Re: Redesigned Wiki is Live

2016-03-25 Thread Christophe Gragnic
On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Erik Gustafson wrote: > The general theme of the feedback was that there is too much text, > not enough super simple code examples […]. Indeed. I'm no PicoLisp expert but I don't know nothing either, and the first code example seems

Re: Redesigned Wiki is Live

2016-03-25 Thread Erik Gustafson
Hi all, Thanks for the feedback and kind words! I'll try to address all in this mail, starting with the common themes. Wiki Search --- I agree, everything about this is awkward. I'll play around with the CSS to address the aesthetic issues that Bene raised. Both the input bar and button

Re: Redesigned Wiki is Live

2016-03-25 Thread Joh-Tob Schäg
iss, however, and that’s the old > “section links” that used to be on the left hand side. I can now use the > search function to find the “sections”, but that is too cumbersome. I think > there should be quick links for at least these two: > > Articles & Essays http://picolisp.com/wi

Re: Redesigned Wiki is Live

2016-03-25 Thread Jon Kleiser
& Essays http://picolisp.com/wiki/?articles Examples http://picolisp.com/wiki/?examples When I search for “examples”, the long list of Search results makes the page header very high, high enough to contain all the search results. That’s not very elegant. I think the “searchGrp” div should be “floa

Re: Redesigned Wiki is Live

2016-03-25 Thread andreas
DevTools, I see a 404 Not found for "http://picolisp.com/wiki/wiki/css/typhography.css;, but I'm not sure where this one is linked in the page Loading Performance: - Nowadays, especially with the client-heavy "stylish" websites, the bottleneck is usually the R

Re: Redesigned Wiki is Live

2016-03-25 Thread Christophe Gragnic
On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 9:49 PM, wrote: > Please host the stylesheets on > picolisp.com instead of using tracking CDN.? I only see fonts (or infos about fonts + fonts) being retrieved from fonts.googleapis.com, no CSS, Although I may agree with this tracking defect, I guess

Re: Redesigned Wiki is Live

2016-03-25 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Hi List, > > I'm very excited to announce that the redesigned PicoLisp > wiki is now running on the server! Have a look: > >http://picolisp.com > > In my (slightly biased) opinion, PicoLisp has one of the > coolest programming language websites out there now. It's &g

Re: Redesigned Wiki is Live

2016-03-24 Thread Rick Hanson
I can't add any more to the discussion (especially beyond bene), but I still wanted to drop a line and say, thank you! It's a pleasure to browse the new-look site. All the best, --Rick. -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe

Re: Redesigned Wiki is Live

2016-03-24 Thread Vidyuth Kini
anything useful, like the definition or file it is defined in, etc... One has to find the picolisp ref page and the search in there. Is there a way to incorporate that so the the search dialog in the wiki could return the result. Thanks, Vid Sent from Outlook Mobile On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 8:44 AM

Redesigned Wiki is Live

2016-03-24 Thread Erik Gustafson
Hi List, I'm very excited to announce that the redesigned PicoLisp wiki is now running on the server! Have a look: http://picolisp.com In my (slightly biased) opinion, PicoLisp has one of the coolest programming language websites out there now. It's sleek and modern and should be very

Re: Extending the wiki markup syntax

2016-03-11 Thread pd
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Alexander Burger wrote: > Hi Erik, > > > be the right choice there. For the others, couldn't it expand into a > > 'class=' or 'id=' within the tag? So, > > > >x{myStyle > > /{This is the text} > >} > > > > would expand to, > >

Re: Extending the wiki markup syntax

2016-03-10 Thread Alexander Burger
gt; >${superFly > This text is /{super} fly! >} Another very good idea! :) > Anyway, the reason I ask about this... with such a mechanism, I could > (re)create the styled homepage entirely within the wiki structure. This Cool! > As far as implementation goes, we wo

