[Sprinklerforum] Re: Class 1B Flammable Liquids in racks

Steve, Make sure you look at the appropriate IFC or NFPA 1 if adopted. There are storage requirements, MAQ’s, and sprinkler protection schemes based upon liquid classification and container material and size. Scott From: Steve Leyton Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 1:54 PM To: Discussion

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

’ max height. No upholstery whatsoever but there are some other considerations that prompted a Class IV classification, hence the density. Or should we have plugged in ESFR because most furniture warehouses have high levels of exposed expanded plastics? Steve L. From: Scott Futrell

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

… Steve L. From: Scott Futrell mailto:sco...@ffcdi.com>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2023 10:19 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questio

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Commodity Classification questions

The fire protection in this building and for this hazard should involve a fire protection engineer. There will be lithium batteries, one pound propane tanks, and more. Early detection and activation, as well as interlocks on equipment, in a very dusty environment should be considered. If it is

[Sprinklerforum] Control valve Failures

Good morning. I’ve changed the subject from CPVC to follow up these comments. NFPA statistics are based on NFIRS reports completed within hours or days of an event. The statistics do not include any of the failure investigations my colleagues and I undertake. It takes months to determine the

[Sprinklerforum] Re: 18" clearance

@comcast.net<mailto:tston...@comcast.net> From: Scott Futrell mailto:sco...@ffcdi.com>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2023 5:34 PM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] 18"

[Sprinklerforum] 18" clearance

All, I don't have access to my older editions right now. Can anyone tell me if the 18" clearance between the deflector and the top of storage was in the 1996 edition of NFPA 13? Thanks in advance. Scott _ SprinklerForum mailing list:

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Definition of Volume

Keep in mind that depending upon the IFC edition that is adopted the IFC used to have tables that did NOT match NFPA 13. So, if you haven’t, look at the IFC, too. Scott From: Fpdcdesign Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2023 11:45 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Steel pipe failure rates

Tim, I would not expect NFPA to have any real statistics on this. ECS and others have performed testing and offer white papers. OSU is currently testing, but I am not impressed with what they are proposing or the data they appear to be collecting. I have seen and investigated failures of

[Sprinklerforum] Re: WFD In Pump Suction Line

I would suggest you might need to provide the size and length of pipe before the suction flange, the pump size, and the water flow test information for an appropriate answer. Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 From: Taylor Schumacher Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 8:35 AM

[Sprinklerforum] Re: commercial cooking area

Agree, however, I’ve seen it recently in new construction. Either the mechanical contractor didn’t know what he/she was doing or didn’t care. You start with the adopted Fire Code, use the Mechanical Code as Allan wrote and then determine what protection is required. Scott Office: (763)

RE: Vertical Wet Pipes in Dry Attic

I would not recommend this. It is a sure-fire failure event. The tent has to remain intact for the life of the structure and if it can fail it will. If any part of that tent isn't properly sealed or falls apart you have a failure. Exposed inside. Concealed in the heated space with an insulated

RE: [EXTERNAL] 8 inch sprinkler pipe fall from factory ceiling

Interesting discussion on this forum. Steve is utilizing the scientific method that needs to be used to avoid a Daubert challenge and ensure the proper conclusion, if there is one. Scott   Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf

RE: question about Storage height

Totally agree. Just checking. Scott   Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -Original Message- From: Prahl, Craig/GVL Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 9:15 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Steve Mackinnon ; Scott Futrell ; Mike Hairfield Subject: RE

RE: question about Storage height

You didn't mention what the liquid is. If it is a hazardous material as recognized by the International Fire Code then the 'empty' container is still considered full unless completely cleaned. Scott   Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -Original Message- From:

RE: CPVC Fitting

: Taylor Schumacher Subject: RE: CPVC Fitting Seems silly that a threaded female x threaded female fitting in CPVC would even exist? Taylor Schumacher -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Scott Futrell via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2021 2:18 PM

RE: Dry System Size

Just ONE of the reasons this forum is so valuable to the fire protection industry. Scott   Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Tom Prymak via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, November 01, 2021 10:05 AM To:

