RE: WE suddenly notifying me I have an evaluation copy

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Mr. Clower, wow, so good to read from you in this space!  Reading your
thoughts in this space brings back yesterday's memories when you and Gerry
and Mike amongst others were helping me and my company with making the
Moneygram app more accessible using Window-Eyes!

Thank you for the great work you all did.  I plan to LEAVE THIS LIST soon,
but I wanted to be able to say THANK YOU to as many GW Micro employees in
this space as possible that made sure I stayed SUBSTANTIALLY GAINFULLY
EMPLOYED.  

I am internally and externally grateful to you all; no other screen reader
has helped me TO BEAT THE ODDS, only Window-Eyes!  I sure hope that some
sweet day, it can still be resuscitated in my life time.  Take care sire,
God richly bless and keep you all!!


Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado









HI, I AM ANDROID, THE THINKING PERSON'S OS!!

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RE: New to the list, saying hello

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Jane, you'd probably need Version 9.5.4!  Like you, I MISS WINDOW-EYES
beyond words.  Jaws and its awkward keystroke combinations send shivers over
and above my spines, yet it remains the ONLY DOMINANT GAME in town; sounds
like it is backed by some interesting politicians who are good at the game
of punch, punch and punch some more.

You did say in your post that Doug added you to the list; hmm, could you be
referring to Doug Geoffray?  Is it possible that he's still lurking around
and just listening to us as often as he could?  

Window-Eyes, from its grave, continues to play ball well with Windows10
despite what a few pundits say.  I have not migrated to Windows10 yet; what
I have set up is working for me and I choose to LEAVE WELL alone.  I am a
lot busier TINKERING WITH APPS in Androidville such that the thought of
CROSSING THE REDMOND BRIDGE is just not there for now.  Anyhow, I'll keep on
running and let others set the records a bit more straighter than I may have
done.  Good luck and all the very best!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 

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RE: Edit Boxes Won't Accept Data

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Tom, may be time to give another browser a good spin.  The Brave Browser is
one that I have played with, perhaps it'll be your friend too.  Say hello to
it here:

https://brave.com/download/  

Much thanks, all the very best!!

Sincerely,
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Denver, Colorado

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RE: Skype

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

David, although I primarily use Skype on My Shiny Android Toys, I did not
have any problems using Skype on my computer.  The last time I launched
Skype on my computer though, I used Jaws as a screen reader.  I never did
deploy GW Connect 'cause Skype worked for me without any issues.

I will suggest you play with it perhaps tonight and let us know what
issues/problems you're encountering.  

If you'd rather use Skype on an Android toy, grab the app from the Play
Store, install and follow its prompts.  My schedule is a tad airtight
tomorrow, but I will be glad to help you privately on your Android toy if
you like.  Skype is, in my opinion, REASONABLY ACCESSIBLE on a touchscreen
device and as stated, I'm using it with no qualms.  I used the term
REASONABLY ACESSIBLE because each one of us define accessibility
differently.  I am a tinkerer, and I am forever ready to FIDGET WITH AN APP
for eternity until I get it to work for my uses.  Incidentally, I did not
have to do any of that with Skype on My Shiny Android toys!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado  

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RE: OT - Question For Ham Operators

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

If a mailing list is on groups.io, you do not need to put anything in the
subject header.  The address is usually something like this:

listaddress+subscr...@groups.io

Some lists may have a dash (hyphen) as part of its addressing scheme.  It's
important to pay attention to such a symbol when typing the list address
otherwise your subscription won't get delivered.  

Here's the subscription address Mr. Rasmussen provided:

blind-hams+subscr...@groups.io 

There is a dash as part of the address; however, don't worry much about
retyping the address.  Just whack  on the above address and, if you
using Outlook, Alt+S to Send!  Good luck.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: email

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Tony and others, there's an E-mail app I'd like to have tested.  No, I
didn't write it, yikes, not too good at writing my own name let alone create
an app, 

Ok, the E-mail app is called BlueMail.  I tried playing with it, but I was
hitting brickwalls.  I suspect there's something I was doing wrong, but I
can't put a finger on it.  So, may be if others help test, they'll discover
my silly errors and I can be a happy camper deploying the app.

You can find a Windows version at:

www.bluemail.com

The Mobile version, which has ensconced itself on my Shiny Android Toys,
work superbly well.  

Ok, I'll go continue to cheer Notre Dame U to victory whilst I await better
findings on this app than I had succeeded in doing.  Gracious thanks one and
all!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: Here Is An Archive Of WE Apps

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Oh Chief NetBat, I'm hanging out here even if I don't post 900% of the time;
I do try to make the 1,000th percent though!  Keep the lights on, keep
smiling, have a good morning.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: Here Is An Archive Of WE Apps

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

David, thanks for these wE apps.  Please note that using dl=1 brings up the
direct download for DropBox.  In the future sir, rather than post two
different links, the dl=1 would make it a lot easier for everyone.  

Sincerely,
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Denver, Colorado 

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RE: Help needed: Deleting multiple files

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

David, what you are trying to accomplish can be done using Windows
keystrokes.  Hold down the Control key after the first item has been
selected.  Selecting the first item means plus a focus on it.  Then, press
the spacebar.  

Next, use the down arrow key to find the next item you wish to delete whilst
still holding down the control key.  When you find it, press the spacebar
again to select it.  

When you have found and selected all the items you wish to delete, release
the control key and then press the Delete key.  All selected items will be
deleted.  

Remember, this is a noncontinguous selection.  The control MUST BE HELD DOWN
whilst using the down arrow to choose the item to be deleted and then
pressing the spacebar to select each one without letting go of the control
key until all choices have been made.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado
  



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RE: Off-topic: Linux

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

A silly stuff with Jaws:  Routing the mouse to the PC works haphazardly for
the most part.  Sometimes, for better results, routing PC to Jaws "somewhat
works" better.  Anyhow, here are the keystrokes:

1.  Route Jaws to PC; Insert+dash using the Numpad keys.  The "dash" is the
top-right key on the Numpad.

2.  Routing PC to Jaws:  Insert-Plus; theat's the "plus" key on the Numpad.
It is below the "dash" key and is larger in size.

Of course, for of these to work, the NumLock MUST BE turned off.  

I still hate Jaws and its silly keystrokes such as Insert-Alt-M for example.
I prefer Window-Eyes forever, but, I am working ever so farther away from
Windows and more deeply into the Android world.  My goal, to toss Windows
Anything down the drain soon enough!  A showstopper presently is NOT BEING
ABLE to GENERATE ASCII characters using the keyboard with my Android toys.
There are at least two other issues, but I'll leave it at the one cited
herein.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 

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RE: Is there another jaws email list?

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

To subscribe to a new Jaws Users mailing list, send a blank message to:

jfw-users+subscr...@groups.com

Like Chief NetBat, I still CLING TO WINDOW-EYES like a child CLINGING TO MUM
OR DAD for safety and protection.  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: Is there another jaws email list?

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Joan, you didn't mess up regarding Window-Eyes list.  The list is NOT ALWAYS
ACTIVE.  There are occasional posts now and then.  

All that aside, many of us are diehards here, not quite ready to completely
part with Window-Eyes!  I'm sure we'll wake it up again if we could.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado  

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RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Sky, perhaps I am terribly selfish, stupid, and a fool to boot; Microsoft
should have bought Window-Eyes for integration into Windows.  If it had, it
would have had a TALKING INSTALLER more than 25 years ago and would not need
to reinvent the wheels.

I'm always dreaming, I just hope I don't fall off the cliff.  Anyhow, I'm
sure glad that GW Micro staff are over there teaching and helping Microsoft
to do the right thing!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: MS Office question

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Yes, Robin, the BeMyEyes works everywhere where there's enough data to hit
the Internet.  It's a great app, only works on a smart toy though.  Could
you please possibly post the eBay link you used for grabbing a copy of
Office?  Thanks a ton if you can!

Yes, Rod, a call to Microsoft Accessibility should be free because of the
800-number.  However, there are countries that DO NOT have TOLL-FREE
numbers.  In that wise, I'm not even sure if their calls would get through
unless something else has changed.  I think there shouldn't be any problems
with calls originating from the U.K., Australia the Caribbeans, and parts of
Mexico.  Sorry, I excluded Canada because the phone system there is pretty
much the same with that of the United States. 

