Is there any way to make lost polygon fills visible? Or delete them?
By lost I mean that 'connect to net' and 'remove dead copper' were
selected
for a polygon fill and through updating, or copying from one design to
another, the net name has been removed, and so the polygon disappears.
Now that is bizarre! I opened the database this morning, closed it, and it
has now dropped in size from 25MB, to 7MB.
The compact on close facility was enabled the whole time. Eh?!
I get the feeling I will never know the answer the that little mystery.
Mike.
Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL
This can happen when (occasionly for whatever reason) the temporary
database.ldb-file is not deleted. Then you are logged in to the database two
times with the same user name on the same machine. This prevents Protel from
compacting when you are closing the ddb because your Phantom still has
Thanks for that pointer.
It seems that when somebody opens a PCB file on any computer on the
network, and has a library file added that is in the library database, the
.ldb file appears showing admin access for that computer.
Under these circumstances, if I open, edit, and close the library
Andrew,
I am using SP6, as are most of the users who access the library database
that I control.
It would seem, as I mentioned in an earlier message, that a .ldb file is
being created, with admin status, for any person editing a PCB, with the
library added.
These people have not got the
Hello! Does Protel99SE crash about daily for you? It does for me, I'm using
the Database format and running on a Compaq IPAQ ( crap compared to the Dell
I had before) with Windows 2000.
I was doing save a copy as thinking I was creating backups. Wrong! At the
end of the day yesterday Protel99SE
Thanks AJ for posting the links.
Mike Reagan
EDSI Frederick MD
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jeff,
1. Don't use the database format if you want to get the backed up files
out of the actual work. saved as files are still in the database, and if
this crashes, the backups also are lost. I use the windows file system since
P99 is out and I never had problems. If you export files from the
Hi Thomas,
You can go on the Protel knowledge base and Item#1516 will tell you how to
remove phantom polygons.
Thanks,
Amy Nolen
PCB Layout Technician
RF Micro Devices
7914 Piedmont Triad Parkway
Greensboro NC 27409
(336) 931-7099
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From: Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL
I have Protel running on a Compaq Presario. It ran much better when I
stopped using the Database format and switched to the Windows File System. I
also added more memory. It still is no where near the speed of a Dell
machine that I've seen it run on.
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From: Jeff
i've deleted some of this thread without reading it so i apologize if
i repeat something, but when i first started using protel i turned my
nose up at the database format, but then encountered some prob-
lem reading the libraries (i am sorry that i cannot be more specific,
but i'm sure the
Here is my reaction to Altium.
I am rather desperately hoping it is a hoax
Altium sounds like a name for a company that is trying to imitate
something modern without quite making it. It's very nineties.
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From: Abd ulRahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:26 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Fw: Altium - Think it, Design it, Build it!
Here is my
Hi all,
I think that the paragraph below, in their own words, says it all.
No changes, no significant fixes, the same old bugs, inefficient code and
glorious marketing driven additions that nobody wants. No changes, no
improvements, just the same old crap under a new name. Is this what
Jeff:
99SE does not crash daily for me, but it still does crash once in a while.
I have noticed that if you try to place a BIG part that sometimes Protel
will lock up into a loop, still doing timed backups, but not doing anything
intelligent with the keystrokes and mouse activity you are giving
Hello All
Does anyone have a footprint for an Amp Connector 536279-1. I have a data
sheet, however typical AMP datasheet is missing the diameter of the pin.
The data sheet calls for .028 mils and does not indicate if that is hole or
pad size. On .050 pin spacing, it must be pad size but there
Hello listers,
A couple of questions:
1) How do you Drag a group of selected track segments while rubberbanding to the
non-selected segments?
2) The Push object mode moves the pushed track segment endpoints off the routing
grid, can this be corrected?
TIA!
