Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-20 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 21, 2018, at 7:28 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > Why should farm be tagged as landuse=religious instead of landuse=farmland > just because it is run by monks? I agree. land used for farming (ie: a big field full of rice, wheat, corn, etc) should be tagged as farmland. A temple

[Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-20 Thread John Willis
I ran into an interesting thing when mapping my local rivers. All of the rivers in my area have levees running 100% of their length from the mountains to the coast, there are probably over 1000 linear KM of earthen levees in the Tokyo region alone - 20mx10m levees (or bigger) along the outer

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-20 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 20, 2018, at 5:39 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > > Maybe it's just me, but I really can't understand why landuse for government > functions needs its own tagging. The buildings are often indistinguishable > from commercial properties Why does what the buildings look like matter?

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-20 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 20, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: > > Certainly here in the UK many formerly "civic" services have been privatised > and are run for out-and-out commercial gain Parliament's landuse isn't landuse=retiail, right? You are thinking of *amenities and services* - not buildings

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-19 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 20, 2018, at 1:04 PM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Would you be willing to revive the proposal and get it voted? SelfishSeahorse asked me if he could take over the proposal, and I agreed. There is not much else I can offer other than what I typed in the proposal, though a few

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-19 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 20, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > It’s not necessary to have a separate landuse area if the government office > is in a single building or shop. In that case the overarching “landuse” is > still retail or commercial. Do they sell "legislation" at a town hall?

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-06 Thread John Sturdy
I think of a lane added on the nearside (kerb side) of the road for slow vehicles going uphill as a "crawler lane", and to me "passing place" is meant for waiting for oncoming traffic to pass on a road too narrow for two-way simultaneous use (and is typically short enough to represent with a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

2018-08-30 Thread John Sturdy
The tag "power" is already specifically for electrical power (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Power), so I would suggest putting it under that. On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 5:48 AM Dolly Andriatsiferana < privatemaj...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I was searching for a tag to indicate if a

Re: [Tagging] horse mounting/dismounting steps

2018-08-28 Thread John Sturdy
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 2:55 PM Philip Barnes wrote: > On Tue, 2018-08-28 at 14:25 +0100, John Sturdy wrote: > > Or, like bus stops, perhaps they could come under "highway", as they're a > starting / ending point for a journey which is typically along a highway

Re: [Tagging] horse mounting/dismounting steps

2018-08-28 Thread John Sturdy
Or, like bus stops, perhaps they could come under "highway", as they're a starting / ending point for a journey which is typically along a highway (such as a bridleway). On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 12:54 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > 2018-08-28 13:36 GMT+02:00 Paul Allen : > >> I was almost

[Tagging] Lane geometry in OSM

2018-08-02 Thread John Lambert
Level.JPG>. Thank you in advance for your time. Best wishes, John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] highway=service // public road?

2018-05-26 Thread John Willis
> On May 26, 2018, at 11:54 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > I use highway=service service=driveway for the entire > length of the way, even the end part that is within the government-owned > road parcel. +1 Javbw ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] highway=service // public road?

2018-05-24 Thread John Willis
> On May 25, 2018, at 2:29 AM, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > Interestingly the key:highway wiki page lists unclassified as > the lowest classification of a road: That’s weird - since service=alley seems to be the lowest class, being service and all - yet "alley” is a public road. I

Re: [Tagging] access=disabled

2018-05-17 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On May 10, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm tagging a 'disabled parking area' - these are fairly common in my country. I know I am just jumping in - but this is also something I am interested in. I know if we have a big parking lot waiting the

Re: [Tagging] When was the deprecation of location=kiosk for power=substation discussed?

2018-04-26 Thread John Sturdy
To me, as a native British-English speaker, "kiosk" doesn't seem to be the right word for these. A kiosk is normally something that *is* large enough for a person to enter (typically, someone selling something through a hatch). __John On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 8:53 PM, José G Moya Y.

