Re: adobe flash player

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

I have a ninite installer for flash if anyone wants it.

On 11/12/2015 5:44 PM, Kevin Barry via Talk wrote:

Yes. Forget it. Flash is a security disaster.

On Friday, November 13, 2015, Jed Barton via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hey guys.
Well, a web sight is requesting me to use the adobe flash player..  I am
trying to download it.  When i do a google search, i find it, but any of
the links i click on, window-eyes is doing absolutely nothing.  I depress
the enter key and it just sits there.
Any ideas?
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Re: Anyone tried the new ZoomText Fusion?

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

am i to understand that window eyes will be discontinued? or is window 
eyes still going to be available to paying customors?



On 11/13/2015 2:35 PM, Steve Clower via Talk wrote:

No.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 3:33 PM
To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Anyone tried the new ZoomText Fusion?

I wonder if Fusion will be free to office users like Window Eyes?
- Original Message -
From: "Reeva Webb via Talk" 
To: "Darrell Bowles" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List"

Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the new ZoomText Fusion?



Grrr hit the send key before i was done. My biggest concern however, i had
a long chat with ai2 IN yesterday is people who would be coming over from
we for office like me. Who bought voices. Yes, i know fusion comes with
vocalizer expressive and neospeech voices.  I bought classic english
voices
for we for office for vocalizer jill nuance got rid of her when they came
out with expressive.  I would really like to be able to use the voices i
bought for we for office with fusion. Not to mention people who bought
eloquence and dectalk for we for office.  Yes, i know you can buy sapi5
eloquence now but it's double what ai2 charges. If fusion is basically
using we as the screen reader anyway, i don't think it's too much to ask
to
be able to use the voices we bought.

Reeva

On Friday, November 13, 2015, Reeva Webb 
wrote:


You were bout to have me panicing for a minute. I hate the insert key
layout. I'm absolutely going to give zt fusion a try as i am using zt and
we together anyway.

On Friday, November 13, 2015, Darrell Bowles via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> wrote:


Again, what will happen to those of us using plain Window-Eyes?

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 13, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk <

talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

You can also switch to a Window-eyes layout.
The default layout uses default Zoomtext keys, and when appropriate,

screen reader keys are used, such as insert-t for title etc.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=

aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk

Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 2:04 PM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List <

talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: Re: Anyone tried the new ZoomText Fusion?

Hi:
Zoomtext Fusion does, in fact, have Window-eyes built into it, but,

from what I understand,  it uses the Insert key layout keystrokes as
opposed to the traditional Window-eyes keystrokes.

Kevin Huber

On 11/13/15, Loy via Talk  wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has tried the new ZoomText Fusion, the new
product from AISquared that marries ZoomText with a full functioning

Screen reader?

You can get a free 60 day free trial.
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Re: adobe flash player

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

the ninite installer will update you to the latest version of flash 
anyone who wants the flash ninite installer please reply and in the 
subject line please put ninite flash.

thanks.


On 11/13/2015 7:37 PM, Kevin Barry via Talk wrote:

I am doing just fine without access to such content.

On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Sue J Ward via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


  Hello does the installer support the latest version of flash player? I
did uninstall alternative flash player auto updater, but it had a toolbar
on it, and had to manually had to get rid of the crazy toolbar. Yes if you
could please email the ninite installer to me it would make it a lot easier
to update the flash player.
  Thank you.
On 11/13/2015 1:16 AM, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote:


I have a ninite installer for flash if anyone wants it.

On 11/12/2015 5:44 PM, Kevin Barry via Talk wrote:


Yes. Forget it. Flash is a security disaster.

On Friday, November 13, 2015, Jed Barton via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Hey guys.

Well, a web sight is requesting me to use the adobe flash player..  I am
trying to download it.  When i do a google search, i find it, but any of
the links i click on, window-eyes is doing absolutely nothing.  I
depress
the enter key and it just sits there.
Any ideas?
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Socialeyes authorization problem.

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

Is anyone having a problem using socialeyes? I can't seem to get my copy 
authorized and when i try it seems to fail what is happening?


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Re: tutorials

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

what do you want to know about thunderbird?

On 9/16/2015 12:39 PM, Bud Schwab via Talk wrote:

Hello,
Does anybody know of a current or an upcoming tutorial on windows 10 
and windoweyes 9.2 and Thunderbird.  They're all new to me and I have 
some questions about both.   GWMICRO has a great two part one but it 
is five years old and old versions which have changed a lot in five 
years. Thanks.

Bud
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Re: stability versus new browse mode

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

the only thing is this if everything is frozen then you would not be 
able to do either alt control w or windows key r and the windoweyes and 
enter, so really this is still a window eyes issue.


On 9/16/2015 1:25 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

Then press windows-r and type wineyes and press enter.

If the hot key doesn't work, that will. If it doesn't work then the 
alt-control-w wouldn't have worked anyway.
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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Josh Rivera via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:19 AM
To: 'Kevin Huber' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: stability versus new browse mode

Only problem is, for many of us, that combination doesn't work.


  
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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 9:57 AM
To: gosselin_louis; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: stability versus new browse mode

Hi Louis:

They have added a feature in Window-eyes 9.1 which allows you to press 
control-alt-w and Window-eyes will shut down and then start up again.

Kevin Huber
On 9/15/15, gosselin_louis via Talk  wrote:

Lately it seems that every time someone makes a reference to this
business of losing speech with Win-Eyes, they always mention
ctrl-Alt-w as the touted cure, but no one is saying that you must
first shut Win-Eyes down with CtrlInsert-F4, and then, after allowing
some time for things to take effect, and hopefully hearing the
descending harp stroke sound, then you do the Ctrl-Alt-W thing.  In my
experience, though, if you don't hear the descending harp sound, the
Ctrl-Alt-W wont work, either.  Fortunately, the pressing of the
powerbutton briefly always does work, even to briefly restoring speech
before it insists on shutting the computer down.  Wish there were some
way to halt the powerbutton shut-down at that point.

Louis Gosselin

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gosselin_louis=myfairpoint.net@lists.window-eyes.
com]
On Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: stability versus new browse mode

Bob, as I mentioned in my first post, control, alt, W did nothing. I
had

to

reboot everytime. Also, based on my experience, I wouldn't
characterize

the

stability problem as "small." However, I am glad to hear that this
problem is being looked at. That offers some hope. Thanks.

Butch

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Re: window eyes as a windows 10 store app?

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

if this were to be done what about people on windows 7 since apps like 
this could not be used if it was brought through the windows store?


On 9/17/2015 8:50 AM, Josh K via Talk wrote:

hi
are there any plans to make window eyes and window eyes for office 
into a windows app rather than the old style programs? I read apps are 
more secure and efficient than the old style programs. and they also 
uninstall lots more cleanly that is what i read.





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Re: Losing speech

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

I have this happen with lenovo, and acer computers processors range from 
AMD to intell


On 10/1/2015 11:13 AM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

What type of computers are being used, Dell, HP, etc?
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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Lynn White via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 10:55 AM
To: Mike ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Losing speech

I have no doubt that it is a Windows Explorer issue.  With Windows 10, it 
doesn't seem to happen as much.

On 10/1/2015 8:27 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Everyone

recently, I had an RNIB tech volunteer at my home.  He kept commenting
that Windows Explorer was stopping.  This seemed to coincide with
speech loss.  He mentioned this four or five times in half an hour and
was extremely surprised to see it happening so frequently.

I have also lost speech with Ie 11 and very recently, I have returned
to the computer to find that speech is no longer working even though I
haven't used the computer for a couple of hours. Sleep mode is turned
off along with any other settings which might cause the machine to be
unable to respond as soon as I touch the keyboard.

Probably none of this will be of any help in identifying the problem
but speech loss seems to be getting more and more frequent.

I am using Win7 64 home premium with WE 9.2.

Mike.

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Re: Attn. GWMicro Staff - Disappointed in WE 9.2

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

strange here the mouse cursor seems to move when using it in fire fox.

On 12/5/2015 12:10 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
if useing firefox it will stay in the sys tray. and i have this with 
windows 7 and 10.

the num pad will not move the mouse out of the sys tray.
i've tried all modes for mouse movement. and with firefox they do not 
work.

full screen,focus window, user window etc. does nothing with firefox.

-Original Message- From: Jonathan C. Cohn via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 10:04 AM
To: Robert Ringwald ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Attn. GWMicro Staff - Disappointed in WE 9.2

It might be that you are using the WindowEyes cursor instead of the 
mouse cursor. Try clicking the minus sign on the numeric keypad and 
see if that makes a difference Also, I understand that Windows 8 and 
Windows 10 make it harder to implement the mouse cursor functionality 
as part of increasing security and efficiency..

Best wishes,

Jonathan



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It used to be, in some editions of Window-Eyes that the number pad 
worked as a mouse. This no longer is the case. Why?



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Re: miranda and the blind contact list

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

steve the miranda app listed in the app get is unable to be downloaded 
is there a way to get this app?


On 12/2/2015 9:48 AM, Steve Clower via Talk wrote:

You can find it under the main menu in "Available Components List."

Steve


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Behalf Of Don Mauck via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 10:35 AM
To: j...@jedbarton.com; Jed Barton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: RE: miranda and the blind contact list

The last time I needed it, I just Googgled it.  The date on the last file was 
around 2009.  If you can't find it, I can see if I can send it in an 
attachment, pretty sure I still have it.

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From: Jed Barton via Talk [mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 11:10 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: miranda and the blind contact list

Hey guys,
I just had to do a re-install of mirandaNG.  Anyone know how to get the
blind contact list?  I see a ton of plugins here, but the clistblind.dll
or whatever it is isn't listed, anyone remember how to get it from
miranda?  I am drawing a huge blank
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Re: Weli.exe stopped working. What?

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

well, that is strange i have had this issue with windows 7 as well.

On 12/15/2015 10:21 AM, Steve Clower via Talk wrote:

Reinstalling the 9.2 upgrade will correct this issue, which was specific only 
to Windows Vista.

Regards,
Steve

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Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 11:04 AM
To: 'Andre' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Weli.exe stopped working. What?

Hi Andre,

Are you able to configure your anivirus software to exclude
the entire Window-Eyes program folder?
Perhaps this might solve the problem.

Hth,

Rod

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Of Andre via Talk
Sent: December 15, 2015 10:46 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Weli.exe stopped working. What?

I'm trying out the WE demo 9.2.1. I installed it, but every time I launch
it, I get the following error message. Does anyone know what this is about
and how to fix it? Running vista 32.

  


Thanks,

  

  


Microsoft Windows

weli.exe has stopped working

A problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows will

close the program and notify you if a solution is available.

Close program

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Re: Windows Update Warning

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

If you want to get rid of the windows 10 stuff check out gwx control 
pannel from.

http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/



On 12/16/2015 7:50 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

That is the update that puts the Windows Update icon in the sys tray.
- Original Message - From: "Pastor Gil Pries via Talk" 


To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 8:17 AM
Subject: Windows Update Warning



Hi,

I checked for updates this morning and there was another update 
KB3035583.

I don’t know if it is the same update as before, because I hid it.
I hid this one also to be safe.

Pastor Gil
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Re: YouTube to MP3 conversion websites for longer videos

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

I use a program called replay media catcher wich works like a charm.

On 1/1/2016 12:30 AM, Ross McGregor via Talk wrote:

I use songr. That is the word song with the letter r added.

Although don't think I've tried grabbing audio from a file over that length,
I'd imagine  it would work.
  


Ross.



-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Jeff Samco via Talk
Sent: Friday, 1 January 2016 3:26 PM
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List 
Subject: YouTube to MP3 conversion websites for longer videos

I regularly use the website
http://www.youtube-mp3.org/
to get MP3 files of just the audio. But it has a 20-minute video
length limit.. Anyone know of another service that's friendly to
screen readers like Window-Eyes that handles much longer video lengths?
Thanks,
Jeff

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Re: Problem with insert w

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

Yes it is a winamp script but you should be able to change it.

On 12/31/2015 9:01 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
i don't understand how the hot key is suppose to work. i tried it and 
it always says not connected, weather or not i am really connected to 
the net or not.


