Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-03-12 Thread Patrick Moore
That's perfect! On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:50 AM, WETH erlhous...@gmail.com wrote: From the current issue of the *New Yorker:* On Wednesday, March 11, 2015 at 9:11:23 AM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote: Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but this picture posted yesterday on a Crazyguyonabike

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2015-03-11 Thread Matthew J
Brilliant. So on point. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

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2015-03-11 Thread Edwin W
I've been following that journal and he is pretty amusing. As are Boris and Antoine. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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2015-03-11 Thread Matthew J
Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but this picture posted yesterday on a Crazyguyonabike journal I've been following is so typical of the way European (and many Asian) cycle tourists dress just had to link. The two in the picture are currently in Thailand have ridden overland from France.

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2015-03-11 Thread WETH
From the current issue of the *New Yorker:* On Wednesday, March 11, 2015 at 9:11:23 AM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote: Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but this picture posted yesterday on a Crazyguyonabike journal I've been following is so typical of the way European (and many Asian) cycle

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2015-03-11 Thread Matthew J
Yeah. Hats off to him for putting so much effort into the journal. When I tour come the end of the dead I pretty much crash into a heap wherever I stop my bike. On Wednesday, March 11, 2015 at 5:17:46 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote: I've been following that journal and he is pretty amusing. As are

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2015-03-02 Thread John
This all reminds me I personally need to be WAY MORE tolerant WAY MORE patient and give everyone the benefit of the doubt that they may just be having a bad day, or I just don't understand where they are coming from. Besides, my Hawaiian shirts, Luxos headlight, 2 sets of MonkeyLectric Monkey

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-27 Thread Jim Bronson
You use your bike as the shopping cart??? Hmm never thought of that. I guess the floors are concrete, at least at my grocer they are. Wald baskets? On Feb 26, 2015 8:41 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: You must have walked in SPDs? And my Ram and '03 custom carry groceries just

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2015-02-27 Thread Mark Reimer
Hah Marc, that gave me a laugh. Reminds me of last summer, I was riding my Atlantis with a big ol basket down a smooth paved road, moderate pace. I came up alongside a guy riding a brand new Look carbon bike. It was by all means a thoroughbred race machine. We got to a pair of railway tracks at

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2015-02-27 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 02/26/2015 09:54 AM, Marc Irwin wrote: This reminds me of the first charity ride I did on my Hillborne (with Bosco Bars). A rider came up beside me, asked about the bike, then asked why anybody would want a bike like that? I said, I can take this to the grocery store, ride a metric

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-27 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 02/27/2015 01:14 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: When your bike weighs 90 pounds, a 2nd top tube may actually be doing you some good! I cannot agree and feel compelled to reply because I think others could be misled. I'm no heavyweight (170 lbs.) and commute on a 2-TT 60cm

RE: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-27 Thread Doug Williams
@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Paulson Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 9:35 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor I often stop by the grocery store on the way home from a ride. If I don't have a lock with me, I use

RE: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-27 Thread Doug Williams
@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor You use your bike as the shopping cart??? Hmm never thought of that. I guess the floors are concrete, at least at my grocer they are. Wald baskets? On Feb 26, 2015 8:41 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote

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2015-02-27 Thread James Warren
If the store manager complains, I wonder if they could be convinced that the bike is less intrusive than the store's own wheeled carts. Less wide and tires that are probably a tiny bit less likely to mark the floor. (Those swiveling shopping cart wheels are less in control and sometimes scrape

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-27 Thread Jim Bronson
Man if they were going to name a bike after me, they could have at least made a tall enough frame. On Feb 27, 2015 1:26 AM, David Yu Greenblatt david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com wrote: That Steve Peat fellow knows how to have fun on a bike. s24o in Scotland: https://vimeo.com/67430580 Going

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2015-02-27 Thread 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch
If it isn't the frame than I suppose it must be the Sugino crank. Something's flexing. Matt On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 4:46:38 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 02/27/2015 01:14 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: When your bike weighs 90 pounds, a 2nd top tube may

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-27 Thread Mark Reimer
What kind of crank is it? Some cranks with small BCD and large, stamped rings can flex a lot. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:58 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: If it isn't the frame than I suppose it must be the Sugino crank. Something's flexing.

