Re: [PHP-DEV] Apache 2 support

On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 10:06:42PM -0600, Venkat Raghavan wrote: > Hi. I'm trying to build the PHP interface to Apache 2 (still mod_php, I > guess). I see an apache2 directory that is empty and an apache2filter > directory. The Readme in the latter says that it "exploits the layered > I/O support

Re: [PHP-DEV] Funny message

Hey, I am a transplanted Canadian Danish Latin Eskimo living in California and even I know that this obviously means double-colon... -Rasmus On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Michael Stolovitzsky wrote: > Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM in [...] > > With all due respect to Hebrew

Re: [PHP-DEV] Funny message

On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Michael Stolovitzsky wrote: > Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM in [...] > > With all due respect to Hebrew humour, am I the only one who thinks that the > above line is confusing to non-Israeli? ;) I thought it was common knowlegde that this mea

Re: [PHP-DEV] socket_select() problems?

Just to clarify the "horrible" interface. Yes, it could have been written differently, though I did not want to drift to far from the C API semantics(which I believe are perfectly fine). I posted the API rewrite agenda(which made it into 4.2.0), several updates, examples,and answered questions qui

Re: [PHP-DEV] Error with pspell

No, I'm not adding slashes, but somewhere something adding slashes. I'm using a form with some fields, lets call one of the XYZ and it's those that I want to be spellchecked. So i send them to a function I've made for spellchecking $_POST['XYZ'].. Now if $_POST['XYZ'] = I'm having some problems

[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 /ext/gd config.m4

Jani Taskinen wrote: > sniper Mon Jun 3 21:13:01 2002 EDT > > Modified files: > /php4/ext/gdconfig.m4 > Log: > - Made the bundled libgd actually work. Fixed bug: #17244 sb@wopr-mobile:/usr/src/php4> make /bin/sh libtool --silent --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_

Re: [PHP-DEV] socket_select() problems?

On Mon, 2002-06-03 at 23:07, Jason Greene wrote: > That is the most common mistake when using select() (Arguments are > value-result) I think this motivated the different behavior of the > poll() call. > > There probably should be a large blurb in the docs to help out with this > one. I just not

Re: [PHP-DEV] socket_select() problems?

That is the most common mistake when using select() (Arguments are value-result) I think this motivated the different behavior of the poll() call. There probably should be a large blurb in the docs to help out with this one. -Jason On Sun, 2002-06-02 at 09:33, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > Yeah, I g

[PHP-DEV] Apache 2 support

Hi. I'm trying to build the PHP interface to Apache 2 (still mod_php, I guess). I see an apache2 directory that is empty and an apache2filter directory. The Readme in the latter says that it "exploits the layered I/O support in Apache 2.0". Do I need to just build the latter or am I missing someth

Re: [PHP-DEV] WHAT is PHP's vision????

Well, quite an interesting thread, with many side points. My two cents below, with some side threads of their own. ;-/ Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > Of course not. But currently the image for PHP is that it's ONLY > > meant for web scripting. Even as it can be used in various other > > pl

Re: [PHP-DEV] Its time for PHP to grow up

Michael Dransfield wrote: > I believe that companies will be more than willing to pay whatever you > can think of for the enterprise benefits like clustering SRM etc... > These packages could be packaged into an enterprise product, without > referencing the components individually. Then addin

Re: [PHP-DEV] Its time for PHP to grow up

> I dont mind heading/hosting of such a project. I have lots of ideas of how > to promote PHP, for example, why does nobody approach universities to push > them to include PHP in their courses? Java is learnt in university these > days, why not PHP?? Many universities do. Some of us have even

Re: [PHP-DEV] Referrences

Markus Fischer wrote: > On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 10:29:19AM +0300, Michael Stolovitzsky wrote : >> If I understand correctly, given $bar is an object >> >> $foo = $bar >> >> will copy entire contents of $bar into foo. Following question: what >> happens with $foo = new Foo? Does the object get c

[PHP-DEV] Its time for PHP to grow up

I have been watching your discussions regarding xml, PHP's OO support, PHP's readiness for the enterprise. I personally started using PHP NOT because of its ease of use, NOT because of the powerfulness of the language... but 1. Because it is free, and 2. because of the wide availability of sup

Re: [PHP-DEV] Error with pspell

Actually, I did not understand your original email, I guess. Sorry. If you check a word with a ' character in it, php will pass it unchanged to the pspell library. No backslashes inserted. If you are getting a backslash inserted there, please check your code and see what you are passing to psp