-Original Message- From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:30 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Problem with insert w

The docs for Window-eyes 9.3.1 state that Insert w has been defined as a
hot key which tells the internet network connectivity status. On my
Windows 10 desktop, pressing insert w causes a message to be spoken
"winamp cannot be found."  So I am assuming that somewhere along the
way, Insert w was defined as a short cut to the Winamp player.  If this
be the case, how do I undefined it so that it will in fact read the
internet network connectivity?

Thanks.

Don Roberts

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Re: YouTube to MP3 conversion websites for longer videos

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

Replay Media Catcher costs money, but if you just want to capture 
youtube videos you can use it for free


On 1/1/2016 8:49 AM, joseph weakland wrote:
is that media catcher program free to use and accessible to all screen 
readers?
- Original Message - From: "Singing Sparrow via Talk" 
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Subject: Re: YouTube to MP3 conversion websites for longer videos



I use a program called replay media catcher wich works like a charm.

On 1/1/2016 12:30 AM, Ross McGregor via Talk wrote:

I use songr. That is the word song with the letter r added.

Although don't think I've tried grabbing audio from a file over that 
length,

I'd imagine  it would work.

Ross.



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[mailto:talk-bounces+rossmcg=hotkey.net...@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Jeff Samco via Talk
Sent: Friday, 1 January 2016 3:26 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-au...@pc-audio.org>; Window-Eyes 
Discussion

List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: YouTube to MP3 conversion websites for longer videos

I regularly use the website
http://www.youtube-mp3.org/
to get MP3 files of just the audio. But it has a 20-minute video
length limit.. Anyone know of another service that's friendly to
screen readers like Window-Eyes that handles much longer video lengths?
Thanks,
Jeff

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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

I made the modififcations and I am using windows 7 64 bit pro and Yes 
they do work.


On 12/26/2015 7:27 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,
These modifications work in W7 32 bit but no idea if they  make a 
difference in W8 or W10 or even 64 bit.


What OS are you using?

As we are being pested to move to W10, it would be a real shame if 
this technique did not make a difference under this OS.

  A case of one step forward and two steps backward if it does not.

Neville.



On 26/12/2015 9:34 PM, Larry Higgins wrote:

Neville, thanks for your efforts. I really don't know why it should be
that some people have such good luck with such modifications, and
others, like me,  never get anywhere. I still get nothing but a line
with the word "file," and the first line of the message, and a ding
below that. If anyone else can give me any ideas as to why this should
be, please let me, as well as the rest of us know.

All I can say is that if  ISquared and all other screen reading
developers can find no way to deal with this new method of handling the
mouse pointer, we all better hope and even pray that this method doesn't
become too popular among commercial or open source application
developers, because if it does, there goes any possible use of a mouse
pointer for speech access. This issue simply has to be addressed and
dealt with, not just accepted by screen reader developers.

On 12/25/2015 6:16 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi Listers,
Using: W7 HP 32 bit, latest versions of WE, Firefox and Thunderbird

Use the three steps below to make both Firefox and Thunderbird
accessible with the mouse just like they used to be.  I was able to
use WE to make the necessary changes  in Thunderbird but needed
sighted assistance for Firefox.  For some reason WE kept loosing
speech in the case of Firefox but maybe NVDA would work.

A similar method has been around for a while but never had any success
with it but these three steps really work.  In short, I was amazed
with the change in mouse accessibility the alterations made.

Hopefully, someone can come up with a method to make Chrome mouse
accessible as well.

HTH
Neville.



This is the three steps needed to fix the mouse cursor problem.

The third step is the new one.  You do have to arrow down many times
to find it.  A lot do seem to sound the same, so be careful you get
the correct one to change.


block quote
1. Open the Configuration Editor. In Firefox, enter
about:config
 in the address bar. In Thunderbird, go to the Tools menu and navigate
to Options, Advanced, General, then Config Editor.
2. Once in the Configuration editor, press TAB until you are in the
list of options.
3. Pressing UP or DOWN ARROW will move you between options or typing
the first few letters of an option's name will move you to a specific
option in the

list.
the following are entries to search for:

gfx.direct2d.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.acceleration.disabled
if the boolean value is set to false, press the enter key to toggle the
value to true.

layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled
if the boolean value is set to true, press the enter key to toggle the
value to false.

press control+w to close the configuration window.
restart Thunderbird/Firefox.
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Re: Window Eyes and ZoomText or Fusion?

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

will neo speech be coming to window eyes?

On 12/18/2015 1:03 PM, Jeremy Curry via Talk wrote:

Hi Reeva,

I am catching up on some of my email today and I wanted to respond to your question about 
older synthesizers and ZoomText Fusion.  There are several reasons that we did not 
include older synthesizers, such as DecTalk Access32.  However, at the top of the list is 
that many of the older synthesizers do not allow for speaking and highlighting of text 
simultaneously.  You noted that the price was worth it for "speech and tracking 
focus alone."  This was one of the main feature requests we heard for ZoomText 
Fusion.  That is, users wanted to see everything that they hear.  If we were to include 
older synthesizers, the user experience would vary from synthesizer to synthesizer, and 
most users would think that Fusion would not work when, in reality, it is because the 
synthesizers are old and no longer being developed.  Thus, we made the decision to 
include the latest synthesizers that do support this technology.  Additionally, a very 
high percentage of ZoomText Fusion users want a

 h

  uman-sounding synthesizer.  Thus, if we included DecTalk or Eloquence, there 
are not only very few users who want it, but it would not work with tracking 
focus, and the cost of the product would likely need to be higher.  A similar 
issue exists with the older Vocalizer (that is, NON-expressive) voices.  The 
tracking would not work and the price of the product would likely need to be 
higher.  This would give the impression that ZoomText Fusion did not work as 
advertised and raise the cost at the same time.  I hope this helps clarify why 
we selected to include Neospeech and Vocalizer Expressive, as these 
synthesizers are able to track everything that is spoken.  In fact, we did a 
ton of work under the hood to ensure that this works extremely well with these 
synthesizers and ZoomText Fusion.

I hope you are enjoying the ZoomText Fusion trial!

What are some of the features you like best about it?

Merry Christmas!

Jeremy

Jeremy Curry
Director of Product Management
Ai Squared, Inc.
Phone: (802) 362-3612
Email: jcu...@aisquared.com
Web: www.aisquared.com



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jcurry=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 8:53 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Loy
Subject: Re: Window Eyes and ZoomText or Fusion?

I have been using we and zt together for the past year and a half. I'm avout 2 
and a half weeks into my fusion trial and i'm making plans to pay the $400 to 
upgrade. It's basically we and zt finally working good together. It's worth it 
just for speech and focus actually tracking alone.
Keep in mind this is new software the downsides i'm about to list may change with updates. The biggest one in my opinion is voices if you are a dectalk or eloquence fan you'll have to get those voices from a 3rd party as they do not come with fusion and the versions on the website for sale for we for office will not work with fusion. If like me you bought/want vocalizer classic  voices like jill as i bought her for we for office at this time you're outta luck. You get vocalizer expressive tom, ava, samantha and allison and neospeech kate and paul. Ai2 people if y'all read this PLEASE PLEASE make the we for office voices available for purchase on the gw site work with fusion. I know some of this is up to the tts company that licenses the voices to y'all but y'all are gonna have people like me coming over  from using we and zt as seperate products together who are gonna want dectalk and eloquence  or in my case i bought vocalizer classic for jill for we for office nuance got 

ri

  d of her when they came out with vocalizer expressive. I don't think it's too 
much to ask for people who bought voices for we for office or people coming 
over from the retail version of we to get to use the voices we paid for already 
 with fusion.
At this time the chrome web browser is not supported by fusion. The last 
downside is if you use the old zt keyboard, the one with the circle buttons on 
top.  You're gonna have to buy the new zt keyboard the old version does not 
work with fusion. I highly suggest downloading the 60 day trial to see if you 
like it. It's easy to get used to as there's a we keybord layout and you can 
use all the apps from app central.

Reeva
On Dec 8, 2015 5:36 PM, "Loy via Talk"  wrote:


Any opinions on the ZoomText Fusion versus Window Eyes and ZoomText as
separate programs. I am trying to decide on upgrading to Fusion for
$99 or purchase the ZoomText upgrade for Windows 10 for $49.  I
primarily use Window Eyes and use ZoomText when I am doing my banking and 
Quicken.
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Re: Back To Windows 7 Pro

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

the only problem i see is if microsoft forces everyone to update to 
windows 10 next year then what will people do?


On 11/29/2015 8:55 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Smart move windows 7 is better in my opinion.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 9:53 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Back To Windows 7 Pro

Hi,
I am back to Windows 7 Pro.
I couldn’t use my Deck-talk Express with Windows 10 and I had trouble burning 
DVDDs.
Windows 10 update kept eracing my Deck-talk driver.
I also had to get a new printer, because the old one wasn’t compatible with 
Windows 10.
I reinstalled Windows 7 Pro with my disk.
Just wanted to let you all know.

Pastor Gil
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Re: Back To Windows 7 Pro

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

actually no come 2016 this will be a recommanded update not in the get 
windows 10 app or in optional updates.


On 11/29/2015 9:41 PM, Mike Bernard wrote:

Well being that it was an optional upgrade to begin with, I doubt that they'll 
actually force us to upgrade. Most likely they'll just keep pestering us with 
that (get windows 10) thing in the sys tray.
Mike
Rochester, NY.
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+mbern6516=aol@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 10:29 PM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Pastor Gil Pries' <g...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: Back To Windows 7 Pro

the only problem i see is if microsoft forces everyone to update to
windows 10 next year then what will people do?

On 11/29/2015 8:55 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Smart move windows 7 is better in my opinion.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 9:53 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Back To Windows 7 Pro

Hi,
I am back to Windows 7 Pro.
I couldn’t use my Deck-talk Express with Windows 10 and I had trouble burning 
DVDDs.
Windows 10 update kept eracing my Deck-talk driver.
I also had to get a new printer, because the old one wasn’t compatible with 
Windows 10.
I reinstalled Windows 7 Pro with my disk.
Just wanted to let you all know.

Pastor Gil
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Re: Win 10; control alt up arrow

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

you could try doing control alt right arrow or left arrow to correct the 
problem , it depends on how far the screen rotated.


On 1/10/2016 3:56 PM, Martha Reaney via Talk wrote:

My sighted friend was here yesterday. He told me that my screen had rotated. I 
tried using control + alt + up arrow and the screen did not correct rotation.
I also tried using the bypass hotkey, then, control + alt + uparrow.  Still no 
change in the screen rotation.

I will get sighted assistance to help me correct the rotation from within Intel 
graphics and also to disable the Intel graphics screen rotation hotkeys.

Just wondering why the control + alt + up arrow did not rotate the screen back 
to normal orientation.  Sadly, I do not know when the screen rotation happened 
(what program was open, etc.)

Has anyone else had this behavior with Windows 10  64 bit, WE 9.3.1 and Intel 
graphics?

Martha
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Re: unisntalling know longer wanted sinthaizers

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

never heard james is there a sample.



On 6/3/2016 4:39 PM, Charles Short via Talk wrote:

I prefer the speechworks international sappi speech synthesizer and the
vocalizer speech synthesizers. Those are great, including the Neospeech
voices, Paul and James.


Charlie Short

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 11:23 AM
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Subject: Re: unisntalling know longer wanted sinthaizers

Hi Chris just A personal preference question for you.
What speech to you prefer to use with window-eyes?
Just wondering and where can you get the speech from that you use just
wondering?




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My Take On things.

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First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is 
cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty 
dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred 
dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for 
two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if 
you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version 
of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never 
said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA.  An 
SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.


Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the 
best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the 
second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.


Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It 
can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and 
making the screen unseeable.


Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer 
and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.


Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I 
switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since 
version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To 
avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.


Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from 
either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true 
but it is also an easy out.


Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest 
about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No 
screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one 
should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.


I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for 
your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free 
version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other 
major changes that we might not like.


Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose 
which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues 
but all screen readers always will



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Re: a very strange thunderbird problem

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

you might want to increase your space that thunderbird uses go to. alt t 
for tools o for options and on the advanced section you need to choose 
network and disc space tab until you hear the amount of disc space and 
choose how much disc space you want to allow thunderbird to use. also 
you might want to compact all folders .