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-27 Thread Patrick Moore
*To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor I often stop by the grocery store on the way home from a ride. If I don't have a lock with me, I use the two wheeled grocery cart. Sent from my iPad On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:57 PM

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2015-02-27 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor Bazinga! On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:25 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.commailto:tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Tire labels not lined up with the valve stems!??!?? DISAPPROVE On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 4:20:14 PM UTC-8

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-27 Thread Patrick Moore
If I have a bike with a Wald basket, it's such a beater that I can safely park it unlocked outside. No, large saddlebags and, usually, panniers. When my daughter was very small -- 2 1/2 to 4 or so -- I'd walk from my house to the nearest Albertson's 1/4 mile away, Catie riding, first, a pneumatic

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2015-02-27 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
] On Behalf Of Goshen Peter Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 7:29 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor Bazinga! On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:25 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.commailto:tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Tire labels not lined up

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2015-02-27 Thread 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch
It's the standard Sugino XD 600. On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 9:59:33 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote: What kind of crank is it? Some cranks with small BCD and large, stamped rings can flex a lot. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:58 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-27 Thread Trenker
If you call yourself an Unracer doesn't that mean you still have some form of preoccupation with racing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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2015-02-27 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro
On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:36:30 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 02/26/2015 08:06 PM, Doug Williams wrote: Perfect Geir! Just wear whatever works for the ride you will be doing. Exercise clothes or racing kit are fine if that is what you are doing. Nothing wrong with

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-27 Thread Bill Lindsay
Totally. Let's all be Un-Unracers! Oh, wait...darnit! On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 2:52:14 PM UTC-8, Trenker wrote: If you call yourself an Unracer doesn't that mean you still have some form of preoccupation with racing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

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2015-02-26 Thread dougP
No problem keeping the beer cool. dougP On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 8:03:24 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: That Atlantis looks haaawt with those Nanoraptors! On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Mark Reimer markn...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Anton, I got you! I'm not from

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Anne Paulson
I often stop by the grocery store on the way home from a ride. If I don't have a lock with me, I use the two wheeled grocery cart. Sent from my iPad On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 02/26/2015 09:40 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: You must have walked in

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch
When your bike weighs 90 pounds, a 2nd top tube may actually be doing you some good! I cannot agree and feel compelled to reply because I think others could be misled. I'm no heavyweight (170 lbs.) and commute on a 2-TT 60cm Hillborne. Granted I carry a commuters load in the rear but nothing

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread David Yu Greenblatt
That Steve Peat fellow knows how to have fun on a bike. s24o in Scotland: https://vimeo.com/67430580 Going for a little spin with 3 of his pals on 650b bikes in France: https://vimeo.com/63027254 David G in San Diego On Feb 26, 2015, at 2:55 PM, Mark Reimer marknrei...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Mark Reimer
Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that... http://theradavist.com/2015/02/santa-cruz-stigmata-cross-video/ On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:53 PM, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote: It's odd, no spandex hamsters riding now. I guess riding across the minus whatever, snow and ice covered darkness on studded

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2015-02-26 Thread Hugh Smitham
Well that should sell a bunch of stretchy light weight bikey stuff! I had to stop half way through the video to catch my breath ;) Fun to watch. On Feb 26, 2015 2:55 PM, Mark Reimer marknrei...@gmail.com wrote: Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that...

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2015-02-26 Thread Goshen Peter
Bill, I always thought it would have been great to get my silca painted to match the bombadil so from a feet away TRIPLE TUBED! On Feb 26, 2015 6:05 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Well that should sell a bunch of stretchy light weight bikey stuff! I had to stop half way

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2015-02-26 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor Bill, I always thought it would have been great to get my silca painted to match the bombadil so from a feet away TRIPLE TUBED! On Feb 26, 2015 6:05 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.commailto:hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Well that should

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2015-02-26 Thread Patrick Moore
* Modern cycling jerseys are, IME, very comfortable.ˆ* Andy: first, not at all a snark attack. I am desperately seeking hot weather jerseys that don't stink after 15 minutes of riding. Wool is no good for me in temperatures much over 70F. No one I know of makes cotton knit jerseys. Can you