[PHP-DEV] Funny message

Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM in [...] With all due respect to Hebrew humour, am I the only one who thinks that the above line is confusing to non-Israeli? ;) -- - Michael -- PHP Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Error with pspell

Ok.. But can't this be overruled somehow in the extension to trick pspell to think it's just I've instead of I\'ve? On Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:24:16 -0700 Vlad Krupin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe you would have to complain to Kevin Atkinson about that > (author of pspell), but I think he

[PHP-DEV] Are the tests supposed to work?

ext/standard/tests/aggregation/aggregate.phpt calls "aggregate()" and I don't see that documented anywhere. It fails saying that it doesn't exist. (4.2.1) Fab.

[PHP-DEV] Re: PHP_4_2_0 (stable) branch broken on win32

fixed. harald "Edin Kadribasic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:<014201c20b04$d235a160$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Compile goes fine, but linker stops with: > >Creating library ..\Release_TS/php4ts.lib and object > ..\Release_TS/php4ts.exp COM.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved ex

Re: [PHP-DEV] --with-gd=php + sapi/cli = broken

http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=17244&edit=1 :) On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 09:15:05PM +0200, Sebastian Bergmann wrote : > ext/gd/libgd/gd_ss.lo: In function `gdImagePngToSink': > /usr/src/php4/ext/gd/libgd/gd_ss.c:23: undefined reference to > `gdImagePngCtx' > ext/gd/libgd/gd_ss.lo: In func

[PHP-DEV] Any chance of php_pear.dll?

Is there any chance of including php_pear into the latest snap at snaps.php.net ?? I know it is very beta... but id at least like to experiment on my windows machine I notice you have included dotnet stuff, but not your own Pleea ;) Mike -- PHP Development Mailing List

Re: [PHP-DEV] --with-gd=php + sapi/cli = broken

Yup, known. It is on the list of things to be fixed before 4.3. I think the problem is actually pretty simple. HAVE_LIBPNG is not making it into libgd from the configure stuff. Should be a simple fix for anybody interested. -Rasmus On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > ext/gd/libg

Re: [PHP-DEV] Error with pspell

I believe you would have to complain to Kevin Atkinson about that (author of pspell), but I think he has a good reason for doing it the way he did, so chances are it won't change. Anyway, not a PHP problem, AFAICS. Vlad Magnus M@ wrote: >Hi! > >I wrote a function that will spellcheck $var. >

[PHP-DEV] --with-gd=php + sapi/cli = broken

ext/gd/libgd/gd_ss.lo: In function `gdImagePngToSink': /usr/src/php4/ext/gd/libgd/gd_ss.c:23: undefined reference to `gdImagePngCtx' ext/gd/libgd/gd_ss.lo: In function `gdImageCreateFromPngSource': /usr/src/php4/ext/gd/libgd/gd_ss.c:33: undefined reference to `gdImageCreateFrom PngCtx' ext/gd/libg

Re: [PHP-DEV] WHAT is PHP's vision????

> Ultimately it is the job of the Core Developers to accept or decline patches, > as the end user you of course can choose to compile or not compile a module > you dislike. If you are diluding yourself into thinking that people will > voluntarily code what they are 'told' to code, they'll do what

Re: [PHP-DEV] WHAT is PHP's vision????

On June 3, 2002 01:47 pm, Ivan Ristic wrote: > > PHP is for the most part written by volunteers who contribute > > code/extensions > > > which are based on their needs or were solutions to the problems they've > > come > > > across when working with PHP. You cannot tell those people what to do, >

Re: [PHP-DEV] WHAT is PHP's vision????

> PHP is for the most part written by volunteers who contribute code/extensions > which are based on their needs or were solutions to the problems they've come > across when working with PHP. You cannot tell those people what to do, > certainly the PHP Core Developers can reject the patch, but tha

[PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's vision

Hey, I don't think we need a whole new vision for PHP. PHP's vision has always been "to be the best web scripting language out there with a focus on ease of use". I think for most of us this hasn't changed. Sure it's cute that you can do other things with it but let's be realistic; the focus o

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

> Making PHP work a certain way because a specific platform doesn't have the > different items should not be a deciding factor. wrong. It's absolutely a major factor. Shane -- PHP Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] libxml bundling

> > I indeed like to see some proof that it is used so widely. You state that > XML is widely used, but I really think that this is only true for a small > part of the people who work with PHP. This does not mean I don't see value > in XML, it's certainly usefull... but that doesn't warrant b

[Fwd: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision]

I admit I haven't been following this thread closely, but I agree and don't think PHP should be trying to write a transaction system itself. I do think it should try to interface with existing systems tho so PHP can become the front-end for them. I have a good start on a Tuxedo interface (php-

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

> just look at the most known opensource web applications written in > php. how many of them are coded not using objects? > the ones that don't use objects are most likely coming from the old > php3 times, like phpmyadmin. > > so developers are eager to use oop features of php, despite the fact >

Re: [PHP-DEV] WHAT is PHP's vision????