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Hey guys,
OK i have never gotten this message before.  I just tried to delete 
about 200 messages.  Thunderbird tells me that trash is full and can't 
hold any more messages, it tells me the folder is full.  So what do i 
do, i deleted about a thousand messages, and it still tells me it's 
full.  If i delete about a thousand from trash and add 200 after i 
deleted it, that's not full.  Any ideas?

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Re: more miranda ng problems

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

If you look for avaiable plugins you can find it and check mark it and 
have miranda ng install it for you.



On 5/29/2016 8:58 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys.
OK i had to install miranda ng yet again.  Where do i find the clist 
blind thing.  I completely forgot how to activate it.

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Re: an alternative to webvisum

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

if you are using version 44 of fire fox this will happen you need 
version 43 to be able to use webvisum again.


On 2/10/2016 11:54 AM, Mike Bernard via Talk wrote:

Hi everyone,

I've been using Webvisum for the longest time now and as of lastnight, I've
noticed that its no longer installed on my computer. I've tried to install
it, but no matter what I do, I just can't get it to work for me. Every time
I try to install it, I get a message that says, "firefox has prevented the
installation of an unverified ad-on." What's happened to Webvisum? It was
the only accessible method we had to solve those irritating captchas and now
it appears to be gone. Is there an alternative?

Mike

Rochester, NY.

  


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Re: Update Warning

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

you can use the gwx control pannel program to deal with this.

On 2/24/2016 8:04 AM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:

Hi,
The update, KB3035583, came back in my update list after I hid it 2 dtimes.
This is the third time I have hidden it.
It put the Get Windows 10 icon in my systray.
Once I uninstalled it the icon is gone again.
Thought you all would like to know.

Pastor Gil
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Re: Why will Window-Eyes crash, but Nvda not?

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

So the  fixes are only for internet explorer and not really any other 
problems that have cropped up?


On 2/26/2016 8:20 AM, Marc Solomon wrote:

This Window-Eyes maintenance release (not a major upgrade) will include a 
number of stability improvements and bug fixes related to web browsing. Will 
the fixes in this Window-Eyes update prevent Internet Explorer from becoming 
unresponsive for every user, on every computer, on every website? I doubt it 
since many of the contributing factors are out of our control.  But, this 
update should help improve stability when using Internet Explorer. Steve 
estimates the update will be released next week, but as you know, software 
release dates are subject to change. We will send out a public announcement 
when it is ready. Thanks for your patience.
Regards,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 3:10 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez <geo...@optonline.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Steve Clower <sclo...@aisquared.com>
Subject: Re: Why will Window-Eyes crash, but Nvda not?

a lot of people have simular crashs will the new version of window eyes
fix them? and steve you said with in the next week does this mean that
next week the new version of window eyes will be released? and will it
be an sma release?

On 2/25/2016 7:12 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

Oh good!  That will make me so happy!  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Steve Clower via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:56 AM
To: Marten Post Uiterweer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Why will Window-Eyes crash, but Nvda not?

Are you using a Braille display by any chance? If so, this problem has
been resolved for the next Window-Eyes update which should be out
within the next week.

Steve

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Behalf Of Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:51 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Why will Window-Eyes crash, but Nvda not?

Hi,

Many times, when I go on my win7 32bit computer with IE11 to a site
[www.p-u.demon.nl in this case].
I tab to the link: brltty, press context key and arrow up to:
copy shortcut
Before I have reached this item, WE will crash. Will no longer talk.

This happens allmost every time.
Yes, I have Internet download manager installeed and this is a addon in
internet explorer, but this program is working well.

And when I use Nvda, there is no problem.

Marten


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Re: attachments in Thunderbird

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

Ok, carol; have your friend try this.
do alt m as in mary, then press the letter h as in hannah you can then 
right arrow to expand the options and either save or open the attachments


On 2/22/2016 8:11 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
I can get my attachments just fine with Thunderbird, but I have a 
friend using the same version of TB and WE that is not able to get 
hers.  Her mouse will not route to the email window so she can click 
on the attachment.  We tried changing the focus window and it did not 
help.  Moving her mouse keys only results in a ding. Does anyone have 
any adeas that I can tell her to try?  She was able to get attachments 
about six months ago, but can no longer get them unless they are text 
that can be read in line inside the message.


Carol


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Re: no browsemode

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

this happens no matter what page i am on if i shut down nvda and bring 
up window eyes i can not get anyplace with any of the browsers unless i 
close and reopen them.


On 2/14/2016 12:15 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:

I have not seen this -- can you site a particular page where this
happens?

Singing Sparrow via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


I have also noticed this and Yes this has happened to me as well.
Here is an interesting point to make  if you use lets say
  window eyes for a bit and then want to switch to NVDA after you have
gotten done using NVDA and shut NVDA off and turn on window eyes the
browsers no matter if you are using internet explorer, fire fox, or
google crome you have to always go out of the browser because you have
no browse mode to rely on this is something that has been happening
since window eyes 9.0 through 9.3
On 2/14/2016 9:35 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I now have for the second time, that when starting Internet explorer,
the browse mode is not working. Restarting WE or killing does nog help.
Jaws or Nvda will work with internet without any problem.
This is in Internet explorer, Firefox and Chrome.
After a reboot the problem is solved, but it is frustrating.
Are there other people who recognize this?

Regards, Mareten
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Re: WE

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

Tony, you are right there have been other people that have said the same 
things, that window eyes has been the cause of the troubles they have 
been having but asquared has told people that it is your computer and 
not our products when a person can confirm that it is not a persons 
computer, when other screen readers, work and that window eyes always 
seems to bring on the problems.



On 2/13/2016 9:59 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:

Why is it that ;everytime I have had problems with WE reading the web, WLM, I 
always get the same response in the end, “ it’s a windows issue, or a windows 
focun issue”. It shouldn’t matter what virus protection I’m using, it doesn’t 
matter to the sighted people. If sighted people were limited to only being able 
to use a certain virus protection or two, because of a program not being able 
to cope with it then they would use a different program or contact tech support 
and get it fixed, since win 7, 8 and now 10 the same issues are happening, and 
I can’t really see where any of the issues have been fixed.
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Re: Did the list die?

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

Yes they do to provide window eyes for  free of charge if you purchase 
microsoft office or if you subscribe to office 365 but you would have to 
pay for dectalk access 32,  vocalizer, or Eloquence to be able to use 
them in the free version of window eyes.


On 2/14/2016 8:26 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Am I right or wrong, doesn't WE have some kind of partnership with 
microsoft. I know now WE is in with Office.


-Original Message- From: Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 3:07 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Did the list die?

Hi Nick: That is true indeed.
There are some Internet and other things WindowEyes handles better 
than the other readers, not many but some.
The point for me is that no matter who is creating software it should 
flat out work properly or it is not ready for prime time production.
With a screen reader that is almost impossible since they have to deal 
with other peoples work, people who create the programs the screen 
reader is trying to read and navigate.
This, however, is no excuse but a valid reason for some problems that 
a screen reader with a limited staff just wont be able to address for 
every individual client and every individual third party program.
That is why management is so important, that is it has to Organize, 
prioritize  and Implement those features deemed most important to 
their clients.
For a screen reader company I would guess it is to get every window in 
the Windows Operating System working very, very well, then the 
Internet and then other third party applications like Office and only 
then develop for other third party applications.
I would stress the entire Microsoft Platform, all programs Microsoft 
puts out as my first priority with an eye twoard a few other very 
popular programs but then I am not the top dog anyplace nor would I 
want to be - allot of stress indeed.
But there is money in making professional tools and popular programs 
accessible and before you ever touch a keyboard as a developer you do 
a cost / benefit analysis of the project even if just an informal 
discussion and Microsoft and a few non Microsoft programs are widely 
used in business, industry and Finance and that is where the bulk of 
my work would be targeted since Government and Industry will pay for 
the screen reader that works the best with packages their employees 
use and greenies are, despite some people, very very important to the 
survival of any company.

No company, no screen reader.
I would also let my client base know what is on the table for review 
like in an agile project management senario so they get an idea of 
what is high priority and what is low priority to have an open 
discussion of what and why some things may, or not, get addressed in 
the near to intermediate future - at least I would try that out to 
help get more input of real value from my client base if I were a 
small development team with limited resources or I think I would try 
it - perhaps not just never been there done that.
Anyway, you are correct but for the fact that WE does not work 
flawlesly with the Windows10 operating system in my opinion and that 
in my case would be job1 with the internet job2 which also seems to 
need some work.

Rick USA.


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
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Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 2:59 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: Re: Did the list die?

I bet it's a trade off.  The more you use the likes of these other free
creen readers, I bet you'll find issues you don't have with WE.

On 2/13/2016 7:51 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up 
on WE, but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader 
for stuff because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn

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Re: speech shutting off

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

I have had this happen and even using the conrtrol alt w  hot key comand 
does not bring window eyes back up.


On 2/14/2016 11:51 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

did you use  the w e hot keys to restart it?
i think its control alt w.
i don't remember. i change the keys to control alt insert 10 years ago.
hate to say it but this has been happening several times per day
but it can also happen when the computer hybernates or is it sleep 
mode now? and you wake it up.




-Original Message- From: richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:46 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: speech shutting off

using windoweyes/ es 9.2.3 and windows 8.1 at random speech cuts
off can't do anything on the computer. I was idle on the computer and
this happened. had to power down with power and restart. what is going 
on?


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Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

never have this happen with jaws or nvda. nothing happens like this the 
crashs always acure with window eyes.


On 2/18/2016 3:04 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Reading the postings it seems that this problem is not unique to WindowEyes
but is perhaps worse in WindowEyes.
There are indications that it happens most often in Internet Explorer or, at
least, is most identifyable in InternetExplorer with the dialog that
InternetExplorer says the program is not responding (same dialog when JAWS
locked up in Internet Explorer) but WindowEyes will not usually notify you
the problem has occurred and just locks up - this should be fixed by
AISquared so we can be notified and close the offending program.
Note that it is likely not Internet Explorer lockinng up but some program
being called or used by Internet Explorer like one that might display an ad
or flash or something because closing the program that is not responding
does not close Internet Explorer but after closing the program not
responding you are still in Internet Explorer and can continue working in
that program.
Some have noticed better results when not using background processes like
the automagic update of synced programs like cloud related programs, note
that OneNote and other things that come with our Operating Systems also can
be using these types of features by default.
Also, there allot of Live Tiles that will access the internet automagically
and send or gather information from external online web pages and, or, web
services which is akin to using a cloud service in that both have to access
something on the internet and thus prone to internet transmission and many
other problems.
Even programs that you would think wouldn't access the internet from your
desktop might be doing something online behind the scenes so this is one
possible avenue but tonarrow things down we can do a few things.
First, you folks who use Mazilla and Chrome for your browsers, have you
noticed any lockups at all using WindowEyes?
Second, the next time I get a Internet Explorer lockup I will try and hit
the Debug button instead of the close button to see what I can find out
about the error like what program(s) are related to it if the error will
give me that much detail.
I forget the WindowEyes hot key to copy a MessageBox which is usually not
able to be read with the normal arrow keys, anyone remember it off the top
of your head?
Rick USA



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 3:56 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I don't have iCloud either. And I don't have the crashes. So, it has to
be something else.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 3:31 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I don't have it on any of my computers, and don't plan to.  So, it has
to be something else.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 12:35 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I don't have I cloud installed. I did on my windows 8 pc and it caused
problems there. LOL

-Original Message- From: John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:19 AM
To: 'Tom Kingston' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Rick Thomas'
Subject: RE: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
that is having such an impact.



Regards, John

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:

Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
working with the close program dialog.
So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]

On

Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
To: loyrg2...@gmail.com; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
I invoke NVDA.
By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
tasks is 

Re: Possible solution to slow computer and crashes

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

Ok, if this works then  One of the things is that window eyes is hogging 
along side this process.