Re: Extending the wiki markup syntax

2016-03-09 Thread Rick Hanson
On 09 Mar 2016, 19:53:22 +0100, Thorsten Jolitz wrote: > The gitrepo of my iOrg project can be found here: > > , > | https://github.com/tj64/iorg > ` Thorsten, thank you for reminding me of this project. It looks very nice! I wish I could check it

Re: Extending the wiki markup syntax

2016-03-09 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
Alexander Burger <a...@software-lab.de> writes: Hi Alex, Hi List, thanks for the cool tractatus and the as always very interesting views about wiki markup. I don't know if I should mention it, because it's in a raw state and I don't have much time to polish it now, but as you know ther

Re: Extending the wiki markup syntax

2016-03-09 Thread Erik Gustafson
'x'? > How about '$'? It's kind of an 'S' for "Style", and also the dollar sign might imply that you're putting some "Bling" on your document :D ${superFly This text is /{super} fly! } Anyway, the reason I ask about this... with such a mechanism, I could (re)create t

Re: Extending the wiki markup syntax

2016-03-09 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Erik, > I've been spending a lot of time with the wiki, working on the > new website (more on that in the coming weeks). Along the way, > I've found myself desiring a couple features. Notably, the > ability to attach arbitrary CSS to particular wiki documents. A good idea!

Extending the wiki markup syntax

2016-03-08 Thread Erik Gustafson
Hi list, I keep returning to this idea, so I thought I'd do a little write up and share it with you all. tldr: A thought experiment about extending the wiki markup syntax to inclued mechanisms for input forms and DB entity linkage. I've been spending a lot of time with the wiki, working

New article - Installing local wiki with Kerberos authentication

2015-04-14 Thread Mansur Mamkin
Hi all! I'm happy to announce a litle article: Installing local wiki with Kerberos authentication http://picolisp.com/wiki/?localwikikerberos Best regards, Mansur Mamkin -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe

Re: New article - Installing local wiki with Kerberos authentication

2015-04-14 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Interesting. Is the server a Windows server or Linux? On 14/04/15 14:19, Mansur Mamkin wrote: Hi all! I'm happy to announce a litle article: Installing local wiki with Kerberos authentication http://picolisp.com/wiki/?localwikikerberos Best regards, Mansur Mamkin -- UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: New article - Installing local wiki with Kerberos authentication

2015-04-14 Thread Rick Hanson
Very nice guide! Thanks, Mansur! On Tuesday, April 14, 2015, Mansur Mamkin mmam...@mail.ru wrote: Hi all! I'm happy to announce a litle article: Installing local wiki with Kerberos authentication http://picolisp.com/wiki/?localwikikerberos Best regards, Mansur Mamkin -- UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Wiki: Websockets with PicoLisp, 404

2015-02-03 Thread Henrik Sarvell
Yes it can, I just haven't gotten around to updating the links. Here is Jose's new bitbucket identity: https://bitbucket.org/iromero91/ On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Jon Kleiser jon.klei...@fsat.no wrote: Hi, Just want to mention that the wiki page http://picolisp.com/wiki/?Websockets

Wiki: Websockets with PicoLisp, 404

2015-02-02 Thread Jon Kleiser
Hi, Just want to mention that the wiki page http://picolisp.com/wiki/?Websockets contains a link to web.l's websocket demo https://bitbucket.org/cyborgar/web.l/src/default/webtest.l?at=default that now gives a 404. Does anybody know if this demo code can be found elsewhere? /Jon-- UNSUBSCRIBE

New wiki article about recursion in PicoLisp

2013-05-09 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
Hi List, FYI - I wrote an article about recursion in PicoLisp, which is more or less the output of my attempts to really understand 'recur' and 'recurse'. You can find it here: ,--- | http://picolisp.com/5000/!wiki?recurInPicoLisp

[FYI] picolisp-wiki-mode updated to version 1.0

2013-01-18 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
Hi List, FYI - I just pushed an updated version of picolisp-wiki-mode: ,- | git clone g...@github.com:tj64/picolisp-wiki-mode.git `- It's now version 1.0, since outline functionality fully