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: Filling in a PDF form

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

David, if the .pdf form is NOT TAGGED FOR ACCESSIBILITY, you will most
certainly need a pair of eyes to complete the said task.  Try finding out
whether or not the form has been properly tagged for accessibility.  Most
establishments, government agencies included, do a haphazard job when it
comes to tagging fillable forms for accessibility.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: Window-eyes and W10 1809

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Evan wrote:

"I love Eloquence. I wish they'd put it on iOS devices so I could get it on
my iPad Mini."

That's why I live and breathe Android!  I can install any TTS of my own
choosing, paid-for or free!!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: ElBraille question

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Darrell, as far as I know, the LBraille runs Windows10 Home Edition with
about 2GB RAM.  A Focus 14 Braille display unit is slapped over, in my view,
some cheapskate laptop.  I would suggest you consider finding a dealer in
your area, assuming they still have those, schedule some time with the
dealer and go play with the toy.  I believe you can get a very cheap laptop
for the price of the LBraille.  You may be well served getting a separate
Braille display unit that you can connect to your computer or even your
smartphone if you use the latter.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado  

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RE: Question About Android phone, Off Topic

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Mr. Ringwald asked:

"Anyone using an android phone"?"

Yes sir.  I live and breathe Android with plans to someday ditch Windows and
its associated screen readers as soon as it becomes practicable.

I like and love Android.  It is absolutely important to come to Android with
an open mind and a readiness to deal with some lerning curve.  No real
handholding with Android compared to other platforms.  There's also no one
size fits all in Android land:  There are a variety of toys to choose from
depending on how much each person is willing to pay for an Android toy.  

You can begin your investigation of Android by visiting this site:

www.inclusiveandroid.com

There's also a book written by Ms. Ana Garza and Mr. James Meddaugh
available from the National Braille Press.


You also wrote:

"Is there an Android email list?"

Yes, there are quite a number of mailing lists for and about Android.  The
best one is setup by Google; it is hardly ever moderated, but several
developers are on it.  There is constant interaction between the user
community and Talkback developers.  

It can be a very high traffic list; far too often, folks comparing Ios to
Android bring on the noise!  However, if you can look beyond the noise
machines, there are so many knowledgeable folks on the mailing list that are
willing to help an Android novice.  One great thing about Android is that
you can use any number of TTS engines; amongst them, Eloquence, Vocalizer,
Voxygen, Speak TTS, Acapela and the list goes on.  Typically, the default
TTS on an Android device is Google TTS, but you can change it to whatever
you like.  

To subscribe to the mailing list, please send a blank message to:

eyes-free+subscr...@googlegroups.com

Please note that Braille support in Android is not all that arrow sharp at
the moment.  However, several Braille notetakers and displays are supported
using BrailleBack.  You do not need any extra software in order to connect
your Android toy to the computer and interact with it.  Your toy will show
up as another drive and you can move files back and forth between your
Windows and your Android toy just as you would do using a flash drive or an
SD card.  

I hope the foregoing is reasonably helpful; if you have any additional
questions, please post in this space.  Much thanks!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 

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RE: Request file containing all W E scripts

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Carol, you might want to reset the DropBox flag to 1 for a direct download.
The 0 flag does require a bit of a poaking around!  That aside, thanks for
what you do to keep Window-Eyes alive.

If I dare say so, what a crazy screen reader GW Micro created?  Windows10
1803, 1809 and I hear the dead scroll still has life!  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: WE on other platforms. Was: Re: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader

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David, I enjoyed reading your post; it did present some interesting angles
regarding my thought process.

I believe that the impossible is that which has not been tried.  We could
all wake up tomorrow and hear an important announcement:  Jaws for Android
is here!  Shall we throw up our arms in the air in disgust?  I doubt that.
If nothing else, many of us will play ball with it and see where its chips
land.  After all, in Android Land, you can have as many screen readers as
you choose--Talkback, ShinePlus can be used in any Android toy;
VoiceAssistant and VoiceViews are still partial to their creators, Samsung
and Amazon in that order.  I've never been a programmer; yet, I've seen
Windows apps being ported over to Android.  A good example is Outlook,
another is Word and, yes, Excel is available on the Android platform.

I may be odd, but I do love and appreciate being able to use touchscreen
toys!  I am, as of the present moment, equally productive on my Shiny
Android toys as I am using a keyboard with a computer.  I taught myself all
that I do and I ask questions of more knowledgeable folks when I am stuck.
No, I'm not a guru and do not frankly wish to be one--nonetheless, if it
weren't for the legacy Windows app that are work related, I shall have
divorced Windows and keep on running with ONLY Android TOYS in my pocket!  I
do a lot of travel, I see touchscreen terminals lined up forever at
airports.  Sadly, they are not accessible.  To get around that for the time
being, I bring all I need with me for my trips.  Example, I check in and
print my own burden pass all the time before heading out to the airport.
I'm STINGY ENOUGH not to CHECK BAGS, so there's never an argument there.  In
fact, I don't even go to the airline counter, I head straight to the T S A
security line.  Oh, I have also CLEARED T S A security checks so i don't
need to remove my underwear, belts or shoes to pass through the screening
process.  Guess I'm crazy lucky and I realise that not everyone is similarly
situated.  The clearance I have is NOT FREE, cost $100 for five years, I
renew it again in 2023 if I'm still breathing and a bit less troublesome,
  

There are a heck of a lot of things I can do with my touchscreen phone which
a computer or any currently available access technology DO NOT make
possible.  For instance, if I don't wish to print my burden pass and carry a
piece of paper in my pocket, I can simply show it on my touchscreen Shiny
Android toy to a screener at the security gate, or at an airline check-in
counter.  I'm one person who prefers 99% of everything electronically 'cause
the prospects of a misplacement is sharply reduced for me.  Heck, for
international travels, I can CLEAR THE U.S. CUSTOMS electronically on my
touchscreen Shiny Android toy even before I board my flight back home.  No
computer or access technology will help me do that, but my Shiny Android
toys do and they fit snugly in my chest pocket.  

Thus, I can keep hope alive; it may or may not happen.  Notwithstanding, I
sure hope that someone much more brilliant than I figures out a way to
resurrect Window-Eyes as a screen reader on the Android platform!  In some
shape or form, we've been here before:  Window-Eyes was dying, some of us
shouted it out from the treetops and were sent to the gas chambers so we
could be forgotten and never heard from.  Fortunately, the doors of the gas
chambers DIDN'T CLOSE before we were vindicated.  Should the hope I nurse
become a reality, this beggar who wishes for what is classified as
impossible surely wants to ride into town with happiness pushing a
Window-Eyes for Android cart!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Dennis, I didn't say Window-Eyes is COMING to Android!  Nonetheless, it is a
wish and wishes have never been horses as there are far too many beggars
ready to get on for the jolly ride.  I am most certainly proud to be one of
such beggars!  If Window-Eyes for Android ever becomes a reality, then what?
Nothing wrong with a wish, and you don't need to be overtly condescending if
a wish does not align with your thought processes.

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Denver, Colorado 

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RE: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader

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Doug a Senior Program Manager at Microsoft?  Wow, how I wish he had gone
over to Google!  Surely, he could help make Talkback another knock out!  I
look forward to the day when, somehow, Window-Eyes can become another TTS of
choice on the Android platform.  You know, Window-Eyes for Android?

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RE: JAWS Mobile?

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David, do you really want Jaws Mobile?  Even when it was fashionable way
back whenever, it was one of the worst implementations I ever ran into in
the screen reader crazy world.  The one from GW Micro which was available
courtesy of Window-Eyes was far better implemented.

I think you might have better luck with NVDA even though it doesn't have a
mobile version in the true sense of the word.  

As of today though, unless something changes after I punch the Send button
for this message, no Jaws Mobile!  

Sincerely,
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RE: JAWS question

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Noreen, please consider giving the following a try:

First, open the E-mail with the attachment
Second, press Shift+Tab and the cursor should move to the general area where
the attachment is
Third, use the right or left arrow to locate the attached document; if you
wish to open it, press the  key and follow the prompts
Fourth, if you wish to save the attachment, press the Applications Key or
Shift+F10, then arrow down to Save As, whack  and follow the prompts.

This is how I've find attachments using Outlook, no idea if it differs with
another mail reader.  It also does not matter for me which screen reader I'm
using.

Sometimes, at least for me, the screen reader would alert me about an
attachment only for me to find out that there isn't an attachment of any
kind.  I don't know why that is!  In general though, when there is an
attachment, it is located between the subject header and the body of the
message.  