RE: Attic protection over a storage occupancy

Mike, That is an interesting situation and thought. I would defer to Messer's Hall and Denhardt. For CMDA sprinklers there are requirements in light and ordinary hazard, but I don't see specific reference to combustible roof materials for storage and CMDA. The are limitations for spacing of CMSA

RE: NFPA 13 8.15.7.2 / 8.15.7.5 - Temporary Parking

PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org; Scott Futrell Cc: Aaron Peck ; Andrew Baldwin ; Roberto Alvarez Subject: Re: NFPA 13 8.15.7.2 / 8.15.7.5 - Temporary Parking Scott, I can appreciate all of that, but Florida has a state fire code. And we as life safety professionals (contractors

RE: NFPA 13 8.15.7.2 / 8.15.7.5 - Temporary Parking

I can't wait to hear what John and Kevin have to say. It seems that if the sprinkler system understands the vehicle parked under the canopy is only there temporarily then it isn't a problem. However, if the sprinkler system doesn't understand the vehicle is parked temporarily and a fire starts

RE: Dry System Couplings

and repair mechanic when I was doing hands-on work, has been that I can't recall ever seeing a leaky tri-seal fitting in a heated, unheated, or cold storage facility whether part of a dry or a preaction system. On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 10:47 AM Scott Futrell via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerfo

RE: Dry System Couplings

I'd sure be interested in hearing more on this subject. "Listing" only partially answers the question. Roll groove v. cut groove makes a difference. If the bottom line is as cheap as possible then you go one route. If the bottom line is an effective fire sprinkler system for the life of the

RE: Activity

There really should be a "Like" button for emails, for this thread on George. Scott   Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Richard Mote via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 11:52 AM To:

RE: Tyco LFP - antifreeze

Good morning. I've looked at the flyer briefly and it certainly is moving in the right direction. With record lows in Minneapolis and many other locations that are colder than -25°F in the northern tier of states I wouldn't do it unless it was a loading dock or somewhere where water damage

RE: schedule 7 pipe?

Considering how much corrosion I've observed and documented in wet and dry systems in schedule 10 in 8-15 years - not MIC - we only specify schedule 40. Scott   Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Steve Leyton via

RE: CPVC EQ Bracing - 2 hole straps and another question

Just remember to allow for thermal expansion and contraction. It can get very ugly if the CPVC is restrained and thermal expansion and contraction has not been appropriately allowed for. This applies when a building is warm in the summer during construction and then air conditioning is turned

RE: potential freezing in ESFR system

Great comments. Great information. 1" pipe with cast iron fittings filled with water explodes the side out of the cast iron ell in 52 minutes at 17⁰F and that piece flies 65 feet when not confined. I’ve done these experiments outside in winter. Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell:

RE: [EXTERNAL] 23.4.4.2.5: What is the purpose and how does it apply?

Many more times than you may have heard about, Craig. For a variety of reasons, there are more fires that exceed the full design area than you are told about. I recently spent four days at a fire scene where part of a sprinklered, light hazard building burned to the ground. That fire exceeded

RE: Event Center Floors

Yes that is more relevant than 404.3 exception 2. Scott   Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2020 1:10 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc:

RE: Event Center Floors

Travis, It would help to know what edition of the IBC is adopted in the community to narrow the search. Or do you just want to know in general? Scott   Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum

RE: Class IIIB Liquids

Don't forget, NFPA 30 and International Fire Code sprinkler/foam system criteria are not in sync. Fire code rules. Also, you have to look to the fire code to know what edition of NFPA 30 is enforceable. Scott   Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -Original Message- From:

RE: Class IIIB Liquids

As I stated in a previous, related thread, you start with the fire code and work from there. IIIB's are easier to work with from a fire protection standpoint, but it may take an engineering solution. Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -Original Message- From:

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Class IA Flammable Liquids

You first start with the Fire Code adopted in the community. The fire code has requirements for flammable and combustible liquids and also includes fire protection requirements. You have to start there. The IFC varies from NFPA 30 in some sections. There are maximum allowable quantities (MAQ's)