Re: Normalize PicoLisp Wiki Syntax

2012-11-25 Thread Alexander Burger
which end-tag belongs to which start-tag. I don't agree that it makes parsing easier. The parsing itself only involves the start pattern. Then the parsed data extends till the closing '}'. A regular expression with all its overhead is neither needed nor used in the wiki. The stream can simply

Re: Wiki recent changes

2012-11-25 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Joe and Jon, An important common feature of wikis is the ability to see recent changes. I briefly looked and didn't see it on the picolisp wiki. Did I miss it? If not, would it be much to add? I can attempt a patch or will gladly defer to someone else. Just a thought. Thanks

Re: Wiki recent changes

2012-11-25 Thread Alexander Burger
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:13:41AM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote: Is there a way to display or link the log of the Mercury repository in the Wiki? Seems I didn't notice the subject ... The _wiki_ changes are visible when go to http://wiki.picolisp.com and log in. Then click on Documents

Normalize PicoLisp Wiki Syntax

2012-11-24 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
Hi List, when writing the picolisp-wiki-mode for Emacs, I began to understand why mark-up syntax is usually symmetric, i.e. the end-tag looks like a 180° mapping of the start-tag (e.g. the JSP Scriplet % ... %). This makes parsing the file and constructing regexp much easier, because its

Re: Normalize PicoLisp Wiki Syntax

2012-11-24 Thread José Romero
On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 17:29:13 +0100 Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi List, when writing the picolisp-wiki-mode for Emacs, I began to understand why mark-up syntax is usually symmetric, i.e. the end-tag looks like a 180° mapping of the start-tag (e.g. the JSP Scriplet

Re: Normalize PicoLisp Wiki Syntax

2012-11-24 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
José Romero j...@2.71828.com.ar writes: It's not an improvement, and not worth it, imo. The current wiki syntax is pretty much a lightweight variant of TeX, Emacs can fontify TeX just fine, so the issue is in the emacs mode, not the syntax. It does look pretty ugly, I agree, and I wasn't sure

Re: Wiki recent changes

2012-11-24 Thread Jon Kleiser
An important common feature of wikis is the ability to see recent changes. I briefly looked and didn't see it on the picolisp wiki. Did I miss it? If not, would it be much to add? I can attempt a patch or will gladly defer to someone else. Just a thought. Thanks! I've been missing

Re: New PicoLisp-Wiki major mode for GNU Emacs

2012-09-01 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Awesome Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@googlemail.com skrev: Hi List, I just published a new GNU Emacs major mode for editing files with the PicoLisp-Wiki syntax. You can either clone the gitrepo or download the el file here: ,--- | https://github.com/tj64

Re: Bug in the wiki?

2012-02-29 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Mansur, Now I see another strange behaviour. My steps (CentOS 6.2 x64): ... Then I load http://wiki.mysite:5000 in Firefox, log in (admin:admin), navigate to Articles Essays in the left menu. I see New document 'Articles', This document doesn't exist yet. Seems ok. I press Create

Re: Bug in the wiki?

2012-02-29 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Mansur, What I see is that '+Doc object loses it's 'nm property after any try to edit. This is visible also in the maintenance gui: Name field is always resets to empty state with Document hint, when I tab to body field You are right! I can reproduce it. It was a bug in pil64: : (fold

Re: Bug in the wiki?

2012-02-29 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Mansur, On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:33:52AM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote: Please try once more, after downloading the new picoLisp.tgz. Sorry, but the fix this morning was not completely correct. So I had to upload yet another testing release. Cheers, - Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: Bug in the wiki?

2012-02-28 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi all, idForm -- Undefined ? While this was not really a bug in the Wiki, there _was_ another bug. José Romero triggered it unintentionally yesterday, and I could easily reproduce it. It crashed the Wiki when you tried to delete a Document (via the Delete button), because of a bug

Re: Bug in the wiki?

2012-02-28 Thread José Romero
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:01:31 +0100 Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hi Mansur, I've just installed fresh PL release and wiki from this link: http://software-lab.de/wiki.tgz OK, great. When I'm logged in and navigate to Role administration, I see this error

Re: Bug in the wiki?

