Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: reconnecting nets

[Colby - PowerStream]

Bryan,

It is possible that the rest of the board was lighting up for the same
reason you could not route the pads together.

Have you checked it after going through the procedure in the order listed?
Is the whole board still lit up?

After you go through the procedure to update the primitives, re-run the
Batch DRC to see if it will clear the violations.

Also... a common thing I forgot as well...  Make sure you are not getting
Component Clearance violations that you consider irrelevant.  In your Design
Rules under the Placement tab there is a rule for component clearance... if
this was left at the default of 10mil this may be where some violations are
coming from.  I personally turn this off... but you may want to look here as
well.

Check to see what type of violations they are by changing the Browse
pull-down to violations.  Knowing what type of violation and the details of
the primitives involved will definitely help in finding their cause.

Let me know if this helps.

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- Original Message -
From: Bryan Bernesi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers
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Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: reconnecting nets


> Thank you very, very much Colby. I was following the wrong steps before.
>
> I still have not gotten a response from Protel Tech support. but would
> you know why my complete board would be lighting up with clearance
> violations??? and how can I fix this problem without turning off the
> clearance constraint rule, just in case there is a DRC
>
> Very kind regards,
>
> Bryan Bernesi
>
>
>
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Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: newbie can't get power and groundplanes to connect up

[Colby - PowerStream]

> I routinely use power ports with no wire, without problems. It might
happen
> that one has a wire very slightly off grid and have electrical snap turned
> off ; new designers sometimes consider the grid needlessly confining and
> turn it off as well.

Well... I can't remember when or why I came to this conclusion, but after
reading this and checking, sure enough, this works fine.

Thanks =)
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Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: newbie can't get power and groundplanes to connect up

[Colby - PowerStream]

Gordon,

With the Synchronizer always do a Preview Changes before executing.  When
the Changes Tab pops up with the macro list you will see a Only Show Errors
checkbox.  Check this.  There is also a report button to generate a report
from this.

If you still have trouble after you have checked the netlist errors post
what you found.

Also... not sure if this applies.  But do not connect Power Ports directly
to pins, always run a small piece of wire from the pin... I seem to remember
it not connecting properly if conencted directly to the pin.  Power Ports
are essentially netlabels with a visual symbol for the power type chosen.

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- Original Message -
From: Gordon Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 12:21 PM
Subject: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: newbie can't get power and ground planes to
connect up


> Hi Everyone,
> I thought I was paying close attention to all the chatter on this
> net but apparently I have missed the boat again. I have a master schematic
> and 4 (flat) sub schematics that globally reference the following net
names
> I have defined:(using 99SE SP6)
> GND
> +1.8V
> +3.3V
> +5V
> When I go to update the PCB from the schematic, I get a macro error
> that asks me if I want to continue.(Right here is where I would like to
know
> what the complaints are but I can't seem to find an error report)
>If I continue I find that even though I don't see any missing parts or
> footprints, that when I route the board, the ground and power planes that
I
> created in the layer stack manager do not connect up, but rather, ground
> pins are connected by signal traces rather than to the planes.
> The online help seems to talk about different conditions than what I
> see on my dialogue boxes. When I try to edit the properties of the
internal
> power planes, the drop down box does not show the +3.3V net name or
anything
> for the power ground net GND.
> Obviously, the macro errors at update time are the problem, but I
> don't know how to view the errors or see what is really wrong. I have set
up
> my design rules and the board will route 100% and all the parts seem to
ALL
> be there.
> I know Protel has it's own power and ground rules but I have not
> made sense of them yet. I have set the net name on the power ground symbol
> to "GND" and have used the power arrow symbol with the above net names.
> One thing I have done is put power and ground pins on my schematic
> library parts so I can see them on the schematic. I then place a net label
> on a wire going to the power pin. I did not put a net label on the ground
> symbol other than the properties box when you add a ground to the actual
> schematic.
>
> Thanks,
> R. Gordon Price
> Director of Research Engineering
> Loronix Information Systems, Inc.
> Del Mar CA
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Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: newbie can't get power and groundplanes to connect up

[Colby - PowerStream]

John beat me to it ;)

What John said.

We need to make sure to keep the difference between the ERC error markers
and a Netlist Macro error clear.

The Error markers were NOT created by Update PCB, they were created by ERC
and are not related to your 'Node Not Found' error.

ERC is a subject I will leave open for anyone that uses it, I do not.

So it sounds like the first problem to tackle is to make sure the Pad
Designators on your Footprints match the Pin numbers for the corresponding
schematic symbol.

Hopefully that should solve most of your issues.

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- Original Message -
From: John Haddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 2:36 PM
Subject: RE: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: newbie can't get power and ground planes to
connect up


