thread GF
in a database or when a Clinical Reasoner processes data the Rules apply. Archetypes help define the datum but also its full context/epistomology so the data can be interpreted safely. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 28 Mar 2

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-24 Thread GF
- Requirements for data exposed to users via statistics, screens, forms, and documents - Requirements for data stored, retrieved from databases - Requirements for data to be interpreted by clinical reasoners - Modelling methods Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-23 Thread GF
depending on user requirements will use pre-coordinated terms that can be constructed using the raw data in the generic system interface. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 23 Mar 2018, at 10:35, Bakke, Silje Ljosl

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-23 Thread GF
, the problem is intractable. Next to these 4 models we need additional models: - Healthcare Process (ContSys) - Documentation process (Observation Process, Evaluation Process, Planning Process, Ordering process, Execution Process, Administrative processes) - … Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf

Re: [Troll] Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-22 Thread GF
. These pre-coordinated terms must never be used to store, retrieve, interpret raw health data inside Health IT-systems. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 22 Mar 2018, at 00:46, Heather Leslie > <heather.les...@atomicainform

Re: Should Duration class used in AOM 1.0.2 be ISO8601_DURATION from support specs?

2018-03-22 Thread GF
Chairos time has fussiness (uncertainty) as attribute. Actually any topic needs a fussiness/uncertainty attribute. Either a range of something or a subjective qualification Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 21 Mar 2018, at

Re: Should Duration class used in AOM 1.0.2 be ISO8601_DURATION from support specs?

2018-03-21 Thread GF
points on the time line but use fussier terms like: begin of an event somewhere in 2015, or a duration of one month, or Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 21 Mar 2018, at 15:02, Bert Verhees <bert.verh...@rosa.nl> wrote: >

Re: Should Duration class used in AOM 1.0.2 be ISO8601_DURATION from support specs?

2018-03-21 Thread GF
meters? Is there one kind of duration? 24 minutes, 5 seconds? For 2 hours past midnight? For 2 hours after (clinical) event x For 2 months after (clinical) event y Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 21 Mar 2018, at 00:22, A Verh

Re: Should Duration class used in AOM 1.0.2 be ISO8601_DURATION from support specs?

2018-03-19 Thread GF
Duration must be modelled using Archetype and not as part of the RM or AOM. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 19 Mar 2018, at 15:55, Pablo Pazos <pablo.pa...@cabolabs.com> wrote: > > Hi Gerard, this is about th

Re: Should Duration class used in AOM 1.0.2 be ISO8601_DURATION from support specs?

2018-03-19 Thread GF
Again my thoughts Duration is not a Data Type in many computer languages. So we need to model it in an Archetype (Chairos) Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 19 Mar 2018, at 06:24, Pablo Pazos <pablo.pa...@cabolabs.com&

Re: Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-12 Thread GF
The scope of LOINC is NOT the same as the scope of SNOMED. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 12 Mar 2018, at 08:39, Mikael Nyström <mikael.nyst...@liu.se> wrote: > > Hi, > > I do that too. It seems like

Re: Setting thresholds

2018-03-02 Thread GF
that just one single Observation is not enough to safely diagnose the patient. More is needed than that. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 2 Mar 2018, at 17:29, Bakke, Silje Ljosland > <silje.ljosland.ba...@nasjonalikt.

Re: Setting thresholds

2018-03-02 Thread GF
process that indicates that the result is ‘normal’, ‘elevated’, ‘low’, ‘abnormal’, ‘risk of’, etc. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 2 Mar 2018, at 15:22, Karsten Hilbert <karsten.hilb...@gmx.net> wrote: > > On Fr

Re: Setting thresholds

2018-03-02 Thread GF
Imo Past data including past references are in the EHR. The present is elsewhere as a service in the EHR-system. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 2 Mar 2018, at 09:47, Diego Boscá <yamp...@gmail.com> wrote: > >