2012-02-28 Thread Mansur Mamkin
cd /opt/picoLisp/src64 make picolisp cd /opt/picoLisp ./pil wiki/main.l -main -go + Then I load http://wiki.mysite:5000 in Firefox, log in (admin:admin), navigate to Articles Essays in the left menu. I see New document 'Articles', This document doesn't exist yet. Seems ok. I press Create

Wiki Change History (Was: Android Web Server)

2012-02-24 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Imran, More a comment on the wiki, rather than your Android article. I guess its a subjective choice as to where one files such things (articles vs examples vs ...). It would be great if the wiki had some kind of automatic changelog, where new additions edits to existing pages are listed

Re: Social Share Privacy buttons in the PicoLisp Wiki

2012-02-01 Thread Henrik Sarvell
in the PicoLisp Wiki. If they will generate increased interest in PicoLisp, that is very fine, but will we/you be able to say whether they do so? I'm more uneasy with all that JavaScript code that comes with those buttons, especially the 181.1 KB of jQuery (v1.4.2) that turns up in @lib

Re: Social Share Privacy buttons in the PicoLisp Wiki

2012-02-01 Thread Alexander Burger
Verlag to support these buttons in the future, possibly supporting other networks and/or features. Keeping in sync with that would involve even more work. I may not see the benefit of having those buttons at the bottom of every page in the PicoLisp Wiki. If they will generate increased The overhead

Re: float unwanted indentation in the wiki

2011-12-02 Thread Jon Kleiser
Hi Alex, On 12/1/11 5:44 PM, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi Jon, that's indeed interesting. I didn't dive deep enough into the layout details yet. Giving the headers a clear style is a good idea. I'll extend the call to '_render' headers to pass the clr class. My idea was to add this to

Re: float unwanted indentation in the wiki

2011-12-02 Thread Alexander Burger
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 10:20:28AM +0100, Jon Kleiser wrote: Yes, I'm also thinking of the reduced size of the generated HTML code. Good. So I've changed it according to your proposal. Cheers, - Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe

float unwanted indentation in the wiki

2011-12-01 Thread Jon Kleiser
Hi, I've discovered a layout imperfection in the PicoLisp wiki that has to do with the use of float in the css. I have made a static demo page that illustrates the problem, and also suggests solutions. It's here: http://folk.uio.no/jkleiser/pico/wiki-css/ Just ignore the menu to the left

Re: float unwanted indentation in the wiki

2011-12-01 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Jon, that's indeed interesting. I didn't dive deep enough into the layout details yet. Giving the headers a clear style is a good idea. I'll extend the call to '_render' headers to pass the clr class. Concerning the {1} markup: Wouldn't it be better to avoid using a new character, and

Re: float unwanted indentation in the wiki

2011-12-01 Thread Alexander Burger
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 05:44:52PM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote: Giving the headers a clear style is a good idea. I'll extend the call to '_render' headers to pass the clr class. Concerning the {1} markup: Wouldn't it be better to avoid using a new character, and instead let {-1} pass clr?

Re: float unwanted indentation in the wiki

2011-12-01 Thread Jon Kleiser
Hi Alex, I think {-1} is a very good choice. And it works! ;-) /Jon On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 05:44:52PM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote: Giving the headers a clear style is a good idea. I'll extend the call to '_render' headers to pass the clr class. Concerning the {1} markup: Wouldn't it be

Re: Announce: Wiki full-text search

2011-11-18 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Jon, When I tried it, I found an interesting article I hadn't seen before: Need for Speed. And I spotted a small typo: The are, however, not should probably be They are I leave it to you to correct it, as I don't want to steal your article. ;-) Thanks! I fixed it. No reason to

Re: Announce: Wiki full-text search

2011-11-18 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Jon, When I search for a short word like the, I get no search results. I The Wiki puts only words which have 4 characters or more (after folding) into the index, to avoid too much noise. guess there are too many matches to be of interest. Maybe a text like more than xxx matches could

