Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Richard Bown
> I have failed. What absolute self indulgent rubbish. It's in fine shape. We just need a bit of positivity around here. Yes and time. And maybe a Summer of Code or perhaps even Kickstarter. Rather than making sweeping statements perhaps a plan is in order. R -

[Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 12.04, codename "Freedom" RELEASED

2012-05-08 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version 12.04 of Rosegarden, an audio and MIDI sequencer and musical notation editor for Linux. http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ Ted Felix and Tom "Tehom" Breton did the biggest part of the work that went into this release. Ted is a masoch

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread ram
Rosegarden does pretty much all I need it to do. Yes, it has a few niggling (and apparently very hard to find) bugs, but no showstoppers that are easily worked around. As far as a future direction and additional features, you guys should check out the Impro-Visor project and maybe give it a spin

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, Richard Bown wrote: > > I have failed. > > What absolute self indulgent rubbish. I'm glad my heartfelt outpouring of emotion is self-indulgent rubbish. I don't really care what you think either, as far as that goes. I've had it up to here with criticism. It strikes

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread david
Actually, this David was only semi-joking about the matrix editor. I look at pieces of programs as resource costs. Resources spent on the matrix editor are not available for use on what I consider more important parts of the program. For what it's worth, I've have liked matrix editors for music

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread david
On 05/07/2012 12:08 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > On 07/05/12 23:05, Brett McCoy wrote: >> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:13 PM, david wrote: >> >> Notation can be done with Lilypond, > > No please leave it in and value the notation! Notation as a > composition/creation tool as well, yes the typesetting

Re: [Rosegarden-user] rosegarden ubuntu 12.04

2012-05-08 Thread david
On 05/06/2012 02:06 AM, bart deruyter wrote: > Hi, > > thanks for the explanation, but it is really sad to hear that. It sounds > to me that rosegarden is not moving along with the new technologies. In > my opinion that only means one thing : the end for it. > > I've made my final decision, I'm not

Re: [Rosegarden-user] rosegarden ubuntu 12.04

2012-05-08 Thread david
On 05/06/2012 12:58 AM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Saturday, May 05, 2012, bart deruyter wrote: > >> The other issue remains though, why does rosegarden make such a mess of >> jack when it exits? > > I expect Rosegarden doesn't play nice with whatever "ladish" is. I don't > remember what that

Re: [Rosegarden-user] rosegarden ubuntu 12.04

2012-05-08 Thread Holger Marzen
On Mon, 7 May 2012, david wrote: > > It could all have something to do with all the newest latest and > > greatest stuff in the most recent distro too. I'm still running > > 10.04. It looks like upgrading to 12.04 is going to involve a fairly > > painful migration process getting settled in with t

Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 12.04, codename "Freedom" RELEASED

2012-05-08 Thread Holger Marzen
On Tue, 8 May 2012, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version 12.04 of > Rosegarden, an audio and MIDI sequencer and musical notation editor for Linux. > > http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ Whoohoo! My beloved Rosegarden isn't dead at all! Thank

Re: [Rosegarden-user] rosegarden ubuntu 12.04

2012-05-08 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, david wrote: > Hmm, so RG12.04 requires KDE$? If so, what a great step backwards! No, not at all. Me dealing with the KDE migration is only because I run KDE personally. -- D. Michael McIntyre --

Re: [Rosegarden-user] rosegarden ubuntu 12.04

2012-05-08 Thread david
On 05/07/2012 11:14 PM, Holger Marzen wrote: > On Mon, 7 May 2012, david wrote: > >>> It could all have something to do with all the newest latest and >>> greatest stuff in the most recent distro too. I'm still running >>> 10.04. It looks like upgrading to 12.04 is going to involve a fairly >>> pai

Re: [Rosegarden-user] rosegarden ubuntu 12.04

2012-05-08 Thread david
On 05/07/2012 11:20 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, david wrote: > >> Hmm, so RG12.04 requires KDE$? If so, what a great step backwards! > > No, not at all. Me dealing with the KDE migration is only because I run KDE > personally. Ahh, that's enough stress load already

[Rosegarden-user] From a Rosegarden User.