> I think the important word is "node" - not "net"! A missing node
> error is related to the pin name i.e. the schematic symbol has a
> pin numbered EA21, while the PCB component doesn't. So the
> synchroniser is attempting to connect a net to a pin that it
> can't locate on the component.
>
> I'd check the schematic library - when this happens to me it's
> usually because I accidentally have a pin with the same name and
> number, when I might really have wanted the pin named, for example,
> EA21 but numbered C15 (or whatever, to suit the package footprint).
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> John Haddy
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: TSListServer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> > Behalf Of Gordon Price
> > Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2001 8:06 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers
> > Subject: RE: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: newbie can't get power and ground
> > planes to connect up
> >
> >
> > Colby,
> > Thanks for the tip. I have 11 errors of which 7 are net names on
> > short wires to pins on a FPGA that are not used yet. I figured these
were
> > safe and had nothing to do with my power plane and ground plane
> > connectivity
> > problems.
> > Four of the errors are pins of an FPGA that go through wires clearly
> > to a power ground symbol on the schematic. The error report says that
the
> > node EA21 can not be found for these 4 pins. I do not know what
> > net EA21 is
> > or why it is not "GND". If you double click on the ground symbol on the
> > schematic, the box says that it is a member of net "GND", which
> > is correct.
> > My schematic now has little red circles with a red x inside on certain
> > unconnected pins and some connected pins. What are these little red
> > circles?? Error flages of some kind???
> > Is there a way to have 99SE re-figure everything from scratch? I am
> > still stumped.
> > Thanks,
> > R. Gordon Price
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Colby - PowerStream [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 2:18 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list proteledausers
> > Subject: Re: [PROTEL EDA USERS]: newbie can't get power and ground
> > planes to connect up
> >
> >
> > Gordon,
> >
> > With the Synchronizer always do a Preview Changes before executing.
When
> > the Changes Tab pops up with the macro list you will see a Only
> > Show Errors
> > checkbox.  Check this.  There is also a report button to generate a
report
> > from this.
> >
> > If you still have trouble after you have checked the netlist errors post
> > what you found.
> >
> > Also... not sure if this applies.  But do not connect Power Ports
directly
> > to pins, always run a small piece of wire from the pin... I seem
> > to remember
> > it not connecting properly if conencted directly to the pin.  Power
Ports
> > are essentially netlabels with a visual symbol for the power type
chosen.
> >
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Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: misc queries

[Colby - PowerStream]

> Move Drag (MD) and Move Component (MC) will only drag connected tracks if
> the Component Drag mode is set to "Connected Tracks" rather than
> "None".  Use Tools-Preferences to set the component drag option (bottom
> right of dialog).
>
> Ian

Also if this is turned on(Connected Tracks) and you use Move-->Component you
will no longer be able to rotate the component while you hold it.  Just in
case you begin to wonder why your components wont rotate ;)

They will still rotate with a Click and Hold... but the tracks wont drag
with it.

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Re: [PEDA] Floating licenses dissapearing: was"Searching Network for Floating License"

[Colby - PowerStream]

Doug,

Long and Short version things to try...

Short version first.  Close Protel, Delete/Rename the Client99SE.INI(in
Windows or Winnt directory), open Protel check access codes and install any
that are missing, Close Protel... repeat for each workstation.

Long Version...

Here is what I would try. Hopefully this will help.  I don't remember ever
seeing the Protel software remove access codes... so I would suspect maybe
some damage or write protection on your Client99SE.INI in the windows
directory.

Remove all access codes from the Protel installations one at a time then
close the program.

While Protel is closed... Delete or Rename the Client99SE.INI from the
Windows/Winnt directory for each workstation.

When all codes are removed and the INI is deleted or renamed for each
workstation then..

Load Protel 99 SE and re-enter your access codes manually then close Protel
and it should write this new info to a new Client99SE.INI... do this for
each workstation.

Hopefully that may clean out the issue with codes disappearing.

Make sure you have full read/write access to your Windows or Winnt directory

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- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:07 AM
Subject: [PEDA] Floating licenses dissapearing: was "Searching Network for
Floating License"


>
>
> From: Douglas Jensen
>
> In a possibly related thread, I have had protel REMOVE licenses from my
> list of unlock-codes shown in the security window.
>
> Originally, I installed only single licenses on single machines (before
the
> check boxes for transmit and recieve where removed in an SP sometime).
Now
> I have to install all licenses on all machines to have things work at all.
> I installed each of 5 codes on 5 different machines.  Now most machines
> have four or three licenses available - the protel app is removing numbers
> from the lists on machines - I have to re-enter the codes to get everyone
> running again (or more accurately to avoid the 'you are running more
copies
> than you have licenses for' message.)
>
> Has anyone else experienced this?  Any solutions?  Protel has been trying
> to be helpful, but I've been following their instructions with little
> result.
>
> Thanks,
> DJ


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Re: [PEDA] OOPS! Floating licenses dissapearing: was"Searching Network for Floating License"

[Colby - PowerStream]

OOPS.

I just remembered... this will not work as I wrote it.

This will cause all of your servers to disappear becuase Protel does not
re-write the server info back into the file.

After removing the Client99SE.INI you will have to run the repair option
from your Protel99SE CD Setup to replace the file.

Sorry about that... guess I better double-check my suggestions...  it
appears my memory is a bit fuzzy on some of this stuff already.

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- Original Message -
From: "Colby - PowerStream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Floating licenses dissapearing: was "Searching Network
for Floating License"