Re: Quickstart Picolisp Wiki (was: The many uses of @)

2011-11-09 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Thorsten, While I was on it, I added a little Quickstart Picolisp Wiki section to the Help page, since the intended use of the wiki was not obvious for me at first sight - although it seems really easy, once you know what to do. I hope thats ok as an absolute beginners guide. Sure

Re: Rendering TeX and PDF in the Wiki

2011-08-01 Thread Jon Kleiser
Hi Alex, That's a very nice feature! The PDFs look great. (I haven't texted the TeX.) /Jon On 29-07-11 12:48 , Alexander Burger wrote: Hi all, the PicoLisp wiki at http://home.picolisp.com now also generates TeX and PDF documents! At the bottom of each HTML page appear two links, TeX

Rendering TeX and PDF in the Wiki

2011-07-29 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi all, the PicoLisp wiki at http://home.picolisp.com now also generates TeX and PDF documents! At the bottom of each HTML page appear two links, TeX and PDF, which - when clicked - render the current page first in LaTeX, and then perhaps in PDF. The intial reason: I was asked to produce a PDF

Re: Wiki: Using 'edit'

2011-07-28 Thread Christian Kellermann
* Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de [110728 08:15]: Hi Tomas, article about the 'edit' function: http://picolisp.com/5000/-2-1j.html brilliant, thank you! Now I just need to learn vi:-D .. or write an implementation for emacs :) you could either substitute the call to

Re: Wiki: Using 'edit'

2011-07-28 Thread Christian Kellermann
* Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de [110728 10:25]: Hi Christian, .. or write an implementation for emacs :) you could either substitute the call to emacsclient directly or when running under UNIX get $EDITOR and start that. Just setting EDITOR is not enough. An

Wiki: Using 'edit'

2011-07-27 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi all, under Documentation in the wiki, I wrote an In Detail article about the 'edit' function: http://picolisp.com/5000/-2-1j.html [On Browsing the Database or Arbitrary Data Structures and Definitions] Hope it is useful :) Cheers, - Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software

Re: Wiki: Using 'edit'

2011-07-27 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Hi Alex, article about the 'edit' function: http://picolisp.com/5000/-2-1j.html brilliant, thank you! Now I just need to learn vi:-D Tomas -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe

Re: How to launch local wiki?

2010-10-31 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi all, On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 09:36:06AM +0200, Jon Kleiser wrote: I would like to try the PicoLisp wiki code on my own machine, but I'm not sure what's the right way to launch it. Can the wiki Now I've put a bootstrap mechanism into the wiki startup. To get a local version of the wiki up

Re: How to launch local wiki?

2010-10-31 Thread Alexander Burger
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 09:58:00AM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote: A short explanation is in the Download page of picolisp.com. Oops, no, sorry! In the Documentation page of picolisp.com (near the end). -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picol...@software-lab.de?subject=unsubscribe

Re: wiki password

2010-10-28 Thread Alexander Burger
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 04:21:45PM -0400, David N Murray wrote: On Oct 27, Tomas Hlavaty scribed: not sure if I understand it well but it seems to me that your hash becomes the password. In other words, if I find out the hash, I can log in (e.g. using my own client). Yes, I

Re: wiki password

2010-10-28 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Hi Alex, yes, it's all about prevention;-) Storing plain text passwords is no prevention. But encrypting them creates only an illusion of safety. I didn't suggest encrypting them but using hash+salt! We should not waste our time on irrelevant issues. Whether passwords are encrypted

Re: wiki password

2010-10-28 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Hi Alex, I personally have bad experience with people storing passwords in plain text. Technically it might not be an issue (after all I think the wiki doesn't need passwords at all) but it is certainly one of those warning Thanks as ever for your input, but your argumentation is quite

Re: wiki password

2010-10-28 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Tomas, But encrypting them creates only an illusion of safety. I didn't suggest encrypting them but using hash+salt! Yes, of course. That's nitpicking. Please excuse that I didn't pay attention to the terminology. 1) the whole discussion about acknowledging that some data are more

