Here we are, many things about Protel's legacy so if i were to have no choice,then i
would get into Linux and download OpenSource pcb software which is already in working
version that is producing finished assembled SMD board by the software author,there is
at least 3 O/source pcb design
You reflex on me very too Raven,i started out as a TV repairman after school,then get
into audio design especially loudspeaker and it is from here that i feel the need to
learn CAD system for able to produce products which will keep me alive,then things got
better of me Cad wise and i landed a
Yes,for the standard package, Capture CIS and Smartroute is not including because of
its lowered price,but the whole package as you mentioned do include everything,from
standard route to Smartroute which i am very happy to use with.Imagine me testing a
Protel 2.8 sample files of high density 2
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From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
At 07:02 AM 9/19/2003, John A. Ross [Design] wrote:
But as for a point by point, and ease of use, UI
On 08:40 PM 19/09/2003, John A. Ross [Design] said:
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From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:41 AM
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..snip.. I deleted a whole lot of more contentious stuff
On 10:50 PM 19/09/2003, Robert M. Wolfe said:
John,
Not sure if they did this yet but if the Autorouter for
PADS is now the Expedition (VeriBest) autorouter
I would state they not in the same ballpark,
and quite frankly not in the same universe.
Never looked at their Blaze Router though, but
Ian Wilson wrote:
I am very interested in this but the numbers seem hard to come by.
Can anyone give a purchase and annual cost for other packages that
include Sch capture, PCB, autorouter and simulation? It may be
instructive to try to set up some sort of table to collate this stuff.
When I
, September 19, 2003 9:49 AM
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but Expedition router is best I've ever seen.
Does that include things like Specctra? Will it bolt up to Protel in
any useful way?
(Since Situs seems doomed
really can't use it
for much.
Bob
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From: Robert M. Wolfe [mailto
Ian
Orcad just had a sale with Capture, Pspice, and Layout for $10,000. I
believe that included an autorouter. The regular price was $22,000.
Jim Walker
Walker Power Design, Inc.
Ian Wilson wrote:
On 10:50 PM 19/09/2003, Robert M. Wolfe said:
John,
Not sure if they did this yet but if the
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..snip.. I deleted a whole lot of more contentious stuff,
enough grenades
for today.
Ian
My comments were
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I think some of you are thinking I am supporting Altium in
this. I try to
be honest, analytical
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Snipped
I would love to get together, face to face, computer to
computer with a
very experienced OrCad
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John,
Not sure if they did this yet but if the Autorouter for
PADS is now the Expedition (VeriBest
At 07:02 AM 9/19/2003, John A. Ross [Design] wrote:
But as for a point by point, and ease of use, UI analysis etc I think it
would be an even enough score (Autorouter excluded) as the 2
applications have the same core abilities, but each of them offers
different benifets in certain areas depending
From: Igor Gmitrovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/09/17 Wed PM 08:51:38 EDT
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
Maybe they were not mis-leading us intentionally. They changed their policies a lot
recently, with ATS and DXP and all, so P99SE got a boot
:17 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
i believe there is both a in memory cache and an in schematic file cache
closing and reopening the file does not clear the memory cache as i
recall
you have to close the whole protel session
i think this was cleaned up somewhere along
On 10:00 PM 18/09/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Yeah!
I don't know about you guys, but my company just dropped 16 Grand on 99
SE. We can't possibly afford to upgrade to DXP. If Protel decides not to
support SE, we're really hosed. Guess it's a good thing I found this user
group (or is it
that means they still make it.
Michael Badillo
From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/09/18 Thu AM 08:29:43 EDT
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
On 10:00 PM 18/09/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Yeah!
I don't know about you guys, but my
Products
Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
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http://www.norsat.com
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: www.bagotronix.com
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My company won't upgrade computers, much less software. Getting a new
copy of Windows even is like
here--it's good for the soul.
Thanx,
Michael Badillo
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/09/18 Thu AM 11:37:27 EDT
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Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
My company won't upgrade computers, much less software. Getting a new
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:29:43 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
Otherwise the quote upgrade price is about $2500. Lets assume a
designers on-cost is between 25 and 50 dollars per hour - 25 to 50
hours of improved productivity will pay for it, one week. So, the
question then is how long will I have to
: www.bagotronix.com
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Unfortunately my CEO has nowhere to go up to. My department head is an
engineer and a good guy
Matt,
your comments reflect my thoughts, feelings and experience about
this exactly
and i paid for the DXP upgrade
so far i have found it cheaper to let it collect electronic dust
Dennis Saputelli
Matt Pobursky wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:29:43 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
Otherwise the
Cadsoft's Eagle PCB design software runs on Linux.
duane
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Our interns love Linux, but the PHB
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:29:43 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
Otherwise the quote upgrade price is about $2500. Lets assume a
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As far as I know it was never fixed and it still hangs
many many times on close so end process
needs to be done to shut down a machine.