On 2/29/2016 9:25 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
until wineyes catches up  with all the changes in win 10 that , in 
many instences render w e silent this is not a solution.
and you have to turn off the audio enhancements in windows 10 too if 
you want better performance.
you have to turn it off in both win7 8 and 10 to turn off the bass so 
you can better understand what w e voices are saying.

sluggishness or no speech with windows searches in the list of results.
many times  nothing in the start screen will speak until i reload w e.
the apps in the start screen are very hard to get to. i end up useing 
the search box or the apps list to run an apps.  if i use them at all.
try to boot in safe mode if a driver or something you have installed 
prevents windows from running.
there is no safe mode list anymore. the f8 or is it the control f8 or 
f5 key to boot in safe mode is a windows like interface now. with no 
one to tell me what is on the screen i can't use it with no speech.
with win 7 i can boot to the safe mode screen, arrow down one space 
and  boot in safe mode, with speech to uninstall the affending driver 
or program that is preventing windows from booting. not with windows 10.

no thanks. i have both win7 and 10 but i seldom use it.





-Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:16 PM
To: Manny ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Possible solution to slow computer and crashes

another solution is to simply upgrade for free to Windows 10.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 2/29/2016 2:28 PM, Manny via Talk wrote:

Hi to all,
My computer was very slow today,
Using processor explorer, I found the culprit, and I googled the 
culprit, and below is copy of how to fix the problem.--

  copy:
"In Windows 7, when running audio or video player software, CPU usage 
will reach above 80% instantly. This phenomenon is caused by " 
audiodg.exe " process. Sometimes, high CPU usage by this process 
might lead to fake crash. Here is a solution to this problem:


1. Right-click "Speakers" icon in the taskbar and then select 
"Playback devices"
2 . Under "Playback" tab, right-click "Speakers", and select 
"Properties".
3. Click on " Enhancements" tab under "Speakers Properties". Check " 
Disable all e enhancements " checkbox .




By the above steps, you could resolve the problem that " audiodg 
.exe" process hosts high CPU usage and prevent your machine from slow 
running and fake crash."

  Stay well,
Manny

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 with 8 gb RAM, IntelQuad core Processor Q6600 (8M Cache, 2.40 GHz, 
1066 MHz drivers and software updated automatically with Ninite and 
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Re: email client

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

so what you are saying is if i payed 5 dollars a month i could use 
office for that price unlimited?


On 3/14/2016 10:11 AM, Chip Orange via Talk wrote:

Hello,

I'll put in one vote for updating your Outlook to whatever version you can now 
get from MS.  Don't know if you are aware, but you don't have to pay a large 
price up front, you can pay something like $5 a month for Office 365 and you 
get all of the Office programs.

Since you're used to Outlook, and since AI has put so much work into making 
Outlook work well with WE, why not give it a try?  You also get all the side 
benefits of calendaring, tasking, etc.  I have to say, I don't know what I'd do 
without Outlook calendars, since I keep my and my wife's calendars mixed 
together, and I see them both at home on both of our pcs and at work on both of 
our pcs, it's really worth learning how to use Outlook calendars I believe.

Hth and good luck,

Chip





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Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Bob via Talk
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 4:03 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: email client

could anyone suggest a good email client that works well with wineyes.
I have been using outlook 2003 which  has got crupted which microsoft doesn't
support anymore.
I am using win 7 and the lasest wineyes.
Many thanks robin.




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Re: can't get miranda ng to work under win 10

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

I have no problems connecting to aim. what version of miranda ng are you 
using?


On 3/16/2016 2:58 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
Well, I'm currently signed into Facebook chat using Miranda NG. I 
think some of you guys might be using Miranda IM, instead of NG which 
is the more recent version of Miranda. Facebook chat works just fine.  
I'm not able to reliably connect to Aim, however. Sometimes it works, 
sometimes not.  Miranda NG should most certainly work with Windows 10. 
I don't see why it wouldn't.







On 3/16/2016 12:35 PM, Davy Cuppens via Talk wrote:

Hi

I can reproduce this. Moreover, if you are intending to use Miranda 
for fb chat like most of us did, This is nolonger possible. FB closed 
all its services for third party chat bots.

Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Jed Barton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 11:30 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: can't get miranda ng to work under win 10

Hey guys,
Well i installed miranda ng, but the main window doesn't seem to come up
under win 10, any ideas?  i changed the hotkey to control shift Z but no
go, any thoughts
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Re: error downloading WE 9.4

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

strange because i got the download with the version number.


On 3/8/2016 6:53 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi,

This is the actual location on my Windows 10 system:

C:\Users\Rod-Win-10\AppData\Local\Temp

Simply replace Rod-Win-10 with your specific username.
Also, I notice the upgrade package name no longer includes the version
number.
It is simply named: WindowEyesSetup.exe.

Hth,

Rod

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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of via Talk
Sent: March 8, 2016 1:46 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: error downloading WE 9.4

This is happening to me as well. At first, I tried using the Download
Window-Eyes 9.4.0.0 link in the check for updates dialog. I left the
computer to the download and when I came back, I couldn't find the
executeable. Assuming that the download link works, where exactly is the
update file being downloaded to? Not the downloads folder.

Lou N.

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Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:59 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Window-Eyes Support
Subject: error downloading WE 9.4

When I attempt to go to the GW Micro web site and download WE9.4 after
entering my serial number and starting the download I get the message
that the signature is invalid and it gives me the option to delete the
download.
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Re: can't get miranda ng to work under win 10

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

did you install the blind contact list?

On 3/16/2016 5:45 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:
well, that's too go hear, what i am having a problem getting to is the 
settings.  When i do control shift A, all itt says is miranda ng. When 
i press the alt key it literally says nothing.  Any ideas how to get 
to the main setup screen


On 3/16/2016 3:58 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:

Well, I'm currently signed into Facebook chat using Miranda NG. I think
some of you guys might be using Miranda IM, instead of NG which is the
more recent version of Miranda. Facebook chat works just fine. I'm not
able to reliably connect to Aim, however. Sometimes it works, sometimes
not.  Miranda NG should most certainly work with Windows 10. I don't see
why it wouldn't.






On 3/16/2016 12:35 PM, Davy Cuppens via Talk wrote:

Hi

I can reproduce this. Moreover, if you are intending to use Miranda
for fb chat like most of us did, This is nolonger possible. FB closed
all its services for third party chat bots.
Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Jed Barton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 11:30 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: can't get miranda ng to work under win 10

Hey guys,
Well i installed miranda ng, but the main window doesn't seem to 
come up
under win 10, any ideas?  i changed the hotkey to control shift Z 
but no

go, any thoughts
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AIM instant Messenger.

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

What version of aim is accessible with window eyes 9.4?
I have miranda im and miranda ng and neither of them  can seem to 
connect to aim has anyone else had this problem with miranda im and 
miranda ng? Which version of aim works best with window eyes?



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Re: Extractin Digital Talking Book Problem

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

have you tried using 7zip?


On 5/20/2016 12:20 PM, Dan Rathburn via Talk wrote:


Hello,

I'm not at all sure this is a WE problem.  After years of downloading 
and extracting books from BARD, it no longer works.  I connect the 
cartridge and navigate to it with Windows Explorer and go to the 
desktop where I download books temporarily. I select the book to 
extract, edit the path to the cartridge and hit the 'Extract' button.  
The computer goes silent for about 20 to 30 seconds and then I'm 
bounced to the Task Bar.  The folder for the book is created but the 
folder is empty and I can't alt-tab to the cartridge.  In the past few 
days, I have done only two things with the computer.  One, I installed 
3 optional updates from Windows Update.  Two, I tried the OCR feature 
of Virtual View for the ffist time.  I enabled the 'Windows TIF 
Ifilter before trying Virtual View.  I unchecked the Windows TIF 
Ifilter after having the problem extracting books.  I have not 
uninstalled the latest updates as yet but I will if recommended to do so.


I am running Windows 7 HP, WE 9.4 on an Acer laptop 64-bit with 3 gigs 
of ram.


Any ideas would be appreciated.

Regards,

Dan



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Re: Thunderbird Focus issues

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Ok, when using nvda, and Jaws they work just fine with thunderbird.

Window eyes is the problem the thunderbird set files aren't even loaded 
you have to manually unload and thenload them before they are active.


But that does not fix the back space issue when ereasing what you have 
written.


I Know several people who are strong window eyes users that switched 
either to nvda or jaws.


Because of thunderbird issues, and browse mode issues.

Ihave been a window eyes user for more then ten years but as of late use 
window eyes very seldomly.



On 5/25/2016 8:38 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:

Hi Jed,
Well, like you, I do experience many problems with TB.  In fact, not 
sure why so many think it is so great, I don't but I am using it.  I 
also think that there are a few problems with WE and focus both with 
TB and other programs.  One thing I have noticed is that often, WE 
does not have the proper set file loaded.  Just before writing this 
note, I was in TB with the mailbox list opened and I went to the WE 
control panel only to find that the active set file was Wineyes.set.  
I have witnessed this behavior in other situations including when I 
write a reply to an email.  It is not consistent.  I just interrupted 
my composing to see if I could use arrow and numpad keys.  The left 
arrow and right arrow keys do move but not the up and down arrows.  
Interestingly enough, the numpad keys do nothing except giving the 
frustyrating ding. However, If I use the shift with numpad keys they 
seem to work properly and text is either selected or deselected.
I am currently running the latest version of TB and WE on a new 
Toshiba Satellite laptop.  I have been wondering if there is some 
peculiarity with the system settings for the keyboard.  I have found a 
setting that says "use the numpad keys to move the mouse".  I did 
change this setting but can't figure out what changes occurred.  
Unlike my previous laptop, this new one has the numpad on the keyboard 
whereas before, I used and external numpad.  In that situation, I was 
able to use the keys on the external numpad to move around on the 
desktop but with the new machine, I cannot.  However, if I hold down 
the shift key, then the numpad keys do allow the reading of items on 
the desktop and I can move up and down as well as left to right.  So, 
I think there is something amiss. Another reason I think there are 
focus problems with WE is that often WE will speak things from recent 
past, that is, it will speak either something from a previous web page 
or from another message.  So, I continue to have the same frustrations.


On 5/25/2016 1:35 AM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, my frustration is getting bigger with thunderbird.  I am running the
latest TB, we 9.4, and eyt again on a brand new computer, still having
the issues where i can't read up and down with my arrow keys in TB.  I
have to keep re-focusing.  Is anyone else having this problem? This is
getting very old, and i'm pretty tired of it. It's quite frankly
unacceptable  While writing this message, i just tried going left and
right with the arrow keys, and it literally says nothing.  Any ideas?
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Re: maybe you will believe me now. Re: the upgrade assistant says the display driver is blocking installation

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

uninstall the display driver and then  install window eyes and then 
repair the display driver



On 8/5/2016 12:21 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
as i have said. this creation tool is not the same version that 
everyone else is trying to use.
it installed the anaversory version without haveing to uninstall 
anything.

this person got it to work too. so i am not the only one.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

-Original Message- From: Bob Tinney
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 3:21 AM
To: net bat
Subject: Re: the upgrade assistant says the display driver is blocking 
installation


NetBat,


The media creation tool worked.  As I'm writing this, windows 10
anniversary addition is being installed.  Thanks for the tip!


I used the media creation tool when I first installed windows 10, but I
didn't scroll down far enough on the Microsoft page to see this tool
when I tried this upgrade.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

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Re: Called JAWS the other day

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is this for jaws home, or jaws pro?
On 1/14/2017 4:44 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:

Had too much time on my hands the other day, so decided to Call the
folks over at JAWS to see what their current pricing would be for a new
copy of JAWS 18.

I was told $1100

then I asked if I would receive a discount if I owned Window eyes.  Theguy
told me, No, the price for a new copy of JAWS 18 would be $1100.

For you Sun is always Shining Optimists, perhaps this will change in the
future.   And for those of you who see the Window Eyes Sky Falling, best
start saving up your spare change.  $1100 firm.

Grumpy Dave




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Re: first time, ever!

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

i have noticed this, but i wonder if they are waiting for a major release?


On 1/19/2017 4:24 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

do you all realize that for the very first time, not a single
representative has touted the new release or update of window-eyes since
the beginning of the company?
That is what is disconcerting to me!

-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
K6VFO
San Bernardino, CA


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Re: miranda ng no longer working

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what service are you trying to use with it?