2012-05-08 Thread Neil Bryan
I just wanted to add my support for the enthusiasm and effort Michael has made supporting RG for as long as he has. I have used RG sporadically over the last three years and I have always been impressed by what has been achieved by people just working for the enjoyment and limited (if any) financi

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Richard Bown
Sorry for cross post but want to hit developers too here. >> or perhaps even Kickstarter. > > Money could help if there were enough of it. To do kickstarter there would have to be a definite goal, a core collective, an output and some enticing pledge material. I'll have a think about this and

Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 12.04, codename "Freedom" RELEASED

2012-05-08 Thread jpm
Quoting "D. Michael McIntyre" : > The most notable change for this release is a feature we hope you > will find to > be completely transparent. Tom has labored for months to get through a > gantlet of challenges and deliver automatic MIDI channel allocation. Instead > of having a permanent, f

Re: [Rosegarden-user] rosegarden ubuntu 12.04

2012-05-08 Thread Richard Bown
> http://ardour.org/node/5003 Some ideas here re: Kickstarter. R-- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can r

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Long term bugs

2012-05-08 Thread Chris Cannam
On 26 April 2012 10:58, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Wednesday, April 25, 2012, Abrolag wrote: > >> The first is that an audio segment doesn't show any contents for several >> bars although it plays correctly. With some of my shorter segments this >> means I don't get to see anything at all. >

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Long term bugs

2012-05-08 Thread Richard Bown
> I'm afraid I don't have any useful contribution to the larger > questions going on here at the moment, but I did find a bit of time to > track down this bug and I've committed a fix. Excellent. Shame driven bug fixing. R

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread David Tisdell
What it all seems to come down to is attracting more developers. It seems to me that there needs to be a multipronged approach. To attract more developers, it could help to expand the user base. If we had people evangelizing Rosegarden to the end user, we could expand the user base. I have presente

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Thomas Sattler
David, I played around a bit with the Windows alpha and it seemed to work pretty well; I believe that project is ongoing but there are others who are more familiar with its progress than I. --Tom On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:21 AM, David Tisdell wrote: > What it all seems to come down to is attra

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Richard Bown
The Windows alpha is something I knocked together with a view to completing at least the MIDI portion at some point this year. Mac I can't do anything about at the moment as I don't have one. However perhaps that's a good angle to pursue with Kickstarter if there are more developers interested

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread David Tisdell
Can a link be added to the alpha for Windows on the main Rosegarden website (If I didn't have the announcement archived, I wouldn't be able to easily find it)? It can have the disclaimer as being an Alpha but I have tried alpha software in the past that was fairly useful. Just that in itself shows

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Brett McCoy
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:02 AM, David Tisdell wrote: > Perhaps as a starting point we could "shake the tree" for developers on > Linux audio user lists, wikis, etc. since Linux is the platform of origin. > The core work should begin here and ports created as new features are worked > out. As a m

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Thomas Sattler
I'd think there is more bang for the buck in focusing on the Windows port rather than starting a new Mac port. Although since OSX is really just BSD Unix with a pretty face, it might be easier to do. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Richard Bown < richard.b...@ferventsoftware.com> wrote: > Th

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread PMA
David Tisdell wrote: > When I am writing, I almost always begin with the notation editor. Vitally > important tool. One of the things I like about RG is that it adapts well > whatever your approach to composition. > Fascinating -- that people work *so* differently. I write J-language programs that

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread PMA
D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > ... > I have failed. Waay too hard on yourself. You need a (free) weekend in Acapulco! -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's secu

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread David Tisdell
I agree on the "More bang for the buck" on a Windows port but JACK already runs on OS X as do some JACK aware apps. Percentage of the user base wise, the Mac has historically more people creating content (Don't know if that is true today) and it is fully POSIX compliant whereas Windows is not. It

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Brett McCoy
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:31 AM, David Tisdell wrote: > I agree on the "More bang for the buck" on a Windows port but JACK already > runs on OS X as do some JACK aware apps. Percentage  of the user base wise, > the Mac has historically more people creating content (Don't know if that is > true to

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Richard Bown
Yes, but for the windows port so far audio isn't in scope. And if it was I probably wouldn't do it with JACK I have to say. Purely because I've got bored of fancy APIs for stuff and different models you're forced to adopt to use them, ALSA and JACK did it for me. Midi with Rtmidi and ? for a

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread David Tisdell
The attempt at a Mac port was done before the codebase had been moved to qt. It was installed through fink. I exchanged email with the person who had tried it and he had run into significant problems because of KDE dependencies and he gave up. Nice to hear about the commercial version of Ardour th

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Chris Cannam
On 8 May 2012 17:18, David Tisdell wrote: > The attempt at a Mac port was done before the codebase had been moved to qt. > It was installed through fink. I exchanged email with the person who had > tried it and he had run into significant  problems because of KDE > dependencies and he gave up. I

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Ian Gardner
I've managed to compile rosegarden under our good friend cygwin on windows in the past, it compiled pretty much out of the box. No sequencing of course, but it all looked right. I also have access to a couple of macs here at work so if no one's looking one lunchtime I could see how far the compi

