Re: [OSM-talk-be] CORINE Land Cover 2000 (now with permission)

2010-06-07 Per discussione Mathias Versichele
+1 2010/6/7 Luc Van den Troost luc.a...@gmail.com As it starts to be an early voting here, +1 for me too, at least for the areas with low areal resolution. For the areas with high res areal images we probably have to look first what areas have a good landuse definitions right now. Based on

[OSM-talk] presentation on introduction to osm technicals

2010-06-07 Per discussione Mikel Maron
Hi I'm giving a workshop on Friday at the Africa Agricultural GIS Week in Nairobi. The first half of the day will be a short mapping party. The second half of the day will survey topics in how to use OSM data ... in OpenLayers, Shapefiles, using osmosis, API, etc. The audience will be GIS

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] presentation on introduction to osm technicals

2010-06-07 Per discussione jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Hi, I have a presentation on the same topic due for the 20th, maybe we could work together. what about a shared google doc for a presentation? http://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0AYQovvVR7xyxZGc2NnAzc3dfMTk3Z3doMmJkYzkhl=en here i started something very simple. mike On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at

Re: [OSM-talk] presentation on introduction to osm technicals

2010-06-07 Per discussione François Van Der Biest
Hi Mikel, This page [1] deals with the use of the XAPI with OpenLayers. It's very interesting, but in French. The app [2] source might be more readable/ HTH, F. [1] http://www.geotribu.net/node/260 [2] http://88.191.39.115/fabien/geotribu/application/osm/xapi/ On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:14 AM,

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Peter Körner
John Smith schrieb: Currently I've been making a proposal for OSM to adopt an UUID tagging scheme so that third parties wishing to directly refer to OSM objects can do so without the current problems of using internal database reference IDs vanishing in future. I don't think that your

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 June 2010 17:58, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: I don't think that your uuid-tags will be more stable either - they are subject to thousands of editors that will sometimes delete tags they don't know or that won't take over those tags to the ways when they create polys for

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 June 2010 18:26, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I like Tim's Query-to-map [1] which accomplishes this task already and doesn't rely on any extra tagging, by combining bbox+[ref|name] -- tags that don't vanish as fast as some mysterious uuid tag. There is a lot of ID tags in

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: Also it doesn't cover a new thought I had on the subject, being able to assign unique IDs in the field without needing to connect to the main OSM DB to get a new ID, this might be useful in emergency situations where you need to tag a lot of things in tandem with a

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
John, John Smith wrote: I think you have misunderstood or at least not comprehended the potential for being able to easily share the same ID with other databases without needing to do special or complex bbox searches like you suggest. It doesn't exactly require a stroke of genius to see

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 June 2010 19:01, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: It doesn't exactly require a stroke of genius to see that potential, given that people are already using our internal IDs all over the place for lack of something better. I'm open to suggestion on what would be better, I don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 June 2010 18:51, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Sounds like a rather hypothetical situation to me but if I ever found myself in such a situation I would simply assign a block of negative IDs to every participant and have them use these. Just like in an .osc document really. That

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 June 2010 19:08, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 June 2010 18:51, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Sounds like a rather hypothetical situation to me but if I ever found myself in such a situation I would simply assign a block of negative IDs to every participant

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Peter Körner
Frederik Ramm schrieb: For every kind of object and every context in which you link to it, the change of some properties might invalidate the link. That's why UUIDs are not only clumsy but also not solving the problem. But location/tag combinations could:

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Peter Körner
John Smith schrieb: I think you have misunderstood or at least not comprehended the potential for being able to easily share ... I think I did. But as you already said, you're not the first one with this idea and just adding another id-tag doesn't make anything better. So please, let's first

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: You misunderstood, I wasn't talking about people tagging stuff moving across town, I was talking about the thing they tagged moving across town. Yes. And thereby a link might, or might not, lose its meaning. Also the current proposal suggests using multiple UUID tags

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 June 2010 19:19, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: But as you already said, you're not the first one with this idea and just adding another id-tag doesn't make anything better. So please, let's first check if this is *really* a good solution instead of just playing the

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 June 2010 19:13, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Frederik Ramm schrieb: For every kind of object and every context in which you link to it, the change of some properties might invalidate the link. That's why UUIDs are not only clumsy but also not solving the problem. But

