[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

Oops Tektro R539 brakes. And forgot to mention Selle Anatomica X2 saddle on a Kalloy rivstock seatpost. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Guess I should chime in now that I own one. This build minus saddle bag, minus the chainstay bartape wrap, plus a Secula plus seatstay dyno light is 22.9lbs.: https://flic.kr/p/2abdqa7 In comparison, my Carbon/Aluminum 2009 Defy 3 was 20lbs, iirc without pedals. So not sub 20lbs. But looks

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

Ha I'm glad I read the last paragraph because I was going to comment on the lack of bolt on the seat stay bridge. You may want to use beeswax or some mild loctite on the set screw. I used set screws on some unused bottle cage bolts in the past and one worked its way into the seat tube. Luckily

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

Bill, your Legolas is so classy and elegant with the amethyst smoke paint and black parts. I'm sure Mel Torme would approve. Best, Richard On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 3:29:41 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Thank you for the kind words to all who approve of my new Legolas, and > thank you

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

Thank you for the kind words to all who approve of my new Legolas, and thank you for the discretion to all those who disapprove. This build started as a conceptual Rivendell Custom, but in my conversations with Mark and Grant, this is where that ended up. My intent was to build my favorite

Re: [RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

Thanks Tom, I think that was the cherry red from the Waterford list. I was expecting it to be darker, but I like the way it turned out. I'm sure the Riv folks would be happy to look up my order for the color if you are interested in getting one too! --Patrick, I use Kojaks in the winter to

Re: [RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

Yeah! On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Jim M. wrote: > Great looking Legolas! But you could shave off a little more weight if you > did like P Moore and Dremel'ed off the rack eyelets. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

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That is a fact. Dremel is a weight savings tool. I did cut off the seatpost to 2.5" of sunk depth and that saved me 22g. I celebrated the 52g of chain I got to cut off, thanks to my 1x drivetrain and SHORT chainstays. The steertube weight reduction was 49g. Maybe I'll do some skids to

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

Great looking Legolas! But you could shave off a little more weight if you did like P Moore and Dremel'ed off the rack eyelets. jim m walnut creek, ca On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 11:11:52 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > > On January 30th I asserted that it should be straightforward to build

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

On January 30th I asserted that it should be straightforward to build a sub-20 pound, off-road ready Legolas. Here it is: It's confirmed at 19.3lb, saddle and

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Toshi: A bit late to the party, but very nice Roadeo. How do you like the Kojaks? And why Kojaks rather than a Compass tire? I've used Kojaks on 3 bikes, and for a "non-premium" tire that resists thorns, they're pretty good indeed. But I'd think you'd want a premium tire for such a nice bike. >

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Toshi, what a great shade of red! I was thinking of red for my next build - care to share what the name/code of that red is? I also recall a nice red on one of the garage sale Roscos last year, but they took it down before I could save the pic and inquire about that shade. But I like your

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Jay in Tel Aviv asked me to recommend wheels for his Roadini I still think the HED Ardennes are still nice wheels for the price. The price today is $700, but I don't know of another $700 wheelset that I would prefer. It's a bummer you didn't jump on them when they were $350, but they are

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

I've decided to go bar-end on my Gunnar (snow and cold makes Igor work and not ride bikes..) so I will be swapping bars and maybe stem and etc.. Without pedals, bars (but stem), shifters, cables my Gunnar weighs 19.8lbs = 8981.13grams Each tire (Maxxis Rambler 700x40) is said to weigh 400g so

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

Bill, Your recommended $349 "not-dumb" wheels seems to be discontinued at Jenson. What would you get today for a hopefully not dumb Roadini? Thanks, Jay On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 6:02:58 AM UTC+2, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > > Ted > > I'm not sure what the point is, exactly. Are you trying

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

Not sub 20 but currently 21 lbs.(without saddle bag and water bottles). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

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*RBW Owners Bunch - Dedicated to the discussion of Rivendell Bicycles and products* On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 2:12:57 PM UTC-5, Davey Two Shoes wrote: > > I think the real problem here is the Roadeo is simply outclassed in it's > price bracket. You could easily get a custom geo steel road