Darryl Newberry
Hardware
Choosing Tools | Signal Integrity... locks up the Protel session, requiring process
kill using Win2000 TaskMgr. There is no GP fault, in fact TM says it's running,
however Protel does not respond to keyboard or mouse input or system redraw messages.
Any clues on where to begin looking for the
Daryl,
Mike's comment is very valid, Protel has many typical processes
which show no outward signs of actually executing while they are running.
For all intent and purposes you think the machine has locked but that is
simply not the case. Other good examples of this are database linking,
From the data sheet it looks like the hole size must be 0.028 since they
are showing the PCB layout and that hole size would work well with 0.050
spacing. I'll bet the pin size is around 0.018.
I would want to see the part though since the data sheet is missing
important data.
Jeff Adolphs
Lake
If I may pose the question another way:
Has anybody on the list _actually_used_ the Protel SI package to evaluate waveforms?
What was your experience, was it useful in isolating problems?
Did you have any issues with configuration or operation?
Darryl Newberry
Hardware Engineer
Blazie, a
From the data sheet it looks like the hole size must be 0.028 since they
are showing the PCB layout and that hole size would work well with 0.050
spacing. I'll bet the pin size is around 0.018.
Jeff,
I agree the pin has to be around .018 not .028, but this wont be the first
time I have
Hello, all:
Here are some more suggestions for Protel's name change, from the periodic
table:
CADmium - a toxic metal used in batteries that are always dead when you need
them most, and exhibit a memory effect (like Protel software remembers bugs
from previous versions)
Cesium - what Protel
I used the old version 3 simulator for some simple stuff, but I had some
problems. It has been so long, I don't remember the details, but I do
remember that the program did not give any useful indication of what was
wrong. It made debugging a simulation pretty painful.
We ended up buying a
Andrew J Jenkins wrote:
Hmm...here's one for my guru friends to think about. Can one preset process
prioritization for tasks called to the NT/2k task manager, and are SI and other
Protel processes transparent enough to avail themselves to such manipulation? If so,
one might admittedly lose
Brian Guralnick wrote:
This made me think of an interesting question.
Is there a public domain open source PCB schematic capture software? This way,
users have the ability to make significant changes themselves publicly post them.
Yes, there are several projects going. One is at
Hello,
I have dense board to apply logos for FCC, UL and CE onto the silk
screen.
Ideal height would be ~.100 height, but anything would be great.
Does anyone have these logos in a format Protel99SE can import?
I would be grateful if you could share them with me.
Sincerely,
Carl Schattke,
OK, thanks everybody for your input on this issue. The list is a really
great resource.
The reality is I have about 6 board designs that have to go out for fast
turn proto this week and hopefully go into a commercial UL/FCC/CE/USB ready
product by September. I don't know what all YOU people do
Carl,
a word of warning. Read the CE requirements for labeling
requirements quite carefully, I don't remember the exact details but your
desired size appears to be well below their minimum size requirements if
this is the only CE mark to be applied to your product. The pertinent
details
Hyperlynx sells a signal integrity/emi tool that is supposed to be great.
I Use it before layout only, to set trace widths and look at signals vs
diferent termination schemes.
I have yet to successfully use the signal integrity tools in Protel. They
don't seem, to be its shining star. The
Daryl,
welcome to the Protel(ooops, Altium) club. We all meet here
regularly to lick our wounds, share war stories and generally commiserate
about our problems. You will make a suitably good initiate candidate, you
seem to have passed all the tests. 8^
Seriously, I would warn you
The 0.050 dimension looks like it applies between pads on staggered
rows.
I think adjacent pads in the same row are 0.10 apart.
I concur. Pads within a given row appear to have a .1 spacing. Note the
grid drawn onto the component located at the top of pg7.
AJ, MAX,Carl, Everybody,
I
works?
2) Since I have to keep on using Protel, should I get a dual CPU
workstation? What specs for W2K?