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RE: skype problem

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I use Skype on my Shiny Android toys, no problems of any kind!  Still
fighting hard to LEAVE THE WINDOWS PLATFORM; a few snags still hold me back,
they are largely work related.  

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RE: A bit of bad news concerning my MS Office app, and a related GMail question

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Larry, there's a gentleman who can get you good pricing on Office.  He's
reputable and the price is right!  On other lists that I frequent, I've seen
this guy advertise Ofice for about $35.00.  His details are below:

Kevin
k.sa...@juno.com 
Phone:  801-765-4329  

Kevin also sells computers at reasonable prices.  If I were still interested
in Windows, I'll grab a Panasonic ToughBook from him in a heartbeat!

Sincerely,
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RE: JAWS question

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And, 400 keystrokes to boot to get a simple task done; here's an example of
such task:

With Window-Eyes, selecting a long passage or even a short one involves a
press of the F8 key.  When the desired text has been selected, press F8
again and choose between copying the selected text with all formatting
retained, or simply copying to the Clipboard with Alt-C.

Now, let's do the same task using Jaws:

1.  Start with a press of Control-Windows-K to set a place marker
2.  Next, select all the text you wish to copy and pray that it selects
everything without a hitch
3.  Now, with your preferred text selected, press Insert-Space, then M
4.  One gets to know that the entire text has been selected
5.  Now, press Control-C to Copy the selected text to the Clipboard.

'Ouch, why is a simple task so complicated?  Ask Jaws and good luck if you
get an answer!

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Denver, Colorado

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RE: auto-paragraphs

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Hi Tom:

You're making me look too much like a guru whereas I'm still learning to
count my fingers correctly; What're you doing that for, brother?

Ok, sarcasm aside, thanks a ton for this one.  I just learned something I
never thought was possible.  Though I still run Word2007, it will come in
handy if I ever figure ot a way to upgrade; I'd rather run Word on my Shiny
Android toys ';cause I am trying hardest to ditch Windows forever.  

I'm honored to be ruffling feathers with gurus like you who help make a
nonconformist child like me far better than I deserve.  To your wife if
married, or to your mum and or sisters, Happy Mother's Day!  Happy Mother's
Day to all the great women, young or old on this wonderful list.

Sincerely,
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Denver, Colorado

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RE: `news about jws

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Hmm, Carol, I paid only one price for Window-Eyes and I did not pay a penny
extra for the pro version.  I got a one-size fits all CD, and the upgrades
were the same when I had an SMA!  As GW Micro grave got dug, I chose NOT TO
PURCHASE an SMA.  At that time, the small frequent updates Window-Eyes used
to get had gone away completely.

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RE: `news about jws

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B J wrote in part:

"When we bought a copy of Office that copy lasted and will last for years. 
I'm still using a 2007 copy of office on my windows 7 machine. If I had paid
a monthly subscription for that length of time. I could have bought at least
8 copied of office."

I'm in your boat, brother!  I won't ever purchase any app that's
subscription based even if the cost is 50 cents a year!  Sounds horrible but
I can live with it.  Like B J, I have been using Office 2007; even though I
received a note from Microsoft that support for Office 2007 has ended, it is
still serving me well and I am yet to find a need for an upgrade to the
latest Office bell and whistle.  I read about folks struggling with
something called Back Stage and how to disable it.  Yikes, make an app
better if necessary, just don't make it too complicated in order to get this
done.  

I'm interested in knowing whether or not the laws in the books can be
invoked when it comes to dealing with adaptive app and equipment companies.
Look at Humanware; it created the BrailleNote Touch and deployed a
deprecated copy of the Android OS on it; it still sells for more than
$5,000!  How about HIMS?  It claims to run on Android 5.1.1 which will soon
become deprecated as well.  And it sells for $6,000!  In both situations, no
path for an upgrade and, worst still, the freedom Android offers is
nonexistent.  Example:  In Android Land, you can install and use your own
preferred TTS engine.  What nonsense if I dare say so!

For as long as is possible, I shall continue to look at products in the
mainstream.  As I slowly KISS WINDOWS goodbye, I won't have to worry about
the shenanigans of screen reader developers for this OS!  I will not pay one
cent for any type of Jaws subscription.  Until my WINDOWS machines all die
naturally, I'll STICK WITH WINDOW-EYES which still PUTS SOME GREAT FOOD on
my wee, small table!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: `news about jws

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What?  Jaws will be a subscription-based screen reader?  Please tell me it's
not true!  If true, it's absolutely absurd.

Anyway, as an individual, I am working feverishly to FLING WINDOWS down
whatever drain it finds itself in.  I'll be switching completely to my Shiny
Android, screen reader is FREE and there are no silly bells and whistles!
And, sure enough, kill the competition then hold a sledgehammer to
everyone's throat!  Let's hope the BLIND community wises up and refuses the
nonsense.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado  

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RE: Windows 10 build 1803

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Window-Eyes is a screen reader much too far ahead of its time!  I'm still
sulking and running mad 'cause it's NO LONGER being developed.  When it was
alive, we always had new implementations of accessibility before the shark
did and, quite a number of problems did get fixed before bells and whistles
kicked in.  

For Window-Eyes to still work with Windows10 to this point, its developers
deserve more credit than I can truly give them!

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Denver, Colorado

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RE: wexplanation

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Hi Rod:

Taking Geritol?  Take an extra one for me, I'll pick up the side effects
later!!

Sincerely,
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Denver, Colorado

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RE: MICROSOFT WORD: HELP PERFORMING THREE TASKS

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Hi David:

Indeed, I did find some pointers online on how to create macros in Word.
Sadly, there were MORE PICTORIAL representations which then made it hard for
me to make sense of what I read.  

Isn't Window-Eyes Central app repository gone now?  I'd be willing to give
the RECORD MACRO app a spin.  

Retrospectively it doesn't look too hard to do in Word; however, recording
the macro is what seems to be throwing me off.  Since I'm an insomniac, I
will tinker with it tonight and see how far along I'll get.  I'll document
what I am doing, but won't publish it here unless it works satisfactorily.  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 

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RE: MICROSOFT WORD: HELP PERFORMING THREE TASKS

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Sis Robin, looks like you're going to spank me,   Indeed, I did turn
off automatic numbering in Word.  It was bothersome.  

I just wonder if there are keystrokes I can invoke to get the Outline
thingie cranking?  But, all the same, thanks for your invaluable help.

I do welcome thoughts on the Macro stuff if you have a brief minute.  I
promise, I'll be a better child before I make it to Purgatory!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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MICROSOFT WORD: HELP PERFORMING THREE TASKS

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Hello in Window-Eyes Land:

Ok, I am stumped and need some help.  I have three tasks that I am trying to
accomplish:

1.  I need to create a Macro that can be invoked for purposes of printing
company's address, phone number, E-mail address and such on paper so that I
don't have to keep typing this repeatedly.  I want it centered.  What
keystrokes or key sequences do I need to make this happen and how to save,
well, forever?
2.  PAGE NUMBERING:  I have a need to set page numbers such that the
numbering style will be something like Page 1 or 3 and so on.  How can I
accomplish this task in Word?  Can I create a macro that can make this task
more exciting as well?  If yes, how to record and save such a macro?
3.  CREATING AN OUTLINE:  Yes, good folks, how do I create an Outline?

Sorry for a boatload of questions; but I'm looking forward to getting some
help with my project.  Much thanks and all the best.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado  

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RE: a class-action lawsuit against TD Ameritrade claiming that the discount brokerage firm's website and some of its trading software is inaccessible through screen reader

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Manny, believe me, if I could, I'd like to sue a lot of organizations who
fail to render stuff in an accessible format.  Examples of such
organizations on my list will include government agencies such as Medicare
and Medicaid.  In my line of business, I am heavily involved with these two
organs of government and they have never granted me the access I need to
materials in an accessible format and, finding someone to ask a question or
two has been an energy tasking exercise.

What ails me is the amount of time it takes to go through the courts.  I
sure hope this action against TD Ameritrade will go well and will be
resolved quickly.  

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Denver, Colorado

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RE: Musings and touching base

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Well, Manny, CapitalOne Investing is about to be EATEN UP by eTrade.  It
should happen before the year ends.  Hmm, I'm moving my penny stocks over to
Ally Invest.