> Doug,
>
> Long and Short version things to try...
>
> Short version first.  Close Protel, Delete/Rename the Client99SE.INI(in
> Windows or Winnt directory), open Protel check access codes and install
any
> that are missing, Close Protel... repeat for each workstation.
>
> Long Version...
>
> Here is what I would try. Hopefully this will help.  I don't remember ever
> seeing the Protel software remove access codes... so I would suspect maybe
> some damage or write protection on your Client99SE.INI in the windows
> directory.
>
> Remove all access codes from the Protel installations one at a time then
> close the program.
>
> While Protel is closed... Delete or Rename the Client99SE.INI from the
> Windows/Winnt directory for each workstation.
>
> When all codes are removed and the INI is deleted or renamed for each
> workstation then..
>
> Load Protel 99 SE and re-enter your access codes manually then close
Protel
> and it should write this new info to a new Client99SE.INI... do this for
> each workstation.
>
> Hopefully that may clean out the issue with codes disappearing.
>
> Make sure you have full read/write access to your Windows or Winnt
directory
>
> --
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>** Custom Power Supplies
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>
> http://www.PowerStream.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:07 AM
> Subject: [PEDA] Floating licenses dissapearing: was "Searching Network for
> Floating License"
>
>
> >
> >
> > From: Douglas Jensen
> >
> > In a possibly related thread, I have had protel REMOVE licenses from my
> > list of unlock-codes shown in the security window.
> >
> > Originally, I installed only single licenses on single machines (before
> the
> > check boxes for transmit and recieve where removed in an SP sometime).
> Now
> > I have to install all licenses on all machines to have things work at
all.
> > I installed each of 5 codes on 5 different machines.  Now most machines
> > have four or three licenses available - the protel app is removing
numbers
> > from the lists on machines - I have to re-enter the codes to get
everyone
> > running again (or more accurately to avoid the 'you are running more
> copies
> > than you have licenses for' message.)
> >
> > Has anyone else experienced this?  Any solutions?  Protel has been
trying
> > to be helpful, but I've been following their instructions with little
> > result.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > DJ
>
>


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Re: [PEDA] Cannot get 'Complex - Simple' hierarchy working.

[Colby - PowerStream]

Jim,

Here is a link to the instructions on how this must be done in 99SE.
http://www.protel.com/earticles/complex_hier_P99.htm

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- Original Message -
From: "Jim Parr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel Users Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:30 AM
Subject: [PEDA] Cannot get 'Complex - Simple' hierarchy working.


> Hi all,
>
> Using 99SE-SP5 on win98.
>
> I wonder if anyone out there can identify what my problem is.  As I have
> never used complex hierarchy in Protel prior to this I am not sure - in
> spite of reading everything I believe is relevant in help - just what to
> expect as a result.
>
> Have had no trouble with standard simple hierarchy and have used it often.
>
> I have a basic 2 sheet schematic - a master & a simple module.  The master
> sheet references 27 copies of the module schematic (create symbol from
> sheet) and each module requires unique port (symbol I/O) references to be
> daisy-chained together in a systematic way on the master sheet to complete
> an electrically accurate drawing.
>
> My understanding is that when complex-simple menu option is selected from
> the master sheet, that child copies are made of the referenced modules and
> given unique names to flatten the hierarchy.  Protel does something (hour
> glass for a second or so) but I have no idea what - no complaints
whatsoever
> and no extra files are created Nor do any changes appear in the master
> drawing.
>
> I also understand that in addition I must re/annotate the entire design
and
> ensure that the various net & port scoping options are set correctly.
>
> So - current outcome is that ERC reports 3 or "Multiple Net Identifiers"
> errors and gives up.
> The implication is that the "flatten" utility is simply not working - at
> all.
>
> I have spent 4 hours experimenting with various switches and even
rebuilding
> the master sheet 2 different ways to see if anything would point to the
> problem - no luck.
>
> What's the magic formula anyone? I would be most grateful if anyone can
help
> me with this problem.
>
> I would be glad to attach my schematics (20K zipped) except I am not sure
> what the current 'rules' are with respect to attachments to postings in
this
> forum.  Anyone who wants I will send.
>
> ===
>
> While on this subject, I have 'taped up' - that should date me - the PCB
art
> for the repeated module.  How do I avoid many hours of work (AutoRoute is
> out of the question) by using this in a regular step & repeat fashion so
> that I easily get a full match with the netlist and all component
> designators of the design's schematics.  Is back annotate helpful here?
>
> Again, thanks in advance for any hints.
>
> Regards,
> Jim Parr (for ITB Consulting Ltd.)
>
>
>


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Re: [PEDA] Irregular pad shapes in Protel and How do you get fill s toassume net

[Colby - PowerStream]

Not sure if anyone brought this up yet or not... I didn't see it while
skimming the other messages.

If you are needing odd shaped pads for surface mount, you should be able to
use a combination of multiple pads to create the shape you want.

This must be done in the component definition in the library editor, and
must be brought in through the netlist.

If you are just modifying a part to be used in one project you could create
a project library and modify this part there.

For each single pad 'set', the individual pads that it consists of should
all have the same pad designator.  eg.  if Pad 'set' 1 is actually composed
of 3 individual pads just designate them all as 1.  When the netlist is
loaded these should ALL receive the net name, as well as the masking for the
SM pads.

There is sometimes a strange issue associated with this(it may be gone, I
have not checked) that if one of these pads has the net, but the others do
not and then you re-load the netlist... the netlist loader will get confused
and basically toggle them...  it will remove the net from the pad that has
it, and add it to the pads that were NoNet.
So... when this is done, and netlist is to be reloaded make sure that for
each pad 'set' they either ALL have the net, or NONE have the net to make
sure it is assigned properly.

I hope that helps.
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Re: [PEDA] BOARD WILL NOT ROUTE

[Colby - PowerStream]

A few things off the top of my head that can cause the router to fail that I
did not see mentioned yet..

Tracks on the Multilayer.

Polygons - These are sometimes 0 point polygons... which means you cannot
see them.  To find out if you have 0 point polygons do an Edit--Export to
spread and if polygons show as an option export them.  Then inspect the
spread sheet and check the point counts.

It is also a good idea to reset the Autoroute server after a failed
initialization.

I am also open to taking a look at the file for you if you feel you want to
send it directly to me.
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- Original Message -
From: "David W. Gulley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] BOARD WILL NOT ROUTE


> Bryan Bernesi wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Once again my board will not route.
> >
> > - I have a single schematic project.
> > - I have run ERC, no errors
> > - I made my PCB template using the board wizard
> > - I have placed all components
> > - I have run the DRC, no errors
> > - All my layers are set up
> >
> > When I run the autorouter it stops after initializing.
> >
> > Is there a way to systematically troubleshoot and find out the
> > reason why the autorouter stops without resorting to maybe this
> > or guess that, trial and error methods?