Re: wiki password

2010-10-28 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Dave, It seems to have been lost somewhere along the way, but my original email indicated I use a one-way hash of the password (a la crypt(), but there Yes, I know. As Tomas already noticed, I mixed up encryption and hashing, though I'm well aware of the differences, and also used MD5 in my

Re: wiki password

2010-10-27 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Hi Alex, You see the advantage in the current case: After Javier forgot his password (and started this thread) I sent him his old password in an encrypted mail. This is a big flaw. You should not be able ever to find out his password. Cheers, Tomas -- UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: wiki password

2010-10-27 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Tomas, This is a big flaw. You should not be able ever to find out his password. Why not? Nobody could stop me anyway. I could trace the program during execution, for example, to get the passwords. Cheers, - Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picol...@software-lab.de?subject=unsubscribe

Re: wiki password

2010-10-27 Thread Edwin Eyan Moragas
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wro= te: Hi Tomas, This is a big flaw. =A0You should not be able ever to find out his password. Why not? Nobody could stop me anyway. I could trace the program during execution, for example, to get the passwords. oh

Re: wiki password

2010-10-27 Thread David N Murray
On Oct 27, Alexander Burger scribed: Why not? Nobody could stop me anyway. I could trace the program during execution, for example, to get the passwords. Pardon me for jumping in (short time lurker; reading the archives alot). In general, I've always designed systems with passwords stored

Re: wiki password

2010-10-27 Thread dexen deVries
Hello all, On Wednesday 27 October 2010 16:15:35 Dave wrote: (...) I encrypt the passwords in the browser (using the same algorithm) and always transmit an encrypted password. There's no place to peek. (...) I believe you mean `I take a hash of password and some salt in the browser and

Re: wiki password

2010-10-27 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
bad experience with people storing passwords in plain text. Technically it might not be an issue (after all I think the wiki doesn't need passwords at all) but it is certainly one of those warning signs telling me get ready for trouble with these guys (http://i.imgur.com/xZW77.png

Re: wiki password

2010-10-27 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Hi David, In general, I've always designed systems with passwords stored in a database as a one-way hash so that if the database gets compromised, you're not giving up users' passwords (it's a PITA to tell everyone to change their password). I encrypt the passwords in the browser (using the

Re: wiki password

2010-10-27 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Hi Alex, This is a big flaw. You should not be able ever to find out his password. Why not? I could trace the program during execution, for example, to get the passwords. in a sense you are doing exactly this. And your trace log of plain text passwords goes to the picolisp database.

Re: wiki password

2010-10-27 Thread Alexander Burger
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 08:50:51PM +0200, Tomas Hlavaty wrote: Nobody could stop me anyway. What do you mean? You are the provider of the service! I guess there is a missunderstanding somewhere. I mean as I'm the admin of that machine, I cannot be stopped to access the passwords. Even if

Re: wiki password

2010-10-27 Thread David N Murray
On Oct 27, Tomas Hlavaty scribed: not sure if I understand it well but it seems to me that your hash becomes the password. In other words, if I find out the hash, I can log in (e.g. using my own client). Yes, I suppose, but the only way I see you getting the hash is: a) steal the database

Re: wiki password

2010-10-27 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Tomas, If you use plain text passwords and somebody gets hold of the data, he has all those passwords available for all users instantly. If you don't Well - in a commercial application, not in the Wiki - if he gets hold of the data, then we don't need to worry about the passwords any more

Re: wiki password

2010-10-27 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Hi Alex, Nobody could stop me anyway. What do you mean? You are the provider of the service! I guess there is a missunderstanding somewhere. I mean as I'm the admin of that machine, I cannot be stopped to access the passwords. You are the provider of the service and as such users trust

Re: wiki password

2010-10-27 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Hi David, not sure if I understand it well but it seems to me that your hash becomes the password. In other words, if I find out the hash, I can log in (e.g. using my own client). Yes, I suppose, but the only way I see you getting the hash is: a) steal the database b) be a MITM over