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Richard Bown
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Ian Gardner wrote: > is to write an implementation for the virtual midi/sequencer interface in > rg in terms of Jack, and you can have a fully portable codebase to all > platforms out of the box (with the help of cygwin on windows) with midi and > audio magically w

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Long term bugs

2012-05-08 Thread Abrolag
On Tue, 8 May 2012 14:00:02 +0100 Chris Cannam wrote: > On 26 April 2012 10:58, D. Michael McIntyre > wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 25, 2012, Abrolag wrote: > > > >> The first is that an audio segment doesn't show any contents for several > >> bars although it plays correctly. With some of my s

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, PMA wrote: > Waay too hard on yourself. > You need a (free) weekend in Acapulco! There is real truth in that. I've literally never taken a proper go somewhere and see something sort of vacation since the last one I took with my family as a kid. That was 1

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Abrolag
On Tue, 08 May 2012 08:53:39 +0200 Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > On 08/05/12 02:36, David Tisdell wrote: > ... > > One of the things I like about RG is that it > > adapts well whatever your approach to composition. > > +1 very well said. > Lorenzo. Indeed. On the promotional side... For what it's wo

Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 12.04, codename "Freedom" RELEASED

2012-05-08 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, j...@it-he.org wrote: > Is it possible to disable this behaviour by default? No, but please do experiment and see how you fare. The theory is you should only experience the minor inconvenience of having to go set a bunch of things from 'auto' to 'fixed' and you should

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread PMA
D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, PMA wrote: > >> Waay too hard on yourself. >> You need a (free) weekend in Acapulco! > > There is real truth in that. I've literally never taken a proper go somewhere > and see something sort of vacation since the last one I took w

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Richard Bown
> > > There is real truth in that. I've literally never taken a proper go > somewhere > > and see something sort of vacation since the last one I took with my > family as > > a kid. That was 1987. > > Well, your constitution must be incredible. > After that, I'd have been in a Happy Farm > long s

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Mario Moles
Hello everyone! That's a lot that does not speak in this ml-list! I also have something to say on the future of rosegarden. I really like rosegarden. But I'm a maniac lilypond, mainly by Frescobaldi, because exploitation of power by lilypond rosegarden is, forgive me, ridiculous and depressing

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Chris Cannam
On 8 May 2012 18:57, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, PMA wrote: > >> Waay too hard on yourself. >> You need a (free) weekend in Acapulco! > > There is real truth in that. Hang on, did I miss something? Is someone offering a free weekend in Acapulco? Chris ---

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Chris Cannam
On 8 May 2012 08:23, Richard Bown wrote: >> I have failed. > > What absolute self indulgent rubbish. Though a very nicely constructed extended metaphor. I think you're sort-of right that the proper answer ought to be a nice brisk one about how it's just going the way it has to go and if it isn't

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Richard Bown
On 8 May 2012, at 22:46, Chris Cannam wrote: > But you and I have had a lot of time off from this project, and I > guess both of us did that because we felt a bit like Michael Indeed. It's a soul wrecker this software. R

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread PMA
Chris Cannam wrote: > On 8 May 2012 18:57, D. Michael McIntyre > wrote: >> On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, PMA wrote: >> >>> Waay too hard on yourself. >>> You need a (free) weekend in Acapulco! >> >> There is real truth in that. > > Hang on, did I miss something? Is someone offering a free

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread PMA
Richard Bown wrote: >> >>> There is real truth in that. I've literally never taken a proper go >> somewhere >>> and see something sort of vacation since the last one I took with my >> family as >>> a kid. That was 1987. >> >> Well, your constitution must be incredible. >> After that, I'd have bee

Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 12.04, codename "Freedom" RELEASED

2012-05-08 Thread J.P. Morris
On Tue, 8 May 2012 14:04:27 -0400 "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote: > On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, j...@it-he.org wrote: > > > Is it possible to disable this behaviour by default? > > No, but please do experiment and see how you fare. The theory is you should > only experience the minor inconvenience

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Holger Marzen
On Tue, 8 May 2012, Abrolag wrote: > On the promotional side... > For what it's worth, absolutely every track on my website - and there are one > or > two there :) - was developed and performed using Rosegarden. This includes > controlling both hardware and soft synths, hydrogen drum machine and

Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 12.04, codename "Freedom" RELEASED

2012-05-08 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Tue, 8 May 2012, J.P. Morris wrote: >>> Is it possible to disable this behaviour by default? >> No, but please do experiment and see how you fare. The theory is you should > Yes. Unfortunately it meant having to set ALL of them to fixed, but it was I didn't have time to try the new Rosega