On 9/5/2016 5:53 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys.

Anyone on here using miranda ng?  It's logging in, and i can see my 
contacts.  However when i try and send a message, i get a nasty sound. 
This has been going on for several weeks.  Anyone else having this 
problem?

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Re: Some Chicken Nugget Questions

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

do alt a for the settings window


On 9/14/2016 2:51 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, i am just getting back in to twitter.  I can not figure out for 
the life of me how to get to the settings in Chicken Nugget. I can do 
control windows left and right arrow, but all i see is stuff like 
home, sent, and all that, no settings what so ever.  Am i missing 
something?

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Re: hiding red mail in Thunderbird

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Jim, and others to just display your unread emails in thunder bird go to 
the view menu by doing alt v then down arrow to threads sub menu and 
right arrow now down arrow to unread and enter on it. this should show 
you the unread messages.



On 10/9/2016 8:05 PM, Jim Elsner via Talk wrote:
How can I hide my red messages in the Thunderbird inbox?   Just want 
to see the unread.

Thanks

Jim
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Alva 570 Pro

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How can you get an Alva 570 Pro to work with windows 7 64 bit?


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Re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

Jeremy thanks for your decatication and great help you have given us 
through out your time at gwmicro/asquared I pray that your next job is a 
great one as well.


I also am a christian and God is leading you intosomething even better 
in the long run I do believe.


God Bless you.


On 10/14/2016 2:14 PM, Jeremy Curry via Talk wrote:

Thank you very much, Linda.

God Bless,

Jeremy


-Original Message-
From: Linda Mentink [mailto:ment...@frontiernet.net]
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 2:54 PM
To: Jeremy Curry ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: re: Jeremy Curry is leaving Ai Squared

Hi Jeremy,

I wish you the best. I'm always encouraged when I see that people are willing 
to say that God is leading them. That's important to a Christian, and that's a 
wonderful Bible verse.

Blessings,

Linda

  - Original Message -
From: Jeremy Curry via Talk 

Re: Steve Clower

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

You know I feel this as well; The thing is that Since Asquared bought 
out GWMicro the software has not gotten any better; the tech support has 
gotten lax in what they do; and lets face it the main contributers for 
the Window eyes screen reader have all but gone.


So Yes I do agree the writing is on the wall for window eyes.



On 11/22/2016 8:20 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
It's also news to me as well.  With several employees leaving AI 
Squared, it looks like the writing is on the wall for Window Eyes!


-Original Message- From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:54 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; kitty hevener
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

:( this is news to me. I must have missed the email announcing he was
leaving. Need anymore proof we is going to be killed off yet?



On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:08 AM kitty hevener via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


reg, a few weeks ago, he emailed us to say he was leaving.  I forgot
exactly
what his last date was, but perhaps it has happened.

-Original Message-
From: Reg Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:03 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Steve Clower

After having striven mightily to help me with a Sonar problem, my last
mail to Steve Clower got an automated reply, indicating that he has left
A I Squared.  This was a bit sudden wasn't it?

If you have any support matters pending with Steve, you might want to
make sure that they are still in the works.

--
Reg


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Re: Firefox version: how can you find out?

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do alt t then down arrow to add ons and enter now shift tab until you 
get the list of things you can look at look for apperence and then tab 
you will get the version of fire fox you are running.



On 10/17/2016 9:41 AM, via Talk wrote:

Hey, folks.

  


After reading the discussion about Adobe flash, I went into the Firefox
Help> About dialog, but Window-Eyes will not read anything in the static
box. I doubt I'm the only person with this problem, so how does one find out
what version of FF is installed?

  


Lou N.

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Re: Thunderbird question

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

do alt d and type in your web site address. and prwess enter.


On 1/11/2017 10:13 AM, Albert Sanchez via Talk wrote:

I mean FireFox in my previous message,
Thanks, Albert Sanchez
- Original Message - From: "Albert Sanchez via Talk" 


To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:00 AM
Subject: Thunderbird question



Hi List,
I am using Thunderbird on my Windows 7 system with WE 9.0 and have 
the following problem. Whenever I open Tbird and enter a website to 
go to it opens a website that is full of Add-ons, how do I get rid of 
that so that I can open whatever website I want without this 
difficulty, thanks,

Albert Sanchez
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Re: window eyes.

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

see that is also the problem the app get app along with everything is 
gone, so no way of reinstalling the apps.




On 1/11/2017 3:55 PM, Mike Rogers wrote:

Three fourths of my aps suddenly disappeared, last week.  I had to re-install 
them.  Also, my placecards all disappeared and the function no longer works.  
Very strange.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 14:20:26 -0600
Singing Sparrow via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


apperently the people at VFO are asuming all people have the free window eyes 
for office, this makes me wonder if they have stopped sellingwindow eyes all 
together. has anyone had problems with their apps not being installed or not 
showing up after countless of restarts and shut downs i can not get any of my 
apps to show up i have shut off and on appsand that does not seem to work 
either.


On 1/11/2017 2:04 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Where do you turn it off?



-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:56 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: passwords not speaking

Pam,
Having passwords say star is just a Window-Eyes option that's on by
default. It's so we're not broadcasting our password through speech when
others are around. But you can turn it off.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/11/2017 2:47 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

I just realized a little while ago about the subject of this message:
passwords not speaking.  I was always told that passwords would not be
spoken for security reasons.  It says star instead.  Or was the person
saying that it didn't even say star?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:02 PM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: passwords not speaking

Brice,

I'd keep this in mind. And if you have any problems with Window-Eyes I'd
put it in an exclusion list. Your antivirus may consider it a key
logger. Although if it does usually none of the browse mode keys work.

Regards,
Tom


On 1/11/2017 1:27 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

Did you install a new virus suite? The one I use prevents any feedback
when entering my password. You don't even hear star.
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window eyes.

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

apperently the people at VFO are asuming all people have the free window 
eyes for office, this makes me wonder if they have stopped sellingwindow 
eyes all together. has anyone had problems with their apps not being 
installed or not showing up after countless of restarts and shut downs i 
can not get any of my apps to show up i have shut off and on appsand 
that does not seem to work either.



On 1/11/2017 2:04 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Where do you turn it off?



-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:56 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: passwords not speaking

Pam,
Having passwords say star is just a Window-Eyes option that's on by
default. It's so we're not broadcasting our password through speech when
others are around. But you can turn it off.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/11/2017 2:47 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

I just realized a little while ago about the subject of this message:
passwords not speaking.  I was always told that passwords would not be
spoken for security reasons.  It says star instead.  Or was the person
saying that it didn't even say star?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:02 PM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: passwords not speaking

Brice,

I'd keep this in mind. And if you have any problems with Window-Eyes I'd
put it in an exclusion list. Your antivirus may consider it a key
logger. Although if it does usually none of the browse mode keys work.

Regards,
Tom


On 1/11/2017 1:27 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

Did you install a new virus suite? The one I use prevents any feedback
when entering my password. You don't even hear star.
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Re: moremac information

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

you would need either window eyes jaws or nvda or narrator to read the 
stuff on windows on the mac.



On 3/22/2017 4:31 AM, anthony borg wrote:

Hello

But do you have to have a diferent screen reader installed to read windows
on mac? Or voice over can read it as well?

Thanks in advance

Anthony

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+anthonyborg001=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: 20 March 2017 05:50
To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Reeva Webb' <jadedangelpromi...@gmail.com>
Subject: moremac information

I like windows but I am leaning more towards a mac because of the things
that people have to go through for windows.

I mean, come on; I mean with the way that window eyes and jaws are competing
with each other even though that VFO has them both under their banner it is
very sad that things have come to this parting of the markets i mean that
since VFO has both jaws, window eyes, magic and zoomtext the markets aren't
going to be very friendly in the long run; and as to a mac you don't have to
worry about if your windows computer goes by the way side that you have to
re-register your copy of windows
10 with a mac all Mac OS versions are free and that the built in screen
reader "voiceover" is totally built into the OS.

that makes a mac a very viable option and yes they are mor expensive then a
window computer but they are built to last; also you can run windows on a
mac as well, so you do have the best of both worlds.
3/19/2017 2:24 PM, Steve Nutt via Talk wrote:

Hi Reeva,

I'm with you here.  Even the Chromebook is really getting good now.  If I
could find a good audio editing program for the Chromebook, I'm almost

done

with PCs.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk

[mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: 16 March 2017 06:54
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Dennis Long
<dennisl1...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account

You know, this gets me thinking esp. With the conversations I've had in

the

past week. We're getting what we wanted for years. We can go into a
electronics store and buy a iphone, a android phone, a mac, a chromebook

and

soon windows computers  with accessibility out of the box. You don't have

to

spend extra money unless you want to.  While what is happening with zt
fusion, something I spent my own money to buy makes me mad. I'm seriously
considering just going fully with mainstream products. I find myself using
my android devices more and pulling out my laptop less.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Mar 16, 2017 1:18 AM, "Dennis Long via Talk"

<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

wrote:

I agree with you completely!

-Original Message-
From: Talk

[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:12 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

Problem is you i phone users think everyone can use one and can use a

touch

screen.  They are not for everyone.  I think blind folks fall into that
worse than any group.  if it works for me, it is great for everyone
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:


I really think that in the very near future "adaptive" technology will
become a thing of the past. We aren't there yet, but more and more
things are becoming voice activated, and voice commanded. The market
for such special items as Window-eyes and Jaws is waining. Heck, the I
phone out of the box gives the blind user access to GPS, internet
searches, txt messageing, etc, without the need of an expensive piece
of software that at best in moderately useable. It's just a matter of

time.

-Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:05 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Failure to hold VFO to account

Greetings all.

I've just flicked through the latest edition of Access World from AFB.
We are promised CSUN updates in April.

In the 21st  Century, and with our accessible technology industry
going through significant change, not to mention the demise of the
pony express, the failure of someone to get down and dirty with VFO
leadership suggests to me that we are being let down by credible

information sources.

Quite reasonably, AFB promotes its sponsorship of the Blind Bargain
blogs concerning CSUN events and exhibits, but these don't cut it iehter.

One of the disappointing things about services like Apple Vis is that
although often people exchange useful information, the leadership

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

from what i  heard from an employee from VFO window eyes developement  
and other resources will be drastically stopped the efforts will be 
going towards Jaws and Zoomtext



On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

We don't know WE is going away.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

Hi Sky and List


I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.


I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push
for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws.  The number
of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws
SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of
jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws.


Just a thought,

Brenda


On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hello Kevin and Vaughn.  Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind
organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance,  Window-Eyes would not
have gotten extinct and this would not have happened.  Below, I'm
going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on
this list, and I support him 100 percent!




Email 1:

Hi Sky,
   

   
Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said,

had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured
window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct
at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are
somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system
has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader
has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind
community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is
another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity,
it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a
ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the
blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just
say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to
prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten,
evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors
to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were
prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make

those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility.
   

   
I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would

be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and
nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth.
Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major
money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining.
They have some power but it is only token gesture.
   

   
There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will

be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He
owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond
anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't
own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as
jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind.
   

   
If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what

we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up a
petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so called
institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may not do
very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short time and
always be part of the history of blind peoples lives in a corrupt and

overbearing system.
 




Email 2:




From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: window eyes proposal

Hi Sky,
   
I listened to the podcast from scun. I am not only disgusted but

really pissed off at VFO and with the presenters at the tech podcast.
~Why aren't they kicking up hell? Probably because they are jaws
users. I got that impression just by their attitude. Zoom text and
fusion was an AI squared and window-eyes conception. Not a VFO idea. I
did say that's why they bought out ai squared and it seems I was
right. They are going to unceremoniously dump window-eyes. No new
updadtes, no upgrades, nothing, no development. The list really has to
do something at this stage. We really have to get together and make
sure VFO are aware of our feelings. Everyone who has paid for sma's
are now entitled to a full refund, no questions asked. No development
means no upgrades, no upgrades equals no need for sma's. No sma's means

they are stealing our money under false pretences.
   
This time things have gone too far. 

Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

that should also give you uncontracted braille instead of contracted 
braille input and output.