Re: [Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-17 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > So what are you going to use/propose ? landcover or man_made ? > Curious, because I want to correct my mapping. I Have been thinking about it a lot, and I think we need two separate tags - one for the object and one

Re: [Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-12 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > landuses don’t refer to features like a house or a supermarket, they refer to > a purpose/activity class like retail, residential, industrial or commercial. Yea, you got me on that one. You are right

Re: [Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-12 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 4:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I thought you also agreed they could be seen as a kind of garden? It isn’t > the only possibility, one might also see them as a kind of park, or maybe > even a kind of meadow, but my choice, from what I

Re: [Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-11 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Apr 11, 2018, at 7:37 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > An area with decorative flowers organized and presented in flowerbeds, with > visitors and maybe a fee, will be something, like a flower show, with a name, > maybe a website etc. That is the

Re: [Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-11 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:09 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > they are. A flowerbed is about something human made. What you have been > posting is a forest +1 There are many natural spectacles (the fall colors on the mountains, certian flowers that grow on wild

Re: [Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-11 Thread John Willis
static configuration. Maybe it is common in the rest of the world, but these flower spectacles (and their dedicated area just for flowers) seems something that needs precise tagging. Javbw > On Apr 10, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Clifford Snow <cliff...@snowandsnow.us> wrote: > > In John

Re: [Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-09 Thread John Willis
> On Apr 10, 2018, at 5:47 AM, John Willis <jo...@mac.com> wrote: > > landuse=flowerbed Although I searched the wiki and didn’t find the page I was looking for — when I googled for it, I found a “defacto” page made for landuse=flowerbed. 1200 uses. https://wiki.openstr

Re: [Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-09 Thread John Willis
During this discussion it is evident That we need a macro "venue" tag *And* A micromapping "flower bed" tag together. let's take a Rose garden for example. The garden itself is one big landuse. The standard "garden" tag should suffice. Then there are all the little pieces inside. The paths,

[Tagging] Flower fields as tourism attraction

2018-04-08 Thread John Willis
TL:DR - we need a “flower field” tag or a variant of flowerbed. tat is not related to farming, but more to garden or tourism. This is a tag for the field itself, not the entire location, which may need a garden:type=spectacle value to define it.

Re: [Tagging] Area of loading docks = ?

2018-03-27 Thread John Willis
> On Mar 28, 2018, at 9:53 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > How about loading / unloading / freight _area, still with access=no? so we would have to create a tag - amenity=freight_area ? Javbw___ Tagging mailing list

[Tagging] Area of loading docks = ?

2018-03-27 Thread John Willis
I was looking how to tag the area used for loading & unloading freight, usually a “private” area of an otherwise public retail building. I would call this area a loading dock, but “loading dock” https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dloading_dock

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Aviation obstacle light

2018-03-08 Thread John Willis
> On Mar 8, 2018, at 6:27 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > airmark:light I think is better. there are already approach lights, PAPI lights, etc. I think saying that these are obstacle / hazard warning lights is appropriate. Beyond mapping runways and terminal buildings, The

Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

2018-02-21 Thread John Willis
> On Feb 21, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I would not consider a freestanding statue or several of them (not in a niche > or covered or inside some other construction) , a “shrine” They are usually the same objects inside other wayside shrines

Re: [Tagging] reviving hollow way

2018-02-19 Thread John Willis
> On Feb 19, 2018, at 8:32 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > > cutting=sunken_lane feels good. this feels right to me too. Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-18 Thread John Willis
agging these kind of places. Javbw Quoted email From Paul, Jan 27th 2017 Re: [Tagging] highway=services & "Road Stations" - subtag requested. > On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 7:34 PM, John Willis <jo...@mac.com > <mailto:jo...@mac.com>> wrote: >> >>

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-18 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 18, 2018, at 10:44 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > what's the difference between a service area on a road that is tagged with > highway=services and one that is tagged amenity=fuel I'll write a full response tomorrow, but highway=services (SA) is a singularly

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-18 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 18, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > service _area:hgv=yes Isn't a highway=services already for HGV ? The issue I ran into is highway=services that are not on a motorway (a Japanese road station) - but how does a facility "cater to" HGV and

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-17 Thread John Willis
Thanks for all the comments everyone. Javbw > On Feb 18, 2018, at 5:43 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > highway=service _area > service _area=bicycle, hgv, horse, etc Warin's suggestion is probably best, that way the wheel doesn't have to be reinvented for each type,

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-17 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 15, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > think the highway=cycle_service_area tag is both useful and specific enough. I will make a draft page for it and start using it for the very rare places here. I assume the rest area in the OSM question

Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

2018-02-17 Thread John Willis
Tomoya - Thanks for the translation help! I wasn't expecting that. This particular building is 300m into the forest, at the top of a small hill, accessed only by a walking trail. I assumed it was a shrine for the hill it is on. Would a Mikoshi be stored so far away from the road? I know of

Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

2018-02-15 Thread John Willis
> On Feb 15, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > +1 to require „enshrining“ for a shrine. For some context, here are 4 pictures. https://m.imgur.com/a/cyFFn The first two is a remote Shinto shrine (building=shrine) located on a hilltop. It is a

Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

2018-02-15 Thread John Willis
> On Feb 15, 2018, at 10:53 PM, tomoya muramoto > wrote: > > I added some photo example to wiki, > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dwayside_shrine Thanks for telling us about things going on in the Japanese discussions and adding examples. Please

Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

2018-02-15 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 15, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > This seems to imply that wayside_cross is a subclass of wayside shrine (all > instances of crosses are also shrines)? I think it is really difficult to tease apart "memorial" from a lot of

Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

2018-02-14 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 15, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > What do you think about the column, does it meet your expectations for > wayside shrine? If the object is religious in nature, I think it is. Very very very old wayside shrines in Japan are

Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

2018-02-14 Thread John Willis
There are tons and tons of little singular Budda statues on a pedestal and perhaps a little roof, and people leave coins, sake, and dress them in jackets. There are also very tiny Shinto "shrines" on the top of mountains (like the size of a shoebox or microwave) that have a spot for offerings

[Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-14 Thread John Willis
I have come across an interesting mappable feature when out cycling last weekend. The ~60 km long cycling roads along the Rivers here in Japan occasionally have city operated facilities, and similar to the centuries old “road stations” and the more recent motorway “Service areas”, I found a

Re: [Tagging] war_memorial

2017-10-03 Thread John F. Eldredge
r Memorial is the first one in US history, to my knowledge, to list all of the American casualties. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: [Tagging] tagging two former church locations, with the same name but unrelated to each other

2017-09-30 Thread John F. Eldredge
One location is in operation, one is no longer physically present or operating but has a historical marker, and one (the original location of the operating church) is missing and has no physical evidence, even a sign, at the site. On September 30, 2017 12:19:31 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick

Re: [Tagging] How to tag "agricultural centers"

2017-09-25 Thread John F. Eldredge
Here in Nashville, Tennessee, the state government has a large facility called Ellington Agricultural Center . It is not an agricultural-supply business such as you described, but rather the headquarters of the Tennessee Dept. of Agriculture,

Re: [Tagging] Elevation in Feet as part of Peak Names

2017-09-08 Thread John F. Eldredge
Also, I doubt anyone in ordinary life refers to a mountain as "Mount So-and-So 2000 meters", rather than simply "Mount So-and-So". On September 8, 2017 8:36:52 AM Richard Welty wrote: On 9/8/17 7:08 AM, ael wrote: On Thu, Sep 07, 2017 at 03:31:37PM -0600, Mike

Re: [Tagging] Produce tags for orchards

2017-08-02 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Jul 29, 2017, at 11:22 PM, Tobias Zwick wrote: > > I find to tag the crop / produce of farmland is rather ineffective, as > the actual crop being cultivated can and will change over the years or > even multiple times a year. (See "crop rotation") Most of the

Re: [Tagging] Solar shop

2017-08-01 Thread John Willis
> On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > That would leave us with: > > sells:photovoltaic_devices=yes/no > sells:wind_turbines=yes/no Seems like a good fit. I assume storage battery systems (like the Tesla powerpacks) will become something sold as

Re: [Tagging] Solar shop

2017-08-01 Thread John Willis
> On Aug 2, 2017, at 12:06 AM, SwiftFast wrote: > > shop=power_equipment > power_equpiment="(photovoltaic, wind, battery, etc)" > (NOT power= Yea, you guys are right. My mistake. Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Solar shop

2017-08-01 Thread John Willis
> On Aug 1, 2017, at 1:37 AM, SwiftFast wrote: > > shop=renewable_energy_equipment This is the right idea, but I would actually go more broadly. There is gonna be different methods and combinations going forward. I would go with shop=power_generators and power=*, so any

Re: [Tagging] Recommendation for building tags

2017-07-27 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 27, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Vozniuk Taras wrote: > > So non-permanent is a building structure constructed for a defined short > period of time. Like Circus tent for example. It stays there for a defined 1 > month. Unless it is for some international event

Re: [Tagging] Beautified JSON presets for natural=tree

2017-07-22 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 22, 2017, at 9:50 PM, Adam Snape wrote: > > Removing the name key from the JOSM preset wouldn't stop somebody adding a > name tag in the few cases where a tree really was named. Nor would it remove > name tags from existing trees. Gotcha. I assume the vast

Re: [Tagging] Beautified JSON presets for natural=tree

2017-07-22 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Jul 22, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Pander wrote: > > 5. remove key `name` as it is rare for trees As a person who has tagged a named tree, please don’t remove it. A tree was named and planted near my house 300 years ago, and it is a local tourist spot.