Bob Wolfe
, September 18, 2003 2:35 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Cc: JaMi Smith
Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
KLUNK ! ! !
I thought at one time that we could possibly embarrass Altium into some
kind of action on Service Pack 7, and I think that since it appears that
all else has failed
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From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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KLUNK ! ! !
I thought at one time that we could possibly embarrass Altium into some
kind
On 02:18 AM 19/09/2003, Matt Pobursky said:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:29:43 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
Otherwise the quote upgrade price is about $2500. Lets assume a
designers on-cost is between 25 and 50 dollars per hour - 25 to 50
hours of improved productivity will pay for it, one week. So,
Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 11:07 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
On 02:18 AM 19/09/2003, Matt Pobursky said:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:29:43 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
Otherwise the quote upgrade price is about
At 12:18 PM 9/18/2003, Matt Pobursky wrote:
I'm a reasonably smart guy having many years (20+) of experience with
engineering software in general.
With similar experience or more, I find that I don't learn nearly as
quickly as I did when I was younger.
I figured more like 1-2 months to come
up
On 09:43 AM 19/09/2003, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said:
I presume you have someone paying for your seat time, i.e. you have
an employer that's issuing a paycheck whether your jobs are completed
or not and also continues to pay you while you are going up the
learning curve with new software.
That's an
On 09:32 AM 19/09/2003, John A. Ross said:
Ian
On most of your comparison between DXP and 99SE you have fair points.
http://www.considered.com.au/DXP_vs_P99SE.htm for those who missed the
link in Ians post before.
But I would need to disagree on the heavy use of queries being
productive. My main
At 04:16 PM 9/18/2003, Back, Norb wrote:
Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7
Service Pack 7
I don't think it's going to happen, and here is why:
Altium tried to go to ATS, which was, quite simply, a maintenance fee to be
paid yearly. We didn't like it. But we still
On 09:32 AM 19/09/2003, John A. Ross said:
Ian
On most of your comparison between DXP and 99SE you have fair points.
http://www.considered.com.au/DXP_vs_P99SE.htm for those who missed the
link in Ians post before.
Here is something that that others could do. Take my points as a starter,
and
At 08:40 PM 9/18/2003, Ian Wilson wrote:
I would love to get together, face to face, computer to computer with a
very experienced OrCad, and PADs user, both of whom are non-religious in
their approach to computer software, and go through a detailed end-to-end
design flow. Then we would all
At 08:00 AM 9/18/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know about you guys, but my company just dropped 16 Grand on 99
SE. We can't possibly afford to upgrade to DXP. If Protel decides not to
support SE, we're really hosed. Guess it's a good thing I found this user
group (or is it more like
Hi again.
I just noticed sometghing strange with the Sch editor of P99SE(SP6).
I set up my schematic libraries (all in one database) with custom part
field names: 'tolerance' for field 1, 'power/voltage' for field 2 and
'class/rating' for field 3.
Since these fields can be blank for a lot of
. Since then
it has been MUCH better behaved.
Michael Badillo
From: Leo Potjewijd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/09/17 Wed AM 08:08:16 EDT
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
Hi again.
I just noticed sometghing strange with the Sch editor of P99SE(SP6).
I set up my
P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
Duh?
You guys just now figuring that out?
Unfortunately, it appears to be hereditary . . .
I want my Service Pack 7 . . .
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P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
Duh?
You guys just now figuring that out?
Unfortunately, it appears to be hereditary
, but it would still be worthwile for us here.
Igor
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Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 10:30 AM
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I want my Service Pack 7 . . .
Didn't Protel Miss-leadingly
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I have noticed (and I have only been using 99 SE for a few months) that it
does indeed have Altzheimer's. I
be worthwile for us here.
Igor
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I want my Service Pack 7 . . .
Didn't Protel Miss-leadingly
to save my work that had changed. The mistake in
this case is to select save (and destroy).
HTH
Brendon.
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Don't forget to End Process 'Client99.exe'!!
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