On Feb 2, 2011, at 14:17, Alby wrote:
In short, I'm trying to be cheap about not having to pay for hosting
anymore and not having to upgrade to a Business Internet link that would
give me a static IP address.
NTP works with IP addresses, so no... The dns to IP indirection is what the
pool
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Hi,
I don't have any ideas for how to avoid this; but basically a crazy amount of
the SNTP clients sync just at the top of the hour; or close to it.
Below is a second by second query count on one of the busier DNS servers for
pool.ntp.org. The normal load is as it is just before the top of
it happen, but personally I don't have any time to build it.
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On May 16, 2011, at 16:14, Nicholas Suan wrote:
I took a look at the snort rule and it seems that any UDP traffic to
the IP address of that pool server is flagged.
Is anyone else seeing things like this?
It's been a while; but yes (for providing just about any service you can
reasonably
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https://github.com/abh/ntppool/issues?milestone=2state=open
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On Jun 3, 2011, at 6:53, Stefan Bethke wrote:
It's running a slightly older version of the code; but for getting your
servers registered it should be sufficiently up-to-date.
I've added 2001:470:1f0b:105e::1e1 (via HE tunnel), but the monitoring server
seems to be unable to query time
On Jun 3, 2011, at 4:32, Anssi Johansson wrote:
What do you think of adding NTP servers whose IPv6 connection is over 6to4 or
some other tunneling method? I believe those should not be used in the pool
as the connection to them may be unreliable and asymmetric. In any case, I
also added
On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:11, Arne Schwabe wrote:
On 03.06.2011 10:55, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote:
Hi everyone,
I think I'll be ready to test the IPv6 and new monitoring code over the
weekend or early next week. To not test it on the production system, please
add your servers (IPv4
to
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On Jun 3, 2011, at 7:29, Fabian Wenk wrote:
I do not know if the DNS of the pool can do such magic, but if the lookup is
coming from an 2002: IPv6 IP address, then it could eventually be a good idea
to give back a server with also an 2002: IP address.
It's all just a matter of programming
On Jun 4, 2011, at 5:19, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
- When I add a hostname, it only uses the IPv4 Adresse.
Patches welcome: https://github.com/abh/ntppool/issues/17
What behavior would you expect, anyway? It needs to chose whether
it takes the IPv4 address or the IPv6 address. So under what
On Jun 6, 2011, at 5:46, John Winters wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 04:03:42 -0700, Ask Bjørn Hansen a...@develooper.com
wrote:
The system running http://www.beta.grundclock.com/ is now monitoring the
IPv6 servers. If you added one, please have a look!
I'm currently seeing about every other
On Jun 6, 2011, at 11:55, Anssi Johansson wrote:
ip6tables on Linux doesn't seem to have state tracking and it appears I
messed up the firewall rules a bit. I realized it last night actually as I
was going to bed, but it was already crazy o'clock. I will get them fixed
within an hour
Everything but the graphs (and DNS) should now be working.
I'll work on DNS next; and last graphs.
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Hi everyone,
If you add 2.beta.grundclock.com to your ntpd.conf and you have IPv6 you will
likely get NTP over IPv6.
Let me know if you see any problems. If not I will likely deploy all this code
on the production system tonight or (more likely) early tomorrow morning.
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On Jun 7, 2011, at 1:38, Tim Bray wrote:
On 07/06/11 04:43, Anssi Johansson wrote:
My only concern at this time is that it's going to take about 18 hours to
get my IPv6 NTP servers' score from -9.8 to the acceptable score of 10.
There's still about 20.5 hours to go until June 8th 00:00
Hi everyone,
For those of you who added IPv6 addresses to the production pool:
How much IPv6 traffic do you see to your servers now compared to the IPv4
traffic?
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On Jun 10, 2011, at 3:20, Arne Schwabe wrote:
We have no monitoring but a short tcpdump says (Server bandwidth is set to
1000 Mbit):
390 Packets in 4:30 for IPv6 = 1,4 Packets per second
39783 Packets in 1:46 for IPv4 = 375 Packets per second
One thing to be careful with when doing
On Jun 11, 2011, at 16:58, Matt Nordhoff wrote:
port 32158
Gah, thanks. ip6tables and net.ipv4.ip_local_port_range were still disagreeing
by a few hundred port numbers.
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On Jun 11, 2011, at 16:58, Matt Nordhoff wrote:
My scores are still 20, though.