Re: wiki password

2010-10-27 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Hi Alex, If you use plain text passwords and somebody gets hold of the data, he has all those passwords available for all users instantly. If you don't Well - in a commercial application, not in the Wiki - if he gets hold of the data, then we don't need to worry about the passwords any

Re: wiki password

2010-10-27 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Tomas, I personally have bad experience with people storing passwords in plain text. Technically it might not be an issue (after all I think the wiki doesn't need passwords at all) but it is certainly one of those warning Thanks as ever for your input, but your argumentation is quite

Re: wiki password

2010-10-27 Thread Mansur Mamkin
Hi all! I'm fully agree with Alex, in this active discussion about passwords they sometimes forget about data itself :) ... But here we were talking about storing plain text passwords in a protected database, which would get compromised only if the whole database got into evil hands, which

Re: wiki password

2010-10-27 Thread Alexander Burger
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:29:46PM +0200, Tomas Hlavaty wrote: Well - in a commercial application, not in the Wiki - if he gets hold of the data, then we don't need to worry about the passwords any more :-D yes, it's all about prevention;-) Storing plain text passwords is no prevention

Re: wiki password

2010-10-26 Thread Alexander Burger
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 12:18:45AM +0200, Javier wrote: Alex, please add a feature to reset the password, as I don't remember Thinking about it: What would be the best way? -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picol...@software-lab.de?subject=unsubscribe

Re: wiki password

2010-10-26 Thread dexen deVries
On Tuesday 26 October 2010 14:31:17 you wrote: On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 12:18:45AM +0200, Javier wrote: Alex, please add a feature to reset the password, as I don't remember Thinking about it: What would be the best way? A rather popular aggregator known as Hacker News is using manual

Re: wiki password

2010-10-26 Thread José Romero
El Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:31:17 +0200 Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de escribi=C3=B3: On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 12:18:45AM +0200, Javier wrote: Alex, please add a feature to reset the password, as I don't remember =20 Thinking about it: What would be the best way? Try this: 1. When the

Re: wiki password

2010-10-26 Thread José Romero
El Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:57:10 +0200 Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de escribi=C3=B3: Hi Jos=C3=A9, =20 1. When the user presses reset pass the button on a valid user, generate a random password. 2. Store it in a special field in the User object (rpass?) along with the date of which

Re: wiki password

2010-10-26 Thread José Romero
El Wed, 27 Oct 2010 01:00:38 +0800 Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com escribi=C3=B3: hi, =20 send 2 emails, the 1st informing that passwd reset is activated and a following email will contain the temp. passwd. =20 then send the passwd in the 2nd email. And if the 2nd email does not mention an acct

Re: wiki password

2010-10-26 Thread Tomas Hlavaty
Hi Alex, 1. When the user presses reset pass the button on a valid user, generate a random password. 2. Store it in a special field in the User object (rpass?) along with the date of which that random pass was generated (rdate?) 3. Send it to the user in an email like this: Subject:

Re: wiki password

2010-10-26 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Tomas, On the other hand, as far as I remember, the standard picolisp way of storing passwords in plain text and even sending them to the user editing dialog is even worse. No, this is not the case! The passwords do not go to the GUI, and never leave the server. Yes, they are stored in

Re: PicoLisp Wiki: The core language of PicoLisp

2010-10-12 Thread Jon Kleiser
Hi Alex, On 10/12/10 7:35 AM, Alexander Burger wrote: .. This Wiki article really needs to be completed. I'm a bit reluctant to touch it, because if I do, I feel I have to make sure the entire I was hoping that the original author danelliottster would react, but I notice that he already

Re: PicoLisp Wiki: The core language of PicoLisp

2010-10-12 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Jon, That's a possibility. I can't say exactly when, but something needs to be done quick. ;-) OK, I fixed the offending part ;-) I'm also not sure about the statement that 'if' is the most often used conditional. I feel that I'm using 'and'/'or' and 'when'/'unless' much more frequently

