android app…).
Note that you just quoted me at the end. Maybe you just have to
click somewhere to avoid what is called «top posting» (posting a message
with the answer before the email where the question is).
Funny that you master quite complex systems with Docker and
don't know how to quote an
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Alexander Burger wrote:
>
> The 'repl' in the PicoLisp release has about the same security as an SSH
> session (if it is used via an SSL session). With the standard role and
> permission system, you have a good control about who is allowed to use
> it.
The idea h
Hi.
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Alexander Burger wrote:
> I didn't announce it much. I've never put it into a publicly accessible
> application or demo, for the obviously HUGE security reasons.
Just an idea I have to tell. I guess this idea I'll describe here is delicate
to implement and ti
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Jon Kleiser wrote:
>
> Thanks to suggestions from Christophe, I have
> re-structured the code,
And removed some trailing whitespace! (more to come (crossing fingers)).
> corrected some errors,
> and implemented a few new functions (more coming).
Some say OOP wil
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Jakob Eriksson wrote:
> Is it hard to implement minimalist version of minipicolisp in browser ?
> Like http://tryclj.com/ ?
Hi Mike.
There is EmuLisp, a JS implementation by Jon Kleiser.
It is not advertised much on the official PicoLisp website.
Jon wrote it as a
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Alexander Burger wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > If NIL doesn't exist at all, then why do you need to expose it? If
>> > you language exposes lists or strings then empty ones carry the same
>> > meaning.
>>
>> I don't want to expose it.
>> Sorry, maybe I wasn't clea
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Michel Pelletier
wrote:
>
> If NIL doesn't exist at all, then why do you need to expose it? If
> you language exposes lists or strings then empty ones carry the same
> meaning.
I don't want to expose it.
Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear enough.
In particular, I'd like
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Alexander Burger wrote:
>> Is there somewhere some info about "" being NIL?
>http://software-lab.de/doc/ref.html#nilSym
>http://software-lab.de/doc/ref.html#nilSym-io
Thanks. I knew about this links, I just wanted to know why.
>> The language I'm trying t
Hi all,
Is there somewhere some info about "" being NIL?
I'd like to know why, maybe with some historical hindsight,
and if there is a mean to trick the interpreter?
The language I'm trying to embed in PicoLisp would love to have
"" and NIL different !
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Hi,
`car` and `cdr` are ok but all the other combinations should point to:
http://software-lab.de/doc/refC.html#cXr
Also I didn't forget the thread about the docs that I started.
I may thank you and answer to all soonish.
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Dear list, some updates about my problem.
I eventually decided to do the things The Good Way.
Adding a shortcut to EmuLisp was a fun hack, almost a joke, but not a
good idea as:
1) It was not EmuLisp anymore.
2) I may need this export functionality with other platforms (read
PicoLisp implementatio
Le 7 août 2014 14:11, "Jon Kleiser" a écrit :
>
> I use the frame-based solution for doc lookup (index.html by me), here <
http://www.software-lab.de/doc/>,
I realised only a few months ago that these pages were Jon's work (or in
part?). Thanks for this. I'd be curious to have an historical point
Le 29 juil. 2014 10:40, a écrit :
>
> Why not redefine function Afficher?
> [...]
> Would that be an idea?
But this IS the idea I'm trying to explain!!!
The problem was to also redefine transient symbols, dynamically.
chri
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Tomas Hlavaty wrote:
>
> I can't make sense of what you are trying to achieve. Why do you want
> to use transient symbols? Why not use normal interned symbols? How
> does your use case differ? Do you have a simple example?
Suppose you embed a DSL in Picolisp,
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Tomas Hlavaty wrote:
> Hi Christophe,
>
No problem for Display, but "hello" should spontaneously have its value
changed to some XML containing the string "hello".
>
> in other words, you want to use the transient symbol "hello" as a
> variable? What is p
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Tomas Hlavaty wrote:
> Hi Christophe,
Hi. As I tried to explain in this sentence:
>> No problem for Display, but "hello" should spontaneously have its value
>> changed to some XML containing the string "hello".