RE: On/Off Switch in the Electric supply to a Dry Pipe System Air Compressor

resprinkler.org/ondemand to learn more. On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 10:07 PM Scott Futrell via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > 2019: > 8.2.6.6.5.1 > The disconnecting means for an automatic air compressor shall not be a > general-use light switch or

RE: On/Off Switch in the Electric supply to a Dry Pipe System Air Compressor

2019: 8.2.6.6.5.1 The disconnecting means for an automatic air compressor shall not be a general-use light switch or a cord-and-plug connected motor. Scott   Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Ron Greenman via

RE: Dust Collection

NFPA 91: Standard for Exhaust Systems for Air Conveying of Vapors, Gases, Mists, and Particulate Solids NFPA 654: Standard for the Prevention of Fire and Dust Explosions from the Manufacturing, Processing, and Handling of Combustible Particulate Solids Does that help? Scott Office: (763)

RE: ICC 905.4.2 Handbook Figure

What edition? Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 12:52 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Steve Leyton

RE: N1.85 graph paper

Thank you. Not what I need for PowerPoint slides, but thanks! Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 From: Travis Allen- Allen Engineering [mailto:tra...@allenfpe.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 4:33 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Scott Futrell Subject

RE: N1.85 graph paper

Of Ben Young via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 3:24 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Ben Young ; Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G ; Scott Futrell ; David Williams ; Mitchell, Scott Subject: Re: N1.85 graph paper I have one made in cad would that work? On Tue

N1.85 graph paper

Does anyone have an electronic metric/imperial N1.85 graph that they would be willing to share with me offline? I need it for hydraulics seminars and all I have are jpegs with one or the other. Thanks in advance. Scott Futrell Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556

RE: Attic/Concealed space access to sprinkler heads

See below. Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 From: David Williams Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 2:39 PM To: Scott Futrell ; sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Attic/Concealed space access to sprinkler heads Language camp facility. Rural area. Installing

RE: Attic/Concealed space access to sprinkler heads

David, Interesting question. You haven't provided enough information for a thorough answer. How big of an attic area? So you intend to mark the location of every upright sprinkler in the concealed space on the ceiling below? No one will ever paint that gypsum? Then cut access for NFPA 25

Australia Sprinkler System Design

Good morning. Does the forum have any Australian sprinkler contractors? SFPE is taking their Sprinkler Design for Engineers class there and I’d like to discuss sprinkler system design using AS 2118 versus NFPA 13 with a user. Please contact me offline. Thanks in advance. Scott Futrell

RE: High School Weight Room

.) Original message From: Scott Futrell mailto:sco...@ffcdi.com>> Date: 10/25/18 4:24 PM (GMT-08:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: RE: High School Weight Room Exposed, expanded, Group A Plastics and when

RE: High School Weight Room

Exposed, expanded, Group A Plastics and when put on walls and/or floors, and/or rolled up, would not be protected adequately by LH. Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 9:38 AM To:

RE: Rack storage of ATVs

I completely agree with Thomas. You’ll need to include total in storage and the MAQ’s for IB(?) flammable liquids storage in plastic containers(?). Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of

RE: [Non-DoD Source] Re: FPE / SFPE

/> Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives On Sep 27, 2018, at 2:04 PM, Scott Futrell mailto:sco...@ffcdi.com> > wrote: Note that I changed the subject. I believe I’m offended now, my friend. SFPE’s Sprinkler Design for Engineers Class is specifically targeting the

RE: FPE / SFPE

] On Behalf Of Scott Futrell Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 4:04 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: FPE / SFPE Note that I changed the subject. I believe I’m offended now, my friend. SFPE’s Sprinkler Design for Engineers Class is specifically targeting the engineers that aren’t

FPE / SFPE

there aren’t that many around to start with. This class is open to, and attended by PE’s, sprinkler designers, and AHJ’s, and again, the class teaches them what they should be specifying and reviewing and how to do it. Scott Futrell, PE, FSFPE, SET, CWBSD Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556

RE: RE: High Pressure Sprinklers

Hmmm…I told others I’d stay out of this, but although it has been met with great skepticism, please go back to my posts that outlined the proper procedure for investigating the cause, or just keep doing things and see how that works. Scott (Ghostbuster) Office: (763) 425-1001 x2 Cell: (612)

RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: Sprinkler heads popping off randomly

of limitations” have run out sometime in the last 50-plus years? So what would you gain by determining that was the cause? That’s all I’m trying to get at. -Kyle M From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Scott Futrell Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 8:47

RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: Sprinkler heads popping off randomly

...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Scott Futrell Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 10:28 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: Sprinkler heads popping off randomly Please read thoroughly and carefully all of the emails I posted and don’t start picking at one aspect. It can

RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: Sprinkler heads popping off randomly

On Sep 13, 2018, at 6:02 PM, Scott Futrell mailto:sco...@ffcdi.com>> wrote: Band-Aid and conceivably a waste of money. Sprinklers are tested at very high pressures, surges aren’t going to randomly operate sprinklers. Should the system have a pressure relief valve, probab

RE: Sprinkler heads popping off randomly

Band-Aid and conceivably a waste of money. Sprinklers are tested at very high pressures, surges aren’t going to randomly operate sprinklers. Should the system have a pressure relief valve, probably yes. Is that the solution here, most likely, no. Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x2 Cell: (612)

RE: Sprinkler heads popping off randomly

of issues or it just determine that the head will still activate per spec? These heads do not actually state UL on them, BTW. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Scott Futrell Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 5:34 PM To: sprinklerforum

RE: Sprinkler heads popping off randomly

at the same elevation as the sprinklers themselves. Creep is certainly a possibility after forty-six years. I'd evaluate your other buildings too, or just do the fifty year testing early. Everything else is shooting the dark... Scott Futrell Office: (763) 425-1001 x2 Cell: (612) 759-5556

RE: Acceptance testing at working pressure

k, NC  28731 rich...@diboco.com 828-696-3400 828-696-2288 Fax 828-708-9118 Mobile -Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Scott Futrell Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 10:51 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Acceptance testing at working pressure I

RE: Acceptance testing at working pressure

I would say so that someone is responsibly in charge of making sure it doesn't fail. If you put it in service and leave without monitoring the repairs/changes for some given period of time and a failure occurs water damage could be extensive. I understand if it fails in two hours and three

RE: Safety Margin

ngreen...@gmail.com> 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author, actor and opera director (1942-) On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 7:50 AM Scott Futrell mailto:sco...@ffcdi.com>> wrote: As a plan specifier

RE: Safety Margin

45-6181 Visit the website<http://www.parsleyconsulting.com/> On 06/15/2018 8:09 AM, Scott Futrell wrote: Only that the 'safety margin' inclusion in the 2019 edition of NFPA 13 failed, so it won't be included or required. I consider this unfortunate, but I'd guess that not everyone on the fo

RE: NFPA Vegas Convention

Only that the 'safety margin' inclusion in the 2019 edition of NFPA 13 failed, so it won't be included or required. I consider this unfortunate, but I'd guess that not everyone on the forum would agree. Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -Original Message- From:

RE: NFPA 13 prior to 1969 edition

Seems like a fun research project Brad for a Friday afternoon. >From the 1955 edition, 621: Open sprinklers may be used to protect special hazards, for protection against exposures, or in other special locations. 777 (c): Where vertical openings are not protected by standard enclosures,

RE: PVC drain line

org<mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Scott Futrell Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 6:24 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: RE: PVC drain line Yes, I do think that is the way to go, but it is a sprink

RE: PVC drain line

ll piping before the valve is. R/ Matt Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Mar 30, 2018 4:10 PM, Scott Futrell <sco...@ffcdi.com<mailto:sco...@ffcdi.com>> wrote: I can't see a valve at the end of each line being practical. Then you'd need a lift to drain them when you wanted to us

RE: PVC drain line

Well... Am I having a Friday afternoon brain fart? Where does 13 say I can't have a drain line out of other materials, and tie-in drains don't need valves at the end of every line, right? Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 From: Sprinklerforum

RE: PVC drain line

pvc is ok after the drain valve. But is that practical? On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Scott Futrell <sco...@ffcdi.com<mailto:sco...@ffcdi.com>> wrote: A Friday afternoon conundrum for the group. I have a client with corrosion issues in several wet, twenty year old, ESFR, wa