Re: Setting thresholds

2018-03-02 Thread GF
Thomas, yes, agree. But we need more ontologies informing archetypes, classifications and /terminologies about other topics such as defined in the ISO Continuity of Care standard, … Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 1 Mar 2

Re: Setting thresholds

2018-03-01 Thread GF
-ID, Low value plus units, High value plus units, date of publication. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl > On 01 Mar 2018, at 15:33, Thomas Beale <thomas.be...@openehr.org> wrote: > > > On 01/03/2018 11:05, Seref Arikan wrote: >> Hi Diego, >> >>

Re: Setting thresholds

2018-03-01 Thread GF
as well, then archetypes need to be able to store next to the datapoint the reference ranges as occured at the time of committing. The additional services, most likely, will be part of the system, under the application control. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl > On 01 Mar 2018, at 12

Re: Setting thresholds

2018-02-28 Thread GF
Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 28 Feb 2018, at 14:42, Seref Arikan <serefari...@kurumsalteknoloji.com> > wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > The original question is talking about 'threshold's changing in

Re: Setting thresholds

2018-02-28 Thread GF
Attached to each numerical value one needs several ranges that apply to the value. - normal value for a defined population - other signalling ranges Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 28 Feb 2018, at 13:18, Jussara Macedo Rötz

Re: Creating a terminology

2018-02-22 Thread GF
Hi, It was designed using MindMap. There is a version that expresses it as a set of archetype patterns based on AOL 1.4, using an other modelling style that OpenEHR is using. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 22 Feb 2018, at

Re: Templates for application form development

2018-02-20 Thread GF
Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 19 Feb 2018, at 12:07, Thomas Beale <thomas.be...@openehr.org> wrote: > > > note that a key problem I want to address is that templates based on > COMPOSITIONs do

Re: Templates for application form development

2018-02-20 Thread GF
Hi, There is NO need for an other RM. Templates (imo) describe an interface. Templates for an interface used for display only need annotations in the appropriate nodes of the Display Archetype Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands

Re: Templates for application form development

2018-02-19 Thread GF
Is there a terminology with concepts we can use to annotate? Probably there is and there are more. Which one, will be the question. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 19 Feb 2018, at 07:00, Erik Sundvall <erik.sundv...@

Re: Templates for application form development

2018-02-18 Thread GF
Is it an idea to annotate nodes with instructions for display. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 18 Feb 2018, at 15:16, Erik Sundvall <erik.sundv...@liu.se> wrote: > > This is an Interesting topic! > >

Re: HRe: openEHR REST APIs - Release 0.9.0 / invitation for ,

2018-02-17 Thread GF
search engines in the SNOMED Terminology domain. CIMI has adopted this fines, sharp divide between the worlds of Archetypes and Terminology. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 17 Feb 2018, at 08:57, A Verhees <ber

Re: Archetype pattern

2018-02-17 Thread GF
I agree that the different kinds of ‘templates’ show up in different parts of the RM. But we need to think more. All are ‘patterns’ of different kinds. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 16 Feb 2018, at 12:41, Thomas Be

Re: Archetype pattern

2018-02-16 Thread GF
templates and specific clinical models. Each consists of a limited and manageable set of patterns. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 16 Feb 2018, at 00:20, Heather Leslie > <heather.les...@oceanhealthsystems.com> wr

Re: Quantities of arbitrary units in openEHR

2018-01-27 Thread GF
must have bounderies. I fear that the SNOMED world is without a well defined scope. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 26 Jan 2018, at 10:00, Thomas Beale <thomas.be...@openehr.org> wrote: > > The thing

Re: Quantities of arbitrary units in openEHR

2018-01-26 Thread GF
Ia gree with Diago. UCUM basicly is a terminological system. GF Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 26 Jan 2018, at 09:41, Diego Boscá <yamp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think there are several pot