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 June 2010 19:22, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: This could lead to an inflation of UUIDs on the object, and everyone who changes the object will have to decide which of them to keep, which to move, which to delete. For example, a restaurant would have one UUID for the building

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione David Earl
On 07/06/2010 10:22, Frederik Ramm wrote: Then if you, as a mapper, find that the restaurant has moved across town you'll have to find out what to do with these UUIDs (or, more likely, you'll just leave them alone). Isn't that going to be true whatever mechanism is used? If the OSM object

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Lester Caine
John Smith wrote: On 7 June 2010 19:19, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: But as you already said, you're not the first one with this idea and just adding another id-tag doesn't make anything better. So please, let's first check if this is *really* a good solution instead of just

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 June 2010 19:45, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Internally generated id numbers are used to currently identify things. As long as those numbers do not change then they can be used to provide permanent links to anything in the database. The problem - I think - is that these

Re: [OSM-talk] presentation on introduction to osm technicals

2010-06-07 Per discussione Iván Sánchez Ortega
El 07/06/2010 8:14, Mikel Maron escribió: The second half of the day will survey topics in how to use OSM data ... in OpenLayers, Shapefiles, using osmosis, API, etc. The audience will be GIS professionals. Does anyone have any presentation files or materials that covers this kind of thing?

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/7 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: John Smith schrieb:   Currently I've been making a proposal for OSM to adopt an UUID tagging   scheme so that third parties wishing to directly refer to OSM objects   can do so without the current problems of using internal database   reference

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Lester Caine
John Smith wrote: XML is supposed to make data interchange between different databases easier, but once you start mixing datasets all bets are off, this has nothing to do with XML and everything to do with mixing datasets. As for your other point about UUIDs being useful, I think I agree with

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 June 2010 20:05, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: UUID is an already well structured unique id so there is no point trying to redesign it ... lets just use it ... I haven't seen anyone argue against UUIDs specifically, just some people have approached the problem of trying to use

Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map

2010-06-07 Per discussione Gervase Markham
On 06/06/10 17:46, Gary68 wrote: could you please be a little bit more precise what you don't like at osmarender and especially mapgen.pl? It was me who said that, actually. Here are a few comments, mostly in relation to the Mapnik style:

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging wide steps (tribune / terrace)

2010-06-07 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/6 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Off the top of my head I'm thinking of a line within the area that defines the direction. it would have to be linked to the boundary by using relations(?) Yup that is how I

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:58 AM, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.dewrote: I don't think that your uuid-tags will be more stable either - they are subject to thousands of editors that will sometimes delete tags they don't know or that won't take over those tags to the ways when they create

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 June 2010 23:12, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: What about the website=* tag? Do people tend to maintain them? Because website=u.osm.org/c9f0f516-7da2-4cf0-a455-b09f90792c7d would work equally well and wouldn't require any new tags. While you can embed a UUID in a URL I would suggest it

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 9:18 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 7 June 2010 23:12, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: The only thing I'm really afraid of is that these tags would violate what some people seem to believe is a rule - the supposed map only what's on the ground rule.

Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map

2010-06-07 Per discussione Gary68
hi, thanks for the information. i thought that some issues were related to the style file but of course some are technology inherent - and might need heavy thinking and development before being solved. at least speaking for mapgen.pl regarding mapgen: - the icon issues could be solved quickly by

Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map

2010-06-07 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Gerv, Gervase Markham wrote: I'd like to render a map of about a square mile or so of the town of Bromley, in Kent, for the information sheet for my wedding in August (yay!). I guess by now you have an idea of the kind of trouble you're signing up to by getting married ;-) If you * are

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging wide steps (tribune / terrace)

2010-06-07 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/7 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Interesting problem. Seems related to the general how to map a street as an area without sacrificing the properties of streets problem. Use an area, and a relation, with the relation specifying which way(s) are the top and bottom? +1, as long as

[OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works

2010-06-07 Per discussione Alexrk
Hi, I've got a question about the current CC license: Let's say one would like to create a tourist map from OSM data - eg like those AZ city plans (http://www.a-zmaps.co.uk/?nid=354) Am I right that such a tourist map could only be published under a CC-like license again? In other words, if I

Re: [OSM-talk] Custom rendering of a small map

2010-06-07 Per discussione Colin Marquardt
2010/6/7 Gary68 g...@gary68.de: regarding mapgen: - the icon issues could be solved quickly by the user (by drawing or using new ones) FWIW, these icons here are awesome: http://www.sjjb.co.uk/mapicons/ (they are the successor/evolution of the svg-twotone ones that OSM's Mapnik style uses,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works