The monitor tries twice; so it'd only drop if it had bad luck to get one of the
~768 bad local ports twice in a row.
Anyway, fixed. Thanks again for the detailed report!
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On Jun 20, 2011, at 3:58, Shoppa, Tim wrote:
I notice that the interval on V4 graphs is 400 seconds (3 polls per
interval?) and on the IPV6 graphs is 80 seconds (3 polls per interval?).
v4 checks about every 25 minutes; v6 about every 15 currently.
Related: The pool system should know how
On Jun 22, 2011, at 12:08, Henk P. Penning wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011, David Lord wrote:
About once a month I was hit by turk-telecom which was about
12-15k requests in about 10-30 minutes but dns rotation must
allow for them so if same hits I no longer notice.
The new DNS system changed
On Jul 8, 2011, at 20:52, Kiss Gábor wrote:
Dear Ask,
I've just added two servers to the pool with 10 Gbps connection.
Maybe it is time to append 1 Mbit entry to connection speed
menus on page http://www.pool.ntp.org/manage/servers :-)
The net speed is mostly just a relative measure
On Jul 13, 2011, at 12:38, Hal Murray wrote:
Leap seconds works terribly in practice -- at least according to the pool
system monitoring during the last one. (And that's not even counting the
obvious problem of having two seconds with the same timestamp!).
The zone pages now include separate columns for the number of IPv4 and IPv6
servers:
http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone
The IPv6 servers are virtually all in Europe (~80%) and North America (~20%).
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Hi everyone,
To distribute the pool related systems a bit, I am hoping someone has a virtual
machine with both IPv4 and IPv6 available that we could use for monitoring the
pool systems (monitor the monitor and the DNS servers in particular).
What I'm looking for:
Stable server, ~1GB memory,
If you ban the monitoring IPs your banning logic is being way too aggressive.
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On Sep 13, 2011, at 13:28, Huckster i...@hws.ru wrote:
Sorry for my English. I want to ban flooders, but i don't want to ban the
monitor servers
On Oct 18, 2011, at 12:38, Chuck Swiger wrote:
2. Where, geographically are the monitoring servers located?
I believe the monitoring is located in California, CA. Ask would be able to
provide more specific details.
Yup, Los Angeles, CA. I'll probably add a second IPv6 monitoring node
servers which I hope is
a healthy rate vis-à-vis whatever growth we have in usage[1].
http://www.pool.ntp.org/zone
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As you maybe read a month ago we'll have another leap second at the end of
June. About 6 hours ago the GPS satellites started announcing it, too.
And if you have been following the proposal to abolish leap seconds[1], on
January 19th the ITU postponed that decision until 2015[2].
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[1]
On Jun 11, 2010, at 11:03, Folkert van Heusden wrote:
A week ago I graphed the NTP pool.
http://vanheusden.com/misc/blog/ntp/output.png
This graph is of all 6500 hosts in the pool, polled from the
Netherlands. Every 65 seconds I polled all hosts (well, 65.001 seconds to be
precise). The y
In the next week or two I am planning to enable a second monitoring system on
the beta pool - http://www.beta.grundclock.com/
If you want to help make sure it works okay, please sign up your servers there
if you haven't already: http://manage-beta.grundclock.com/ (you might also
want to
On May 9, 2012, at 17:44, Chuck Swiger wrote:
Please don't add machines which are behind a VPN tunnel to the NTP pool.
They will experience additional noisy delays as a consequence of the
VPN crypto which make them undesirable as timeservers.
Two reasons I don't think this is necessarily a
. Australia 60/4.
Canada 59/5. Even Japan are just at 21/3.
Most of the countries with less than a dozen IPv4 servers have zero, one or two
IPv6 servers.
As we get better coverage around the world, we can turn it on.
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On May 10, 2012, at 9:01, Rob Janssen wrote:
I expect that the lack of servers in certain countries will be compensated by
the lack of users in same countries.
I'm not concerned if the system has enough capacity to serve the clients, but
rather if there are enough servers to give a little
Hi everyone,
I get a slow but steady stream of questions and requests related to the NTP
Pool; most of which I'm really no better at answering than most of you who are
subscribed to this list. Instead then I can spend that time making the system
better.
