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On 27 January 2016 at 05:03, Martin Yara wrote: > Being said that, I haven't being able to open Maya 2016 scenes in older > versions, haven't tried that hard though. I guess I'll have to do some ASCII > edition of the scene. It's in Preferences->File/Projects->Version->[ x ]

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t;>>>> On a similar note, I’m fairly old school regarding the file type I >>>>>> save files in if they are critical to production. Learned a long time ago >>>>>> that saving files in Maya ASCII had really awesome benefits. 1. It can b

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nt understanding of Maya’s MEL underbelly and the >>>>> seriously complex graph node connections that can exist. I used this once >>>>> to map the conversions necessary to create a Wavefront TAV to Maya >>>>> material >>>>> converter. >>>>>

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nside to .ma though is that files can get really large. I’d >>>> recommend sticking with .mb if space is an issue unless you start to >>>> experience issues. Haven’t had a need to hack a .ma file in a really long >>>> time. But I’m sure there are still folks out there re

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x graph node connections that can exist. I used this once to map the >>>> conversions necessary to create a Wavefront TAV to Maya material converter. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The downside to .ma though is that files can get really large. I’d >>>>

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alf Of *Sebastien Sterling *Sent:* 24 January 2016 09:06 *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com <mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> *Subject:* Re: So.. Maya rigging is still a thing... Hey Jordi Bear ! what is sk

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tuff has gone down well with people. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On the modelling front, Maya’s been going through an overhaul in recent >>>> versions. Up to 2016 there was a lot of overlap between what was the NEX >>>> stuff and the legacy Maya tool

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mage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sebastien Sterling Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 11:43 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: So.. Maya rigging is still a thing... Thank you Stefan, am glad to hear maya has this too. I could expand further on the list of things maya g

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"Haven’t had a need to hack a .ma file in a really long time. But I’m sure there are still folks out there relying on it." Oh definitely! Using (and hacking) .ma files is still very useful when dealing with multiple external sources. e.g. reference files, textures, plugins etc. It's easy to

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Hi, talking about rigging. I have to rig a character in Maya, a robot that transforms in an airplane similar to the transformers cartoon from the 80s. My client suggested me to use HIK as a base and I'm not quite sure how well that would work. (I've only watched some HIK videos, haven't used it

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...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Rob Wuijster Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:46 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: So.. Maya rigging is still a thing... "Haven’t had a need to hack a .ma file in a really long time. But I’m sure there are still folks out there relying on it." Oh

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pinions of NASA or any other party. > > > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob Wuijster > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:46 PM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: So..

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_ >> >> Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not >> >> represent the opinions of NASA or any other party. >> >> >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk

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gt; > represent the opinions of NASA or any other party. > > > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Sebastien Sterling > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2016 11:43 AM > > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodes

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;> Science Systems and Applications Inc. (SSAI) >> >> NASA Langley Research Center >> >> __ >> >> Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not >> >> represent the opinions of NAS

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u start to >>> experience issues. Haven’t had a need to hack a .ma file in a really long >>> time. But I’m sure there are still folks out there relying on it. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Joey Ponthieux >>> >>> LaRC Inform

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issues. Haven’t had a need to hack a .ma file in a really long >>> time. But I’m sure there are still folks out there relying on it. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Joey Ponthieux >>> >>> LaRC Information Technology Enhan

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It is, only needs extra refining but I would suggest you look at it as more than just a curiosity, it has become surprisingly usable and although it is not perfect (certainly less painful than Maya anyway) it is something I would love to test properly again. On 22 January 2016 at 12:49, Ognjen

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tuff and the legacy Maya tools, but a lot of that got fixed in 2016 onwards. Imo I like the >>>>modelling in 2016, it’s in a very good state. The improvement in the pivot editing alone was worth it. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listpr

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, blender) – lol. Reading this thread… I didn’t realize industry standards were.. low. -Draise From: Sebastien Sterling Sent: 25 January 2016 03:04 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: So.. Maya rigging is still a thing... Yes weight painting is bullshit for precise work, however if you

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> -Draise > > > > > *From: *Sebastien Sterling <sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com> > *Sent: *25 January 2016 03:04 > > *To: *softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject: *Re: So.. Maya rigging is still a thing... > > > > Yes weight painting is bullshit for pr

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hat stuff has gone down well with people. >>> >>> >>> >>> On the modelling front, Maya’s been going through an overhaul in recent >>> versions. Up to 2016 there was a lot of overlap between what was the NEX >>> stuff and the legacy Maya tools,

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hat. Certainly that stuff has gone down well with people. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On the modelling front, Maya’s been going through an overhaul in recent >>>> versions. Up to 2016 there was a lot of overlap between what was the NEX >>>