2010-06-07 Per discussione Alexrk
Frederik Ramm schrieb am 07.06.2010 19:36: So if that interpretation of CC-BY-SA is correct, practically no one would be able to do really creative things with OSM if she or he would like to get a ROI on that work? Our standard reply is that you cannot expect to apply old-world

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 7 June 2010 23:39, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Well, I'm sure even the most ardent map only what's on the ground proponents will make exceptions for things which are legally required. As If attribution is legally required the attribution tag should be used, not the source tag, the source

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 8 June 2010 10:16, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I'd prefer that. But if the let's try to get consensus for a new tag process fails, there's always shove it into an already accepted tag option. (At which point it'd probably be website:uuid=*, or even

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:16 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 7 June 2010 23:39, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Either way, I could see someone going around removing uuid=* tags from places where they couldn't find the QR code in the store window. UUIDs aren't just so you

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 8 June 2010 11:04, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Just to clarify, I don't mean to imply that they'd be right, just that I could see it happening. I'm still trying to find someone that has self printed suitable stickers to find out how to do it at a reasonable cost, while it might be cheap

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging wide steps (tribune / terrace)

2010-06-07 Per discussione Robin Paulson
On 6 June 2010 12:21, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: highway=steps area=yes? A very good question posed by Alex. I have a few wide steps (~50m) in my city. It's a good start for a solution from Nathan, but it would need a direction tag in order for the renderers to know which way

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Anthony
If you want to interlink databases, eg wikipedia, you would simply extend upon the work I've done for UUID to OSM object lookup table, you'd add one more table and then use the UUID as the key field and link other object IDs from other databases to it. Do you have a link? I'm not

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 8 June 2010 12:09, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I'm not sure. The description would be fairly freeform. I can't think of anything else that would be as freeform as that. I call it a wiki but I imagine most of the data would be structured. In fact, in many ways I think it'd be better

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:18 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: You might be confusing a couple of issues here, when you look at OSM tags you are viewing a simplified database, that is the raw data, what you are describing is presentation of that data in a more human friendly way,

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Really, I think we need a better example than a lamp post, or at least the node ID of an actual lamp post in OSM. http://osmdoc.com/en/tag/highway/street_lamp Still not sure what the use case would be, though :).

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 8 June 2010 12:50, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Really, I think we need a better example than a lamp post, or at least the node ID of an actual lamp post in OSM. http://osmdoc.com/en/tag/highway/street_lamp Still not sure

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:51 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 8 June 2010 12:50, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Really, I think we need a better example than a lamp post, or at least the node ID of an actual

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 8 June 2010 12:46, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I'm not the one who brought up free form text, you are. This is why this is a proposal and why we are discussing things to brain storm... Otherwise, we have no basis to maintain the link, and they might as well just link to the node. That's

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 8 June 2010 12:55, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Fair enough. So the description is optional. If someone needed to add a description can't they just use the note=* tag? Which then makes it a display issue. One purpose of unique IDs is to inter-link databases, while it's nice to know which

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Anthony
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:55 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 8 June 2010 12:46, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: How else are you going to describe what your object is? I don't see a uuid:lamp_post in your list of examples. I guess that would be, uuid:man_made? I don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione Anthony
By the way, I assume we should break this out to an off-list discussion, or on a different list, or something. My apologies to those who don't like a lot of traffic on talk. OSM-verbose, anyone? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 8 June 2010 13:04, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I just think it'd be a lot easier to say uuid=*, uuid_type=lamp post. Because uuid:highway=* is incredibly non-intuitive. Of course, that doesn't work because then you can't have multiple uuids on a single object without creating relations

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging OSM objects with UUIDs

2010-06-07 Per discussione John Smith
On 8 June 2010 13:09, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: By the way, I assume we should break this out to an off-list discussion, or on a different list, or something. My apologies to those who don't like a lot of traffic on talk. OSM-verbose, anyone? I attempted to start a thread on the

Re: [Talk-it] Garmin Etrex h

2010-06-07 Per discussione Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto
2010/6/6 Filippo Dal Bosco - filippo.dalbo...@libero.it: [cut] se l' escursionismo dura più giorni con notti passate in tenda? [cut] Eh, basta cambiare le batterie, che saranno spero delle normalissime batterie stilo :-) -- E' assurdo impiegare gli uomini di intelligenza eccellente per fare