This mail is to solicit 2 or 3
On May 27, 2012, at 22:44, Ask Bjørn Hansen a...@develooper.com wrote:
Reply to me off-list unless you have general questions. I'll update here
when I have a few volunteers. Thank you for reading this far!
Hi everyone,
I got enough volunteers now I think! I will write to everyone who
Hi everyone,
A little while ago our friends at Phyber - http://www.phyber.com/ - racked a
few more servers for us and installed RHEL 6 on them.Over the last months
I've been moving services to the newer boxes.
Today I moved the web frontend (previously just Varnish on one box) to two of
On Jun 2, 2012, at 22:21, Luke Militello l...@digitalenigma.net wrote:
Does anyone know if you can control multiple CI-V ICOM radios (via multiple
serial interfaces) from a single server for each of WWV/H and CHU?
This is a question better for the NTP newsgroup.
Ask
On Jun 11, 2012, at 19:29, Timothy Oefelein ntpp...@arpage.org wrote:
1) What kind of accuracy/precision loss occurs when you run ntpd on an
asymmetrical connection (e.g., DSL). I've read that ntpd makes the
assumption that your connection is symmetrical when calcuating the effects of
are in Europe or
in the eastern US.
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times a day, any server fitting the requirements is welcome. :-)
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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anycast
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On Jun 17, 2012, at 0:12, Kiss Gábor wrote:
Would you mind to check page http://www.pool.ntp.org/user/kissg ?
Thank you for having marked your profile public. I try not to put peoples IPs
and such on the list when we discuss things unless they've done so, and
obviously having specific cases
On Jun 17, 2012, at 12:44, Dave Hart wrote:
http://www.pool.ntp.org/user/davehart provides a contrarian view. The
timescales are different but the two addresses represent the same
host, located at ISC.
I think those graphs are mostly a victim of a few bad measurements on the
IPv4 server
Hi everyone,
We could use some more servers:
http://news.ntppool.org/2012/06/more-servers-please.html
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On Jun 22, 2012, at 16:35, Mark Karpeles wrote:
[...]
People in Japan are more likely to use ntp.nict.jp than pool.ntp.org (main
reason being that they don't know about the ntp pool, while NICT is a
government entity).
[...]
For information my server on the pool based in Japan currently
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Ask Bjørn Hansen a...@ntppool.org wrote:
On Jun 19, 2012, at 3:17, Christian 'wiwi' Wittenhorst wrote:
We might have a general problem with IPv6...
Indeed, annoyingly!
The NTP Pool servers have had 10-20% packetloss on IPv6 (works for a
while, stops
On Jun 24, 2012, at 2:18, Thomas Rieschl wrote:
Maybe someone could put that on the pool website? Something like a preferred
configuration info page for servers on the pool.
I think it makes most sense to have that information on the support.ntp.org
wiki and then link to it from the NTP
On Jun 25, 2012, at 9:33, Dave Hart wrote:
iburst affects initial startup, plus re-acquisition if a server was
unreachable.
For any default configuration iburst is a bad idea. If you care enough about
the time you can add it, but distributors shouldn't include it by default.
Is it smart
On Jun 25, 2012, at 5:55, Fabian Wenk wrote:
I also have a script which will report the unix time on the same systems
during the leap second. I am curios how this will look like, but probably the
system time is only corrected over a longer time period, without any
additional second (as
On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:07, AlbyVA wrote:
Time for the power's that be to double check the website code on new v6
submissions.
It's on my list, I will get to it in a few hours. I think it's one of the new
servers that was missing something. I just got the whole site running only on
the
On Jun 27, 2012, at 11:44, paul w mir...@websters-computers.com wrote:
I'm trying to track down what is wrong with my server, it can't get a score
above around 9 before getting knocked down again. This is on the ipv4 address
(38.109.218.175), but the ipv6 address is fine and gets a score of
On Jun 28, 2012, at 15:45, Nicolas Braud-Santoni wrote:
If it is being queried, I would suggest deprecation (and adding the
servers it contains to appropriate zones).
It's being queried 1000-1500 times an hour (estimated by looking at one DNS
server). This is out of 8-15 million DNS
On Jun 30, 2012, at 17:58, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote:
Looks like about 250 servers missed the leap second.
This query counts how many servers had an offset 100ms around one
second off. It was basically none yesterday, and 253 in the first
hour after the leap.
Compared to the last leap
for the tr
zone then I think the solution will be to just turn off access to the NTP
Pool from Turkey rather than having the requests fallback to the general europe
zone.