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Re: [PEDA] "Searching Network for Floating License"

[Colby - PowerStream]

Odd...

Let us know if you find the cause/cure.

I just noticed a new menu item in the Client Preferences "Notify when
another User Opens Document"

I doubt this has anything to do with it... but I noticed it while I was
digging around.

I tried to get mine to search for licenses... but the only way I can get it
to look is to go into Security to un-lock a server.

I hope you get it figured out.

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- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] "Searching Network for Floating License"


>
> None of the below suggestions works for me.
>
> I have only one machine on which Protel is in use, and it has permissions
for
> one user under each installed server. Yet it still sometimes runs the
check
> for floating licenses at startup. No other machine on the network would
have
> tride to grab its license, because no other machine is running Protel. So
it
> seems they've tried to bury the feature (with SP6), but goofed it up
somehow.
>
> Steve Hendrix
>
> In a message dated 3/27/01 10:43:26 AM Eastern

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Re: [PEDA] "Searching Network for Floating License"

[Colby - PowerStream]

> > I believe that this was answered a while ago by Colby (ex-Protel
> > Tech support). His comment was that Protel had removed the ability to
remove
> > the floating licenses check sometime recently in one of the service
packs (5
> > or 6?). If my memory has failed me then someone will step in and correct
it.

This is a bit different.  I was talking about the checkboxes that were there
for a short time to Broadcast and Receive the license information...  that
was removed with a service pack.


> If so, that's at least annoying to me. Startup is slow enough as it is - I
> don't need the added aggravation of waiting thru something that "big
brother"
> decided I needed to have on, especially while I've got an anxious customer
> waiting on the phone for me to get a design up in front of me and ready to
> discuss. Protel, please consider this as one strident vote for restoring
the
> ability to turn off the search for floating licenses.

Just to float a guess here...  it will only look for floating licenses when
the license installed to the local machine has already been picked up by
another workstation, or it just is not there.  I haven't really played
around with this too much... but this would be my guess.

To get it to stop I would try going into the security section of Protel 99
SE(Arrow in upper left-->Security) and make sure your access code is listed
for each server, and that access has been granted for each server for X
Users.

If you find a server that is missing the code... type it in and make sure
access was granted.

If you have multiple licenses I would suggest manually entering each of them
into the machine that is acting like this.

Basically... I don't think it is normal behavior... so there must be a way
to get it to stop.

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Re: [PEDA] Arc's in the keepout

[Colby - PowerStream]

No, you did the right thing.

For Autorouting, you can use arcs, but they must somehow be contained within
an enclosed polygon shape keepout with no arcs.  You have to enclose corner
arcs with a 90 degree corner etc.

To make a circular board you would create the keepout circle(arc) and then
surround it with a rectangle so it will work.  The router will stay within
the circle, but requires the rectangle to initialize.

Then... remove the 'workaround' tracks when you are done if you do not want
them.

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- Original Message -
From: "Ted Tontis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel Forum (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:21 AM
Subject: [PEDA] Arc's in the keepout


> I have a design that has arc's in the keepout, and noticed that
> Protel will not recognize it exists. The only thing I can do is put
> temporary traces around the edge of the board and remove them after I am
> done with the design or auto router.
> Does anyone have a better idea to resolve this problem?
>
> Ted Tontis
> Engage Networks Inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> PH 414.273.7600 Ext. 7607
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Re: [PEDA] problem w/ ports on Protel Schematic Service pack 6

[Colby - PowerStream]

Bill,

A couple things... I just did a little checking... maybe this applies to
your situation.

I placed a long port... saved the schematic and then re-opened it and turned
the OrCad ports option on.  The port size changed to the OrCad size
port(length 70).

I closed the schematic(no save) and re-opened it... still OrCad size...
Turned the option off... still OrCad size...
Closed the Schematic and re-open it... back to normal(long port).
Turn OrCad Ports back on and save schematic and repeat above and the size
does NOT recover.

When you turn the OrCad ports option off I did not see the ports change back
immediately, to see the change you have to close the schematic(without
saving it) and re-open it while the option is turned off... this will
restore them to their original size.

If you saved the schematic while the OrCad ports option was on, then I
believe it also saved the ports at their current size, and they would have
to be changed back manually.

I hope this helps.

If you saved it while the option was on... you may be able to get going from
a back-up copy.

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- Original Message -
From: "Brooks,Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] problem w/ ports on Protel Schematic Service pack 6


> Well, I uninstalled the protel software and re-installed from the CD and
> updated to sp5 and the problem persists!!! It seems the software is
changing
> the length of the little boxes around the ports ... although I don't
> understand how the re-installed software KNEW where the last file I had
been
> working on was!!! It obviously didn't uninstall everything!!! Otherwise it
> would not have know where to look for the file...
> Does this give anyone a clue as you what is going on?
> Bill Brooks
> PCB Design Engineer
> DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS INC.
> 3030 Enterprise Court
> Vista, CA 92083
> Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> IPC Designers Council, San Diego Chapter
> http://www.ipc.org/SanDiego/
> http://home.fda.net/bbrooks/pca/pca.htm
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Isabelle BAUDRY [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 9:53 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] problem w/ ports on Protel Schematic Service pack 6
>
>
> Bill,
>
> The reason may be that you have selected "Orcad Ports" in the form
> /Tools/Preferences/schematics by mistake.
>
> Isabelle Baudry
> - CIRPACK -
> 13 rue Salomon de Rothschild
> F-92150 Suresnes
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> fax: +33 1 41 44 37 61
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>
>
> -Message d'origine-
> De : Brooks,Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Envoy  : mardi 17 avril 2001 18:18
>   : 'Protel EDA Forum'
> Objet : [PEDA] problem w/ ports on Protel Schematic Service pack 6
>
>
> Another weird problem
>
> I have a schematic that was edited by another user here that looks fine on
> his machine... but when I pull it up the ports all change in length and
are
> not connected properly. Anyone seen this effect? Maybe I have some setting
> that's wrong? or he does? can anyone clarify what's going on? I pull the
> same file up in 98 and it looks fine!!!
> Whets happening here?