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2015-02-26 Thread Kieran J
Late to this thread - interesting and well-articulated perspectives all around, as per RBWOB usual. For me, the crux of the issue is that people should find a system that works for them, go with it, and own it. For me, that extends throughout life and is an intrinsic part of living in a

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2015-02-26 Thread Marc Irwin
This reminds me of the first charity ride I did on my Hillborne (with Bosco Bars). A rider came up beside me, asked about the bike, then asked why anybody would want a bike like that? I said, I can take this to the grocery store, ride a metric century comfortably, or take a trip over the

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2015-02-26 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro
Patrick: The two Steves speak the truth. I generally get free jerseys from charity rides or pick some up from Long's when they're on sale. I've had some smell a little after a century in humid Wisconsin summer weather, but not badly. It may be that some of us generate more toxic sweat than

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2015-02-26 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro
No, it was just a low-grade double, IIRC. This would have been some time around '97. On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 7:24:00 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 02/26/2015 04:10 AM, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote: Grant is a marketeer and an interesting person. To some extent, he *is*

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2015-02-26 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 02/26/2015 09:22 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: / Modern cycling jerseys are, IME, very comfortable.ˆ/ / / Andy: first, not at all a snark attack. I am desperately seeking hot weather jerseys that don't stink after 15 minutes of riding. Wool is no good for me in temperatures much over 70F. No

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2015-02-26 Thread islaysteve
I'm another Steve in the DC Metro area and my experience from when I was riding regularly in the summer was similar to Steve P's. The shorts were ride once and wash, for anti fungal reasons, but jerseys did not necessarily need to be washed every time. I used mostly Pearl Isumi jerseys, in

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2015-02-26 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks. Oh well. My 2 Pearl Izumi summer jerseys stink as quickly as the others. Wool, OTOH, can go for 8 hours of riding without offending the nearby public (I sweat in winter, too). And yes, I do bathe daily -- my cotton shirts can go at least 2 full day wearings without being offensive. Moving

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2015-02-26 Thread Brewster Fong
On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 3:15:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 02/25/2015 05:39 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: Now, this is nothing but anedotal and just one example, but for my buddy, the right tool got him going! I don't care what it was made out of, but the supposedly

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2015-02-26 Thread Daniel D.
Things are nicer when people are advocates for what they like rather than opponents of what they dislike. No need to come across as mean or judgmental( Grant's own words in the intro to Just Ride) we're just talking about bikes... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

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2015-02-26 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Annnd we have reached the dead of winter! From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:13 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Brewster Fong
On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: I own a 56cm Rivendell with a second top tube. Brewster Fong thinks my bicycle is stupid and worthy of ridicule. I think my bicycle is beautiful and I love riding it. My Bomba

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2015-02-26 Thread Jim Bronson
Craig Calfee is one of the few guys I'd trust to sell me a crabon fiber bike appropriate for my weight and intended usage. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: I own a 56cm Rivendell

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2015-02-26 Thread Bill Lindsay
Brewster My Bombadil is quite stiff. Bikes that plane are really flexible. My Bombadil does not plane. My Rawland Stag with 7/4/7 standard diameter top tube and downtube does plane. My Bombadil is very stout. I use it for camping and trail riding. At times, I am carrying most of the gear

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2015-02-26 Thread Mark Reimer
The only thing I dislike about my Atlantis is that it doesn't have a double top tube. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I own a 56cm Rivendell with a second top tube. Brewster Fong thinks my bicycle is stupid and worthy of ridicule. I think my bicycle

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2015-02-26 Thread Bill Lindsay
I own a 56cm Rivendell with a second top tube. Brewster Fong thinks my bicycle is stupid and worthy of ridicule. I think my bicycle is beautiful and I love riding it. My Bomba https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/8474652710/in/set-72157632769612752 Brewster Fong thinks it is wrong

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2015-02-26 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 02/26/2015 03:10 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: Brewster My Bombadil is quite stiff. Bikes that plane are really flexible. My Bombadil does not plane. My Rawland Stag with 7/4/7 standard diameter top tube and downtube does plane. My Bombadil is very stout. I use it for camping and trail

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2015-02-26 Thread Bill Lindsay
the second top tube is also a terriffic handle for portaging it up the stairs to BART On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 12:49:45 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 02/26/2015 03:10 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: Brewster My Bombadil is quite stiff. Bikes that plane are really flexible.