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

I agree in part. A Roadeo is currently listed at $2600 for the frameset, although if you read the text, it is listed at $2250, so maybe the price increased. However, they only have like a 63cm in stock and I'm not sure what their eta for new ones are. So what else can you get for $2600? Well

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

You could get a vintage race bike, but then you are buying a used bike that may or may not be in your size, or your preferred color, and have wacky wheel spacing, or take weird sized seat posts, ect. My Roadeo never rode like a vintage race bike. It wasn't near as twitchy...that's really the

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Nice build Toshi! Love the red. JohnS On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:37:11 AM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote: > > I weighed my Roadeo out of curiosity and it is 22 lbs as shown in this > picture, but without the wrap under the saddle. I suppose if you used a > double crank and got a lighter seat, it

Re: [RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

I weighed my Roadeo out of curiosity and it is 22 lbs as shown in this picture, but without the wrap under the saddle. I suppose if you used a double crank and got a lighter seat, it might be close to 20 lbs, but that was not my goal for this bike. I like using the Roadeo for long rides with

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On 02/02/2018 04:51 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: This is just too funny. I guess most of us have violated the leave well enough alone rule now and again, but ha! This takes the cake. Poor little systems engineer. Was it his very last bike event ever? I think not.  But I

Re: [RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

This is just too funny. I guess most of us have violated the leave well enough alone rule now and again, but ha! This takes the cake. Poor little systems engineer. Was it his very last bike event ever? On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 1:52:27 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > One time I

Re: [RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

Efficacy, especially as the end goal over others, is way over-rated, and generally comes at a price, albeit often not immediately apparent. On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 3:35:28 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > I prefer the efficacy of the modern threadless system. > > >>> -- You received

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Good luck indeed! I laughed at your description of the hapless and mechanically clueless cyclist who decides, night before the tour, to mess around with his headset. But with all the squeaky and chattering chains I hear out on the bike path, coming from riders in full kit with carbon fiber frames

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On 02/02/2018 01:13 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: So let me get this straight. A guy is about to go on a four day tour and the night before he decides to "screw around" with the threadless headset. However, he has no idea what he's doing and then a couple of hours into the ride, the headset

Re: [RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 11:01:14 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > On 01/31/2018 12:34 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: > > I think the "advantage" of a threadless headset is in the adjustment. > Throw in a face plate stem and you can easily swap stems and bars. But > really, how many

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

I’m happy that what I offered was useful to you. The hypothetical build list above was not a big time expenditure. A more thorough plan involves weighing everything individually and that was the approach I didn’t have time to take and I believe you weren’t asking for. Best Bill -- You

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

Bill, I don't know that there is a point. I am not trying to test you. I do not want to bicker about whether some part is "dumb" or not. I do not want you to design a build list for me. I don't think you are wrong, and I'm not out to prove anything. I am interested in the reasoning behind your

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

This is the 145 gram saddle that works for me. The Selle Italia SLR Titanium: https://www.selleitalia.com/en/saddles/slr-titanium-black/ BL in EC On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 8:02:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > > The 220 gram Flite saddle works for me, but the 145 gram also works

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

Awesome build and post, Bill. Love the look of your BMC. You've provided useful information for fantasizing about putting my Bleriot on a diet. Realistically, I can remove the rack and get a lighter saddle than the Brooks. Thanks, Steve On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 6:21:48 PM UTC-5,

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Ted I'm not sure what the point is, exactly. Are you trying to test me on all possible bike parts, looking for me to say some part is 'not dumb', so you can say "gotcha! that part IS dumb!" ? Do you sincerely want me to design your build list for you because you want to build a 19 pound

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

As Bill said dumb is in the eye of the beholder. I take it in your eye carbon rim wheels (tubular or not) are not dumb. That's cool. They certainly can save a fair amount of weight. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

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Though a threadless headset may be easier to adjust than a threaded one, adjusting the bar height with a quil stem is easier than adjusting it with a threadless setup. An individual could reasonably prefer either one based on those characteristics. -- You received this message because you are

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Bill, You seem to ask what I was asking. I am wondering what you think is dumb when it comes to building a light Roadeo. I.e. what choices could you make that would make it lighter that you would chose not to make because you think it would be dumb. I would also be interested if you would

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On 01/31/2018 03:29 PM, Jim M. wrote: On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 11:01:14 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: we'ved asked around and /not one single person on the entire club ride/ -- and they themselves all had threadless headsets -- *ever* had any idea how to adjust one.