On 3/17/2017 5:42 PM, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:

You can set braille input and output on the iPhone, contracted, 6 dot,
or 8 dot in both cases.



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Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

I like windows but I am leaning more towards a mac because of the things 
that people have to go through for windows.


I mean, come on; I mean with the way that window eyes and jaws are 
competing with each other even though that VFO has them both under their 
banner it is very sad that things have come to this parting of the 
markets i mean that since VFO has both jaws, window eyes, magic and 
zoomtext the markets aren't going to be very friendly in the long run; 
and as to a mac you don't have to worry about if your windows computer 
goes by the way side that you have to re-register your copy of windows 
10 with a mac all Mac OS versions are free and that the built in screen 
reader "voiceover" is totally built into the OS.


that makes a mac a very viable option and yes they are mor expensive 
then a window computer but they are built to last; also you can run 
windows on a mac as well, so you do have the best of both worlds. 
3/19/2017 2:24 PM, Steve Nutt via Talk wrote:

Hi Reeva,

I'm with you here.  Even the Chromebook is really getting good now.  If I
could find a good audio editing program for the Chromebook, I'm almost done
with PCs.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: 16 March 2017 06:54
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Dennis Long

Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account

You know, this gets me thinking esp. With the conversations I've had in the
past week. We're getting what we wanted for years. We can go into a
electronics store and buy a iphone, a android phone, a mac, a chromebook and
soon windows computers  with accessibility out of the box. You don't have to
spend extra money unless you want to.  While what is happening with zt
fusion, something I spent my own money to buy makes me mad. I'm seriously
considering just going fully with mainstream products. I find myself using
my android devices more and pulling out my laptop less.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Mar 16, 2017 1:18 AM, "Dennis Long via Talk" 
wrote:

I agree with you completely!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:12 PM
To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

Problem is you i phone users think everyone can use one and can use a touch
screen.  They are not for everyone.  I think blind folks fall into that
worse than any group.  if it works for me, it is great for everyone
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:


I really think that in the very near future "adaptive" technology will
become a thing of the past. We aren't there yet, but more and more
things are becoming voice activated, and voice commanded. The market
for such special items as Window-eyes and Jaws is waining. Heck, the I
phone out of the box gives the blind user access to GPS, internet
searches, txt messageing, etc, without the need of an expensive piece
of software that at best in moderately useable. It's just a matter of

time.

-Original Message- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:05 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Failure to hold VFO to account

Greetings all.

I've just flicked through the latest edition of Access World from AFB.
We are promised CSUN updates in April.

In the 21st  Century, and with our accessible technology industry
going through significant change, not to mention the demise of the
pony express, the failure of someone to get down and dirty with VFO
leadership suggests to me that we are being let down by credible

information sources.

Quite reasonably, AFB promotes its sponsorship of the Blind Bargain
blogs concerning CSUN events and exhibits, but these don't cut it iehter.

One of the disappointing things about services like Apple Vis is that
although often people exchange useful information, the leadership
fails to critique the shortcomings of Apple with respect to its
developments in the specialty area of access.  The same seems true on
the Windows side of the divide - with no one prepared to critique
VFO's

behaviours.

Vaughan.


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Re: Failure to hold VFO to account

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

Sometimes i wonder what microsoft really saw in window eyes in the first 
place?
I mean they could have advanced narrater to the point it is today with 
in windows 10 and made it work fluently with all windowsoperating systems.

On 3/17/2017 7:57 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

Yep, and we don't know what microsoft was paying for the product.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 16 Mar 2017, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hi Vaughn.  When the office deal came out, remember, they have two 
versions

of Window-Eyes that you can get.  The free version, with office, and the
paid for version which would give you the tech support.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 7:46 PM
To: 'ukekearu...@valtdnet.com'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account

I feel that the key point as this relates to Window-eyes is missed: 
if you
don't pay - you can presume to not get. The Window-Eyes for Office 
deal has
meant that there is no cash to fix long standing problems or to 
develop new

features.

People who make a business choice to develop tools which make our lives
better do also have to live.  Although I will always remain unhappy with
current developments, the software engineers who continue to develop 
screen

readers are tradable - they can sell their skills to someone else.

I do believe that the virtual monopoly on screen readers especially for
those who are employed is a bad thng.  But - it is what we have, and it
might be that there is now a huge barrier which prevents others from
offering choice to consumers.
Tough as it is: we have to make spending choices, and certainly, if
financial assistance is there - take it.  But: someone produces and 
sells,

someone else buys and consumes.

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Friday, 17 March 2017 3:34 p.m.
To: 'Tony C'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account

Tony, I could not agree more!  It seems to me that blind folks are 
pretty
happy being ripped off.  Petitions fall on deaf ears, elements of 
deceitful
dishonesty beat down like hurricanes and tornados, and stun guns are 
always

at the ready to fire and knock the blind out!

If the goings-on had happened in the mainstream, antitrust law would 
have
been cited and everything would have gone under quietly.  With 
impunity and

flagrant disregard, the blind continue to borrow the phrase from Animal
Farm:  "Four legs good, two legs bad!"  Milk on Freedom Scientific, V 
F O

Group, AI Square, ...  Did I miss any?

Hmm, anyone knows what's holding the U.S. Treasury back from 
complying with

the court order by making the dollar bill more accessible?  The junk
noteteller they choose to hand me is utterly worthless and useless
especially in a business environment where I have more prying eyes 
watching.


Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: makeing the switch

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

To be honest with you I feel the same way.

I have been a loyal jaws, and window eyes user for over a decade and I 
am finding that Voiceover handels web content better then the windows 
screen readers now a days.


Also the cost of the screen reader in a mac is free and is also 
constantly updated and when a new Mac OS comes out you don't have to pay 
for the upgrades for the screen reader.




On 4/4/2017 5:04 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:

Well, I guess I’ve fought it for as long as I can. I’ve refused for several 
years to consider switching to a Mac, but with the apparent demise of Window 
Eyes, and Jaws sucking as it always has, I’m going to be making the switch. 
I’ve been a loyal WE user since 2004, but it seems that it’s time to teach an 
old dog new tricks. lol. I can take my I phone or my I pad mini and have no 
problem using programs like Netflix, Slink, and other websites using Voice 
Over, that WE and Jaws say hey can’t because the sites aren’t accessible. I 
think I’ll keep one of my Windows PC’s with WE on it just so I can look back 
and think of all the money I spent just to be left with my thumb up my nose. 
When I think of the money I’ve spent maintaining a screen reader, and now the 
built in screen reader with the IOS works great with all those websites that 
were called by tech support for Jaws and window eyes “inaccessible”.. I know I 
may catch some flack for this, but it’s the truth none the less.I guess VFO 
thinks they’ve cornered the market on Screen readers, but I refuse to do 
business with them, because of who they are and who they are connected with. I 
started out with Windows 95 and JFW back in 1995, and I used Jaws up untill 
2004 when a friend of mine and myself started building a web site, he was a WE 
user and I a Jaws user. I couldn’t do some of the thing with jaws and Freedom 
Scientific’s tech support told me it was because the page builder I was usin 
was “inaccessible”, but my buddy with Window eyes could do it. I started using 
WE to work on the website and as I got used to it I began using is more and 
more for other things. I found that WE worked “out of the box” with more 
programs than Jaws did. So, in 2004 I became a Window eyes user. now I’m sad to 
say that the same type of thing has happened, except this time is between 
Window eyes Windows and Voice Over and Mac. I will be buying my first Mac in a 
couple of months and telling WE and Windows goodby.
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Re: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

I would have to beg to differ on this one and i have loaded many complex 
word documents into word for mac and I have never had Voiceover die on me.



On 4/2/2017 6:12 AM, Steve Nutt via Talk wrote:

Hi,

You are having a laugh.  Just load a Word file with a complex table into
Word for Mac and watch VO die.  VO is about Narrator's level I'd say.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: 01 April 2017 20:16
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and
more

VFO is going to be kissing my rear soon. I'm already making plans to make
the switch to MAC. The Apple/Mac OS is just more stable, and the built in
voice over works with so much more stuff than any of the Windows screen
readers. Places like VFO keep trying to "rape" the blind community, and that
I believe is about to come to an end, just like the NFB's influence on
Washington is about to be curbed. There's a growing number of Blind and VI
people who are contacting ther Rep's and Congresmen and Washington to
denounce the NFB and their ways. Halleua.

-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:40 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more

Notice in this two part podcast, nothing is said about window-eyes.  Also
notice what is said about the soon to be windows 10 creators update.
Part 1 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU032417.mp3?dest-id=68811
Part 2 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU033117.mp3?dest-id=68811
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Re: gun shy about new laptop

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

depending on what you do you canchange this by holding down the fn key 
and pressing the escape key this turns your function keeys back to 
regular f1 through 12 no need then for the fn key plus f8 I have a 
lenovo laptop and this is what I learned from lenovo .



On 4/12/2017 1:35 PM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

Hi robin,

I have a similar story to yours.  I am now a casual home computer user 
as I no longer do medical transcription.  I own a 15 inch Lenovo 
laptop which I purchased last spring when my Win7 pc almost died.



When I called Window-eyes Tech support to find out what to avoid with 
laptops, I was not warned about the function keys being designated and 
the need to press the FN key to overide the default uses.  Best buy 
didn't tell me this eather until I had already paid for Geek Squad 
service/set-up, and my laptop was ready to go home.



fortunately, my laptop does have an application key.  Also, my numpad 
has an insert key  as part of the numpad.  the numpad insert key is 
very small, but it is there.  could you have this key without 
realizing it (just a thought)?



I still don't like having to use the FN key when i want to use the 
Window-eyes copy & paste key F8 in some programs. It is a nuisance to 
use the FN+fF6 key in Thunderbird as if you do it wrong it turns 
airplane mode on and I lose my wifi connection.  F5 to refresh is the 
only other function key I have to look out for, but these are not 
Window-eyes command keys.  F1 is really tricky because it will mute 
speech if the FN key is not pressed.  that being said, it is sometimes 
convenient to have the system function keys for things like volume and 
close down.



I haven't used the laptop layout, but could that be a solution for now?


My Lenovo laptop cost $350 at Best Buy.  It was discontinued shortly 
after that, but it has what I need.  Lenovo could be an option for you.



The only thing I like about laptops is that if the power goes out the 
computer doesn't shut down.  My husband was able to revive my Win7 
desktop, and I will use my Win7 desktop until it really dies and 
forces me to become proficient with Win10 on a laptop, possibly with 
the laptop layout for Window-eyes.



sorry for lengthening a short ansre.  Just my thoughts on the subject.


Brenda

because I will use my Win7 desktop until it really dies.




On 4/12/2017 12:14 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
Late last summer I got a new HP laptop. The primary thing that drew 
me to it in the store was the keyboard layout of having the 10-key 
number pad on the right, yet only being a 15 inch screen.  What I did 
not realize until after I got it home and paid money for a tech to 
come help me set it up was two things.  First, it does not have the 
application key, which I have learned to get around with the Shift 
F10 keystroke.  The bigger problem was the whole thing we've talked 
about with now having to push the FN key in order to get the function 
keys to work the way I want.  (I had not found someone who was 
comfortable going into the bios to help me see about changing this.)  
The biggest problem Is that this function key thing also applies to 
the Insert key, as it is right next to the F12 key.  I've gotten 
pretty good at using the caps lock key instead, but this requires 
some real finger gymnastics to activate certain Window Eyes command.  
Aside from all this, there is also some 

we
  ird clicking thing that the keyboard occasionally does that is 
annoying. All this to say, it's not been a great experience and had I 
not invested in paying a tech to set up the computer for me, I 
probably would have quickly returned it to Costco for a refund or 
exchange.


So, I'm in a situation now where I may be giving this laptop to my 
sighted husband and getting a new one, but I'm gun-shy about how not 
to repeat this problem in my laptop selection.  I am not a heavy 
computer user at home, so did not want to spend much money, although 
I'm not looking for the cheapest netbook thing either.  I mainly 
looked at Best Buy and Costco, because I wanted to get my hands on 
the keyboard and feel the layout.  I like that Costco doubles the 
manufacturer's warranty and provides great, free help desk support 
for the computers purchased there.