Re: UCUM

2017-11-19 Thread GF
Lesson: - One is at risk when relying on one single source; one single point of failure. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 19 Nov 2017, at 09:37, Bert Verhees <bert.verh...@rosa.nl> wrote: > > On 19-11-17 09:3

Re: Blockchain

2017-11-15 Thread GF
Bert, I’m very sorry. What I wrote I found it at their summary (page 8) of the NICTIZ document. Of course it is my selection from that text. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl > On 16 Nov 2017, at 00:53, Bert Verhees <bert.verh...@rosa.nl> wrote: > > Dear Gerard, N

Re: Blockchain

2017-11-15 Thread GF
ks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 16 Nov 2017, at 00:02, GF <gf...@luna.nl> wrote: > > Hi, > > > A blockchain[1] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain#cite_note-te20151031-1>[2] > <https

Re: Blockchain

2017-11-15 Thread GF
nt “proven technology" Het kan zeker nog niet worden ingezet voor vervanging van de huidige “proven technology” in de zorg - It is in the hype-phase. - Many of the potential advantages will have to be proven. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Nethe

Re: Blockchain

2017-11-14 Thread GF
In other words: What is BlockChain solving? My answer: it solves non-repuduation without a third trusted party. Correct? GF Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 14 Nov 2017, at 17:31, Pieter Bos <pieter@nedap.com&

Re: Blockchain

2017-11-13 Thread GF
see below. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl > On 13 Nov 2017, at 13:17, Bert Verhees <bert.verh...@rosa.nl> wrote: > > Not very far from now (looking into the future, Scotty and Captain Kirk), > health information will be a worldwide web. > Mayor players are divi

Re: Blockchain

2017-11-13 Thread GF
What problem is BlockChain solving, that deployed technologies can not solve? Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl > On 13 Nov 2017, at 12:46, Bert Verhees <bert.verh...@rosa.nl> wrote: > > How are the plans about blockchain for OpenEhr? Is there any plan to

Re: Scenarios for change type "deleted"

2017-11-07 Thread GF
. Reality, technology, choices made in the past, will never change in the sense that all data can physically be removed. At best it is removed logically and locally, meaning it is not allowed to play a role in the provision of healthcare in the future. That is and stays my opinion. GF Gerard Freriks

Re: Scenarios for change type "deleted"

2017-11-07 Thread GF
Always it is possible to cheat whatever. But it nneds a criminal mindset to do just that. what one is not supposed to do. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 7 Nov 2017, at 17:25, Karsten Hilbert <karsten.hilb...@gmx.net&

Re: Scenarios for change type "deleted"

2017-11-07 Thread GF
Restricting the reading, and processing, for use outside the provision of healthcare or labelling it as restricted NOT for use in healthcare are two alternatives for ‘Logical Deleting’. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 7

Re: Scenarios for change type "deleted"

2017-11-07 Thread GF
- In-active means that the data can NOT be used for the provision of Health Care; it can be used for administrative or legal purposes. Logging is one of the legal/administrative needs. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 6 Nov 2

Re: Scenarios for change type "deleted"

2017-11-06 Thread GF
gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 6 Nov 2017, at 11:43, Karsten Hilbert <karsten.hilb...@gmx.net> wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 06, 2017 at 11:38:23AM +0100, GF wrote: > >> 2- Physical deletion is NOT ... > > ... easy and often

Re: Scenarios for change type "deleted"

2017-11-04 Thread GF
(Health) Data never must be physically deleted. Facts happen and are recorded. But not always readable. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 4 Nov 2017, at 21:38, Bert Verhees <bert.verh...@rosa.nl> wrote: > > But

Re: Scenarios for change type "deleted"

2017-11-04 Thread GF
as ;inactive’ or the that the reading and writing rights are for the patient only. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 4 Nov 2017, at 21:17, Bert Verhees <bert.verh...@rosa.nl> wrote: > > Gérard, I think you are w