On June 3, 2002 08:02 am, Ivan Ristic wrote: > ...very good example of how a lot of effort has been wasted with > multiple implementations of the same thing. The ability to choose > is a good thing but we do not have spare programming resources > to allow this. PHP is for the most part wr

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

At 17:52 3-6-2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] shared with all of us: >The Zend engine is pretty strong, except for OO things, as it was not >designed with that in mind. Now I don't think OO is clutter, it's quite >nice, but IMO there are other things more important (for example the 1178 >open bug reports)

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

At 03:27 PM 6/3/2002 +0300, Jani Taskinen wrote: >On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Andi Gutmans wrote: > > >> >the web but more for Enterprise transaction based applications such as > >> >billing systems. > >> > >> Twisting your words a bit: You don't think PHP should be used for such > >> tasks ?? > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

John, If your authentication class holds the passwords inside wouldn't running the 'strings' utility on the file reveal all the passwords even if the php script is Zend Encoded? Ilia On June 3, 2002 04:44 am, John Lim wrote: > Hi Sebastian, > > Unfortunately some people are paranoid about sec

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

On Mon, 2002-06-03 at 09:39, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > Jani Taskinen wrote: > > Currently, the bundled mysql is not been updated. (it's 3.23.39) > > Latest stable release is 3.23.49, AFAIK. > > I am told that Monty will see to it that Zak gets it updated before the > next release :-) Yep

Re: [PHP-DEV] changed behavior of shutdown-registered function in 4.0.x->4.1.x (conn. handling)

On Monday 03 June 2002 18:05, Joseph Tate wrote: > Please do not cross post. > > The register_shutdown_function bug has been open for quite some > time: See bug #15209 at http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=15209. I > work with the original poster, and have access to his patch that > seems to fix the

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

Zeev Suraski wrote: > Hmm, because he's bigger? :) I can live with that :) -- Sebastian Bergmann http://sebastian-bergmann.de/ http://phpOpenTracker.de/ Did I help you? Consider a gift: http://wishlist.sebastian-bergmann.de/ -- PHP Development Mailing List

RE: [PHP-DEV] changed behavior of shutdown-registered function in 4.0.x->4.1.x (conn. handling)

Please do not cross post. The register_shutdown_function bug has been open for quite some time: See bug #15209 at http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=15209. I work with the original poster, and have access to his patch that seems to fix the problem. I'm working on it today, and hopefully will have a

[PHP-DEV] changed behavior of shutdown-registered function in 4.0.x->4.1.x (conn. handling)

Hi, I use register_shutdown_function to regenerate my content-cache's data after the old page were sent. In 4.0.6 there was no problem with it, the connection was closed after the normal script is finished, and before the shutdown_registered function is started (which does the real work). So I

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, brad lafountain wrote: [...] > It's kinda frustrating to me, I like php alot and php defintly has the > potentional to be used for a wide virity of soultions. Then you guys are going > back and forth saying that OO design has a minimanl affect on the community and > that OO i

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

At 06:43 PM 6/3/2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: >Zeev Suraski wrote: > > Amen to that! > > Why does Kristian recieve an "Amen to that!" for saying the same things > I did? :-) Hmm, because he's bigger? :) Zeev -- PHP Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: ht

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

Zeev Suraski wrote: > Amen to that! Why does Kristian recieve an "Amen to that!" for saying the same things I did? :-) (Maybe the padavan should express himself more clearly.) -- Sebastian Bergmann http://sebastian-bergmann.de/ http://phpOpenTracker.de/ Did I help

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

Jani Taskinen wrote: > Currently, the bundled mysql is not been updated. (it's 3.23.39) > Latest stable release is 3.23.49, AFAIK. I am told that Monty will see to it that Zak gets it updated before the next release :-) -- Sebastian Bergmann http://sebastian-bergmann.de/

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, brad lafountain wrote: > > > I'm bother by the fact that you guys keep on saying Php isn't Java so > don't > > use lets not use private methods or interfaces. Java is Object Oriented. > Java > > didn't invent private methods, private members an