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RE: from window eyesto jaws to NVDA

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Brice, I don't care for Jaws; but, I think that the concept of installing a
new copy of Jaws in a separate folder is a good thing.  Yes, you're used to
doing business one way in an older version; suppose for a second the new
update breaks something that was working beautifully well?  Hmm, you can
just leave the new copy alone and still have a working screen reader 'cause
you can revert to using the old one.

This could have been a real issue way back when hard drives were barely
250MB and I am on top of the world thinking I had all bases covered; today,
hard drives are up to 4TB and greater.  As such, leaving two separate copies
of Jaws on one DOES NOT hurt a fly--oh, sorry, it might hurt a fly trying to
peak into my eyes!

I wish Window-Eyes had adopted the same concept.  But, it didn't!

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Denver, Colorado

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RE: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

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V F O is like any other company in the mainstream.  I'll buy you off because
you pose a threat from a competitive angle.  Once your company is bought
out, time to KILL IT or render it nearly worthless unless it has the
potential to increase and improve the bottom line.  Facebook, Google,
eBay--they all do the same thing!  Microsoft bought Nokia and pretty much
killed it.  Today, under some interesting licensing scheme with HMD, Nokia
is trying to make a comeback to the cell phone industry on the Android
platform.  Well, it may jolly well succeed; after all, Windows phones were a
dismal failure!

EBay bought Skype, didn't know what to do with it, threw it away for
Microsoft's grab.  Next, it bought Paypal; same story all over.  Now it's
looking towards the prospects of acquiring Adyen, a Europe-based payment
processor.  Sprint picked up Nextel and MCI, killed them both.

So, don't be surprised at what V F O is doing, it had leaders ahead of it
who did likewise.

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Denver, Colorado

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RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

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If Window-Eyes finally dies with the release of the next Windows10 update,
that could put the final nails in the casket for me.  I'll have to lick my
wounds and find ways to dry my free flowing tears.  

That aside, I better work a bit more quickly on mastering my Android tablet;
the nails in the casket will just about do it for me with Windows and its
associated screen readers.  No, no Windows10 for me; no, I didn't take the
offer to migrate to Jaws even though I can use Jaws.  And, no, NVDA WILL NOT
cut it for what I have to do particularly with respect to gainful
employment.  

Farewell!  Back to the sidelines I go, peeping out of my pidgin holes and
watching the goings-on!

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Denver, Colorado

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RE: Version 9.5.4

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patricia, the Control-Backslash does indeed open correctly.  When in that
window, you could have pressed the  key for the menu.  I label this
second level.  The first level is where you perform all sorts of
configurations to Window-Eyes--Example, you can change keyboard settings,
cursor functions, et al.  

Perhaps I may have inadvertently deleted your original post:  What exactly
were you expecting to land on when you invoke the Control-Backslash
keystroke?

Sincerely,
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RE: Version 9.5.4

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Sis Pam, I wondered the same.  Typically, messages from the iPhone find it
hard to hit the list always coming out blank.  I suspect the senders DO NOT
take the time to recheck their messages before hitting the send button.  Not
just on this list, I've seen "SENT FROM MY IPHONE" on other lists with no
messages of any kind.  Perhaps it's BOTTOM POSTING for these senders; most
folks, including me, generally ignore BOTTOM POSTINGS as I don't have the
time to wade through 30,000 words to find it.  And this is a reason why I
will quote portions of any message I am responding to when the need is
necessary.  

Perhaps I'm three or five careful:  I've never sent out blank messages from
my Shiny Android toys!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado  

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RE: Help with Jaws, please!

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Paulette, when it comes to Word and Jaws, you should be using the standard
Windows command you already know.  Example, Ctrl-O brings up the Open
dialogue and you can type in the name of whichever file you wish to open.
First letter navigation should also be possible once the Open dialogue is
invoked.  In essence, you do not need a specialised Jaws keystroke to find
stuff in Word.  Oh well, I don't use whatever keystrokes Window-Eyes
scripted for Word; I just use what Windows has to offer me and it works like
a charm.  

Also, you can press the Windows key to launch the Search Edit Box.  Here,
type "documents" without the quotes of course.  Once Documents has focus,
press  and you can use FIRST LETTER navigation to find your file.
once you find the file you wish to open, press  and, if it's a Word
file, the file will open in Word.

To read E-mail, launch your mail reader--Outlook, or whatever E-mail client
you use.  Press  on the message you wish to read.  Sometimes, reading
may not begin from the top.  In that instance, press ctrl-home to get to the
top, then use Insert-Down Arrow to read your mail.  

You can customize how you want stuff done when in the mail reader.  Press
Insert-V, go through the various list of customisations and select the ones
that meet your needs.  Be patient as you customise the look and feel for
mail reading purposes.  Remember to save your settings when done!

When you talk about control panel analogous to that of Window-Eyes, what
exactly are you trying to accomplish in Jaws?  Jaws's approach is quite
different from that of GW Micro's Window-Eyes!  Example:  Insert-J will put
you in the Jaws Context Menu and you can perform some customisations here
using your up and down arrow keys to go through the list of what's possible
and following the prompts.  

I can't fathom why Jaws would keep running in 40-minute mode when you have
already entered an authorization code.  For that one, consider giving V F O
or whatever name it goes by a call.  

Hmm, I'm not sure I'll consider joining the Jaws mailing list.  For one
thing, their moderators are not as tolerant as this list is.  I'd say ask
your questions here and I believe that the brilliant minds here will step up
to the plate.  I don't recall the Jaws users mailing list subscription info,
I do know, however, that the list is on groups.io.  If you type Jaws Users
Mailing List into Google to perform a search, quite a few of them should
come up fast and furious.

I trust the foregoing helps some; others will no doubt chip in and before I
wake up from my not-so-dreamy sleep, you will be a Jaws guru and whiz!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 

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RE: hotkey for word 2007

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Butch wrote:

"In word 2007, I know that tab and shift tab will move from item to item
within a group on the ribbon, but I forgot the hotkey that will move you
from group to group, instead of having to tab through all the items in one
group to reach another group."

Chief, how about the right and left arrow keys?  This is what I have used to
move from group to another, then I tab through within the group to find what
I need.  Hope it works for you, Happy Sunday, watch some football for me!!

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RE: USB headphones with microphone

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David, I am a happy camper with Logitech's H800 headset with microphone.  It
comes with a nano-USB plug.  Plug this into a USB port on your computer and
forget it.  Battery lasts about six hours; it can be used whilst charging.
Battery is replaceable.  I have had mine for well over five years, no
regrets.  In fact, I have not had to replace its battery in this period of
time.  If I do, I shall take it to the trusty Batteries Plus here in my
village, I find the company to be extremely reliable on anything battery
related.

  The headset also supports bluetooth; however, I didn't set it up for
bluetooth usage because I don't want to deal with having to type in a pare
code.  I have other bluetooth headsets that DO NOT require paring codes,
they just fine their stack on my computer or smartphone, I tap on PARE and
the business is done.  

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RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

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And, in Android land, we have so many apps that work even better than the
KNFB Reader for merely pennies on the dollar!  I think that in a few years,
may be weeks and months, many blind folks in Android land will slowly begin
kissing the KNFB Reader goodbye!  Heck, there's even one in Android land,
though experimental at the moment, that will scan and read handwritten
stuff.

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RE: Program to reset (if necessary( the Windows screen reader flag.

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Bernie, it's my job that ties me much to much to Windows!  I own and operate
a durable medical equipment & supplies storefront.  The apps I need for
keeping required government records have not been ported over to Android at
the present moment.  There's no way I can submit claims for payment in
Android or Apple land and I have no idea when those who write apps for the
DME industry will ever cross the rubricon.

Like you, I don't want Jaws even though I can use the screen reader
proficiently.  I did not take up the FREE MIGRATION offer from Window-Eyes
to the Shark as I don't want to be beaten!  I don't have enough blood to
share with a shark!  

I have another business line that I am pursuing.  It is that of a coffeeshop
and, for this one, it will be all Android bar-non.  I have no plans to do
anything with Windows10.  I'm slowly migrating off XP into Windows7 land,
but I think that's where I'll stop.

My coffeeshop won't launch for a while yet 'cause I'm trying to get
additional funding by way of a loan and the paperwork to be furnished come
from more than enough trees to fill a forest.  