[Talk-it] Domanda niubba

2010-06-07 Per discussione Giuliano Bordonaro
Avendo l'occasione prossimamente di trascorrere qualche giorno in quel di Finale Ligure/Borgio ho notato che molte tracce rilevate portano con se il tag fixme. Intuisco si tratti di qualcosa da correggere nel rilevamento, ma mi chiedo: in particolare cosa manca o è sbagliato? Sapendo cosa cercare

Re: [Talk-it] stampa mappa

2010-06-07 Per discussione Stefano Salvador
Ultima cosa magari poi l'approfondiamo, come si stampa un file di oltre 1 metro per quasi 4? c'è un modo per avere una cartina più portabile? ;) se passo da 72 a 300dpi non ricampionando si leggeranno i nomi delle vie e i dettagli piccoli? se voui stampare il file, devi passare a 300dpi,

Re: [Talk-it] Problemi con immagini PCN

2010-06-07 Per discussione Simone Saviolo
Sembra che adesso vada. Sarà stato un down temporaneo. Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Mappare i boschi

2010-06-07 Per discussione Federico Cozzi
2010/6/4 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: metto il PCN in massima risoluzione e comincio... I tuoi consigli sono ottimi, ma mi chiedo se non convenga aspettare la disponibilità di ulteriori fonti dati (es. Corine Land Cover 2006 come hanno fatto i francesi) per evitarsi la noia del

Re: [Talk-it] Domanda niubba

2010-06-07 Per discussione Giuliano Bordonaro
Il 07/06/2010 9.03, ale_z...@libero.it ha scritto: Ciao molte sono residential col tag name=fixme, significa perciò che manca il nome della via. La zona è battuta parecchio da utenti di passaggio che magari percorrono le vie in auto e non possono/vogliono segnare anche i nomi delle vie.

Re: [Talk-it] Mappare i boschi

2010-06-07 Per discussione Stefano Salvador
I tuoi consigli sono ottimi, ma mi chiedo se non convenga aspettare la disponibilità di ulteriori fonti dati (es. Corine Land Cover 2006 come hanno fatto i francesi) per evitarsi la noia del ricalco. Qualche commento dai più esperti sull'affidabilità / precisione dei due metodi? Se non

Re: [Talk-it] osmit ?

2010-06-07 Per discussione Tiziano D'Angelo
Il link per scaricarvi le slides della mia presentazione sulla mappatura del TPL a Padova: https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0AX90JH2rM34XZGR6cGJoczlfODU3anM2emgzcAhl=it Ciao Tiziano 2010/6/6 ale_z...@libero.it ale_z...@libero.it Dovrebbero essere disponibili tutte le slide dei diversi

Re: [Talk-it] Mappare i boschi

2010-06-07 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/7 Stefano Salvador stefano.salva...@gmail.com: I tuoi consigli sono ottimi, ma mi chiedo se non convenga aspettare la disponibilità di ulteriori fonti dati (es. Corine Land Cover 2006 come hanno fatto i francesi) per evitarsi la noia del ricalco. Qualche commento dai più esperti

Re: [Talk-it] sito da contattare

2010-06-07 Per discussione Luca Delucchi
Il 07 giugno 2010 05.45, Edoardo 'Yossef' Marascalchi edoa...@edoardomarascalchi.it ha scritto: Non mi ricordo se qualcuno ne aveva già parlato, cmq, ieri sono capitato per caso qui: http://www.zainoinspalla.it/index.asp conoscete, è già stato contattato? non lo conoscevo e non mi sembra

Re: [Talk-it] stampa mappa

2010-06-07 Per discussione niubii
Il 06/06/2010 21.09, Matteo ha scritto: Poi avvia Virtualbox e vai nel menu File / Importa applicazione virtuale Segui il menu guidato, ad un certo punto ti verra' chiesto di selezionare l'immagine dell'hard disk della macchina virtuale. E' il file che hai decompresso prima. Non mi fa