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: User-space functionality of apache2filter

At 17:04 3-6-2002, Aaron Bannert shared with all of us: >On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 01:27:11PM +0200, Melvyn Sopacua wrote: > > I've got a testserver setup, but can't put it in production, because of: > > a) the load thing - not too bad, but still > > b) breaking of the SIGS, meaning I can't restart

[PHP-DEV] Pb With SNMP under Linux (PHP 4.2.1)

I have a problem with SNMP. Under Windows (Windows XP + PHP 4.2.1 + UCD-SNMP 4.2.5 + Apache 1.3.24) it works fine : ex : snmpget("localhost", "public", ".1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.6.1"); returns "0:5:18:15:34:0". But under Linux (RedHat 7.2 + PHP 4.2.1 + UCD-SNMP 4.2.5 + Apache 1.3.24) it's strange

RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

> >(I wonder why none of them read this > >list and said that they want to make PHP Enterprise ready ...) > > You're kidding, right? (it doesn't mean that that's what we're going to > do). yeah :-) Well they seemed quite vocal at lasts php-conference about their "vision" and it would seem to be

RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

At 06:03 PM 6/3/2002, Lukas Smith wrote: >(I wonder why none of them read this >list and said that they want to make PHP Enterprise ready ...) You're kidding, right? (it doesn't mean that that's what we're going to do). Zeev -- PHP Development Mailing List To unsubscrib

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: User-space functionality of apache2filter

On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 01:27:11PM +0200, Melvyn Sopacua wrote: > I've got a testserver setup, but can't put it in production, because of: > a) the load thing - not too bad, but still > b) breaking of the SIGS, meaning I can't restart apache. Can you go in to more details here? What kind of load

RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

I think the people that you talk about dont check what people ask in newsgroups or mailinglists. These are the types of people that read some business mag to find the answers to their technical problems. And getting those business mags to write favourably about PHP is a totally different thing.

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

> > > PHP != Java. :) > I'm bother by the fact that you guys keep on saying Php isn't Java so don't > use lets not use private methods or interfaces. Java is Object Oriented. Java > didn't invent private methods, private members and all the other goodies that > go along with OO development

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

* Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > I find this argument not only > stupid, but extremely offensive. I don't want to offense those people out there that use PHP but don't know how to program at all. I only want to share my observations I've made in the last year(s). As already said, I don't have a solutio

RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

I agree 100% with Rasmus I also agree with what Björn said regarding roadmaps Best regards, Lukas Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ DybNet Internet Solutions GbR Reuchlinstr. 10-11 Gebäude 4 1.OG Raum 6 (4.1.6) 10553 Berlin Germany Tel. : +49 30 83 22 50 00 Fax : +49

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

I have heard this argument a couple of times now. It basically boils down to, "PHP is too easy to use which means that non-programmers end up writing bad code and this hurts PHP". I find this argument not only stupid, but extremely offensive. PHP enables people to bring their ideas to life even

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, brad lafountain wrote: > I'm bother by the fact that you guys keep on saying Php isn't Java so don't > use lets not use private methods or interfaces. Java is Object Oriented. Java > didn't invent private methods, private members and all the other goodies that > go along with

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

On Monday 03 June 2002 3:35 pm, brad lafountain wrote: > Now good OO design is the > best way to get good code re-use out of your time developing. In your opinion! In my opinion the best way is to think hard and design your stuff well. For this I don't need my language fattening up and slowing

Re: [PHP-DEV] WHAT is PHP's vision????

> Of course not. But currently the image for PHP is that it's ONLY > meant for web scripting. Even as it can be used in various other > places too. That has always been our position. "PHP focuses on the Web problem". That has been the design roadmap, if you will, from day one. >

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

Hi Jani, > Any examples? Is PHP too easy to use? :) > I find that hard swallow. It's one of the main features > why I am using PHP. Yep, but IMHO it's also one of its main 'bugs' in the sense of lacking its image. Web designer, Photoshoppers and every "allrounder" in small to mid-si

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

--- Edin Kadribasic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> And doesn't ZE2 address almost all of those OO related things? > > > > > > It does. Personally, I'm missing two things in Zend Engine 2.0: > > > interfaces and private methods. Both are not really critical, as they > > > don't aim at solvin

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

> >> And doesn't ZE2 address almost all of those OO related things? > > > > It does. Personally, I'm missing two things in Zend Engine 2.0: > > interfaces and private methods. Both are not really critical, as they > > don't aim at solving technical problems, but social ones during the > > desi