It is heartwarming to know that I'm not the only one flying the Android
flag.  Today, I did surprise myself:  I processed an order on my phone and
tablet using a bluetooth keyboard.  I had, and stil do in some shape or
form, found the Talkback keyboard commands somewhat intimidating.  I know
the sequence of keyboard commands for both Jaws and Window-Eyes, but the
ones for Talkback are not syncing for reasons I can't fathom.  I also
succeeded in sending a WhatsApp message to a pal across many a thousand
ponds.  I don't plan on giving up on the mastery of Talkback keyboard
keystrokes; I will keep beating on it until it submits to my whims and
caprices.  

Aside from the challenge outlined herein, like you, I am beyond redemption
and certainly too far away from the point of any return to the status quo
when it comes to walking, working and playing with Android!  I am so glad I
made the commitment nearly five years ago when an Android toy landed in my
wee, small, snugly hands!

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RE: Program to reset (if necessary( the Windows screen reader flag.

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Tom, if you resurrect Window-Eyes, I'll pull back my plans for ditching
Windows.  Why?  Because you'll save me from nagging headaches for which I
keep refusing to gulp ibuprofen, 

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RE: A little tech tip on Windows and screen readers.

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Tom, I like the geeky nature of your post.  I thought you had mentioned that
you wrote a program to solve the problem.  Is the program up for sale?  If
yes, how can I get it to snuggle up in my hands and at what cost?

Thanks for sharing and for making me a bit more geekier than I deserve!

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RE: We certificates

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Bernie, did you try running these certificates as administrator?  I've had
occasions when certain apps won't install unless Irun them as administrator
during the installation process.  I'm thinking, hopefully not so naively,
that the same case scenario could hold true for what you are experiencing.

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RE: finding links and other objects on a web page

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Butch, try Insert-F7; that's F7, the function key.

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RE: window eyes version for win ten

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Brice, why not experiment?  Install Window-Eyes 9.0 from your desk and then
perform the upgrade to 9.5.4.  In the past, to get the 9.0, one needed to
install the 8xx version.  I'll say give it a try it may jolly well work.
Anyway, that's what I'll do over here; I have the 9.0 disk and a few of the
upgrade thingies scattered on various folders here and there.  

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RE: help and info

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Hi Bernie:

I'm no expert, but may be this might help.  How about running the install as
an administrator?  To do this, find the executable file of the app in
question, in this case, Window-Eyes.  When it gets focus, don't press the
 yet to begin the install.  Instead, press the applications key,
arrow down to locate Run as Administrator and press .  Now begin the
installation process.

The above has worked for me using Windows7.  I hope it carries over to
Windows10.

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RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

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Tony, the death of Window-Eyes is what has gotten me to elect to abandon
Windows completely and move everything over to both an Android tablet and a
smartphone!  I am a tad slow learning my tablet, but I will keep on with it
until I beat it to submission.  Business reasons also slow my move because a
new app I am in the process of deploying only works on Windows.  I hope that
before full deployment of the Windows app in question, I shall have found an
Android equivalent.

Window-Eyes kept me somewhat reasonably gainfully employed forever; where
Jaws had failed miserably, Window-Eyes came to the rescue like nothing ever
happened.  I miss the likes of Mr. Solomon, Mr. Curry and several others who
always found a magic wand to get things going for me when trouble struck.
If GW Micro had died a slow death, perhaps the pain can somewhat be
ameliorated.  To me, the cancer ate into the core and bone marrow of GW
Micro fast and furious.  Malignant does not even describe how worst this one
cancer was.  The sudden resignation of Mr. Weirich pretty much confirmed far
more than I wanted to know.  

It has been said that there are two other screen readers besides the shark:
Supernova I think I know--it's from England, but what's the second one
besides NVDA?  I'm talking about a commercially available screen reader, not
any of the free incarnations!  I don't believe that Supernova gained too
much traction here in the United States, but it's still out there.  I'm not
certain it has sufficient traction at its home base either; I think Jaws
made pretty good inroads there as well!  Window-Eyes did pull some weight in
Supernova land, but that's old news now.

Oh well, cling onto your Android and iOS toys!  Jaws may someday become a
virus on them; may be not exactly on iOS, but possibly on Android because of
its openness!  The next 5 to 10 years should be pretty exciting for screen
readers and its many users.

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RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

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Tony, I seriously doubt that the law against monopoly apply in the access
technology industry.  If it does, it is a bit too late now.  GW Micro is
gone and I doubt if it can be revived.  Besides, who truly want to spend
endless hours in court?  GW Micro went through that once, and I don't
believe Doug wants to come out of hiding to try again.

As I once opined, that which Freedom Scientific DID NOT win in the courts,
it got back by a series of tricks and arm twisting.  Its aim and objective
had been to figure out a way of running GW Micro into the ground as it did
FreedomBox, now SeroTech!  

The two elephants had a good fight, the ground got terribly too hot, and the
weak one threw up its hands and walked away accepting defeat.  

Anyway, back to my quest for complete and full deployment of Android!

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RE: My SMA purchase experience

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Russ, the monthly subscription, if memory serves, is about $9.99!  It adds
up quickly after six months to a year!  And Micro$ won't stop laughing all
the way to the bank.

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RE: My SMA purchase experience

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Rather than just purchase Outlook only, how about purchasing a copy of Ms
Office that already comes with Outlook included?  I know a gentleman who can
sell you one for only $35 and the versions he sells are authentic.  

Personally, I am a tad leery of giving Micro$ an extra $10 on a monthly
basis; what happens in the month I am broke?  It is for this reason that I'd
rather buy the app outright; I don't think I can go wrong for just $35!
   
Please yell if you need his contact.  He's an honest, reliable gentleman and
several folks have done business with him with no issues whatsoever.  Ok, he
doesn't pay me a royalty for advertising him,   My sarcasm aside,
there won't be any regrets doing business with this gentleman.

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HELP SOUGHT

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Hi Everyone:

My move from Windows to Android has been a bit slower than anticipated.  In
the meantime, however, there's an app I am about to purchase for business
use.  

I installed a demo copy of the app and, using Window-Eyes, all I could hear
is: "Custom Control, Custom Control" and nothing else!  

I would appreciate help from anyone in the house that has more knowledge on
how to deal with this this sort of thing and advice.  I am willing to send a
zipped copy of the demo app to anyone who can take a hard look for me.  

BTW, I know that a "custom control" can be reclassified; I just don't know
what to reclassify it to and that's why I need some help!  

I am also searching for a comparable app in Android land that I can use, but
thus far, no luck yet.  I look forward to reading your thoughts, and, if you
prefer, you can write me privately.  Much thanks, all the very best!

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RE: inaccessible website

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Juan, Colorado Department of Revenue's website:

www.revenueonline.com

is a great example of a HORRID state government-owned website that's not
accessible to itslef and you can forget the blind surfer trying to access
the site as such a one does not exist!  I am always fighting them and I am
close to filing a petition with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission or may
be DOJ would be better, but who truly knows in these days of the WATTERING
down of the acts that are supposed to protect my interests under ADA?

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RE: test

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Sky, your message was blank!

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MICROSOFT WORD TYPEOVER?

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Hello All:


Ok, I am constantly behind the times; guess I'll keep up in my next life!  

Running Office 2007 and using Window-Eyes 9.5.4:  How do I invoke TypeOver?
Second, when TypeOver is invoked, does it erase whatever is being typed
over?  Example:  There are a series of UNDERLINE characters; I would like to
see these characters disappear and replaced with whatever I type in their
place.  Is what I'm thinking of even a possibility?

Reason for enquiry?  I'm editing some business-related legal forms and want
to keep them as neat as possible.  Much thanks for all help!

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RE: window-eyes open source?

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David, right on the money if I dare say so!  How I wish NVDA would PUSH
something to Android!  It would certainly give Voice Views, Voice Assistant,
ShinePlus and Talkback an interesting challenge and may be help those who
already use it bring their own screen reader of choice to Android land!  

As for the $1,200 on coffee, yeah, brother, bring some of those over to my
new venture, Savanna Coffee, I have an espresso cup waiting for you!

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RE: question about re installing wineyes

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Josh wrote:

"hey olusegun, any chance of getting the window eye source code?"

Hmm, chief, I'm not that smart!  Be that as it may, I do enjoy venturing
into the wacky world of legalese and trying to make sense of it as best I
can.  Maybe V F O will hide Window-Eyes for another 50 years; I'll be close
to being gone then and all I'll be able to do is inspect my 9 feet space and
begin creeping into it slowly.  