I had no problem with functions (I used a simple «d
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Alexander Burger wrote:
> Hi Christophe,
Hi.
> Thinking about it (again), it occurs to me that this description in some
> way matches the behavior of _external_ symbols. These also may change
> their value (and properties) «spontaneously».
>
> Perhaps you can tak
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Alexander Burger wrote:
> I see. This is not possible, because the fetching of a symbol's value
> happens at the very lowest level of the interpreter (in fact it is only
> a single machine instruction), and can't be changed from the outside.
> And if you'd change t
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Alexander Burger wrote:
> Hi Christophe,
Hi Alex.
> Hmm, so is this the same as the localization does in PicoLisp?
Quite the same, except that we don't have a list of all messages to
translate. Any transient, even an unexpected one, should
«spontaneously» have
Hi,
The technical/dry question:
Is it possible to shortcut the value resolution of transient
symbols with a custom function? Something like:
(de shortcut_transient (name)
(pack name "!"))
This would add a "!" to the default value of a transient sym.
If I had to answer, I'd say «no», but PicoLisp
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Alexander Burger wrote:
> Hi Christophe,
Hi Alex, thanks for this prompt answer.
>> # In order to call with the default args and then the particular args,
>> # decided to use apply:
>> (apply (quote text text-anchor "middle" font-size 24 x 120 y 99
>
> Yes, thi
Dear list,
I'm writing an .svg file from Picolisp.
For this, I'm using the xml lib Jon once started to write, a small lib
that was enhanced by others:
https://www.mail-archive.com/picolisp@software-lab.de/msg00510.html
Here is the content of my demo file:
(load "lib/xml.l")
# I have this next li
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Samuel Dennis Borlongan
wrote:
> Fixed.
> Now both
> ersatz/pil -javaVersion -bye
> and
> cd ersatz ; ./pil -javaVersion -bye ; cd ..
> work.
Almost. There is still a path separator issue.
In ./pil, it's -cp .:tmp:… instead of -cp .;tmp:…
Thanks for considering a
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Samuel Dennis Borlongan
wrote:
> How about now?
Sorry, `ersatz/pil` is OK, but `cd ersatz` then `./pil` is not
("ersatz/java/init" -- Read open error).
> (I blame Windows [path handling weirdness that allows syntax that doesn't
> work in non-Windows environments
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Samuel Dennis Borlongan
wrote:
> Not really.
> I've checked-in an updated version that works when ersatz/pil is invoked.
Thanks but still no luck:
$ ersatz/pil
[ersatz/java/java+.l:1] !? (load "@ersatz/java/init")
"@ersatz/java/init" -- Read open error
?
chri
Hi Samuel (and others reading!),
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 2:16 AM, Samuel Dennis Borlongan
wrote:
> You woud need to (load "@java/java+.l)" to load all the java
> interoperability functions.
Thanks.
> Question to the audience: should I then add said function to the ersatz
> launch script as part
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Samuel Dennis Borlongan
wrote:
> Try replacing the picolisp.jar file with the mainline jar.
>
> What I usually do is to call mkJar with the original jar, which then builds
> my version.
>
> The problem with my version of the jar is that I've been running Java 8
> s
Thanks.
I'm making progress, but I can't figure out how the interop files
in the java dir are loaded in Samuel's version. What I do for now
is to manually append the files to the `pil` call.
I'd like to understand and use the proper way !
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Samuel Dennis Borlongan
wrote:
> (javaImport org.nlogo.lite.InterfaceComponent)
>
> Note the lack of the space in the command javaImport. What may have happened
> is that the command (java) is invoke with the (null) parameters Import and
> org.nlogo.lite.Interface
Hi all,
I'm trying to play with NetLogo:
http://ccl.northwestern.edu/netlogo/
from Picolisp/Ersatz.
I managed to create a working .java with an empty NetLogo model,
but am stuck at translating this file to Picolisp. The .java is here:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24390853/expected-command-e
Hi,
Using Ersatz, the values returned by (rand) do not fit in
-2147483648 .. +2147483647, as specified in:
http://software-lab.de/doc/refR.html#rand
Am I missing something?