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2015-02-26 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro
Grant is a marketeer and an interesting person. To some extent, he *is* trying to get people to drink his Kool-Aid because that's his market space. I well recall when he was selling an older Campy front derailer. It had an oversized clamp, so he sold it with a plastic sleeve that you used

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-26 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 02/26/2015 04:10 AM, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote: Grant is a marketeer and an interesting person. To some extent, he /is/ trying to get people to drink his Kool-Aid because that's his market space. I well recall when he was selling an older Campy front derailer. It had an oversized

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2015-02-26 Thread Geir Bentzen
I believe I have read/skimmed all the comments by now and as a European who has emigrated to the U.S. what strikes me as odd is the feeling I get that riding a bike is something special. Something you need a club for, extra things to buy, something a bit exotic. I believe the core of what Grant

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2015-02-26 Thread Bill Lindsay
Tire labels not lined up with the valve stems!??!?? DISAPPROVE On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 4:20:14 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote: You mean like this? https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8566366471/in/set-72157624552118742 -- You received this message because you are

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2015-02-26 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
How about the Ibex wool jersey, Patrick? They are very, very light, ss and rear pockets. I've yet to have a knit jersey that I could wear two rides in a row. I sweat like crazy and my wool stuff doesn't smell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW

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2015-02-26 Thread Doug Williams
@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor I believe I have read/skimmed all the comments by now and as a European who has emigrated to the U.S. what strikes me as odd is the feeling I get that riding a bike is something special. Something you need a club

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2015-02-26 Thread Patrick Moore
The best comment on the subject yet On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Geir Bentzen geirbent...@gmail.com wrote: I believe I have read/skimmed all the comments by now and as a European who has emigrated to the U.S. what strikes me as odd is the feeling I get that riding a bike is something

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2015-02-26 Thread ascpgh
It's odd, no spandex hamsters riding now. I guess riding across the minus whatever, snow and ice covered darkness on studded tires with fenders generator hubs and lights isn't their magazine ad. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:

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2015-02-26 Thread Goshen Peter
Bazinga! On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:25 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Tire labels not lined up with the valve stems!??!?? DISAPPROVE On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 4:20:14 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote: You mean like this? https://www.flickr.com/photos/

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2015-02-26 Thread Mike Schiller
now that looks like a hella lota fun. Although I'd probably get the new Salsa Warbird... carbon bike that fits 45mm tires. Seems like most of my fun rides these days are like that ( a bit slower and drier though) and there should be beer at the end too! ~mike Carlsbad Ca. On Thursday,

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2015-02-26 Thread Deacon Patrick
That snow looks to be about 28˚F or warmer. That's only minus whatever in C. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 3:55:23 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that... http://theradavist.com/2015/02/santa-cruz-stigmata-cross-video/ On Thu,

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2015-02-26 Thread Mark Reimer
Oh, I know they're babies. That video didn't fool me. On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: That snow looks to be about 28˚F or warmer. That's only minus whatever in C. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 3:55:23 PM UTC-7,

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2015-02-26 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 02/26/2015 08:06 PM, Doug Williams wrote: Perfect Geir! Just wear whatever works for the ride you will be doing. Exercise clothes or racing kit are fine if that is what you are doing. Nothing wrong with bike clothes for a long and/or hard ride. But bike shoes and jerseys in the grocery

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2015-02-26 Thread Anton Tutter
Sorry, Mark, we here in the northeast US call that a dusting. I'm afraid that doesn't compare at all to what we've been getting over here. This is how cyclists were rolling in the town next to mine the past couple weeks. No spandex here.

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2015-02-26 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 02/26/2015 09:40 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: You must have walked in SPDs? And my Ram and '03 custom carry groceries just fine, while being fun to ride unladen. As for theft, I usually wheel the bike through the aisles in place of a shopping cart. I didn't say it couldn't be done, obviously

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2015-02-26 Thread Patrick Moore
You must have walked in SPDs? And my Ram and '03 custom carry groceries just fine, while being fun to ride unladen. As for theft, I usually wheel the bike through the aisles in place of a shopping cart. at least 3/4 of my riding is turning shopping and errand trips into cycling detours on such