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Re: [PEDA] Anyone else seeing unstable Desktop Icons?

[Colby - PowerStream]

Phil,

I had seen this a few times before while running Win2k.

I was never able to reproduce it or track down the cause of it seemingly
very random and also seemingly harmless( I never noticed any problems caused
by it).

If you find how to reproduce it I would love to know... just to free up some
space in that section of my mind where un-solved issues reside and churn
looking for an answer.

It does not happen to me on the machine I run now.

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- Original Message -
From: "Phillip Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 1:02 PM
Subject: [PEDA] Anyone else seeing unstable Desktop Icons?


>
> I have started a new project in the last few days,  using Protel99 SE
> SP6,  and Windows 98.
>
> Before starting the project,  the desktop icons were correct and
> stable.  In the last few days,  always sometime after having run Protel,
I
> have experienced 3 occurrences of desktop icons having been changed to
> another type of icon.
>
> For example,  after bringing up a net list in wordpad,  several of my
> .doc icons suddenly started displaying my email client icon.
>
> So far it seems to be a random event.  Trying to create a reproducible
> test case.  Not a real problem for me,  just wondering if anyone else
> has seen this?
>
> ---Phil
>


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Re: [PEDA] cutting a hole in the soldermask

[Colby - PowerStream]

I think that becuase it was marked as a Keepout it will not be included in
your plots when generated.

Objects Marked as a Keepout can be viewed in a print if you select the
option to show them, but I think they are always left off of the plots I
have not tested this with the Solder Mask layers but I would assume it
to be the same... as Keepouts shouldn't be necessary on a solder layer.

Because you can assign a rule to one specific pad, however, making the
design rule would be your best option for sure.

But reading through what you wrote... it sounds like your concern might be
getting a polygon plane to connect to it but I could be reading more
into it than there really is ;)

If this is also what you are trying to do, you need to make sure that the
mounting hole/pad has been assigned to the same net of the polygon you wish
to connect to you can set this in the pad properties or through
Design-->Netlist Manager

If you want it to connect directly with no air gaps, you need to make a
Polygon Connect Style rule for that pad and have it direct connect and then
re-pour the polygon.

Anyway... I hope that is helpful.

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> > Hi,
> >
> > I've been unsuccessful in pulling the solder mask back around mounting
> holes
> > to let the ground plane through. My method was to place a keep out
circle
> > around the hole on the solder mask layer and generate the ground plane.
> What
> > did I do wrong?
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Ken


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Re: [PEDA] Duplicating pieces of a layout

[Colby - PowerStream]

Well, here is what I thought of

Rather than pasting it into ths same PCB file create a copy of the PCB file
and open the new copy.  And paste your corresponding section into a new
schematic as you did... but leave it out of the hierarchy for the first part
of this.

Close the original schematic and PCB.

Check the Synchronization on the two new documents(this should also serve
the purpose of making sure the proper components are 'linked' to each other)

Re-annotate the Schematic to use a new designtator series.(In the Advanced
section of the Annotation process)

Now Update the new copy of the PCB to change all the designators to match
the re-annotation and update any nets that may have changed names due to the
annotation.

Now if you need to move the new copy of the PCB anywhere else(like back to
the original PCB document).  First select it all, then copy it to the
clipboard.

Leaving the PCB file you are copying from Open, go to the PCB file you want
to paste it into.

Instead of doing a normal Ctrl+V Paste, go to Edit-->Paste Special.

Here you will have the option to Duplicate Designator(Suppress the adding of
the _1 suffix), and Keep Net Name(so that all net information is retained in
the selection).

Now, even if the new PCB is on the same file as the original, you should be
able to plug the new schematic into the hierarchy and synchronize and all
designators should match up.

I didn't actually test to see if this works... but it should do the trick.

There may be an easier way as well... but this is what popped into my head
when I saw the question.

I hope that it helps.

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- Original Message -
From: "Tim Hutcheson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 7:50 AM
Subject: [PEDA] Duplicating pieces of a layout


> Today I tried to duplicate a section of a dual-cpu board, call it CPU1
(with
> all its associated parts.)  When I do that on the PCB, each part of the
> duplicated pcb layout has a _1 suffixed to it.  Fine.  Now for the purpose
> of duplicating the schematic representation of that, I copied the
> corresponding schematic section onto a new sheet (part of a multi-sheet
> project) expecting P99SE to create the same suffixed relationship of the
new
> parts, which would be fine for my purpose as I expected to renumber and
> synchronize later.  However I couldn't reproduce the PCB behavior in
copying
> the parts, that is, no _1 suffixes.  The motivation is to create a
> synchronizable match between the PCB and SCH layouts which can then be
> renumbered.
>
> So how does one do this correctly?
>
>
> regards,
> Tim Hutcheson
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>

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Re: [PEDA] Duplicating pieces of a layout

[Colby - PowerStream]

I am not sure if this is relevant to what you are trying to do
specifically... But if I remember correctly the reference to Complex
hierarchy in the manual actually refers to the way it worked in 98... I
don't have my manual handy to check.