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On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Alexander Burger wrote:
>
> Oops, right! I used :{Only} (the markup for code) instead of !{Only)
> (markup for bold). Fixed it :)
Also: indentaion -> indentation
>> I saw your tweet yesterday and was amazed: 1986!
>> This is really huge. Call this mature.
>
> Wel
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Alexander Burger wrote:
>
> Hi all,
Hi abu.
> fyi, I wrote a little article
>http://picolisp.com/wiki/?prettyPrint
One remark: there is something weird near «Only indentaion, though,»
(color and typo).
One question: could you explain what the script you use i
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Joe Bogner wrote:
>
> I think the main difference is your Makefile
> Instead of:
>
> clang $*.c
>
> I'm doing this:
>
> $(CC) -w -c $*.c
>
> The -w suppresses warnings
Great. It works now. I fixed the warnings and didn't add the -w flag though
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Joe Bogner wrote:
>
> I was able to compile miniPicoLisp on windows under clang. I basically just
> replaced all instances of variable array initialization, such as:
>
> struct {any sym; any val;} bnd[length(x = car(expr))+3];
>
> with
>
> //TODO
> struct {any sym;
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Alexander Burger wrote:
> Hi Will,
> thanks for you long explanation!
Right, and thanks to all for this interesting journey in the internals.
> The problem with this is that is horribly inefficient.
I'm interested by a clang compatible version, just to see what
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Rick Lyman wrote:
> below are a few of the errors generated [compiling miniPicoLisp with
> emscripten]:
>
> flow.c:41:62: warning: '&&' within '||' [-Wlogical-op-parentheses]
>if (isNum(x = EVAL(x)) || isNil(x) || x == T || isCell(x) &&
> isNum(car(x)))
>
Hi,
Thanks for all your answers.
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Tomas Hlavaty wrote:
>> Now my question: how far could be pushed the idea to write a maximal
>> subset of Picolisp in a minimal subset of Picolisp?
>
> I have explored this in my Java implementation:
>
> $ git clone http://logand.
Hi,
I'm currently embedding a «pedagogical pseudo-code like language» in PicoLisp.
As using plain browsers is a nice thing to have in front of students,
I tried with
EmuLisp (PicoLisp in JS, by Jon Kleiser, that I won't thank enough, with Alex),
which proved to be a good solution for me.
So I had
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Alexander Burger wrote:
> Hi Christophe,
Hi Alex,
Thanks (again…) for your quick reply.
>> Say I have a PicoLisp script named tests.l. Is there a way to have an
>> exit code for:
>> pil -bye tests.l
>
> Yes, though the above would never reach "tests.l", because 'b
Hi,
Say I have a PicoLisp script named tests.l. Is there a way to have an
exit code for:
pil -bye tests.l
I couldn't find anything about this in the «invocation» section of the docs.
Thanks.
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On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Alexander Burger wrote:
>> 1) Regarding this snippet: (for ((I . N) 11 (not (= I 4)) (inc N)) (list I
>> N))
>> the official PicoLisp and ersatz 27 return (4 14),
>> but ersatz 29 (currently the most recent version) returns (3 13).
>
> Correct. This was fixed a wh
Hi all,
I'm currently playing with non mainstream PicoLisp versions (sorry for
that!) and found some issues.
1) Regarding this snippet: (for ((I . N) 11 (not (= I 4)) (inc N)) (list I N))
the official PicoLisp and ersatz 27 return (4 14),
but ersatz 29 (currently the most recent version) returns (
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Alexander Burger wrote:
>
> You could do
>
>(de alias ("Sym1" "Sym2")
> (set "Sym2" (val "Sym1"))
> (putl "Sym2" (getl "Sym1"))
> "Sym2" )
Indeed. This works fine (except for `set` that is not implemented in EmuLisp!).
>> The copy can be «by
Hi,
I'm embedding a language in PicoLisp and would like to have aliases
for certain commands. Is there a way to duplicate a symbol?