Any advice from those of you having purchased computers lately on how 
to navigate this keyboard dilemma, especially if buying one online?  
I'd really like to stay in the $500 range, if possible.


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Re: Staying with what I know

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

I agree with this I think having both a mac, and a windows computer is a 
very smart thing to do.



On 4/12/2017 5:56 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
   I'm keeping my windows 10 and WE also. I'm getting the Mac because 
I want to learn it, and I also want to be prepared when VFO And JFW 
tries to put the screws to everyone. LOL


-Original Message- From: CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 10:23 AM
To: 'Jo Taliaferro' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Staying with what I know

I'd feel the same as you. My fear is that all this negatism actually
threatens the product.



Alison

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Re: ZoomText Fusion

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

To me it looks like all things concerning window eyes are on the way out.


On 3/8/2017 8:48 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
   I take it, this means all current users of Zoomtext Fusion using 
Window-Eyes are out of luck for any future updates?


-Original Message- From: Loy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 5:38 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: ZoomText Fusion

Doug from AISquared told me a while back that the next version of 
Fusion would be powered by JAWS.

 - Original Message -  From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
 To: 'Singing Sparrow' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 8:14 PM
 Subject: RE: ZoomText Fusion


 Whilst I can't add to this specific topic directly, apart from 
agreeing with comments made so far - I do note the absence to date of 
news regarding Window-Eyes developments.  Fusion was promoted at last 
year's CSUN by Ai Squared.


 I do need to check for new blogs and podcasts, but surely something 
from AI Squared?



 Vaughan.



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On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk

 Sent: Wednesday, 8 March 2017 2:11 p.m.
 To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Russ Kiehne
 Subject: Re: ZoomText Fusion

 I would like to know this as well; Since window eyes was the one that 
ordginally was used for the fusion?



 On 3/7/2017 8:54 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:
 > I refuse to upgrade my zt fusion. They taking away neospeech kate.  
i'm
 > trying not to go on swear word filled rant.   Making backup copies 
for sure.

 >
 >
 > "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never 
promised
 > night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of 
Jericho

 >
 > Reeva
 >
 > On Mar 7, 2017 8:14 AM, "Russ Kiehne via Talk" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

 > wrote:
 >
 >> I see that a new version of ZoomText Fusion will be released next 
month.
 >> this version which combines ZoomText and JAWS for Windows.  How 
will this

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Re: ZoomText Fusion

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

I would like to know this as well; Since window eyes was the one that 
ordginally was used for the fusion?



On 3/7/2017 8:54 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

I refuse to upgrade my zt fusion. They taking away neospeech kate.  i'm
trying not to go on swear word filled rant.   Making backup copies for sure.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On Mar 7, 2017 8:14 AM, "Russ Kiehne via Talk" 
wrote:


I see that a new version of ZoomText Fusion will be released next month.
this version which combines ZoomText and JAWS for Windows.  How will this
effect people using ZoomText Fusion  using Window-Eyes?
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Re: Outlook 2007 read/unread tags was RE: Outlook Question

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

I would be interestd in this as well.


On 8/15/2017 2:47 PM, Andre via Talk wrote:

Hi Olusegun,

I'd like the info for the office 2016 pro.

Thanks much,



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On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 4:35 PM
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Subject: RE: Outlook 2007 read/unread tags was RE: Outlook Question

Rather than take on a monthly subscription, I'd rather purchase Office 2016
Professional; there's a gentleman who has pretty good pricing on it for one
computer.  If ok, I'll share the info in the next post.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

Is there a way we can get a downloadable version of window eyes 9.5.4?
So we can have thison hand?
On 5/15/2017 9:48 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:

Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate you can 
continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you need 
to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded.  So 
9.5.4 is the last version.

Regards,
Doug

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Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to 
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
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Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States 
and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their 
local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor 
existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will 
continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased 
Window-Eyes or a support package.

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software 
indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or applications 
change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs.

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS(r) 
for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a smooth 
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software 
maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
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Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
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To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web 
form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an 
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Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
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July 31, 2017.

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not 
part of the conversion program.

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Re: FW: whole migrating situation

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

narrator first started in windows xp I remember me and my mother talking 
to microsoft  at the time and we actually got to speak with bill gates 
about putting speech into windows which I am glad he had taken the idea 
and put speech into windows.



On 5/16/2017 3:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:

Richard,

Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from
their inception.

However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability.
Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good
enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.

Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for
the problem came up with speech reading software.

I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full
time for many years for nothing.
How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?

~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
manufacturers.




Regards, John

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Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



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Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of
your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I
am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able
use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and
drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).

On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:


-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' 
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any  more.
I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do  you think I
have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are
the cheat sheets that

   c

   an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All

screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and  that  is where vfo should try to work with 

Re: whole migrating situation

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

well, even though it started in window s 2000 we still did talk to bill 
gates to get him to start putting speech into windows.




On 5/16/2017 4:06 PM, Darrell Bowles wrote:

In windows XP, narrator was very simple. But actually, near raider started in 
windows 2000. Look at windows 10, particularly the creators update, and 
narrator is not as simple as it once was.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 16, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Singing Sparrow via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

narrator first started in windows xp I remember me and my mother talking to 
microsoft  at the time and we actually got to speak with bill gates about 
putting speech into windows which I am glad he had taken the idea and put 
speech into windows.



On 5/16/2017 3:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:
Richard,

Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from
their inception.

However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability.
Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good
enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.

Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for
the problem came up with speech reading software.

I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full
time for many years for nothing.
How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?

~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
manufacturers.




Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many  of
your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and  you are
completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
not trying to offend  you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I
am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able
use a  computer if  you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and
drag all day long. If they use any  key strokes it is the windows key
strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation

I agree either accept the offer or don't.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (75); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation

With all due respect, you're sounding like a child.  One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have.  So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do.  I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.

No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).


On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:

-Original Message-
From: Kurlander Richard (75)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
Subject: whole migrating situation

As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
everyo

Re: window-eyes open source?

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

To Be honest with you nvda has a place for people wherejaws will not be 
able to fill. NVDA does things better thenJaws will ever do.



On 9/10/2017 10:50 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

It is far from being as good as jaws!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy
Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?

NVDA is not far from being as good as JAWS and  I can see it happening that
people will download the free program instead of paying hundreds of dollars
for a very similar program.
   - Original Message -
   From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Josh Kennedy
   Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 4:23 PM
   Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?


   Why couldn't it happen?



   On 9/10/2017 3:47 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
   > I don't see that happening.
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
   > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:08 PM
   > To: David; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   > Cc: Josh Kennedy
   > Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?
   >
   > I wonder what VFO would do if NVDA starting eating into their business
profits? If free open source NVDA would become way more popular than jaws
and would still be open source?
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > On 9/10/2017 2:54 AM, David wrote:
   >> Matter of fact, this question was raised a couple of days after the
   >> anouncement of the discontinued development of WinEyes. I will get
   >> back to what Doug said back then. First of all, let's take a quick look
at facts.
   >>
   >> Had it been as easy as WinEyes would have been a stand-alone software,
   >> with all its coding done 'in-house', things would have been pretty
easy.
   >> And had it been that Doug and Dan had been the only ones to develop
   >> the software, they could have decided whatever they wanted.
   >>
   >> Things are not that easy!
   >> First of all, what doug pointed out, was that to get the better
   >> functionality of WinEyes, they had to reach certain agreements with -
   >> for instance Adobe - to get access to third-party software, kind of
   >> behind the scene. If they open-sourced the code, now these techniques
   >> might be disclosed to the public, threatening the products of the
   >> third-party manufacturer. In turn, this of course would lead to
   >> people, not working on assistive technology at all, to get hold of the
   >> key for the backdoor of - say Adobe's reader - and use it for unwanted
   >> activity, or even malware development.
   >>
   >> Secondly, WinEyes had a feature of offering you loads of apps. Many of
   >> them are open-sourced, but WinEyes holds a chance for the app
   >> developer to cryptize his code, for protecting against peekers. This
   >> was a benefit, for instance when the app has to access a server, and
   >> maybe even use some login credencials, to perform the activity.
   >> Without me knowing for sure, we could think of an app like
   >> WeatherOrNot, which has to access a server, retrieve weather details,
and process them for you.
   >> Now if the developer has reached a given agreement with the
   >> weather-server provider, that his app will gain free access, under the
   >> condition of not disclosing the login credencials, we are in trouble
   >> in open-sourcing WinEyes. By doing so, we would disclose the
   >> cryptizing code, opening up for people to break the cryptized code of
   >> the app, get to the credencials, and then misuse it.
   >>
   >> Part of the agreement GW made with their app developers, by providing
   >> the cryptizing feature, was to keep the app code an enclosed program.
   >> They might get into legal issues, should they disclose the cryptizer,
   >> thereby lay bare the very code of the app developer, who in turn might
   >> sue GW for breaking the agreement. This is kind of backed up, by a
   >> message Doug posted several years back, when someone claimed they had
   >> broken the cryptizer.
   >>
   >> Furthermore, it has been confirmed from Aaron, that some of the apps
   >> directly from GW, like AppGet, do hold credencials for accessing the
   >> servers of GW. It is unlikely that they want to have these credencials
   >> open-sourced. In particular so, if you remember the attack someone
   >> gave them a few years back, when the code of the GWToolkit was hacked,
   >> and gave many a WinEyes user quite a shock the morning they turned on
   >> their computer, and got a threatening message on their screen.
   >>
   >> Mind you, GW got into a cooperation with Microsoft, when they
   >> introduced the WEForOffice program. Even here, they told that this
   >> agreement would put them in specially close relationship with the
   >> ingeneers of Microsoft. Who knows what closures 

Re: App updates

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

I would be interested in this because then we as window eyes users can 
get the functionality that we need.



On 9/7/2017 6:44 AM, David via Talk wrote:

Rod,

Did you try sending your initial message, to the WE Scripting list? From
old, I know a number of users were subscribing there, but not here on
the list. So might be a thing to consider, to send a message to that
list, as it would hit more directly with those who used to develop and
maintain apps for WE.


The rest of you,

Yes, it would be great for now, to have a way of distributing our
updates to current apps. Or, even brand new apps. Yet, I want to remind
you, some of the app developers will already have left WE, more or less,
so don't expect all apps to be maintained.


On 9/5/2017 11:52 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have updates for a couple of my apps, and even a new app or two, but VFO is 
no longer accepting app submissions.
Is anyone still interested enough in Window-Eyes to wish for someone to set up 
an independent website for the purpose of app updates?
I am trying to get a handle on who is still interested in receiving support for 
Window-Eyes, and so please circulate this question to any Window-Eyes users you 
know.

Sincere thanks,

Rod Hutton
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Re: window-eyes open source?

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

When did you hear this and where is the proof that VFO wants to buy NVDA?


On 9/10/2017 7:06 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:
where did you hear that from? and how can they purchase an open source 
product under the gpl?




On 9/10/2017 7:15 PM, ratshtron via Talk wrote:
don't push it! i have heard that they are wanting to purchase nvda 
and thus killing it as well.