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On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 11:01:14 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > we'ved asked around and *not one single person on the entire club ride* > -- and they themselves all had threadless headsets -- *ever* had any idea > how to adjust one. > > That's a fault of the user, not the

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It may be a MTB thing, but not a road thing. On 01/31/2018 03:01 PM, lconley wrote: It has been 49 years since my 1st 50 mile ride and I have never found the need to adjust a headset while on a ride. Laing Cocoa, FL On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 2:26:07 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote: The

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It has been 49 years since my 1st 50 mile ride and I have never found the need to adjust a headset while on a ride. Laing Cocoa, FL On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 2:26:07 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote: > The advantage being you can adjust a threadless headset with an allen key, > which is on a

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The advantage being you can adjust a threadless headset with an allen key, which is on a multi-tool. Threaded you got to bring a couple of decent sized wrenches to adjust. All this talk about headset weight got me to checking and it brought me to a website called weight weeniesI shut it

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On 01/31/2018 12:34 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: I think the "advantage" of a threadless headset is in the adjustment. Throw in a face plate stem and you can easily swap stems and bars. But really, how many people do that?  So again, it comes back to adjustment. Threadless is so simple and

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

I think the "advantage" of a threadless headset is in the adjustment. Throw in a face plate stem and you can easily swap stems and bars. But really, how many people do that? So again, it comes back to adjustment. Threadless is so simple and requires what a 5mm hex wrench?! As for your

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

Ted asked questions and directed those questions at me. I’m not sure exactly what answers he wants from me. I’m reasonably confident I could build a 59cm Roadeo (my size) that weighs under 19lbs without making any decisions that I would consider dumb. I am supremely confident I could build a

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

Bill, Once one starts down the weight weenie road, I'm not sure when the "nothing dumb" line is crossed. Before I striped it (stealing parts to build up my BMC-Road), my old Gios "race" bike was ~19.5 lbs. That was with a Campi ergo 10sp drive train (mostly record), a bar and stem that saved

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If you want the bar height a Nitto Technomic gives threadless is not appealing, so I don't think thats a reasonable stem to do the weight comparison with. I have a Nitto Pearl stem (11cm extension 26.0 clamp) that I weighed at 346gr. That's ~.35lb more than your 189gr for the Bontrager race

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

RJM is right that anybody endeavoring to build the lightest possible bike won’t choose a steel frame. That said, there are still plenty of people who want a steel frame AND want it to weigh under 20 pounds. A sub 20 pound off-road ready Legolas should be straightforward. A sub 19 pound

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

Factoring in the headset weight differences and the weight differences between a Nitto Technomic 427g vs. a Bontrager race lite 189g road stem (just pulling these out of thin air) you might see a half pound difference. But, there is something about the classic styling of a nice quill stem on a

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>From the Rodeo description page: “Threaded gives you more bar-height potential (which translates to comfort, for most people) but weighs about 8 ounces more. It's probably the way to go if you're a solo rider wanting a light road bike with maximum comfort and classic styling. If you'll

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Suppose so, probly the only proper direct comparison would be threadless to threaded rodeo frame-fork-headset-stem-bars with buyers spec stem length, bar height (don't forget any spacers) and bars. I suspect the weight savings for threadless would be closer to a third of a lb than a half. I

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Threadless head sets also contribute to the weight savings, no lock nuts nor lock ring. JohnS On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 2:28:19 AM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote: > > Stems: > 1. Nitto Technomic Deluxe 6cm/22.2/26.0/190-287g > 2. Nitto Technomic Deluxe 7cm/225/25.4/22.2-328g > 3. Nitto

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Stems: 1. Nitto Technomic Deluxe 6cm/22.2/26.0/190-287g 2. Nitto Technomic Deluxe 7cm/225/25.4/22.2-328g 3. Nitto Pearl 8cm/22.2/26.0- 296g 4. Nitto Pearl 8cm/22.2/25.4- 299g Handlebars: 1. Nitto 41cm (“410”) Model 177 Noodle-322g 2. Nitto 40cm (“400”) M151F bar- 339g 3. Nitto 52cm Aluminum Heat

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Some components have a function that pays their way in their weight. For instance, I simply must have a Flyer saddle. 865g. Worth every gram to me. Also, 42mm, low pressur, supple tires for safety. Sure they are heavier than 23mm, but for safety, I don’t want to ride any narrower than 42.