Oh well, in that period of time, if things continue as they are now, Apple,
Google and Windows may eat everything up.  The next generation of blind
individuals will probably barely care about throwing darts at Window-Eyes
and its long-lost friends!

Anyway, if I happen to reincarnate, I'll bring back with me a better brain
and be a lot more smarter than I am presently.

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RE: question about re installing wineyes

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Copyrights can, and do expire!  That's why there are so many free books out
there in the wilderness!  Since V F O or whatever name it calls itself no
longer supports or develops Window-Eyes, any copyright it may claim, if not
now, will eventually become useless and worthless!  

Have you heard of Just Click?  Well, Amazon patented it almost forever.
This patent just expired and Amazon can't stop anyone from using or
modifying it for use on any product including the world wide web.  

A good question for V F O or its functionaries will be how to convince a
court that its copyright of Window-Eyes is still valid when the product is
NO LONGER being developed.  Should be interesting, but I believe they'll
lose their teeth in the process!

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RE: App updates

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Chief Dennis, on groups.io, isn't it possible to upload files for members to
gain access to?  If I'm close to being right, perhaps Rod's apps could be
uploaded to the groups.io list you created for Window-Eyes and we can all go
there and grab them!  What do you think sir?

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RE: App updates

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

John, you are absolutely right!  Sometimes, once a company has been bought
and sold, the previous owner(s) may not even be allowed to ever start
another business in the same market.  It all depends on how the lawyers word
the signed agreement(s) and whether or not the signed document(s) is/are
acceptable to the seller(s).  

It's possible that Doug may never again touch Window-Eyes, but, if he so
desires and has sufficient financial backing, he could CREATE A BRAND-NEW
accessible something and name it whatever he cares!  

A case in point:  After Arkenstone, developer of Openbook died, its previous
owner created Bookshare!  

Law is a donkey, and it does a poor job of riding itself to town!  Looks
good on paper, but a trillion loopholes for any person who cares to give it
a shake.

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RE: not getting at my home e-mail

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Richard and NetBat, your messages are coming through to the
talks-Window-Eyes list OK.  May be check your e-mail settings or contact
your ISP?

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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Tom wrote in part:

"It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level program like
Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such thing as porting it
over to Android."

First, I'll give up on Windows before doing the same with Android.  With
Android being an open source project, I choose to be somewhat optimistic
that anything is possible if not now, perhaps before too long.

Second, I can SURF the web on my Shiny, Ancient & Modern Android toy!  In
fact, I'm beginning to do it so much better with great results in Android
land than in Windows.  Once I grasp a better use of this Android tablet I
have here on my desk, all my Windows computers will have their graves dug.
I'll stick them in their respective graves as soon as the hard drive on
which they reside die naturally.  May be that's another five years from
today, but it won't make a difference for me.  I don't want them to be
resuscitable.  


Third, I wish I were intelligent enough to get into programming!  Sadly, I'm
not.  Else, I shall have attempted to take on the project myself if nothing
more, but for experimental purposes.

Fourth, Excel, Word and Powerpoint have crept into Android land!  These were
once exclusively Windows preserves.  My haunch is that if these are
portable, anything is possible with a screen reader as well.  Who knows?  V
F O could read this and elect to CORNER my thought process by introducing,
you guessed it, Shark for Windows--did I say Shark?  Sorry, that should have
been Jaws, but you get my drift!  Sounds silly, but I want you to laugh
anyway!!

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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Oh no, Sky!  The Window-Eyes code should NEVER EVER go to Humanware!  That
would only give it a chance to serve us OBSOLETE stuff as it does on its
BrailleNote Touch.  No, I won't want that!  I'd rather see it in the open so
that someone out of China, India or South Korea can take a GOOD CRACK at
making it a better screen reader on Android!  Hey, for all I care, it could
be someone out of Europe as well.  

Do you see how SELFISH I am?  Oh well, if I sell enough fish, I may consider
sharing some of the profit with you and a few others in this space, 

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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Dennis wrote:

"They won't give code up.  Come on think that through.  What company do you
know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to just
give it away."

When it comes to CRACKING THE CODE, that doesn't have to come from V F O or
whatever name it calls itself!  Jaws code is CRACKED all the time and many
folks, whether you believe it or not, are using the silly screen reader at
NO EXTRA cost!  Window-Eyes, because of its licensing scheme, was FAR TOO
DIFFICULT to crack.  Now that it's dead, I remain hopeful that, at some
point in time, someone will CRACK IT, play with it, and ROLL it out for all.
I just hope that whoever succeeds in doing that will do the rolling out on
the Android platform using AOSP and thus avoid V F O's belly ache.  

Mind you, I'm not saying it will happen; I am merely trying to be somewhat
hopeful!  I may win or lose; whichever way it goes, by the time my
hypothesis comes to play, I probably won't know much about Windows
computers/screen readers anymore; hence the SELFISH reason, if you wish to
call it that, why I want to see Window-Eyes as a viable screen reader on the
Android platform.  I shall have recommended iOS, but that won't happen over
there; the best chance and opportunity is on Android!

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RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that
Window-Eyes is dead!!  That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen
reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun!  Maybe--just
maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT
OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.
Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again!

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RE: contacting Doug.

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Debby, it's the death of Window-Eyes that's KICKING ME off the Windows OS
completely.  Though I am still using Windows machines, I'm doing so until
each one dies and I plunk it down the drain of a landfill near me.  As a
wee, small business owner, I can't tell you how much time GW Micro, Inc.
spent with me in helping to ensure that all the apps I deploy for work serve
me well.  Let me approach V F O with scripting issues and I better be ready
to SHELL OUT no less than $200-$250 per hour for scripting.  I know too well
that vocational rehabilitation in my corner won't pay for that!  It will
cost well over $15,000!  And my company will have to keep shortchanging me
on my paycheck as its life will be mortgaged to V F O till FOLD UP do us
part!

My migration is slow, but it will happen; for work-related purposes and
personal stuff as well, it shall be Android every step of the way!  In this
new world, I shan't be at the MERCY of V F O and its cohorts.  

Though I'll never get an answer one way or another, I wonder what could have
been different if GW Micro, Inc. issued an IPO and anyone who wanted to
could become a part owner by buying GW Micro, Inc. stocks!  I've never heard
of any adaptive technology equipment manufacturer doing that; yet, in the
mainstream, small companies, like WhatsApp and Skype built themselves into
viable operations before their owners sold them for more money than they
could ever spend!  Would it have been much too much to manage?  I am sure
that an equity firm could have helped to coordinate things such that
everything would run smoothly.  At least, Window-Eyes won't be at the mercy
of venture capitalists that have now killed it!  

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RE: contacting Doug.

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Russ wrote:

"I wonder if jaws is getting to big to fail?"

Jaws is probably running scared, too afraid to let down the gauntlet!  See
how many times it has changed hands?  Hinter-Joyce, Freedom Scientific, and
now V F O Group.  May be Aerofloat will pick it up next, sell it to HMD, and
somewhere between all these transfers, the shoe might fall into the sea and
the shark fins chopped off.  

Jaws has become so bloated so much so that it's worst than what obtains on
Android phones from manufacturers that customize and add their own stuff to
the mix!  A good example for me:  What is Research It anyway?  Isn't all
that info being pulled from Google?  Now and then it crashes; but Google
moves on, still providing the same info with no crashes!  More silly bells
and whistles get shuffled into the screen reader without any attention being
paid to underlying issues that need fixing.

Ok, enough said!  Let's go WAKE UP Window-Eyes, make it an Android app and
fly a brand-new kite!

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RE: contacting Doug.

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Chief Dennis, technology will overtake NFB and force it to THINK OUT OF THE
BOX!  Remember, it was against tactile markings on the dollar bill to make
it easy for you and I to identify.  It actually filed what in law is known
as AMICUS BRIEF, in layman's and laywoman's language, FRIEND OF THE COURT
brief in support of the appeal by the Bush Administration.

Guess what?  Common sense prevailed, the appeal was lost and the Supreme
Court refused to take on the case.  

But why didn't NFB want tactile markings on the dollar bill?  Simple.  It
would have made it possible for it to continue MILKING me by selling me a
note teller at $50 or more.  Now, I get the so-called note teller for free
until the Department of Treasury begins rolling out accessible dollar bills!
Well, not a big loss because it made it up by selling its KNFB Reader for
$99.99!  I didn't however buy it at that price:  Thanks to what Android does
well, I paid $19.99!  Even now, I barely use it.  I am constantly looking
for something in the mainstream that's even cheaper and much better and with
regular updates to boot.