Either way... if you haven't looked at this KB article you may want to give
it a glance.  It describes Complex hierarchy and the way the complex to
simple function works in 99 and 99SE.

http://www.protel.com/earticles/complex_hier_P99.htm

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- Original Message -
From: "Tim Hutcheson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Duplicating pieces of a layout


> Thanks Colby.  I'll try to follow that through as time goes by today.
Right
> now, I'm testing all that I can about multi-sheet and in particular the
> "complex" hierarchy method described in my manual.  But not having any
luck
> so far as the Create Netlist method doesn't seem to create the second cpu
in
> the .net file yet. :o(  Just a matter of time...and time...and time.
>
> regards,
>
> Tim Hutcheson
> Institute for Human and Machine Cognition
> 40 S. Alcaniz St.
> Pensacola, FL  32503
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [PEDA] Duplicating pieces of a layout

[Colby - PowerStream]

Exactly =)

In the article I pointed to one of the final lines is.

"You must then annotate the design to ensure that all designators are
unique"

Basically what this document tells you is how to copy the schematics, change
the name of the schematics, change the name of the sheet symbol, re-annotate
the schematic and then run the Complex to Simple process so you can turn the
'Link' copy you made into a 'Real' copy of the file.

You can accomplish the same thing by just making an actual 'Real' copy of
the file to begin with, then follow the same instructions and skip the part
where you run the Complex to Simple process.. since the file is an actual
copy and not a link there is no need to run the process.

You really only need:
A copy of the schematic with a new name
Unique designators
And a sheet symbol to tie the new sheet in to the hierarchy.

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- Original Message -
From: "Tim Hutcheson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Duplicating pieces of a layout


> Thanks for the link.  So far, when I do the final step, "complex to
simple",
> it still creates a drawing similar to what I would have created by just
> copying the desired section of the schematic - with the same designators
> duplicated (U2 is U2 in both sub-sheets now).  And when I create the
> netlist, I don't see the second CPU in the list - that is, the original
CPU
> is U2 and I see that defined and references to it.  But there is no U2_1
or
> such created in the netlist.  In fact it seems to not know that the new
> "duplicate" sheet exists.
>
> regards,
>
> Tim Hutcheson
> Institute for Human and Machine Cognition
> 40 S. Alcaniz St.
> Pensacola, FL  32503
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ICQ# 32491889
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Colby - PowerStream [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:57 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Duplicating pieces of a layout
>
>
> I am not sure if this is relevant to what you are trying to do
> specifically... But if I remember correctly the reference to Complex
> hierarchy in the manual actually refers to the way it worked in 98... I
> don't have my manual handy to check.
>
> Either way... if you haven't looked at this KB article you may want to
give
> it a glance.  It describes Complex hierarchy and the way the complex to
> simple function works in 99 and 99SE.
>
> http://www.protel.com/earticles/complex_hier_P99.htm
>
> Regards,
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Re: [PEDA] Duplicating pieces of a layout

[Colby - PowerStream]

This did work differently in Protel 98.

But...  I think you understand how it works now.

I could be wrong, but I never could find a way to get the complex to simple
to function like it did in Protel 98.

If someone knows a way please share =)

I think however it was done in Protel 98 was not ported over to Protel 99SE
due to the different way that files are handled within the database.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I hope it saves you a little time
from struggling and trying to get it to 'work right'.

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- Original Message -
From: "Tim Hutcheson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Duplicating pieces of a layout


> So what's the point of all this complex hierarchy stuff if it doesn't add
> the important bits automatically?  As it stands I wind up maintaining two
> flattened copies of the CPU section or maintaining one "complex hierarchy"
> copy and having to manually edit all the designators when I flatten it.
> Surely this isn't what they meant me to do, is it?
>
> regards,
>
> Tim Hutcheson
> Institute for Human and Machine Cognition
> 40 S. Alcaniz St.
> Pensacola, FL  32503
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ICQ# 32491889
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Colby - PowerStream [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:44 PM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Duplicating pieces of a layout
>
>
> Exactly =)
>
> In the article I pointed to one of the final lines is.
>
> "You must then annotate the design to ensure that all designators are
> unique"
>
> Basically what this document tells you is how to copy the schematics,
change
> the name of the schematics, change the name of the sheet symbol,
re-annotate
> the schematic and then run the Complex to Simple process so you can turn
the
> 'Link' copy you made into a 'Real' copy of the file.
>
> You can accomplish the same thing by just making an actual 'Real' copy of
> the file to begin with, then follow the same instructions and skip the
part
> where you run the Complex to Simple process.. since the file is an actual
> copy and not a link there is no need to run the process.
>
> You really only need:
> A copy of the schematic with a new name
> Unique designators
> And a sheet symbol to tie the new sheet in to the hierarchy.
>
> Regards,
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Tim Hutcheson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Duplicating pieces of a layout
>
>
> > Thanks for the link.  So far, when I do the final step, "complex to
> simple",
> > it still creates a drawing similar to what I would have created by just
> > copying the desired section of the schematic - with the same designators
> > duplicated (U2 is U2 in both sub-sheets now).  And when I create the
> > netlist, I don't see the second CPU in the list - that is, the original
> CPU
> > is U2 and I see that defined and references to it.  But there is no U2_1
> or
> > such created in the netlist.  In fact it seems to not know that the new
> > "duplicate" sheet exists.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Tim Hutcheson
> > Institute for Human and Machine Cognition
> > 40 S. Alcaniz St.
> > Pensacola, FL  32503
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ICQ# 32491889
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Colby - PowerStream [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:57 AM
> > To: Protel EDA Forum
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Duplicating pieces of a layout
> >
> >
> > I am not sure if this is relevant to what you are trying to do
> > specifically... But if I remember 

Re: [PEDA] Duplicating pieces of a layout

[Colby - PowerStream]

I just copied a PCB, and used Paste Special and checked Keep Net Name and
Duplicate Designator.