Legend has it that on Sunday 9/10/2017 12:07 PM, Josh Kennedy via 
Talk said:


I wonder what VFO would do if NVDA starting eating into their 
business profits? If free open source NVDA would become way more 
popular than jaws and would still be open source? On 9/10/2017 2:54 
AM, David wrote: > Matter of fact, this question was raised a couple 
of days after the > anouncement of the discontinued development of 
WinEyes. I will get back > to what Doug said back then. First of 
all, let's take a quick look at facts. > > Had it been as easy as 
WinEyes would have been a stand-alone software, > with all its 
coding done 'in-house', things would have been pretty easy. > And 
had it been that Doug and Dan had been the only ones to develop the 
> software, they could have decided whatever they wanted. > > Things 
are not that easy! > First of all, what doug pointed out, was that 
to get the better > functionality of WinEyes, they had to reach 
certain agreements with - > for instance Adobe - to get access to 
third-party software, kind of > behind the scene. If they 
open-sourced the code, now these techniques > might be disclosed to 
the public, threatening the products of the > third-party 
manufacturer. In turn, this of course would lead to people, > not 
working on assistive technology at all, to get hold of the key for > 
the backdoor of - say Adobe's reader - and use it for unwanted 
activity, > or even malware development. > > Secondly, WinEyes had a 
feature of offering you loads of apps. Many of > them are 
open-sourced, but WinEyes holds a chance for the app developer > to 
cryptize his code, for protecting against peekers. This was a > 
benefit, for instance when the app has to access a server, and maybe 
> even use some login credencials, to perform the activity. Without 
me > knowing for sure, we could think of an app like WeatherOrNot, 
which has > to access a server, retrieve weather details, and 
process them for you. > Now if the developer has reached a given 
agreement with the > weather-server provider, that his app will gain 
free access, under the > condition of not disclosing the login 
credencials, we are in trouble in > open-sourcing WinEyes. By doing 
so, we would disclose the cryptizing > code, opening up for people 
to break the cryptized code of the app, get > to the credencials, 
and then misuse it. > > Part of the agreement GW made with their app 
developers, by providing > the cryptizing feature, was to keep the 
app code an enclosed program. > They might get into legal issues, 
should they disclose the cryptizer, > thereby lay bare the very code 
of the app developer, who in turn might > sue GW for breaking the 
agreement. This is kind of backed up, by a > message Doug posted 
several years back, when someone claimed they had > broken the 
cryptizer. > > Furthermore, it has been confirmed from Aaron, that 
some of the apps > directly from GW, like AppGet, do hold 
credencials for accessing the > servers of GW. It is unlikely that 
they want to have these credencials > open-sourced. In particular 
so, if you remember the attack someone gave > them a few years back, 
when the code of the GWToolkit was hacked, and > gave many a WinEyes 
user quite a shock the morning they turned on their > computer, and 
got a threatening message on their screen. > > Mind you, GW got into 
a cooperation with Microsoft, when they introduced > the WEForOffice 
program. Even here, they told that this agreement would > put them 
in specially close relationship with the ingeneers of > Microsoft. 
Who knows what closures might be involved there, and which > would 
be broken, had WE got open-sourced. > > Now let's move back to the 
answer Doug gave back in the spring this > year. The above is a bit 
of an elaboration of what he said. You will > find his answer in the 
archives, but in very short terms: > Â Â Â NOPE! WinEyes code 
CANNNOT go open-source; If for no other reasons, > due to the 
infringement of third-party agreements involved. > > All of this, 
actually leads me to once again raising the very question: >      
 Does VFO even have access to the WinEyes code? > VFO might have 
bought AISquared, thereby also the former GWMicro. But > they might 
not have bought the copyright of the source-code. And perhaps > that 
was never intended either. Seems all they wanted, was to rid the > 
market of any competition, period. Who knows, maybe Doug simply hit 
the > Delete-key, the last thing before he handed in the key for the 
Office > front-door? > > And to assume that VFO's tech personel 
would 

Re: Installing Jaws.

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

I am having the issue where it can not install I believe it is a visual 
run time but Not sure which run time I would need to use.



On 8/31/2017 9:41 AM, Carl Wake via Talk wrote:
My computer crashed. I am trying to reinstall Jaws.When I start 
installing  it stops and says Jaws can not install the required 
component. What does that mean and how do you fix that.

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nvda addons.

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

Ok, Larry here is the nvda addons page for addons for nvda.

https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html


On 3/30/2018 4:22 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
Just Curious. Are you in the insider program, or are you starting to 
see this with the present incarnation of Windows 10? As for me, I have 
not seen this behavior, so maybe I have something to look forward too.



I had to shut down just last Monday, and had no problem with the 
initiation of WE when restarting.



Guess I really better get serious about learning NVDA. If it weren't 
for having to worry about the purchase of new voices, I would have 
dedicated myself to the task a much longer time ago.



And if only either NVDA, or the folks at MS would add a scripting 
language so that those who write apps/scripts could get to work on 
some improvements to the use of Winamp or at least making it possible 
to placemark within IE, or Edge for that matter, the prospect of 
making the permanent switch wouldn't seem so grim.



On 3/29/2018 9:55 PM, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote:
This is going to be not that good for window eyes users. I am seeing 
the following, that window eyes will reboot your computer if you try 
and turn it on so something is going on witht he video intercept that 
is causing this I am thinking what does everyone else think?



On 3/29/2018 9:49 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:


 I copied this from another list.Hi everyone,
Below is an update on screen reader compatibility notice and a 
schedule of events regarding Version 1803:
A few weeks ago I sent out a preliminary notice regarding compatible 
screen readers with Windows 10 Version 1803. The below notice 
replaces the preliminary one and should be considered official 
compatibility notice from this forum cluster:
Windows 10 Version 1803 compatible screen readers: any screen reader 
supporting Version 1703 or later will work, although you may need to 
install releases optimized for 1803. The following are known 
compatible screen readers:

• Narrator : yes.
• NonVisual Desktop Access: 2018.1.1 or later.
• JAWS for Windows: 18.0.4350 or later, 2018.1802.78 or later.
• ZoomText: 11.5 or later.
• Any screen reader declaring support for Version 1703 (Creators 
Update) or later (except Window-Eyes).
Note: Window-Eyes is no longer supported as a compatible screen 
reader from this forum cluster as the product was discontinued.
Also, based on latest information available, the tentative schedule 
of events regarding Version 1803 (on this forum cluster) is as follows:
• Around April 3, 2018 or whenever it happens: Version 1803 build 
will be sent to release preview Insiders. From that day on, the 
entire forum cluster will enter Version 1803 era.

• Around April 10, 2018: Version 1803 makes public debut.
• April 11, 2018 or at most 24 hours after public release: critical 
standby begins. This is a 72-hour period where all activity on the 
Win10 forum will be suspended except for Version 1803 upgrade 
reports and impressions. This is also the period when Microsoft 
staff and screen reader vendor reps will get temporary moderator 
privileges so they can pass on critical information for screen 
reader users (please show them respect during that time).
• Between 1803 release date and 60 days after: countdown for Version 
1709 is in effect. During this time cumulative update notices for 
both 1709 and 1803 will be sent to the forum cluster.
• June 30, 2018 or end of 60 day countdown, whichever happens 
earlier: cumulative update announcements for 1709 will cease. The 
next KB alert for 1709 will be on April 2019 once it exits consumer 
support.

• December 2018: cumulative update for 1803 will cease.
• October 2019: last KB alert for 1803 as it exits consumer support.
The above schedule is subject to change – depends on when Version 
1803 will hit the air.

Cheers,
Joseph
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Re: screen reader compatibility

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

you can write addons for nvda to enhance the functionality of nvda for 
winamp and other programs.



On 3/30/2018 4:22 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
Just Curious. Are you in the insider program, or are you starting to 
see this with the present incarnation of Windows 10? As for me, I have 
not seen this behavior, so maybe I have something to look forward too.



I had to shut down just last Monday, and had no problem with the 
initiation of WE when restarting.



Guess I really better get serious about learning NVDA. If it weren't 
for having to worry about the purchase of new voices, I would have 
dedicated myself to the task a much longer time ago.



And if only either NVDA, or the folks at MS would add a scripting 
language so that those who write apps/scripts could get to work on 
some improvements to the use of Winamp or at least making it possible 
to placemark within IE, or Edge for that matter, the prospect of 
making the permanent switch wouldn't seem so grim.



On 3/29/2018 9:55 PM, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote:
This is going to be not that good for window eyes users. I am seeing 
the following, that window eyes will reboot your computer if you try 
and turn it on so something is going on witht he video intercept that 
is causing this I am thinking what does everyone else think?



On 3/29/2018 9:49 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:


 I copied this from another list.Hi everyone,
Below is an update on screen reader compatibility notice and a 
schedule of events regarding Version 1803:
A few weeks ago I sent out a preliminary notice regarding compatible 
screen readers with Windows 10 Version 1803. The below notice 
replaces the preliminary one and should be considered official 
compatibility notice from this forum cluster:
Windows 10 Version 1803 compatible screen readers: any screen reader 
supporting Version 1703 or later will work, although you may need to 
install releases optimized for 1803. The following are known 
compatible screen readers:

• Narrator : yes.
• NonVisual Desktop Access: 2018.1.1 or later.
• JAWS for Windows: 18.0.4350 or later, 2018.1802.78 or later.
• ZoomText: 11.5 or later.
• Any screen reader declaring support for Version 1703 (Creators 
Update) or later (except Window-Eyes).
Note: Window-Eyes is no longer supported as a compatible screen 
reader from this forum cluster as the product was discontinued.
Also, based on latest information available, the tentative schedule 
of events regarding Version 1803 (on this forum cluster) is as follows:
• Around April 3, 2018 or whenever it happens: Version 1803 build 
will be sent to release preview Insiders. From that day on, the 
entire forum cluster will enter Version 1803 era.

• Around April 10, 2018: Version 1803 makes public debut.
• April 11, 2018 or at most 24 hours after public release: critical 
standby begins. This is a 72-hour period where all activity on the 
Win10 forum will be suspended except for Version 1803 upgrade 
reports and impressions. This is also the period when Microsoft 
staff and screen reader vendor reps will get temporary moderator 
privileges so they can pass on critical information for screen 
reader users (please show them respect during that time).
• Between 1803 release date and 60 days after: countdown for Version 
1709 is in effect. During this time cumulative update notices for 
both 1709 and 1803 will be sent to the forum cluster.
• June 30, 2018 or end of 60 day countdown, whichever happens 
earlier: cumulative update announcements for 1709 will cease. The 
next KB alert for 1709 will be on April 2019 once it exits consumer 
support.

• December 2018: cumulative update for 1803 will cease.
• October 2019: last KB alert for 1803 as it exits consumer support.
The above schedule is subject to change – depends on when Version 
1803 will hit the air.

Cheers,
Joseph
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Re: screen reader compatibility

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

This is going to be not that good for window eyes users. I am seeing the 
following, that window eyes will reboot your computer if you try and 
turn it on so something is going on witht he video intercept that is 
causing this I am thinking what does everyone else think?



On 3/29/2018 9:49 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:


 I copied this from another list.Hi everyone,
Below is an update on screen reader compatibility notice and a 
schedule of events regarding Version 1803:
A few weeks ago I sent out a preliminary notice regarding compatible 
screen readers with Windows 10 Version 1803. The below notice replaces 
the preliminary one and should be considered official compatibility 
notice from this forum cluster:
Windows 10 Version 1803 compatible screen readers: any screen reader 
supporting Version 1703 or later will work, although you may need to 
install releases optimized for 1803. The following are known 
compatible screen readers:

• Narrator : yes.
• NonVisual Desktop Access: 2018.1.1 or later.
• JAWS for Windows: 18.0.4350 or later, 2018.1802.78 or later.
• ZoomText: 11.5 or later.
• Any screen reader declaring support for Version 1703 (Creators 
Update) or later (except Window-Eyes).
Note: Window-Eyes is no longer supported as a compatible screen reader 
from this forum cluster as the product was discontinued.
Also, based on latest information available, the tentative schedule of 
events regarding Version 1803 (on this forum cluster) is as follows:
• Around April 3, 2018 or whenever it happens: Version 1803 build will 
be sent to release preview Insiders. From that day on, the entire 
forum cluster will enter Version 1803 era.

• Around April 10, 2018: Version 1803 makes public debut.
• April 11, 2018 or at most 24 hours after public release: critical 
standby begins. This is a 72-hour period where all activity on the 
Win10 forum will be suspended except for Version 1803 upgrade reports 
and impressions. This is also the period when Microsoft staff and 
screen reader vendor reps will get temporary moderator privileges so 
they can pass on critical information for screen reader users (please 
show them respect during that time).
• Between 1803 release date and 60 days after: countdown for Version 
1709 is in effect. During this time cumulative update notices for both 
1709 and 1803 will be sent to the forum cluster.
• June 30, 2018 or end of 60 day countdown, whichever happens earlier: 
cumulative update announcements for 1709 will cease. The next KB alert 
for 1709 will be on April 2019 once it exits consumer support.

• December 2018: cumulative update for 1803 will cease.
• October 2019: last KB alert for 1803 as it exits consumer support.
The above schedule is subject to change – depends on when Version 1803 
will hit the air.

Cheers,
Joseph
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