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It may not be the only solution, it is really up to you. On 23 January 2016 at 18:54, F Sanchez wrote: > Its 2016 already. Is there no other app that will ever take the place of > Maya? (Besides a future resurrection of Softimage which is not going to > happen. ) Sure

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Hey Jordi Bear ! what is skinning like in Houdini ? and have you tried Fabric for rigging ? On 24 January 2016 at 08:56, Jordi Bares wrote: > It may not be the only solution, it is really up to you. > > > On 23 January 2016 at 18:54, F Sanchez

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...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sebastien Sterling Sent: 24 January 2016 09:06 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: So.. Maya rigging is still a thing... Hey Jordi Bear ! what is skinning like in Houdini ? and have you tried Fabric for rigging ? On 24 January 2016 at 08:56, Jordi Bares

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worth it. > > > > > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Sebastien Sterling > *Sent:* 24 January 2016 09:06 > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: So.. Maya rigging is still a thing... > >

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; onwards. Imo I like the modelling in 2016, it’s in a very good state. The >> improvement in the pivot editing alone was worth it. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Seba

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I sent this off a bit too quickly: 1. point weight in Softimage 2. export back to May via. .FBX 3. then make a .mel script to connect the deformers to you Maya rig. On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Eric Turman wrote: > I tried using that plugin on a freelance

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2016 14:29 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: So.. Maya rigging is still a thing... I remember skinning in max, not the best but definitely not the worst, it didn't have any pretences let's say, you HAD to use vertex weight selection assignments or "Weight Tool"

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lt tools. > > > > http://www.ngskintools.com/ > > > > > > > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Sebastien Sterling > *Sent:* 24 January 2016 14:29 > > *To:* softimage@lis

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The one thing to note i have found with ngskin is it only plays nicely with . ma files. I fear an .mb getting touched by it. I agree with Graham. When we compare what we had in soft, we are always bound for disappointment. That's not to say we shouldn't be trying to push our agenda every

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I think the interface, might need a remelt, it is clearly not intended for the diversity of tasks you would get in a regulate DCC. This said I'm not sure I want to see a hap hazard dilution of Houdini, into a patchum'up DCC. Don't get me wrong, i expect them to get there eventually, after all

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Sidefx is getting a lot of momentum these days. I think Maya will get serious competitor if and when sidefx starts to push the character side more. On 24 Jan 2016 21:13, "Adam Sale" wrote: > The one thing to note i have found with ngskin is it only plays nicely > with . ma

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How are they looking on character animation side right now? one of the problems with H is that they still have a bit steep learning curve which it self wouldn't be a big problem if it wasn't due to lack of free time to spend on that learning :( On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Juhani Karlsson

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Its 2016 already. Is there no other app that will ever take the place of Maya? (Besides a future resurrection of Softimage which is not going to happen. ) Sure I can use XSI when working on my own but if you need to work on site it will now have to be Maya from now on. :( On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at

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Agreed > "In maya the excuse you will be given, is "well you can isol"...FUCK > OFF!!! isolate is a stupid solution, that requires way to many steps, and > requires multy selections, something that for some retarded reason maya > can't do ?! and hides everything even the bones you want to weight

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that. The software got my back. ;) sven From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Adam Sale Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:18 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: So.. Maya rigging is still a thing

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Adam Sale Maybe if they get enough requests, they will EOL Maya :), that seems to be there modus apparandi, "we have a software, we took their money, they made requests, we canceled our software = no more requests !!!" I would like to put on a braver face man, but they have had decades to look

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Does not sound fun On Friday, January 22, 2016, Adam Sale wrote: > Sebastien... re rigging in Maya > > you come back and the skinning tools are still, shit. The weight painting > is a death sentence, the weight smoothing, is a death sentence, the UI for > scrubbing

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" I have learned how to work around all these issues," And again it proves correct. With Maya you workaround with Softimage you work! On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Greg Punchatz wrote: > Does not sound fun > > > On Friday, January 22, 2016, Adam Sale

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Sebastien... re rigging in Maya you come back and the skinning tools are still, shit. The weight painting is a death sentence, the weight smoothing, is a death sentence, the UI for scrubbing through the list of deformers makes me want to snuff it, they still expect you to lock every single joint,

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That is very true Stefan. And people look at you weird just because you're not in the Maya majority... It's like speaking of the taste of chiken inside a kfc, nobody get's a clue. On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Stefan Kubicek wrote: > There are only two kinds of 3D

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heheh well actually Max is even worse. Wouldn't animate in it if it was gazillion usd per day pay rate. whats use of money when you end up in asilium On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Tom Kleinenberg wrote: > At college we were taught Max and Maya. Maya was by far the most

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At college we were taught Max and Maya. Maya was by far the most popular with students. I never much cared for it, so I always asked "What do you like about it over Max?" I couldn't ever get a straight answer and was generally fobbed off with something like "Well, they used it in the Matrix/Lord