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On Friday, July 27, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Vasil Kolev wrote:
В 01:41 +0300 на 28.07.2012 (сб), Anssi Johansson написа:
..
Based on the same idea,
A repository + wiki on github for these tools would be useful.
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On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Charlie Came char...@charliecame.com wrote:
You can add my server to the .tr zone if you want:
Hostname: ntp.charliecame.com
IP: 87.98.254.133
Thanks Charlie, I've added yours and the others that have volunteered over the
last few days.
Hopefully it should
On Monday, July 30, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Anssi Johansson wrote:
However, the average is the important word here as there will be
traffic bursts. The traffic bursts will only become less frequent when
more servers are added, but it won't reduce the peak values. This is
because most traffic from
Don't overestimate how accurate the monitoring system is. There are lots of
factors that can shift the accuracy by a few tens of ms from time to time. If
your server is in agreement with various well run servers (nearby and farther
away) then trust that.
The monitoring system isn't intended
On Thursday, August 2, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Kiss Gábor wrote:
What if the monitoring system Asks (sorry :) the server's
own estimation about its offset? (I mean value 1.780 below) (If possible.)
It depends less on _your_ network environment and probably
more realistic than a single poll from you.
Hi everyone,I've been planning to add something to to the system so it checks for correct leap second announcements, it looks like I shouldn't wait until the next leap second before doing it.AskBegin forwarded message:From: Martin BurnickiSubject: Fwd: WARNING: someone's faking a leap second
. If they're going to abuse
someone, we're likely in the best position to take it.
If we can't at some point we'll figure out to block them, but as long as people
are willing to put up their servers to take the load (abuse?), then let's do
that.
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(mailto:a...@ntppool.org) wrote:
Hi everyone,
Ask
Begin forwarded message:
From: Martin
On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:17, webmaster-boun...@lists.ntp.org wrote:
Hi Sean,
I don't think that IP address has ever been part of the NTP Pool, it is however
listed on http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/NtpOneTummyCom (which is
unrelated to the NTP Pool).
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to start tracking network paths (though obviously
just in one direction): https://github.com/abh/ntppool/issues/56
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Thanks, I updated the puppet configuration so the new servers get the GeoIP
database updated regularly (similar to the DNS servers). I also updated the
zones for your servers.
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A traceroute is always helpful to figure out what is going on when there are
network problems.
Having more monitoring stations will make the system pickier, not more tolerant.
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On Sep 20, 2012, at 2:03, maoz zadok mao...@gmail.com wrote:
maoz@maoz-laptop:~$ for X in a b c d e f g h; do echo asking $X.ntpns.org,
ANSWER SECTION:; dig +short pool.ntp.org @$X.ntpns.org; done
asking a.ntpns.org, ANSWER SECTION:
asking b.ntpns.org, ANSWER SECTION:
That's pretty
Hi everyone,
Let us pack up the discussion of the relative merits of programming languages
and execution environments, it is getting pretty far off-topic.
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Hi,
First: Thank you for your efforts adding servers in countries with few servers,
it's really great.
In addition to what Oliver (and others) said I'd add that if it's hard for you
to find a stratum 1 server in Egypt, it'll be really really hard for a casual
user. There's not even an 'eg'
Unless someone is trying to run an NTP server for the pool in a tunnel with one
of those devices/extenders, we're getting well off-topic for the NTP Pool. :-)
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Somebody wrote to me in the last week about helping the NTP Pool with their new
anycast setup, but I can't find the email anywhere. If it was you or you know
who it was, please write again!
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On Jan 16, 2013, at 16:15, Thibault VINCENT ti...@reloaded.fr wrote:
Very surprised nobody wrote about that to the list or on the news page, I
waited for two days and tested from many locations, but it really seems like
the pool website is broken.
Hi,
Indeed, it's been not doing so well
On Feb 4, 2013, at 6:29, Fabian Wenk fab...@wenks.ch wrote:
I have set the normal_check_interval to 60, so that it does only check once
every hour. I hope this is fine for the Pool web server.
More often is fine, too. Those requests are actually cached for 10 or 20
minutes, so I'd suggest
there.
http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/209.141.47.34
The graphs are working again (some might need a few hours to expire from the
caches).
The CSV log has all the measurement data, too:
http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/209.141.47.34/log?limit=1000
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(Because it gives different answers to each query).