Darryl,
Get two computers. One to do Sim and routing and one for layout. I started
with a dual CPU and it never helped. But two computers work great , the
second one can be a low end
Sorry Cliff,
I give at the office everyday. My cat-of-nine-tails hangs on the
shelf right beside the Protel manual, everytime I go to reach for the manual
I take my punishment for such a ridiculous thought. 8^ (tongue firmly
planted in cheek) The most painful thing that I find about
Correct me if I am wrong but Protel just started using IBIS models SPK6 for
there signal simulation.
Ted
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From: Mike Ingle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:27 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Signal Integrity dialog locks up.
Is there a public domain open source PCB schematic capture software?
Yes.
Also, www.gnu.org has a couple (last I looked a few years ago, and I'm
going on memory here) And I'm sure that a web search would yield a few
more individual ones. There are also many freeware and open
I use Protel's SI tools for controlled impedance calculations. My results
have been within +/- 5 % of any of the same analysis we have performed by
TYCO, KCA, or other board houses using top of the line Polar Instruments
tools.I have a great degree of confidence with the tools, you just
My $0.02 about open source PCB software:
It's hard to make money on open source software. The only viable business
model I can think of is to sell support services for the software. But that
means you have to make it hard to use, put bugs in it, and write bad
documentation in order to sell
There is no way to come up to speed on such a project in another language
than delphi. Why are the competitiors blown to pieces, not because they were
dummies, they used the wrong tools. The language must be efficient in development
the IDE, meaning RAD has to be efficient. No C++, no nothing
I've used the Signal intergrity utility and it was helpful and matched
what I was seeing on the problem design I inherited. I wish the problem I
currently have (1 buffer and 8 or 64 memory chips) could be run in it, but
it would be difficult with two boards and a connector involved not to
You have two rows of contacts in the connector, but four rows of pads on
the board (plus the center ground row)
Which brings up the question where is pin 3 and pin 4 located. Sorry we are
tying up this forum with my dumb question.
Mike
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I thought Delphi was Pascal Prettified.
You mean Delphi isn't Pascal? What is different and why is it so much
better than C++?
I've programmed in C, Assemblers, Basic, Visual Basic, Pascal and C++, and
I would take C++ over the others for a large program in a heartbeat. C and
assembler are
Hi Mike,
Look at page 7 of 14 in the document pointed to by the following address.
It will show you the pin out.
http://catalog.tycoelectronics.com/TE/docs/pdf/7/95/158597.pdf
Best regards,
Max P. Henzi, CEO
Lavenir Technology
2440 Estand Way
Pleasant Hill, CA 94523
voice: (925) 680-7400
Thanks but this is what I got from the knowledge base:
The Protel Knowledge Base is temporarily out or service as it is currently
being upgraded.
We apologize for any inconvenience.
Thanks for all the replies, I think I've removed all the little !@#%ers.
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From:
I tried this for a while, but came across the same problem.
I went back to using the 'classic' colours, as I could find no way around
it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 8:19 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: [PEDA]
Hi all
Since we have Altium reader in Mr. Watts, I was wondering if the name change
also brings to an end any more service packs for Protel 99SE ? This is
something I would expect as a result. First the asking price went up, then
the name change it begs to wonder what is next ?
In this
I have used it a couple of times to check our companies IBIS modals and can say
that it does produce waveforms that do appear to be what is expected. But a
couple
of points you have to watch out for:
Any major complexity will seriously degrade the speed, I copy the trace of
interest and
the
Andrew,
I thought that I had covered my ass sufficiently on my post. I
mentioned that there were things to be said for dual processors but that the
same old problems would probably still plague Protel's performance. Wasn't
that enough, or is there something wrong with that statement? I
Excellent advice, thanks. I looked at a dual 750 at one point a few months
back, but I.T. gave me a vanilla Dell Optiplex GX110. I am already using 2
systems , W2K for P99, MS Orifice, etc, and W98 for certain embedded dev
tools that require it, legacy Tango designs, DOS things, blah blah. I
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