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On 01/27/2018 07:40 PM, ted wrote: Some mfg. quoted handlebar weights   Nitto 176 (aka dream)   315gr   Compass Maes Parallel 25.4 superlight   289gr   Ritchey wcs neoclassic 260gr   Ritchey wcs carbon neoclassic 213gr No

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Some mfg. quoted handlebar weights Nitto 176 (aka dream) 315gr Compass Maes Parallel 25.4 superlight 289gr Ritchey wcs neoclassic 260gr Ritchey wcs carbon neoclassic 213gr No doubt the Compass bars are fine, and

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Not sure what you mean by "lightweight bars" but the Compass Maes Parallel and Randonneur handlebars are available in 25.4 diameter in "superlight" versions that are under 300 grams; they can be used with 26.0 diameter stems with shims.   The bars also available in 31.8 diameter. On

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

I think a half lb may be overstating it, keep in mind that just comparing stem and bar weights isn't the whole story since the threadles style needs a longer (and thus heavier) steerer tube. But most lightweight bars sold these days are 31.8, as are threadles stems whereas I doubt you'll find a

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

Isn't it still true that you can save 1/2 pound with a threadless steerer tube? Seems like that would help with getting to sub 20lbs. That's what I would prefer to have on my Roadeo, someday JohnS On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 1:52:55 PM UTC-5, LBleriot wrote: > > Without the B17 and

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Without the B17 and enormously heavy Crane bell, this gets pretty close 20 lbs. On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 6:21:48 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote: > > Reading Grant interview where he was saying they were shooting for sub-20 > wihen they developed the Roadeo and was wondering if anyone

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Thanks for posting the article. My plan at this time is that a Roadeo would be next bike for the kind of riding it is intended for. It would replace my vintage aluminum Trek 1000 which I got for a very good price. It's good bike, lively and responsive, but the ride can be harsh compared to my

Re: [RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

My 59cm Roadeo was about 21.5# with classic parts: 28h Mavic Open Pro laced to Shimano 600 tricolor hubs Nitto stem and bars 8-speed Campagnolo (Sachs version, actually) Ergopower shifters and derailleurs VO 46/30 crank and VO cartridge BB Brooks Pro saddle so <20# shouldn't be hard with

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

I had a 53cm Roadeo in Orange that I built up using fairly light weight parts and it was under 20 lbs...like 19.5 lbs if I remember correctly. It may have been a bit less but I wound up selling it when I bought a Trek Emonda SL6, which came in at 16 lbs with the same Rolf wheelset. Off the top

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

Thanks. Yes, I read that a while back, may have been posted here on another thread. My favorite line: It has an integral chainstay bridge, and uses a slightly lighter seat tube, and the combo saves about 3 ounces, or about the same amount of weight you'd lose by spitting five times and cutting

[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

The 18lbs for marks bike was without pedals and saddle, but getting down to ~20lbs without anything not bolted on (e.g. pump, bottles, spare, tubes, tools) should be quite doable. That's about what my BMC Road comes in at. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

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http://www.bikeradar.com/us/news/article/first-look-rivendell-roadeo-steel-club-racer-22939/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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I believe when I first built my Roadeo up it was 21 lbs, without a rack, rando bag, and fenders. I could easily see it being sub 20 without my dynamo hub and lights. Take away the frame pump and Brooks saddle your even lower. But then what's the point of the bike??  -- You received this

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Grant’s write-up on the roadeo states that Marks 55cm built up weighs 18 lbs. Sky in new west -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Was it on the web that you were reading this interview? If so, it would be nice to have a link. On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 6:21:48 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote: > > Reading Grant interview where he was saying they were shooting for sub-20 > wihen they developed the Roadeo and was