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servers leaving the pool work better is crucial to the long
term stability and functionality of the system.
If you are the kind of user who can't stomach the small extra jitter when a
server comes and goes you should use your own stratum 1 equipment, not the pool.
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Interesting!
Does anyone not in the tr zone have graphs, too?
I rolled out edns-subnet support on Wednesday and Thursday. I believe
Google DNS white listed out servers Thursday.
We have some sort of incompatibility with OpenDNS that made them do almost
50k/qps until they turned it off again; I
.pool.ntp.org, 2.fedora.pool.ntp.org,
etc) even has the option of getting an record, so that probably makes it
down to 1/3 to 1/6th of the regular traffic, too.
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On Mar 12, 2013, at 16:48, Darryl Ross dar...@afoyi.com wrote:
Why would service be worse? Doesn't ntpd ask for A and records? If so,
it'd still get the same number of IPv4 records, plus the IPv6?
Most clients will only use the records if available.
On Mar 12, 2013, at 10:48 PM, Markku Miettinen su...@surfa.name wrote:
This is absolutely the way that a client SHOULD NOT work and this is what
many OS and application developers with IETF have been trying to shoot down
for years. It is not how IPv6 works as stated one of latter e-mails.
On Mar 17, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Henk P. Penning penn...@uu.nl wrote:
Looking at zone tr.pool.ntp.org for the last 2.5 days :
http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/tr/
-- 9 (out of 24 active) servers were spotted in the zone
-- 1 server is always in the zone
-- 3 servers are
On Mar 18, 2013, at 3:02, Henk P. Penning penn...@uu.nl wrote:
Ok ; thanks.
Reviving the service immediately changed the 'ip in the pool' pattern:
http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/tr/
It now looks again like something I would expect.
One thing to keep in mind is that tr,
it on some of my boxes at home; though they have
IPv4, too. It's working fine as far as I can tell except for the quirk that you
get twice as many active servers when you are dual stacked compared to if you
are not. I haven't monitored the failure/replacement stuff.
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that at some point.
On my todo/roadmap I have a feature so each zone can be configured differently,
optimized for ntp or sntp, number of servers returned etc.
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On Mar 21, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote:
Can anybody test the pool command in a IPv6 only environment?
For what it's worth: I'm using it on some of my boxes at home; though they
have IPv4, too. It's working fine as far as I can tell except for the quirk
that
On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 at 11:48, tech-li...@packet-labs.net wrote:
I'm attempt to add an IPv6 enabled NTP host on a HE tunnel, but the
monitoring system is rejecting it when I submit it with the following
error:
Invalid stratum response from 2001:XXX:X:XXX::X
Hi Jay,
Did you
The management and monitoring system will have a brief outage,
http://news.ntppool.org/2013/05/brief-outage-for-ntp-pool-webs.html
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On Friday, May 17, 2013 at 13:03, Svavar Kjarrval wrote:
It's lacking a 'when' unless it's happening right now.
Indeed. Soon is the plan. :-) It was going to be shortly after I wrote, but
the people doing the work got delayed.
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On Saturday, May 18, 2013 at 5:55 AM, Paul Staroch wrote:
Is there some IPv6 routing problem since the migration?
http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/2a01:4f8:162:51e2::2 vs
http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/2a02:180:1:1::5b8f:533e
I'm looking into it. I suspect it's unrelated from moving rack.
On Jun 19, 2013, at 5:15, Roel Wagenaar r...@wagenaar.nu wrote:
If I put http://graphs.ntppool.net/graph/46.231.82.7/offset.png in my browser
it
nicely shows the most recent graph of one of my servers,if I use the same
address in a lynx -source address constuct in a script downloading it to
0.00, delay 0.0
26 Jun 22:06:34 ntpdate[13298]: no server suitable for synchronization found
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On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 1:32, lst_ho...@79365-rhs.de wrote:
Hello,
do we have some IPv6 problem with the pool monitors? I got
I need some help debugging it.
The monitoring system should send you a packet every ~15 minutes from
2607:f238:2::/48
For those of you who have problems, can you run
tcpdump -nn 'net 2607:f238:2::/48'
and let me know what you see? Since traceroutes seem to work fine both way
(?!) it must be
Thanks Andreas. I posted this on the news site:
http://news.ntppool.org/2013/06/ipv6-monitoring-problems-for-g.html
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