[PHP-DEV] CVS Account Request: mohgan73

education -- PHP Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Björn Schotte wrote: >Hi, > >* Jani Taskinen wrote: >> What do you mean with 'better release management' ? > >Extensions that get broken from one minor release to >another minor release is not a very good thing. That's a problem with the lack of proper QA. And als

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

At 04:28 PM 6/3/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> I am curious, besides some language quarks, like multidimentional > >> arrays, what sorts of things can you do in Java which can not be done > >> in PHP? > > > > I'm actually curious about the multidimensional arrays point. Exactly > > what do y

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: >Jani Taskinen wrote: >> Is something/someone preventing anyone from doing all this? > > Look at the discussion that followed the proposition of bundling > libxml/libxslt with PHP. Does bundling anything really solve any problems? Or does i

[PHP-DEV] PHP_4_2_0 (stable) branch broken on win32

Compile goes fine, but linker stops with: Creating library ..\Release_TS/php4ts.lib and object ..\Release_TS/php4ts.exp COM.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _php_COM_export_as_sink COM.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _php_COM_dispatch_init conversion.obj : error

Re: [PHP-DEV] WHAT is PHP's vision????

On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: >I don't think a dictator is needed. Even if I or someone else was to I did not mean 'dictator' to be one person but an elected group of people who decides what goes in what doesn't. >dictate that PHP was a web-only scripting language, do you r

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

>> I am curious, besides some language quarks, like multidimentional >> arrays, what sorts of things can you do in Java which can not be done >> in PHP? > > I'm actually curious about the multidimensional arrays point. Exactly > what do you mean? PHP can obviously do $a[1][2][3][4]... M

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

>> I am curious, besides some language quarks, like multidimentional >> arrays, what sorts of things can you do in Java which can not be done >> in PHP? > > I'm actually curious about the multidimensional arrays point. Exactly > what do you mean? PHP can obviously do $a[1][2][3][4]... M

Re: [PHP-DEV] Class autoload patch

If you are having problems with the attachment from my previous email, the patch is available for download here: http://www.webkreator.com/download/class_autoload.patch > I have written this small patch to support class autoloading. It > is written in the spirit of the unserialize callback (see

[PHP-DEV] Class autoload patch

I have written this small patch to support class autoloading. It is written in the spirit of the unserialize callback (see http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.unserialize.php) and uses the same callback function. Can someone with write access to CVS please commit the patch? I assume that this

[PHP-DEV] domxml memory issue diff

for those who had problems with the attachment you can grab it here: http://www.digarc.com/php_domxml.c.diff thanks rob -- PHP Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] WHAT is PHP's vision????

> Hmm, this sounds somewhat like "evolutional model" vs. "non-evolutional, > but perfectly planned". At least for me all evolutional development > attempts work much better. I need three, four versions until I've > reached production level, so there's nothing wrong for me even with > totally d

RE: [PHP-DEV] WHAT is PHP's vision????

I think it is not about a group of dictatos defining what the roadmap will look like, but more what the current active developers commit to for the next couple of months. The important bit is giving people a better idea of what to expect next so they can make a better decision if they are in doub

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Andi Gutmans wrote: >> >the web but more for Enterprise transaction based applications such as >> >billing systems. >> >> Twisting your words a bit: You don't think PHP should be used for such >> tasks ?? > >No I definitely don't. And in most cases I wouldn't use J2EE

[PHP-DEV] domxml memory issue

attached is a diff of php_domxml.c i have been working on. it is meant to allow the extension to synch up when sub trees which are freed by libxml (basically it was started to attempt to fix the set_content routine). thanks to Lukas Schroeder and Christian Stocker for answering my questions and t

Re: [PHP-DEV] WHAT is PHP's vision????

[oops, I sent the message before finishing it] > for other users of PHP. PHP has been really good in the past where > the effort was small enough for one person to handle or where people > organised themselves to work in a team. The whole XML/XMLRPC/SOAP > issue is a very good example of this.

Re: [PHP-DEV] WHAT is PHP's vision????

> I don't think a dictator is needed. Even if I or someone else was to > dictate that PHP was a web-only scripting language, do you really think > that people would stop working on and using PHP for other things? The point of a plan/dictator is to provide a sense of direction. Some people wi

Re: [PHP-DEV] WHAT is PHP's vision????