Re: [Talk-it] Graian Alps Mapping party

2010-06-07 Per discussione ale_z...@libero.it
Riprendiamo a parlarne? Secondo il sondaggio http://doodle.com/vksgfrpxee6ywib3? la data prescelta sarebbe il 17 -18 luglio, personalmente aggiungo anche venerdì 16 Oggi con Luca si parlava di quali cartine acquistare, pensavamo a queste http: //www.escursionista.it/quadrocartegenerale.html

[Talk-it] Impressioni da OSMit2010

2010-06-07 Per discussione Niccolo Rigacci
On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 03:14:26PM +0200, Stefano Salvador wrote: c'è qualcuno che può fare un riassunto di com'è andata ad osmit2010 ? Ecco qua le mie personalissime impressioni! Anzitutto una considerazione sulla nostra mappa: Genova è una delle città più complesse per un navigatore

[Talk-it] File img di GFOSS e Mapsource

2010-06-07 Per discussione Stefano Salvador
Ciao a tutti, stavo giocando con Mapsource (il programma per le mappe dei dispositivi Garmin) ed ho avuto diversi grattacapi perché utilizzandolo con le mappe in formato img esportate da GFOSS mi crashava miseramente. A dire il vero il software non è un granché, però mi sembrava comunque strano

[Talk-it] Fotografie e realtà

2010-06-07 Per discussione Simone Saviolo
Ciao a tutti, oggi usavo Streetview di Google e mi sono posto una domanda. Streetview usa dati (foto) raccolte mandando le famose Google cars in giro per le città; ovviamente, tutte queste foto avranno un qualche tipo di licenza d'uso non libera, e fin qua tutto ok. Immaginiamo ora che io voglia

Re: [Talk-it] Fotografie e realtà

2010-06-07 Per discussione Stefano Salvador
Che ne pensate? Mi sono posto le stesse domande più volte anch'io. Non solo un legale ma credo di aver capito che la risposta stia nella tutela sui generis dei database: tu non puoi creare un database (OSM) derivato da un altro database (StreetView di Google). Quindi non puoi leggere i nomi

Re: [Talk-it] Impressioni da OSMit2010

2010-06-07 Per discussione Stefano Salvador
Grazie per il resoconto. Andrebbe fatto un sondaggio tra gli osmers: come mai la passione OSM non va oltre la mappa e la mailing list? Non posso parlare per gli altri comunque io ci sarei venuto volentieri, solo che rubare 3 giorni al lavoro/famiglia non è sempre facile ... È un modello che

Re: [Talk-it] Fotografie e realtà

2010-06-07 Per discussione Elena of Valhalla
On 6/7/10, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: oggi usavo Streetview di Google [...] posso usare l'evidenza fattuale che ricavo dalla foto non libera), [...] secondo me oltre alla licenza della foto si dovrebbe anche leggere i termini d'uso del sito da cui e` stata tratta -- Elena

Re: [Talk-it] Fotografie e realtà

2010-06-07 Per discussione Federico Cozzi
2010/6/7 Stefano Salvador stefano.salva...@gmail.com: Mi sono posto le stesse domande più volte anch'io. Non solo un legale ma credo di aver capito che la risposta stia nella tutela sui generis dei database: tu non puoi creare un database (OSM) derivato da un altro database (StreetView di

Re: [Talk-it] Fotografie e realtà

2010-06-07 Per discussione ale_z...@libero.it
Mi pareva che ne avessimo parlato alcuni mesi fa dell'argomento Streetview. Io solitamente interpreto le licenze nella maniera più stringente possibile, nel caso delle foto però, sono daccordo con te per alcuni motivi: - mi pare che sia assodato che G non dica che nessuna informazione sia

Re: [Talk-it] Impressioni da OSMit2010

2010-06-07 Per discussione Niccolo Rigacci
On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 05:10:23PM +0200, Stefano Salvador wrote: ma forse i mappatori stanno perdendo l'occasione di trasformare il loro passatempo preferito in qualcosa di più importante? Non sarei così pessimista, perché OSM è già adesso qualcosa di importante Ho scritto male la

Re: [Talk-it] Fotografie e realtà

2010-06-07 Per discussione Federico Cozzi
2010/6/7 ale_z...@libero.it ale_z...@libero.it: che compongono il tragitto di una strada noi prenderemmo una piccolissima porzione di una delle molte foto della strada; percentualmente sarebbe una Io sarei ancora più ottimista: secondo me non prendiamo neanche una porzione della foto, ma un