As for state agencies, they are constantly STRAPPED FOR CASH!  It's a reason
why one MUST SPEND ENDLESS HOURS trying to JUSTIFY the need for this and
that.  Eventually, they'll be forced to seek out cheaper alternatives.  

Jaws best screen reader?  Even though Window-Eyes is dead, there's so much
that it does far better than Jaws!  Try routing your cursor to the mouse
pointer; Window-Eyes does a much, much better job of landing you on the
element you need.  If Jaws is the Thane and Cawdor, how come it doesn't give
or grant unfettered access to the entire innards of Windows?  

I wish GW Micro, Inc. had elected to develop for the Android platform.  I
bet you, if it had, it shall have knocked ShinePlus out of the ballpark and
give even Talkback a scary run!  And, ah, if the price is NOT TOO HIGH, it
will GAIN MANY MORE customers worldwide via the Google PlayStore.

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RE: contacting Doug.

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Denis, when Window-Eyes was a sick, comatose child with no drugs left in the
arsenal to propel it back to life, we said so and were rebuffed by many.
Look what happened!  Those of us who knew and were not afraid or ashamed to
say so came out swinging like champions that won all four
championships--World Series, Super Bowl, The NBA, Hockey and more!  

If there's still enough breathable air left in these bones of mine, the I
TOLD YOU SO moment may jolly well get the Big Ben ringing again even though
it has been shut down until 2021 for renovation.

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RE: contacting Doug.

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Well, Michael, I once opined that the war Freedom Scientific could not win
in the courts, was well fought and won outside; with its cohorts and coterie
of friends, it succeeded in drowning the boat!  

The merger with AI Square came to me as a surprise; I didn't want to see it
happen, but what voice do I have?

I long for the day when all these adaptive equipment
developers/manufacturers can TRADE THEIR STOCKS publicly; may be, just may
be, they'll have better stability!  Now, we keep our eyes on the sparrow,
Jaws may be taking its last breath as the venture capitalists will soon
squash its fins!  Then it'll be Apple and Google to fill the void at least
here in the United States!

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RE: Outlook 2007 read/unread tags was RE: Outlook Question

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Rather than take on a monthly subscription, I'd rather purchase Office 2016
Professional; there's a gentleman who has pretty good pricing on it for one
computer.  If ok, I'll share the info in the next post.

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RE: nfl game pass

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Sis Pam, I haven't gone to Cors Field, our baseball stadium yet!  Since most
games are played at night, it has been tough picking a day in which to go.
If possible, I'd like to go to a day game, but I'll bring my headset AM/FM
radio to the ballpark else I'll be left in the dust.

I did go to the Denver Broncos stadium a few times without a radio of
course.  That, I wouldn't do again!  

When I walked around a few ponds in Europe, I detested listening to Tv calls
for English Football, sorry, soccer!  I always preferred listening to the
games on the radio.  Upon return to the U.S. though, I thought that Tv game
calls here would be more exciting.  I was wrong and it didn't take too long
to find out.  Radio will always be my personal preference when it comes to
listening to any game calls and descriptions.  I have enjoyed the guys who
do it here in my clan and on ESPN radio stations around here.

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RE: nfl game pass

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Tom, what happened to me wasn't an Android thing!  As I said, I should have
extracted the .APK file for keeps, but I didn't!  All my apps, except for
the Football Radio one installed with no problems.  What I later discovered
was that the author chose to convert the apps into two separate ones.
Previously, everything was contained in one app and all I had to do was
choose College or Pro football in the drop-down list.  

If I had extracted the .APK before performing a factory reset, I wouldn't
have had the problem.  

It's ok though; I typically don't follow college football much.  I can, if I
so choose, get college football broadcasts on ESPN stations in my clan!

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RE: nfl game pass

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Moe wrote in part:

"To all football fan ,
If you have a smart phone yu can download "pro radio "  App and lessen to
your teaqm with local announcer, or any team you want to."

Please permit me to ask:  Is this for the iPhone or can it be gotten on
Android too?  

Checking Android after typing "ProRadio" in the search box, I found one
called "ProRadio for NFL".  Tapping on it though gives me NFL Mobile.  So,
I'm a bit confused.  Much thanks for all help.

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RE: nfl game pass

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Kevin, you do have a point!  The trouble with Tv football commentary is that
the folks describing the game typically keep engaging sometimes in
irrelevant chatter and barely keep pace with the game.

Around my friends, I would listen to football on the radio using a headset
with built-in AM/FM radio; when I yell out "TOUCH DOWN," they get mad at me.
Why?  It hadn't been shown on Tv yet.  It takes them about another 20
seconds or so to see it.  

My friends don't want me getting too excited at yelling out "touch down"
when my team gets one. They rely on Tv, radio conveys the info much faster
and they don't understand why that is.  

I too find listening to the games on Tv extremely boring with very little
information about the game being passed to me in a way that makes real
sense.  

Unless I can sit in the broadcast booth, I won't plan on going to the
Broncos stadium anymore!  I can't follow the game, the colleagues I am with
are busy watching it, and they won't describe any aspect of it to me.  I
like going to the soccer stadium because there's an announcer who does
describe the goings-on on the field in some shape or form, though never as
good as what will be done on radio.  

But oh well, what do I know?  Just an insignificant specie playing tag along
in all the wrong places, 

RE: nfl game pass

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Sometime back, on my Shiny Android toy, I purchased an app aptly named
Football Radio.  With this app, I can pretty much listen to any game in any
market provided there's no lock out!  

Though I am in Bronco Land, I do enjoy following Seattle, Phoenix, Giants
and Panthers now and then.  For Broncos, I listen on my regular radio unless
I am out of base.  I'm not sure I can get PRESEASON games on this app, but I
will try tonight.  

The app is not bad really, but it can use some work on it to make it even
better.  It had a college component; however, when I did a Factory Reset on
my phone, I lost it and the developer won't process me a refund.  My foggy
head and brain both failed themselves; they should have extracted the .APK
of the app for keeps before performing a factory reset!  Oh well, it was
only 99 cents at the time I made the purchases.  So, I'll sulk, soak and
suck this one in and hope that the app won't disappoint me in a few weeks.

I've not succeeded in conquering baseball; I don't want to pay the monthly
subscription for MLB.com At Bat!  See, how selfish I am?  Anyway, I just
need it for when I am away from base; I try to stay away from going too far
into the boondoggles when the seasons for the games are on; but, alas, I do
find myself falling flat on my eyebrows.  It's what I get for being such a
simpleton!  Guess I'll learn in the next life if I choose to be part of it.


I sure hope I made you laugh a weebit; if not, I'll try again next time out!

Sincerely,
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RE: A bit of good news, I hope

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Loy, try Insert-Dash on the numpad row of keys.  That's the same key used
for the Window-Eyes Mouse Pointer.  Then you move with Insert-4 and 6 back
and forward.

Sometimes it's not consistent;when that occurs, trying routing PC to Jaws,
insert-Enter.  You do this with the NumLock off of course.  

When you press Insert-Dash with the NumLock off, it reads:  Route Jaws to
PC.

Ok, if I'm wrong, I'll let others straighten me out so I can learn what I
may have missed.  For now, watch out for the shark fins!!

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RE: I'm Back!

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

pastor Gill, see, we are contagious and infectious!  Welcome back!

For anyone needing some gentle help with Jaws, please contact me privately.
Much thanks and let's serve some smoked steak and pork ribs to all!  Let's
keep celebrating Window-Eyes, it's a great way to keep her memory alive!

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RE: updated all of my 35 apps

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Tom, as a nonconformist, Window-Eyes was everything to me!  Now that it's
gone, I am hastily learning to use an Android tablet.  Why?  Because I want
to ditch Windows and its associated screen readers; I will have two devices:
An Android phone for everyday talk to the world, and Android tablets for
business use.  I will not pay a blue cent to have scripts rewritten for Jaws
in order to be able to use apps that work almost literally out of the box
using Window-Eyes.  

I'm not taking the Jaws transfer offer, and I'm never upgrading to Windows10
or any of its cousins!  I'll keep running both Windows XP Pro and the
Windows7 Pro computers that I have and just let them die naturally so that I
can commit their souls to Purgatory.  

In the long run anyway, Android will be the cheapest alternative for me.
And I won't miss Windows when I kick it out, but I do certainly miss so many
folks from GW Micro, and I'd have long-lasting memories of Window-eyes!