I could see nowhere that this would cause an error on the PCB due to using
the same designator twice... just Broken Net errors.

There is an option in the preferences to Remove Duplicates... I have this
turned off... but I am unsure if this would effect panelizing in this
way I didn't check.

The only time I could see this being a problem is if you needed to update it
from some later schematic changes... then just go back to one single, update
it and check it... and paste it again when you are done.

Make sure the single version is completely checked before you make the
panels.  As long as you paste it the right way there should be no need to
check it for errors after copying.

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- Original Message -
From: "Saddle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Duplicating pieces of a layout


> But what about if you just want to add the same design a couple of times
to
> a PCB Panel. IS there a way to turn off the _1 extensions and ignore the
> resulting same part name errors? This would be after doing all the checks
on
> the single instance version.
>
> Curious,
>
> Saddle (In the land of Oz)
> "Whatever happened to Edit and Plot? I remember them fondly."
>
>
> I am not sure if this is relevant to what you are trying to do
> specifically... But if I remember correctly the reference to Complex
> hierarchy in the manual actually refers to the way it worked in 98... I
> don't have my manual handy to check.
>
> Either way... if you haven't looked at this KB article you may want to
give
> it a glance.  It describes Complex hierarchy and the way the complex to
> simple function works in 99 and 99SE.
>
> http://www.protel.com/earticles/complex_hier_P99.htm
>
> Regards,
> --
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>** Custom Power Supplies
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>
> http://www.PowerStream.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tim Hutcheson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 10:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Duplicating pieces of a layout
>
>
> > Thanks Colby.  I'll try to follow that through as time goes by today.
> Right
> > now, I'm testing all that I can about multi-sheet and in particular the
> > "complex" hierarchy method described in my manual.  But not having any
> luck
> > so far as the Create Netlist method doesn't seem to create the second
cpu
> in
> > the .net file yet. :o(  Just a matter of time...and time...and time.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Tim Hutcheson
> > Institute for Human and Machine Cognition
> > 40 S. Alcaniz St.
> > Pensacola, FL  32503
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ICQ# 32491889
> >
> >
>

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Re: [PEDA] Rotate problems?

[Colby - PowerStream]

Richard,

There is not a Toggle command for it that I am aware of... but you can make
two buttons, or two seperate menu items for it.

Use the Process:
PCB:SetupPreferences

With the Parameters:
ComponentDrag=None
Or
ComponentDrag=ConnectedTracks
Or
ComponentDrag=EnclosedTracks

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- Original Message -
From: "Richard Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Rotate problems?


> Yippee, It works.
>
> Now, is there a way to assign this process to a button or key press so i
> don't have to keep going to the Tools/Preferences all the time?
>
> Rich
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Colby - PowerStream [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 10 August 2001 21:09
> > To: Protel EDA Forum
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Rotate problems?
> >
> > I just noticed this thread I can help!
> >
> > Just one of those interesting little nuggets of joyous Protel knowledge
I
> > am
> > lucky to have.
> >
> > The reason they will not rotate when using M>C is because you have the
> > component drag mode set to Connected Tracks.
> >
> > In PCB go to Tools>Preferences under the Options tab and change the
> > Component Drag mode to None.
> >
> > Once this is set to none you will be able to rotate the components while
> > using M>C.  If you change it back to Connected Tracks you will no longer
> > be
> > able to rotate using M>C.
> >
> > Try it out for yourself!  :)
> >
> > I hope this helps :)
> >
> > --
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> >
> > http://www.PowerStream.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Brad Velander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 12:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Rotate problems?
> >
> >
> > > Ok,
> > > are we all talking about the same process. Press "M" (move), "C"
> > > (component), with the option button for jump to cursor selected within
> > the
> > > window? Or is there some other keystroke which is giving the jump to
> > cursor
> > > function that you mention?
> > > My mode of operating I use the "jump to cursor" radio button within
> > > the component list window selected. Once I select a component by
> > clicking
> > or
> > > entering the designator, it jumps to my cursor and I press the
spacebar
> > to
> > > rotate. Works every time.
> > > However, I believe that I did see a problem once long time ago with
> > > the rotate but it disappeared on it's own never to show it's face
again.
> > > That would have been on a earlier service pack, I am currently using
SP6
> > > just in case that is an issue.
> > >
> > > Brad Velander,
> > > Lead PCB Designer,
> > > Norsat International Inc.,
> > > #300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr.,
> > > Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9.
> > > Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct
> > > Fax (604) 292-9010
> > > website www.norsat.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Darryl Newberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 11:18 AM
> > > > To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> > > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Rotate problems?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It doesn't work on my P99 SE.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
>

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

[Colby - PowerStream]

After reading(skimming) through the other replies there were a few things I
didn't see mentioned.