PVC drain line

are trying to accomplish cost-effectively. What say ye all? Scott Futrell Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi

RE: Residential sprinkler question

I talked to the FD. They will do a yearly inspection, test the waterflow switch, no charge and look at sprinklers for corrosion and obstruction. No other testing recommendations to the owners. I specifically ask about twenty year testing. So, if NFPA 25 isn't in play, how does a homeowner

RE: Residential sprinkler question

Verhei > On Feb 23, 2018, at 16:05, Scott Futrell <sco...@ffcdi.com> wrote: > > Forumites: > > Scottsdale has required residential sprinklers since 1985 and those > residential sprinklers are now more than twenty years old. Is anyone > performing or recommend

Residential sprinkler question

have to test fast response after twenty years, why wouldn't it apply to residential systems? Comments, thoughts? Thanks! Scott Futrell Futrell Fire Consulty & Design, Inc. Office: (763) 425-1001 x2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 ___ Sprinklerforum mai

RE: Corrosion

I know you can't do dry gridded, but people do. So assuming it is wet, yes. Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Scott Futrell Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 4:12 PM

RE: Corrosion

Wet or dry? Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hairfield Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 4:11 PM To: Sprinkler Forum Subject: Corrosion

RE: High-Rise with Secondary Water Supply

. Prahl Fire Protection Group Lead/SME CH2M 200 Verdae Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 Direct - 864.920.7540 Fax - 864.920.7129 CH2MHILL Extension 77540 craig.pr...@ch2m.com<mailto:craig.pr...@ch2m.com> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of

RE: High-Rise with Secondary Water Supply

The water purveyor may have requirements for location of the BFP relative to the 200 foot run of pipe. I would never recommend running more than a few feet of pipe through a building without a flow switch. Some of my water loss investigations have involved failures of mains without waterflow

RE: Pipe Schedule System

Reed, I didn’t stay in a Holiday Inn last night, and I don’t pretend to be an attorney. I personally don’t think there are many records of pipe schedule systems in fires that are controlled being evaluated to see if they worked properly when the loss was small. In other words, a sprinkler

RE: Pipe Schedule System

I’ll be blunt Reed. Keep those notes and emails because, in my opinion, nothing you’ve said relieves you as a professional of your liability if something goes wrong and you KNOW that system, as you wrote, “does not ‘work’”. KFI and the owner will have some ‘splainin’ to do (old line from the

RE: Pipe Schedule System

It's simple to me Reed. I would not want the liability if the fire occurred in the pipe schedule system and that system failed to control the fire, as intended. Knowing that it doesn't work is where your liability begins, in my opinion. Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556

As Built or Close-out documentation

It would be easy to hijack the other important thread (calculating remodeling) with the as-built document problem, but I won't go there. Have a great weekend everybody. Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 From: Sprinklerforum

RE: Sprinkler Accessibility

erforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Scott Futrell Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 12:01 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: RE: Sprinkler Accessibility Agreed, Matt, but how do you perform the required twenty

RE: Sprinkler Accessibility

Agreed, Matt, but how do you perform the required twenty year testing of QR sprinklers in a combustible concealed space? Just a question for debate… Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of

RE: 175 degree sprinks in attic.

Todd, Glass bulb or fusible link? I’ve documented 155°F and 165°F sprinklers operating in attics, but I don’t think I’ve seen a 175°F. I’ve also documented fusible link, ordinary temperature-rated sprinklers operating in unconditioned attics. I’m aware that not all attic sprinkler op’s are

RE: CAD drawings

Travis, Was it better than redrawing walls and grid lines and ceilings or not? Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 7:18 PM To:

RE: CAD drawings

To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: CAD drawings If it's a plotted PDF and you have access to AutoCAD 2017. Your in luck. 2017 can import plotted PDF files and convert them to DWG format. -Original Message- From: Scott Futrell <sco...@ffcdi.com<mailto:sco...@ffc

CAD drawings

to as-built the sprinkler systems and standpipes, but it is a very large facility and redrawing from scratch is not a viable option. Thanks in advance. Scott Futrell (aka "This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear to be. Learn abouut spoofing). Office: (763) 425

RE: Lithium Batteries

NOVEC 1230 most likely is appropriate. Contact your local Kidde Fenwal distributor. Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Prahl, Craig/GVL Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 3:07 PM To:

End Seal Gaskets

So as not to hijack the thread…I require flush seal gaskets and have for years. I have hundreds of photos of schedule 10 pipe corroded away without them. In twelve years or less. Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 From: Sprinklerforum

RE: Heating cable and 1" wrap.