I believe that the following would greately benefit PHP: * Devise a kind of formalised process to document problems, new requirements, areas where PHP can be improved, decisions, projects, so on and so on. * Support this process with a collaborative web site where people would be able

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: User-space functionality of apache2filter

At 12:49 3-6-2002, Daniel BODEA shared with all of us: >I use apache2filter in production myself so it's really not a deployment >problem at all. I think the previous discussion was referring to the time >needed to gather a critical mass of production installations in order to get >a substantial

[PHP-DEV] Problems with memory limit code and memory leaks in scripts

Hello all, While working on one of our projects i stumbled on what i think is a problem in the Zend engine regarding the memory limit code. On some scripts the server reported memexhausts when the site had heavy traffic. I wrote a PHP extension that can return a script's memory usage at any t

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: User-space functionality of apache2filter

> On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 11:33:08AM -0700, Aaron Bannert wrote: > > I really wish people would stop quoting artificial dates for when the > > apache2filter will magically become stable, and just start using it > > and identifying problems. A few of us have put some great effort into > > making it

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision (was: libxml bundling)

At 12:28 PM 6/3/2002, Kristian Koehntopp wrote: >I think that PHP should be only as "newbie hostile" as security >dictates (register_globals off and similar stuff). It should be >as convenient and easy to use as possible. > >It should also provide hooks and means to reconfigure it >manually for th

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 04:44:05PM +0800, John Lim wrote: > We might not want people to fiddle around with the internals of a class, > for example an authentication class which holds the passwords of users. > Even if the whole web site is Zend Encoded, doing a var_dump on $GLOBALS > will reveal a

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 02:38:50PM +0800, John Lim wrote: > Let me explain. I'm developing extranets with PHP and occasionally I get a > checklist of required features from a customer. Features such as: > > - clustering, > - management of server farms, > - transparent fail-over, > - load bala

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Melvyn Sopacua wrote: > At 10:18 3-6-2002, Markus Fischer shared with all of us: > > >This is true, but ... there is absolutely _nothing_ we can do > > about it. The QA Team is, well .. sometimes I get the > > impression it's only one person! > > Derick had a goo

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision (was: libxml bundling)

On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 12:17:34AM +0300, Zeev Suraski wrote: > >The ease of PHP - one of its biggest advantages is also > >one of its biggest disadvantages. IMHO. > > Do you mind elaborating on that?? > > I think we should hash out this issue as soon as possible, > because if people have a visi

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

John, Whether we end up having private methods or not, it's way beyond their scope to address the issue of security, and protecting data from someone who has access to their code. It's always possible to work around that level of 'security', whether it's in C++, Java or any other language.

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

At 10:18 3-6-2002, Markus Fischer shared with all of us: >This is true, but ... there is absolutely _nothing_ we can do > about it. The QA Team is, well .. sometimes I get the > impression it's only one person! Derick had a good thing going, when he emailed people who reported proble

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

At 09:48 AM 6/3/2002, Björn Schotte wrote: > > >more complexity to the language itself. > > Why would making PHP more complex be a good thing? > >Because not every web designer and semi-programmer could >then work with PHP - this lacks the image of PHP. ("PHP >ist only good for guestbooks and

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

Hi Sebastian, Unfortunately some people are paranoid about security. We might not want people to fiddle around with the internals of a class, for example an authentication class which holds the passwords of users. Even if the whole web site is Zend Encoded, doing a var_dump on $GLOBALS will rev

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 08:48:48AM +0200, Björn Schotte wrote : > Hi, > > * Jani Taskinen wrote: > > What do you mean with 'better release management' ? > > Extensions that get broken from one minor release to > another minor release is not a very good thing. This is true, but ... ther

Re: [PHP-DEV] Referrences

On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 10:29:19AM +0300, Michael Stolovitzsky wrote : > If I understand correctly, given $bar is an object > > $foo = $bar > > will copy entire contents of $bar into foo. Following question: what happens > with $foo = new Foo? Does the object get created, copied into $foo and

[PHP-DEV] Referrences

If I understand correctly, given $bar is an object $foo = $bar will copy entire contents of $bar into foo. Following question: what happens with $foo = new Foo? Does the object get created, copied into $foo and then destroyed, while the copy in $foo lives? In other words, is there a perform

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

Hi, > > And doesn't ZE2 address almost all of those OO related things? > > It does. Personally, I'm missing two things in Zend Engine 2.0: > interfaces and private methods. Both are not really critical, as they > don't aim at solving technical problems, but social ones during the > design