1. Make sure you are both upgraded to the latest Service Pack for Protel
SP6.
2. Make sure the Design did not somehow become read-only in the
transfer(this should only show an error if he was not upgraded to the latest
service pack... but previous SP's would cause an error if the file is
read-only)
3. Make sure you are both upgraded to the MDAC 2.5(2.6 is out... but I
*still* haven't gotten around to testing it out with Protel)
http://www.microsoft.com/data/download.htm

And of course... to repeat... definitely make sure all files are closed
before sending it.

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- Original Message -
From: "Robison Michael R CNIN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??


> it isn't broke on my system...  ivan just can't open it on his
> machine.  like i said, since i can't send him an actual powsup.pcb,
> i sent him the whole darned ddb.  maybe thats not the way to move
> a job from one pc to another, but thats the method i tried, anyway.
>
> bottom line:  the ddb works fine on my machine.  i email it to
> him and get the access violation error.  maybe all the information
> was not contained in the ddb.
>
> thanks, miker
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ted Tontis [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:11 PM
> > To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
> >
> > have you tried to repair the data base?
> >
> > Ted
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:54 PM
> > To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> > Subject: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
> >
> >
> > hi everybody,
> >
> > well, i'm not having a banner day here.  somebody else here needs
> > to look at a pcb of mine in protel.  since i'm using ddb's (it was
either
> > ddb's or not be able to read the footprints libraries) of course, there
> > is no actual powsup.pcb.  so i emailed him a 20MB ddb.
> >
> > we're still hosed...  he tries to open it using the protel browse and
> > gets an "access violation at address xxx in client 99SE.exe".
> >
> > what do i need to do so he can use the file?
> >
> > thank you, miker
>

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Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??

[Colby - PowerStream]

I am pretty sure SP6 for NT doesn't update what you will get from this 2.5
MDAC install I am almost positive... but I don't have an NT system to
check anymore :(

I would download and install it anyway.

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- Original Message -
From: "Robison Michael R CNIN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??


> just finished installing SP6.  thank goodness the net was not bottlenecked
> today...  the darn thing is 12MB!  have yet to get the new file from
> microsoft,
> although i would bet that with NT4 sp6, i probably already have it.
>
> thanks, miker
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jon Elson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:53 PM
> > To: Protel EDA Forum
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] ddb transfer failure ??
> >
> >
> >
> > Robison Michael R CNIN wrote:
> >
> > > thanks colby,
> > >
> > > i just called ivan and asked if he had tried the zipped ddb that i
sent
> > him.
> > > the file was also not opened in protel when i zipped it. protel wasn't
> > even
> > > open.  ivan's gonna give it a shot immediately.
> > >
> > > but one thing you mentioned definitely threw up a flag.  i have never
> > > installed any of the service packs.  while ivan is trying the zipped
ddb
> > i
> > > sent him, i'll go to the protel site and see if i can find the service
> > pack.
> >
> > GASP!  How do you get any work done with it?  Maybe you already have
> > some of the service packs in the distribution, it depends on when you
got
> > your CDs.
> >
> > > and i'll go to the microsoft site and get the latest mdac, whatever
that
> > is.
> > > is it a new windows DLL?
> >
> > Yes, I could barely get mine to work until I got updates for the Jet
> > Database.
> > But, then, I had a very old Win 95 system.
> >
> > Jon
>

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Re: [PEDA] one or the other

[Colby - PowerStream]

Unfortunately there is no way to tell the synchronizer to ignore a
symbol(not that I know of)

And although you don't want them on the schematic I think this is the only
way to do it(aside from unchecking the Delete components box in the
synchronizer)

To get around the issue of having wire pads, heatsinks, et. al. from being
deleted when Synchronizing we just use a symbol on the schematic for them.

For wires we use a simple Arrow with a pin on it and assign a footprint for
the size of pad we will need for the given wire gauge.  This is also applied
when doing Mounting holes, they will usually be placed in a row in a bottom
corner of the sheet.  This saves the time of manually adding the net on the
PCB.  Make sure you put a ring of silk screen around the pad's footprint if
you go this way... otherwise the pad is difficult to modify as a
component click on the silk screen ring to modify the component, and
click on the pad to modify the pad.

For Heatsinks we have a symbol with no pins, that is assigned to the
heatsink footprint so that it does not disappear when Synch'ing.

We have also, at times, used either an existing or completely separate sheet
in the schematic hierarchy to include mechanical, or 'Off-Board' items for
BOM generation.  When these items are included in a sheet that also contains
PCB components they are designated in a manner to make them easily
distinguishable in the error messages so that they can be ignored.
Alternatively, if they are on a completely separate sheet you can choose to
temporarily remove this sheet from the hierarchy by deleting it's sheet
symbol and just replace the sheet symbol for this page when doing BOM
generation only.

I would like to see two checkboxes added to the Schematic Symbols.
NoBOM
NoPCB
I would still like them to be listed while Synch'ing for verification
purposes, but not generating errors, just showing information and being
separated into their respective categories.

Not sure if that will help... but there it is =)

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- Original Message -
From: "Richard Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 3:17 AM
Subject: [PEDA] one or the other


> Hi
> Can anyone tell me how to place a component on to a schematic without
being
> on a pcb and vica versa?  (using syncronizer on Protel 99SESP6)
>
> ie.  on a scematic I have symbols in the library for safety critical
> information etc by certain components. info only, no footprint.  however
> (D)esign/Update (P)cb thinks it should update this to the board then
> complains that it can't find a footprint!!
>
> Then on a pcb i have things like holes and heatsinks that i do not want on
> the schematic and again the Synconizer complains and/or tries to delete
them
> depending on which way i am synconizing!
>
> Am I missing something simple?
>
> As always Many thanks
>
> Rich
>
>
>
>
> Rich Thompson
> Research & Development
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