Re: [Tagging] Formally informal sidewalks

2017-07-15 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Svavar Kjarrval wrote: > > Just to be clear: Is it valid, in your opinion, to connect the end of a > footway along a street, directly to the street itself? If the street becomes the route, I say yes, especially if there is no reasonable

Re: [Tagging] Formally informal sidewalks

2017-07-15 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 4:18 PM, Nick Bolten wrote: > > sort (not unlike a *_link for roads) This was my reasoning for highway= footway_link earlier, perhaps highway=footway_routing might be a more accurate tag. =} Javbw. ___

Re: [Tagging] Formally informal sidewalks

2017-07-15 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > My neighbour's driveway is longer than > mine (it's a company) and now OsmAnd insists on taking his, because it > comes closer to my house. Admittedly, I don’t map a lot of residential driveways (because most

Re: [Tagging] Formally informal sidewalks

2017-07-14 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32 PM, Nick Bolten wrote: > > > --> need to add all driveways? > > This is generally a good idea - and to make sure they share a node. To me, if you are considering adding sidewalks, you’ve already committed to adding the service roads/tracks/etc.

Re: [Tagging] Formally informal sidewalks

2017-07-13 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:28 PM, Svavar Kjarrval wrote: > > when the "common sense" approach would be to "just go > across the street". This is a question I have too, and I’m wondering if this is something you solve at the tagging or engine level. Afaik, this is why the

Re: [Tagging] key trees

2017-07-10 Thread John Willis
I might be wrong, but there seemed to be a big push a while back to make “landuse=farmland” take over any land where stuff is grown and have crop=* handle what is physically there and the produces=* tag handle what is harvested. A lot of the grapes grown in my area are on horizontal steel

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-09 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 8:30 PM, John Willis <jo...@mac.com> wrote: > > civic It also matches building=civic and the (unapproved) landuse=civic_admin Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-09 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The word civic ... conveys what Something for the public good; a civil service. Javbw. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-08 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 8, 2017, at 11:11 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > Why is it shop=hairdresser or travel_agency, but office=estate_agent? TL;DR: Shop: a retail space selling foods, goods, or services to customers, and is not a restaurant. Office: an commercial space

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-08 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 8, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > How then are 'offices' that do 'sell a service' to the public distinguished? > The 'access' key? That is the tough question. Apple HQ has visitors, but 99% of their offices (and they have a hundred or so office

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-07 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 7, 2017, at 8:45 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > +1, let's get rid of "like a shop", and of "selling services" as only > requirement. I think we are in agreement in almost all respects. I know healthcare proposals are huge and have been adopted (?) -

Re: [Tagging] definition of the key "office"

2017-07-07 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 7, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > charity office, a government office, the office of an ngo, the office of an > association, etc., they don't sell a service, I think in he strictest of terms, they do - the embassy offers passport and

Re: [Tagging] Power Tower Landuse = ?

2017-07-05 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 6, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So it is a known definition, even in the United States. +1 As an american (living in Japan) I use pylons (plural) to refer to the line of the structures, often when viewed from a distance. Ie: “look at those pylons

Re: [Tagging] Power Tower Landuse = ?

2017-07-04 Thread John Willis
Last Saturday, I took some pictures of the towers/pylons near my home. I uploaded 11 images to a flickr album here. You can easily get an idea of what I am talking about (separated or “abandoned” landuses), and the massive scale of some of the tower/pylons. there are refs and descriptions for

Re: [Tagging] Power Tower Landuse = ?

2017-07-04 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 5, 2017, at 1:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > the landuse, if they cross farmland the land beneath them is still farmland > or in the case of this photo natural=wood. Yes, I agree there instances where the pylons sit on a landuse, and it doesn’t

Re: [Tagging] Services provided by a travel agency

2017-07-03 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 30, 2017, at 7:13 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > We do have tourism information centres, where they hold stocks of brochures > etc telling tourists what attractions there are in the area, Our local tourism office operates out of the train station,

Re: [Tagging] Power Tower Landuse = ?