Like:
: (setq a "hello")
: (alias 'a 'b)
: b
-> "hello"
I'd like b to also have a's properties.
The copy can be «by value» or «by ref».
Both available separatly would
At http://software-lab.de/doc/ref.html#errors
In the last sentence «An arbitrary error can be thrown explicitly with quit.»
quit links to http://software-lab.de/doc/refC.html#quit
but should link to http://software-lab.de/doc/refQ.html#quit
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On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Alexander Burger wrote:
> Hi Christophe,
Hi Alex.
> I'm not sure if I exactly understand what your problem is, but let me
> try to explain a bit.
> …
I think I'm now OK with PicoLisp returning "read'able" transients.
But understanding the mechanism doesn't solve
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Thorsten Jolitz wrote:
> what about this (although no slash at all remains):
>
> ,---
> | : (pipe (out (prin "(This 'is (not) \"\\code\" ..)")) (setq X (read)))
> | -> (This 'is (not) "code" ..)
>
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Axel Svensson wrote:
> If you need to output something that isn't 'read' readable, then you're
> trying to output something that isn't lisp code. If that is the case, use
> the functions to output text rather than code.
>
> (prin "(This 'is (not) \"\\code\" ..)")
Hi,
I'm a long time fan of Picolisp but never went through the whole docs,
and never found a practical use for it, until today!
Well, I'm not using the real Picolisp but EmuLisp but I asked Jon and
in fact his Emulisp acts as the real Picolisp regarding my problem.
As you can see here:
http://pro
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Thorsten Jolitz wrote:
>
> BTW
> I just found out that there is an upper limit for book size (at
> Amazon some 870 pages or so) in self-publishing, so if I include the
> function reference (some 200 pages) and the rosettacode examples (huge),
> what I really would
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Alexander Burger wrote:
>
> Well, I have all the solutions I posted so far in a single large source
> file ("rosettacode.l", 17194 lines as of today).
Wa, this is quite a lot!!! Knowing it's one of the most concise, quite
a lot of tasks must have been solved!!! Do
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Alexander Burger wrote:
>
> don't find a match, the fourth one
>
>(be bigger (@x @y) (bigger @x @z) (bigger @z @y))
>
> will always match and recurse infinitely.
Is it because it always match or because to know if it would succeed,
it must test itself? Hence t
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Doug Snead wrote:
>
> Hmmm. Where do "alix" and "sw" originate? I do not understand that.
Sorry for the confusion, I was doing my tests with real names in my
family but thought afterwards I should use names that could be
understood by anybody. My handmade-search-
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Alexander Burger wrote:
>
> Yes. This is an infinite recursion.
Thanks Alex. That's nice and pedagogical from you to only give a hint
but I didn't find my way to a solution.
So it seems it's not a syntax problem, but a conceptual one. I thought
about @x and @y bein
wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 03:11:51PM +0200, Christophe Gragnic wrote:
>> A popup appears when clicking the «o-o» icon. For individual posts,
>
> Ah, thanks! It didn't occur to me that the chain symbol was a "link".
> Makes perfect sense, though.
>
>
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Alexander Burger wrote:
> Hi Christophe,
>
>> A suggestion for wiki URLs: don't change them but provide, as Google
>> does, a 'cleaned URL' to copy/paste on the page.
>
> This sounds indeed like a good idea! It could be put in some prominent
> place on each page. W
A suggestion for wiki URLs: don't change them but provide, as Google
does, a 'cleaned URL' to copy/paste on the page.
chri
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I can't wait finding picolisp runtime on the Android Market of course!
Less powerful but could bring eyes on picolisp: integrate it in SL4A.
http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/
Just an idea, doesn't seem brilliant, sorry.
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Hi there, I'm one of the silent listener ;)
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:44 AM, Thorsten wrote:
> I was a bit shocked to hear that somebody so skilled like Alex has
> difficulties to make a living based on PL - then what about me, a
> struggling beginner?
It makes me think about music. You can be a
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