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We never got you rigging in Softimage then Tom - ;) S. On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Tom Kleinenberg wrote: > At college we were taught Max and Maya. Maya was by far the most popular > with students. I never much cared for it, so I always asked "What do you > like about

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Heh, sorry, what I meant was sad was the blind crowd-think. I learnt pretty quickly that that any tool can do anything (when at a Lightwave studio and they were trumpeting how Lightwave was used for bits of Ironman). Some tools are just easier than others for certain tasks and Softimage does 90%

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as much confusion rigging in maya brings, I'm really liking the quaddraw tool and sculpting. On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Eric Turman wrote: > Agreed > >> "In maya the excuse you will be given, is "well you can isol"...FUCK >> OFF!!! isolate is a stupid solution,

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I'm glad you are liking your new modeling tools, Eugene. However I believe that it is important to make the distinction that it is not about the confusion in Maya rigging--at least not for me; I do not find Maya confusing at all. What the huge issue with Maya is that its limited rigging tool-set

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There are only two kinds of 3D Artists: Those who use Softimage, and those who never tried. The story of Softimage's demise is one of ignorance. But they don;t know for better so burning bed for them is as good as it gets. They have no idea what is a fluffy feeling of Softimage around you :(

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I'm still astonished by the missing features in Maya in 2016...seriously, it never gets old. Ops sorry, I mean that those features are not missing but it's up to the user to build their own...they give you the tools, you build what you need. They should really use Churchill face as the new logo

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Is Fabric at a point where one can use it as a stand alone rigging and skinning platform i wonder ? not much hope of getting studios to adopt, specially not those that rely on sweat shops. but it would be nice to try and sow some better seeds. Softies i love you all, sorry for venting but

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I suppose at the pace sideFX are steamrolling their app, it could be a functional animation software given a year or two. But thats just a guess from my side, maybe someone could comment on that who has a bit more knowledge on H. Then it could easily snap out the mayas position of industry

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Amen to that Ognjen ! On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Ognjen Vukovic wrote: > I suppose at the pace sideFX are steamrolling their app, it could be a > functional animation software given a year or two. But thats just a guess > from my side, maybe someone could comment on

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... kind of went off there again a bit, sorry guys :P but god damn, GOD DAMN ! [image: Inline image 1] On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Sebastien Sterling < sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com> wrote: > Adam Sale > > Maybe if they get enough requests, they will EOL Maya :), that seems to be > there

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*P.S. It is a shame that you didn't win the lottery Greg ;)* We would be having a whole different discussion now wouldn't we? :) On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Eric Turman wrote: > Agreed > >> "In maya the excuse you will be given, is "well you can isol"...FUCK >>

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Would I have to call you Mr GregTheBoss if you had? :) On Jan 22, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Greg Punchatz wrote: > P.S. It is a shame that you didn't win the lottery Greg ;) > > We would be having a whole different discussion now wouldn't we? :) > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at

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Yah, not sure why there's no improvement in the processflow for rigging in that much time, almost in any program i see, so many advancements in modeling. but nothing for rigging. no zbrush of rigging so to speak. I like how there's notes and tips even when you just turn on the quaddraw. feels

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I'm still holding out that fabric engine will become a solution for rigging. It's not all that magical for something complex in Maya. Which as I'm sure several of you have discovered is a bit of a Maya problem. I can paint weights and build a rig in Maya using fabric to do all the heavy work.

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"I'm still holding out that fabric engine will become a solution for rigging" Here, here man ! "I can paint weights and build a rig in Maya using fabric to do all the heavy work. I can paint weights and build a rig in Maya using fabric to do all the heavy work. " so you can build a Rig in

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"no improvement in the processflow for rigging in that much time, almost in any program" This is very true Eugene, there has been very little in this regard, however it is also necessary to point out, that all the DCC's didn't start on the same rung when it came to that stagnation. It is also

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Haawesome. On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 8:21 PM, Sebastien Sterling < sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com> wrote: > "Hung drawn and quartered" (as described by the dictionary) is an English > medieval form of > > torture, visited upon heretics, the practice of which consisted of: > > Being dragged

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so true so true... On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:50 AM, Chris Johnson wrote: > Haawesome. > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 8:21 PM, Sebastien Sterling < > sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> "Hung drawn and quartered" (as described by the dictionary) is an English >>

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I know many of us are forced by employers or situations to convert to maya. My heart goes out to you! But the rest of you fuckers who choose to go to maya over all the other options out there. You have made your beds, now burn in them. On 22/01/2016 03:50, Chris Johnson wrote: Haawesome.

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But they don;t know for better so burning bed for them is as good as it gets. They have no idea what is a fluffy feeling of Softimage around you :( On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Gerbrand Nel wrote: > I know many of us are forced by employers or situations to convert to