2017-07-03 Thread John Willis
> On Jul 1, 2017, at 6:04 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > in this case you could consider landuse=industrial IMHO. I see that landuse=railway is rendered as industrial in osm-carto, and it seems like other long-term infrastructure (power towers, communication

Re: [Tagging] Power Tower Landuse = ?

2017-06-30 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > For example where pylons cross farmland I use “tower” because that is the tag: Power=tower I know there re many situations where the tower base is wide and tall and and just sits on the land, not disturbing it. I

[Tagging] Power Tower Landuse = ?

2017-06-29 Thread John Willis
Which landuse is appropriate for power towers? http://www.tepco.co.jp/pg/electricity-supply/operation/images/img_substation_04.jpg here is a picture of some of the towers I am talking about. In this case,

[Tagging] Railway station tagging check

2017-06-26 Thread John Willis
I just re-tagged a small rural station I created, after mapping the surrounding area better. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/36.27303/139.28168 - the railway=station is an area used by the station, both “inside the fence” for

Re: [Tagging] minibus routes

2017-06-26 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Jun 26, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > uses regular public transport buses Although the idea of defining "tourist route vs regular service" is important, I think this is more about moving unconventional "public" transportation vehicles that use roads

Re: [Tagging] minibus routes

2017-06-25 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 26, 2017, at 1:02 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > > It sounds to me like it is still a bus route. It may have a different > "operator" +1 the minibus is still a bus. Here in my little town, they have the normal "bus" routes for people living in the town, going

Re: [Tagging] Pool decks?

2017-06-20 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:52 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > a pedestrian subtag because it "works" out of the box My thoughts exactly. I merely want to define what a particular pedestrian area is, not try to redefine it - like footway=sidewalk. If we want to

Re: [Tagging] Pool decks?

2017-06-20 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Wildlife viewing decks do exist. I am not talking about decks nor pathways used near water. I am talking about the area surrounding leisure and sports pools and similar amenities - the area used as a transition area

Re: [Tagging] Pool decks?

2017-06-20 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > A pitch is for playing sport, not relaxation My experience with pools is mainly in a sports setting - lap swimming and water polo in High School. Most schools in Japan have shallow lap pools for the students to swim in

Re: [Tagging] Pool decks?

2017-06-20 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > What makes a deck a pool deck? The proximity to an artificial pool for leisure, and often their inclusion with the pool inside in the barrier=* around the pool. So The pool deck is the flat area inside the fence around

[Tagging] Pool decks?

2017-06-19 Thread John Willis
When mapping pool complexes and water parks, often times there is a significant area around the pool, often referred to as the pool deck in the US (I don't know about elsewhere). This is often concrete, and can be almost as much area as the pool itself. For a water park, often times there is

Re: [Tagging] dispersed settlements / scattered settlements

2017-06-14 Thread John Willis
What is your definition of it? Javbw > On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:31 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > Looking at the currently available place values, there are still some gaps to > fill. IMHO we should have something for dispersed settlements / scattered >

Re: [Tagging] metal bladed windmills for water pumps

2017-06-13 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Jun 13, 2017, at 8:13 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > If you followed the history link I gave above you get They can be traced back > to the year 644 in Persia. Bit before the industrial revolution. The idea of using a wind driven shaft with a cam and a rod and a

Re: [Tagging] metal bladed windmills for water pumps

2017-06-13 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Jun 13, 2017, at 6:21 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > Those windpumps seem completely traditional as well. Tldr: - windpump: is a small mass-produced (usually metal) fan disc, gearbox, and scaffold. They follow the wind via a vane on the back. It

Re: [Tagging] metal bladed windmills for water pumps

2017-06-12 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 12, 2017, at 6:01 PM, Michael Andersen wrote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwindpump Thanks for that - my father restored one of these and has it in his grove, but I never considered how to tag it. They used to be everywhere people depended

Re: [Tagging] man_made=tunnel

2017-06-11 Thread John Willis
Sounds awesome. Most of the tollway tunnels here in Japan (and we have lots and lots of big tunnels) are 2 major and occasionally 1 minor service/emergency tunnel - but usually it is a single named "tunnel", just like a bridge. The only pushback I can see is, many times one physical tunnel is

Re: [Tagging] siphon underpass

2017-06-08 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Jun 9, 2017, at 12:10 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > @Javbw > how are these tagged? All of them (I have seen) are tagged as tunnel=culvert, but some are huge - going 200m across under a regional river, big enough to drive a car in. A tag specific to this type

Re: [Tagging] siphon underpass

2017-06-08 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > flat parts of the world Common on irrigation aqueducts/canals/drains both large and small here in Japan, especially when they cross (under) a natural waterway. Without connecting to it. Javbw.