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2015-02-26 Thread cyclotourist
@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Geir Bentzen *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:24 PM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor I believe I have read/skimmed all the comments by now and as a European who has emigrated to the U.S. what

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2015-02-25 Thread Addison Wilhite
I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won. Anymore, while I can certainly find the carbon roadie types, they aren't living in the niche. Just like the extreme downhillers or whatever they are called. I just don't see a lot of riders so focused on 25mm tires that don't also accept

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2015-02-25 Thread Ron Mc
Every day, there are frightful sights in lycra on every bike path On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 2:18:24 AM UTC-6, Peter M wrote: Every runner knows those Damn walkers are just in the way  Must be winter. On Feb 25, 2015 2:50 AM, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch

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2015-02-25 Thread Jim Bronson
Guilty as charged. In fact I am definitely not an adherent to Grant's thoughts on cycling attire. I'm wearing plum-smuggling cycling shorts every time I ride, unless it's a very, very short ride. But unlike some folks, I don't feel any pressure to conform to the Unracer philosophy. It's just

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2015-02-25 Thread Matthew J
No, Grant didn't invent the issue, but he has fed the flames, and kept it alive, and he has perpetuated a stereotype, and he has offended folks along the way. For no reason. And I assure you that it has affected his bottom line by marginalizing him. This appears to assume GP does what he

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2015-02-25 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 02/25/2015 10:30 AM, Will wrote: so... was all that discomfort related clothes... or related to position on bike? Clothes. Cycling shoes eliminate foot pressure, cycling shorts have padding and no seams to create pressure ridges. The following year with no changes other than clothing I

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2015-02-25 Thread Joe Bernard
When I started cycling in 1990 the landscape in Northern California was roadies in lycra, mountain bikers in lycra, and po' folks like me in street clothes on Goodwill beater bikes. There was no in between. Now there's a whole world of city bikes and country bikes and fixies and cargo bikes and

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2015-02-25 Thread Ron Mc
Mark, I'm with you on this. In the Texas summer, cooling and evaporation is everything. Padding = insulation = chaffing. Last summer I did three long rides in a row (180km, 130km and 110km back to back) in the thinnest merino boxers and cotton shorts I could find. I was next to naked.

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2015-02-25 Thread Will
Why do you need to wear special clothes to ride? Not arguing, just curious. I've been riding for about 50 years. Newspaper bikes as a before teenage years, then Raleigh racers in college. Shorts and tee shirt have always worked for me. What's the advantage of bike shop attire? On Wednesday,

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Mark Reimer
I disagree with the previous statement. I've done many century rides in good quality (Assos) lyrca kit on a number of saddles. Usually around the 60 mile mark I'll start to get a bit sore. By the end of the ride, it's a constant dull ache. Doesn't matter if I use different brand of

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Bernard
I learned from Grant that seamless shorts/pants and a good saddle are more important than padding. I actually got more comfortable on my usual 20-40-mile rides when I switched to wool unpadded underwear and Swrve baggy shorts; tight, padded lycra didn't work well for me. I can't vouch for what

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Ron Mc
some of the arguments above need clarification. Racing Crowd should be defined as the general trend of the industry. It actually doesn't include actual racers. Rather, it's a droves of cyclists who leave a bike shop with carbon and lycra, and an industry pushing them out the door that way.

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 02/25/2015 09:41 AM, Will wrote: Why do you need to wear special clothes to ride? Not arguing, just curious. I've been riding for about 50 years. Newspaper bikes as a before teenage years, then Raleigh racers in college. Shorts and tee shirt have always worked for me. What's the advantage

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Will
so... was all that discomfort related clothes... or related to position on bike? On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:53:57 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 02/25/2015 09:41 AM, Will wrote: Why do you need to wear special clothes to ride? Not arguing, just curious. I've been riding

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Matthew J
The body and the riding style must have some play in this as well. Presumably many of the loaded cycle touring Europeans one sees on the Eurovelo routes are riding multi-day. They probably do not ride a full 100+km every day and likely stop more frequently than someone attempting a timed ride

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2015-02-25 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Well, I've just typed out and deleted about four different comments to this thread. None of them did anything other than unearth and compound arguments. Rather than rehash and empower those, I found myself stepping back and considering perspectives in the original-letter-to-the-editor's

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Anne Paulson
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Addison Wilhite addisonwilh...@gmail.com wrote: I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won. Anymore, while I can certainly find the carbon roadie types, they aren't living in the niche. Just like the extreme downhillers or whatever they are called.

[RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Ron Mc
Jim, that's fair enough. Whatever works is the correct solution, but even that is subjective and personal - what works for one doesn't work for another and vise-versa. On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 11:39:52 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: Well, I've just typed out and deleted about

[RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Well, I've just typed out and deleted about four different comments to this thread. None of them did anything other than unearth and compound arguments. Rather than rehash and empower those, I found myself stepping back and considering perspectives in the original-letter-to-the-editor's

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Mark Reimer
someone will explain to her that her bike is wrong cue *forehead smacking into desk* On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Addison Wilhite addisonwilh...@gmail.com wrote: I kind of feel like the revolution is over

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2015-02-25 Thread Deacon Patrick
I loved that squeeking mouse at the base of a big waterfall image myself, and am thankful to Grant for being that mouse (and for the internet that helps the squeak for far!) for helping me find the fun in biking and even for making biking possible for me (the other frames I rode took a lot of

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Patrick Moore
Paul and Jim: from what I observe around me in ABQ, NM, which is a cycling-enthusiast city, is that there are all kinds of riders riding all kinds of things, but I see more than a few fat middle aged people slowly riding carbon fiber racing bikes in tight lycra kit on the bike path. Now that may

[RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread drew beckmeyer
well said jim. i think a rational skeptic's eye put to either side shows that a lot of the gear and the clothes and the style is more about taste than black and white better or worse. i definitely wont wear lycra for a host of reasons, but i also sometimes roll my eyes at seersucker knickers

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Chris Chen
It finds ramparts and entrenchments where many of us see only expansive fields. Suggests battle lines which would put many of us at odds with ourselves. Hear Hear On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I've just typed out and deleted about four

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Addison Wilhite
I don't live in Silicon Valley. However, in the Reno/Tahoe areas we have multiple club rides that are going to be made up of the types of kits/bikes you mention. But that is only a snapshot of the type of riding those people do. That may be the perfect set up for a fast road ride of 30-50 miles

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Anne Paulson
Good to hear that's what's going on in Reno/Tahoe. But I've been a member of my club for 30 years, so I know the other members. They haven't got Fargos sitting in their garages. They're mostly afraid of dirt, and they cancel rides *if the roads are wet*. No, I am not making that up; they are

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Liesl
I was in my early 40's when I returned to biking. The LBS in San Francisco didn't try to sell me a race bike, but it was clear that they thought if I didn't get a road/race bike, then I needed a Mountain Bike. I bought a Kona Fire Mountain and didn't really ride it much either in the Bay

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Patrick Moore
Well, not necessarily bike shop attire, but cycling-specific attire: less chafing, less binding, better coverage (I hate low-waisted pants that pull down, and short tops that pull up); less annoying flapping (windy, here); adapts well to changes in temperature, both external and internal; doesn't

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2015-02-25 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
I really think we're in the golden-age of awesome cycling right now! I believe that at this point, based on my personal anecdotal observations, so therefore 100% valid, a lot of riding is happening! And all kinds of people are riding all kinds of bikes wearing all kinds of things. So now that

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread ascpgh
The right tool for the job, and the humbleness to recognize when such are necessary. Folks really do take themselves too seriously. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:53:57 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 02/25/2015 09:41 AM, Will wrote: Why do you need to

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Brewster Fong
On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 1:42:01 PM UTC-8, ascpgh wrote: The right tool for the job, and the humbleness to recognize when such are necessary. Folks really do take themselves too seriously. Agree! I love these types of threads! You see all sides. I'm from the camp that if CF

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Leslie
One thing I think is a factor in a lot of this, is socioeconomics. Maybe I'm wrong, or, maybe not where you are, but, at least for my neck of the woods. (my neck of the woods being, a non-urban center, small-town, car-centric region where everyone over 15 is expected to have a car or

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2015-02-25 Thread Don Compton
I own a Mini Cooper and see a similar thing in the group. As new , the cars handle so well. But owners look at racecars that are very low and think that you have to have that look and the change will surely improve the handling. Well, maybe not, ( probably not). Oh well On Tuesday, February

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