Re: PicoLisp Wiki: The core language of PicoLisp

2010-10-12 Thread Jon Kleiser
Hi Alex, On 10/12/10 9:51 AM, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi Jon, That's a possibility. I can't say exactly when, but something needs to be done quick. ;-) OK, I fixed the offending part ;-) Now it says The values are not bound to the variables one by one. It should probably have been The

Re: PicoLisp Wiki: The core language of PicoLisp

2010-10-12 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Jon, Now it says The values are not bound to the variables one by one. It should probably have been The values are bound to the variables one by one ...? Of course. Sorry! Confusion is growing ;-) Thanks, - Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picol...@software-lab.de?subject=unsubscribe

PicoLisp Wiki: The core language of PicoLisp

2010-10-11 Thread Jon Kleiser
Hi, In the not yet completed Wiki article The core language of PicoLisp http://picolisp.com/5000/-2-1L.html, there's a paragraph Declaring variables where I read (re. 'let') that The values are not bound to the variables until execution of the prg has begun, so this excludes using v1 to set

Re: PicoLisp Wiki: The core language of PicoLisp

2010-10-11 Thread Alexander Burger
simultaneously. This Wiki article really needs to be completed. I'm a bit reluctant to touch it, because if I do, I feel I have to make sure the entire I was hoping that the original author danelliottster would react, but I notice that he already unsubstribed from the mailing list. So he seems

Re: first swing at running local wiki

2010-08-12 Thread Edwin Eyan Moragas
. picoLisp.tgz file in some temporary space, and do the steps described in INSTALL? i did. still the same errors. (snip instructions for bootstrapping wiki) thank your for the instructions. the bootstrap was successful. i have a few minor errors but i was able to remove them (used the non

looks like solved (was Re: first swing at running local wiki)

2010-08-12 Thread Edwin Eyan Moragas
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hi Edwin, thank your for the instructions. the bootstrap was successful. i have Great! moving forward, i'm playing with some flags to diagnose the problem. the obsd guys game some hints that i can work with.

Re: looks like solved (was Re: first swing at running local wiki)

2010-08-12 Thread Edwin Eyan Moragas
Hi Alex, possible additions to the Makefile (INSTALL instructions sensitive) : # Clean up clean: rm -f *.o + rm -f ../lib/ht + rm -f ../lib/ext On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Edwin Eyan Moragas e...@yndy.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Alexander Burger

Re: looks like solved (was Re: first swing at running local wiki)

2010-08-12 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi Edwin, possible additions to the Makefile (INSTALL instructions sensitive) : # Clean up clean: rm -f *.o + rm -f ../lib/ht + rm -f ../lib/ext That's right. It is not absolutely necessary, though, as just removing '*.o' will trigger a complete rebuild anyway. If

Re: looks like solved (was Re: first swing at running local wiki)

2010-08-12 Thread Edwin Eyan Moragas
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wro= te: Hi Edwin, possible additions to the Makefile (INSTALL instructions sensitive) : =A0# Clean up =A0clean: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 rm -f *.o + =A0 =A0 =A0 rm -f ../lib/ht + =A0 =A0 =A0 rm -f ../lib/ext That's right. It

Re: first swing at running local wiki

2010-08-11 Thread Edwin Eyan Moragas
e...@obsddev $ ./dbg wiki/main.l lib/too.l -main wiki/init.l -go !? (ht:Pack @U) ht:Pack -- Undefined ? (bye) File not found the error is from dlerror(). i'm also posting to m...@openbsd for some clues. haven't dealt with dlopen() and friends before. :) i did another run. the buffer

Re: first swing at running local wiki

2010-08-11 Thread Alexander Burger
was successful? Are there any strange file permissions? Could you unpack a picoLisp.tgz file in some temporary space, and do the steps described in INSTALL? e...@obsddev $ ./dbg wiki/main.l lib/too.l -main wiki/init.l -go !? (id (car *WikiHome) (cdr *WikiHome)) NIL -- External symbol expected

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