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RE: Two Jaws Questions

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Kevin, using Outlook, Control-2, that's the number 2 on the number row keys
not the NumPad set of keys, launches the calendar and you can take care of
business from there on.  This keystroke is NOT SPECIFIC to Jaws; it's built
into Outlook.

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RE: Behind in times.

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Nick, David is still busy compiling a list of invitees!  So, let's give him
some time.  Then, he has to twist my arms enough times in order to rescind
my plans to issue him a ticket for wanting to throw out his computer!  In
the meantime, eat a few snacks, don't drink too much water or whatever so
there'll be plenty of room to fill up the walls of that hungry stomach!

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RE: accessible web hosting services

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Darrell, this might depend largely on what you are trying to accomplish with
web hosting.  That aside, I recommend you take a hard look at:

www.hostgator.com

www.ixwebhosting.com
is yet another web hosting platform you can give a try.

Some domain registrars do offer web hosting, you may also want to check
those out.  

There's also www.softkin.com/  The price is reasonably right on this one in
that you pay a fixed price once and get it for life if memory serves;
however, depending on what you are trying to accomplish, it may or may not
be a good buy for you.  So, carefully analyse your web hosting needs before
choosing a service provider.

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RE: Behind in times.

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

David, I'll be the police watching if you dare throw out your computer,
; you know, I may just issue you a ticket with no court date.  Just pay
me and we'll both be good.

Anyway, brother, nothing to worry about.  Go ahead, download Jaws!  When it
comes to installation, you will need to turn Window-Eyes off until the
installation is complete.  You will most certainly need to do this in the
Start-Up menu for Window-Eyes just to be sure it is NOT launching itself
when a reboot occurs during the course of Jaws installation.  

As for which one to download?  Oh brother!  Go for the one with Tandem.
This will enable you to connect to my computer in the event that I may need
some help from you.  Sorry, I always use my own computer as examples, but
actually it could be anyone else's computer if such a one is also running
Jaws with the Tandem add-on.  It is used purely for REMOTE ACCESS!  

I thought the one with Tandem incorporated would be a good choice because
the Window-Eyes you currently have does support remote access, so apples to
apples, oranges to oranges ...  You get my drift!  And, V F O Group should
give you an authorization code or scheme that will fully authorize Jaws with
Tandem.  Now I don't know if Tandem is available for a 32Bit OS, but it is
certainly available for the 64Bit OS!  

Now that you have Jaws in the palm of your hands, it's time to knock off
that terrifying scare, shall we?  We'll begin by bringing out that charcoal
grill and laying some meat on it!  Just the sweet smell coming from the
grill should send those fears fleeing towards the exit gate.  I'll go load
the truck and bring in the fine goodies and trimmings we need to make the
time pass by without us checking our watches constantly.  Tomorrow, you'll
be a Jaws guru, and I'll gladly apply to be your first student at bat!  Feel
free to invite others to our steak dinner party 'cause it's going to be a
lot of memorable fun!

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RE: Window-Eyes as a trend setter anda question

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Brenda, wouldn't an app like Four Square which is in the mainstream do for
you what the Sindero Seeing Eye GPS-Xt you're thinking of purchasing?  Of
course I don't know what Sindero will charge you, Convention or not; but why
would you want to pay much more for a GPS app when greater and better
alternatives are available in the mainstream for a lot less?

Anyway, I'd suggest you give a mainstream GPS app a chance before shelling
out those pennies on a specially adapted one.

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RE: longshot

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Butch, you didn't break any confidence when you discussed the death of
Window-Eyes long before the fan base saw the handwriting on the wall!  You
know what it is with the blind:  Denial!  It's a good pain killer pill and
only the brave refuse to take it.  

Even when Sis Reeva posted Tweeter notes that finally announced
Window-Eyes's obituary, she was hounded and, if she had been Jesus, she
shall have been crucified on the cross of false pretense even when the proof
of the eating was already in the pudding!  

Sadly, the truth hardly ever make blind folks free; rather, it keeps most of
us in solitary confinements!  It was easy to know that Window-Eyes was
comatose and dying!  The disappearances of those who were regular helpers on
the list was a good telltale sign that something was terribly wrong upstairs
in GW Micro land!  When the merger with AI Squared was announced, I was
miffed beyond proportions.  I knew that the lightning had stricken and the
wildfire season for Window-Eyes was real.  Anyway, you and I and many others
who saw the London bridge falling down can find solace in the truth we stood
for long before the world knew it.

Ok, back to my regularly scheduled program which is learning to use an
Android tablet.  It has been a slow process for me, but I'll get it!  With
Window-Eyes dead, anything Windows is DEAD for me as well.  I'll keep my
Windows machines until the hard drives DIE NATURALLY, and Window-Eyes will
keep NURSING THEM to health until they both retire and find the Recycle Bin!
In a few short months, it shall be Android only for me!  No shark, I don't
want to eat or taste shark fins!

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RE: longshot

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Butch, that means, like Dan Weirich, Doug has been paid off enough pennies!
He disappears like the vanishing wind into FORCED retirement and an SSL
padlock on his tongue and lips just as was the case for certain human
species back in the 1800's albeit real padlocks and iron bars were deployed
in that era; this is still being done today in more subtle fashions!

He, like Ted Hinter, will probably come up with something else, but he MUST
NEVER EVER touch screen accessibility for the blind.

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RE: jaws list

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Window-Eyes rocked my boat, fed me, took me to outerspace and back, all with
smiles!  Now, she's gone leaving the wind behind!  I elect not to take the
so-called migration gift; may be I'll change my mind if it sends me to
Vladivostok!

But, no, it won't!  I am POLISHING my Android skills and I just can't wait
to KICK WINDOWS and its ASSOCIATED SCREEN READERS down the drain for good!

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RE: jaws list

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Unfortunately, the milk was spilt and cleaned out before all Window-Eyes
folks realised what had befallen them!  A number of us had opined that
Window-Eyes was dying or dead; we were rebuffed and ridiculed!  I guess in
the end those of us with some foresight won.

Jaws 2018?  Let all enjoy eating shark fins, not so sure I want to taste
them!

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RE: resources for the com TIA certfication

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Darrell, might I please suggest you consider subscribing to TechTalk?  There
are knowledgeable folks over there that can possibly straighten things out
for you in a heartbeat!  Though there's a lot of list noise traffic, much of
it is truly educational, informative, and helpful!  There are flare-ups now
and then, but isn't that the nature of mailing lists amongst the blind?

Anyway, here's the subscription info; send a blank message to:

techtalk+subscr...@groups.io


I didn't know APlus Certification is still in vogue!  I had wanted to pursue
it sometime back, but, for reasons I still can't fathom, I chickened out.
Shame on Olusegun for being a tad silly on not following-up with that
pursuit!

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RE: wonderful!

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Norene, Window-Eyes put food on my wee, small table, worked virtually
flawlessly out of the box and did lots more for me.  I refuse the Transition
to Jaws offer; I'll keep Window-Eyes around until both my Windows XP Pro and
Windows7 Pro boxes DIE.  Thereafter, I shall be completely done with
anything Windows and Windows screen readers as I am almost FULLY emersed
into the great world of Android!  So, I'm still onboard the cruise ship
until the list is pulled down by V F O or whatever name it goes by.

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RE: switching to JAWS

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Again, the PassThrough Key using Jaws is Insert (AKA JAWS KEY) plus the
Number 3 key on the number row; Insert (or JAWS KEY) -F3 is the Jaws Find
Key and that's not the one you need for a PassThrough key.

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RE: switching to JAWS

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

PassThrough Key in Jaws:  Insert-3, the Number 3 used for inserting the
hash/pound sign.

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WINDOW-EYES BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH!!

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Yesterday, I got a new update notice from Window-Eyes!  It was one for the
Windows Enhanced app.  Because I had already known that it had to do with
the END OF LIFE info that I already knew, I chose NOT TO INSTALL it.
Instead, I changed the update setting in the combo box to DO NOT update and
closed it out.  

Anyway, I'll keep this Windows7 machine around until it dies, then, I'll put
it to pasture with Window-Eyes and trust that they can both figure out a way
to R I P -- Rest In Peace!  A slow good bye to Windows and its associated
screen reader(s); how I wish the relationship could continue, but if wishes
were horses, I can only wonder how far along the path this beggar will ride!


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