Re: Scenarios for change type "deleted"

2017-11-04 Thread GF
’ (for health purposes. Remember: Even when the patient has left the author (HcP) has administrative and legal responsabilities. He is accountable for many years because fo actions taken. He needs to be able to defend himself. GF Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801

Re: Scenarios for change type "deleted"

2017-11-04 Thread GF
Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 3 Nov 2017, at 13:49, Thomas Beale <thomas.be...@openehr.org> wrote: > > It's potentially not a completely wrong idea: it might be worth thinking > about a 'deleted' marker on the VERSIONED_

Re: Questionnaires

2017-07-06 Thread GF
+31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 6 Jul 2017, at 06:40, Heather Leslie > <heather.les...@oceanhealthsystems.com> wrote: > > Hi Pablo, > > From my POV the critical words in your email are “(defined on templates)”.

Re: openEHR-technical Digest, Vol 64, Issue 6

2017-06-07 Thread GF
an observable property? I think not. It is an aggregate, an evaluation. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 6 Jun 2017, at 19:34, Bakke, Silje Ljosland > <silje.ljosland.ba...@nasjonalikt.no> wrote: > > I agree

Re: openEHR-technical Digest, Vol 64, Issue 6

2017-06-06 Thread GF
be possible to create one pattern that can deal with all kinds. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 6 Jun 2017, at 14:46, Vebjørn Arntzen <varnt...@ous-hf.no> wrote: > > Hi all > > To me a "questionnaire&quo

Re: openEHR-technical Digest, Vol 64, Issue 6

2017-06-05 Thread GF
Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 5 Jun 2017, at 10:48, William Goossen <wgoos...@results4care.nl> wrote: > > Hi Heather, > > the key difference is that the assessment scales have a scientific

Re: Questionnaires

2017-06-05 Thread GF
to an external source. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 5 Jun 2017, at 07:59, Grahame Grieve <grah...@healthintersections.com.au> > wrote: > > hi Heather > > > A generic question/answer pattern is next to

Re: openEHR-technical Digest, Vol 64, Issue 4

2017-06-05 Thread GF
Why? What are the arguments? Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 5 Jun 2017, at 08:44, William Goossen <wgoos...@results4care.nl> wrote: > > The examples given as Glasgow Coma Scale and Barthel index

Re: Reports - a new openEHR RM type?

2017-05-31 Thread GF
(present/ not present). Semi-Qualitative results need, inclusion/exclusion criteria and a definition of what the norm/population is is about (females, children, etc.) Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl > On 31 May 2017, at 06:54, Pablo Pazos <pablo.pa...@cabolabs.com> wrote: >

Re: RM Participations name/role?

2016-11-25 Thread GF
Silje, It may be true that it is sufficient for your use case. In principle there are two methods to deal with information in the EHR: -1- In the COMPOSITION the data is referenced by a code/url because it is in a shared Repository -2- In the COMPOSITION all data needs to be made available

Re: RM Participations name/role?

2016-11-24 Thread GF
My understanding: Roles are characteristics of an entity (person, device) Functions are characteristics of a service/process I agree with David. The Statement (ENTRY) defines who is involved in that statement. Problem: A Statement is the documented result of a process (Observing,

Re: More generic reference model

2016-09-12 Thread GF
Thomar, I know of the SOLOR project where SNOMED is harmonised with LOINC and RxNorm http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=CIMI_Quality_Modeling_Collaboration http://www.healthcare-informatics.com/blogs/david-raths/interoperability/can-solor-snomed-loinc-rxnorm-project-create-terminology

Re: More generic reference model

2016-09-03 Thread GF
Thomas, I agree. In the Semantic Stack various layers are orthogonal and intersect. The intersection between SNOMED Reference Terminologies and structures (archetypes) is exactly at the righthand side of the ‘is’ relation. Codes from SNOMED are ‘universals’, meaning definitions, like entries in