Re: [Tagging] Truck Parking

2017-06-03 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 3, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > caravans Campers/motorhomes are practically non-existent in Japan: They do exist, but there is very little signage for them individually. Many campers are made from _very_ small vans (smaller than a minivan) so they can be

Re: [Tagging] Truck Parking

2017-06-03 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Jun 3, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > capacity:disabled=no/yes/number Yep, That is what I meant. Although there is a need for labeling certain special individual spaces, I am not talking about parking spaces individually in this thread. service

Re: [Tagging] Truck Parking

2017-06-03 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Jun 3, 2017, at 8:08 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > hgv=yes/designated and > > capacity:hgv=yes/number For designating handicapped parking lots (which are often separate here in Japan at large POIs) I have tagged them: Amenity=parking Access=no

Re: [Tagging] Tagging attractions that are farms

2017-06-02 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 2, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > I would map it as tourism=attraction [1] and not as > tourism=theme_park I totally agree that it is not a tourism=theme park. But there places with multiple interesting things - attractions in the tourism sense,

Re: [Tagging] Tagging attractions that are farms

2017-06-02 Thread John Willis
). How do people deal with a place that is a collection of attractions that isn’t a park or a disneyland theme park with rides? Javbw > On Jun 2, 2017, at 9:08 AM, John Willis <jo...@mac.com> wrote: > > I am trying to tag a regional attraction, and I am unsure how to tag th

[Tagging] Tagging attractions that are farms

2017-06-01 Thread John Willis
I am trying to tag a regional attraction, and I am unsure how to tag the attraction by itself. the place is the Daio Wasabi farm. it is a giant wasabi farm where people can walk around and view the fields (and the black netting over them all) and enjoy walking around the location. There is

Re: [Tagging] Time is now: tag ALL traffic signs in OSM

2017-05-21 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On May 21, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > > WHY are we storing traffic signs in OSM? - scene render - completeness (shows that someone has mapped the area very closely) - possible use for warnings - "color" information - welcome to FooBar / FooBar

Re: [Tagging] Time is now: tag ALL traffic signs in OSM

2017-05-21 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On May 21, 2017, at 8:36 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > IMHO this linking is done by spatial proximity (and sign orientation). In > reality there are no more indications to where a sign applies than their > proximity and orientation. There is no other

Re: [Tagging] Time is now: tag ALL traffic signs in OSM

2017-05-21 Thread John Willis
> On May 21, 2017, at 7:36 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I am in favor though to tag the signs as signs (i.e. a node on the position > of the sign) and NOT using sign tags for the interpretation (i.e. the > supposed effect on a way or polygon to which the

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-19 Thread John Willis
> On May 19, 2017, at 3:39 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I would suggest another wording for this, as courier service ships could be > misread as ship e.g.: https://www.iereexpress.com/images/banner16.jpg Accepts_items / item_pickup?

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-18 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On May 19, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Tobias Wrede wrote: > > If they have a package window I would definitely tag that with shop=courier, > but not the whole warehouse. This is why I wanted to add Courier:service:ships=yes/no Courier:service:pickup=yes/no To the

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-16 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On May 16, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Tobias Wrede wrote: > > May I suggest to focus the proposal on the frontend for now? The front end is the most difficult part, and having a proposal that covers the chain and many permutations is important. For example, I would

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-15 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On May 15, 2017, at 10:28 PM, Tobias Wrede wrote: > > What you write makes a lot of sense. Just, that a lot of that exactly applies > to post offices/postal services as well. So why should post_office be an > amenity and courier a shop? I still suggest to

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-15 Thread John Willis
at handles the needs of what different people want to see from "how to map a courier" Javbw > On May 15, 2017, at 9:46 PM, John Willis <jo...@mac.com> wrote: > > > Courier=regional > Courier= > > > > Javbw _

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