I was involved in an investigation a few years ago and learned that the heat tracing has a life expectancy of roughly ten years. That would need to be confirmed for the specific equipment and then arrangements made for its replacement, if true. I would not specify that type of system for a

RE: HELP - Permanent Heat Source in Sprinkler Riser Rooms

Dang it, I'm still a fraud... Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Scott Futrell Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:47 AM To: sprinklerforum

RE: HELP - Permanent Heat Source in Sprinkler Riser Rooms

Reliable, heat producing equipment, electric, propane, or natural gas (steam too) that can be used to maintain at least 40°F in the room at all times. Scott   Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum

RE: Fire pump testing

head correction when applicable. Karen Lesko via Newton Mail<https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mailapp?ct=pa=9.4.53=6.0.1=email_footer_2> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:29pm, Scott Futrell <sco...@ffcdi.com<mailto:sco...@ffcdi.com>> wrote: Forumites: I know some of you test pumps freque

RE: Fire pump testing-affinity laws

Thanks Scot and Byron! Certainly lends substance to the statement in ‘25’ that results should be evaluated by qualified individuals. Be safe. Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of å...

RE: Fire pump testing

hrough 8.3.7.2.9. Do you correct results? If so, for engine driven pumps only? Thanks in advance. Scott Futrell   Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.or

RE: sprinklers in deactivated buildings with freeze potential

All good comments, but the suggestions so far don't ask the important questions that I alluded too: Will the buildings all still have electric power to them or maybe some of them? Potential ignition sources. Will the buildings all be locked and secured or will there be access to some for any

Fire pump testing

.7.2.1 The fire pump test results shall be evaluated in accordance with 8.3.7.2.2 through 8.3.7.2.9. Do you correct results? If so, for engine driven pumps only? Thanks in advance. Scott Futrell   Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 75

RE: sprinklers in deactivated buildings with freeze potential

to be addressed before your request could be appropriately evaluated. Scott Futrell   Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Foltz, Stuart D CIV USARMY CEERD-CERL (US) Sent

RE: Kitchen hood system and fire sprinkler

Travis, The sprinklers do sometimes operate, too. These systems can fail to adequately suppress a kitchen fire for a variety of reasons. Connection to the sprinkler system should ensure that a flow alarm is transmitted somewhere. (however, sometimes flow alarms are local only, yes). If the

RE: Water curtain for wall opening RETORT

Todd, If this is what Jerry is referring to: https://www.ladbs.org/docs/default-source/publications/information-bulletins/building-code/water-curtain-in-lieu-of-protected-exterior-openings-ib-p-bc2014-106.pdf?sfvrsn=10 I would be very careful. I don’t see engineering or full-scale testing to

RE: Water curtain for wall opening

Todd, I would be very careful. Is this a required separation or occupancy wall and is it required to be fire-rated? If so, as far as I know there has never been any full-scale testing of sprinklers as an equivalency to hourly ratings of wall openings (except for window sprinklers). I know it

RE: Tyco DPV-1 Dry valves

Douglas, The problem appears to be when the two small orifices in the ¾” port are plugged and water doesn’t flow through the trim to the pressure switch. Check carefully in systems more than five years old and where corrosion in the dry pipe system is more evident. You will need to remove the

Tyco DPV-1 Dry valves

To any of you that do IT on these dry valves that were manufactured sometime between 2003 and current (I don't know the exact timeframe yet), we took the second one apart that has had the two small orifices in the back, in the ¾' alarm port, plugged. When these are plugged water doesn't flow to

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