Re: [Talk-it] Fotografie e realtà

2010-06-07 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/7 ale_z...@libero.it ale_z...@libero.it: - mi pare che sia assodato che G non dica che nessuna informazione sia copiabile da loro, ma piuttosto che  ... parti rilevanti, o ... con metodo sistematico non possano essere copiate; si, se prendo il nome di una strada, non è una parte

Re: [Talk-it] Garmin Etrex h

2010-06-07 Per discussione Filippo Dal Bosco -
Il giorno Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:24:28 +0200 (CEST) ale_z...@libero.it ale_z...@libero.it ha scritto: d'avere abbastanza autonomia). Per acquistare un GPS pensa piuttosto se lo vuoi cartografico, molto robusto, molto sensibile, economico o costoso ... questi sono i parametri più importanti :-)

Re: [Talk-it] Graian Alps Mapping party

2010-06-07 Per discussione Federico Cozzi
2010/6/7 Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com: per me vanno bene tutte a parte che ci sia tanto da mappare...chi conosce meglio la zona parli Conosco un po' la Valsavaranche. La prima cosa che dobbiamo decidere è se fare un mapping party internazionale (cercando di incontrare i cugini francesi)

Re: [Talk-it] Fotografie e realtà

2010-06-07 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/7 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com: Nel nostro caso invece non c'è nessun diritto d'autore sulla targa stradale. Ci potrebbe essere sulla streetview (discutibile: è stata presa meccanicamente, forse solo con il diritto UK sarebbe coperta da diritto d'autore) da cui comunque noi non

Re: [Talk-it] Fotografie e realtà

2010-06-07 Per discussione Simone Saviolo
Il 07 giugno 2010 17.36, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2010/6/7 ale_z...@libero.it ale_z...@libero.it: che compongono il tragitto di una strada noi prenderemmo una piccolissima porzione di una delle molte foto della strada; percentualmente sarebbe una Io sarei ancora più

Re: [Talk-it] Impressioni da OSMit2010

2010-06-07 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/7 Stefano Salvador stefano.salva...@gmail.com: Grazie per il resoconto. Andrebbe fatto un sondaggio tra gli osmers: come mai la passione OSM non va oltre la mappa e la mailing list? Non posso parlare per gli altri comunque io ci sarei venuto volentieri, solo che rubare 3 giorni al

Re: [Talk-it] Graian Alps Mapping party

2010-06-07 Per discussione ale_z...@libero.it
Messaggio originale Da: f.co...@gmail.com Data: 07/06/2010 17.45 A: openstreetmap list - italianotalk-it@openstreetmap.org Ogg: Re: [Talk-it] Graian Alps Mapping party Conosco un po' la Valsavaranche. La prima cosa che dobbiamo decidere è se fare un mapping party internazionale (cercando

Re: [Talk-it] Impressioni da OSMit2010

2010-06-07 Per discussione ale_z...@libero.it
Messaggio originale Da: dieterdre...@gmail.com Data: 07/06/2010 18.54 A: openstreetmap list - italianotalk-it@openstreetmap.org Ogg: Re: [Talk-it] Impressioni da OSMit2010 sarei venuto anch'io ma non ero in Italia in quei giorni. Ci vediamo a SOTM oppure l'anno prossimo... ciao, Martin

Re: [Talk-it] Impressioni da OSMit2010

2010-06-07 Per discussione Mattia Cacco
(cut) Intendevo dire: ma gli Osmers non si rendono conto che stanno creando un oggetto ben più importante della somma dei singoli contributi? Possibile che non siano interessati agli sviluppi di questo progetto? Tradotto in parole provere: nessuno che voglia trasformare il proprio

Re: [Talk-it] Garmin Etrex h

2010-06-07 Per discussione Federico Cozzi
2010/6/7 Filippo Dal Bosco - filippo.dalbo...@libero.it: MapSource è il dvd , suppongo, non le mappe su scheda SD. MapSource è un programma gratuito che in teoria è disponibile solo con mappe Garmin (a pagamento). In pratica è possibile scaricarlo dal sito Garmin e usarlo anche per mappe non

Re: [Talk-it] Impressioni da OSMit2010

2010-06-07 Per discussione Niccolo Rigacci
On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 09:50:01PM +0200, Mattia Cacco wrote: Io credo che attualmente ci sia più di qualcuno che possa essere interessato a trasformare il proprio passatempo in una professione, io compreso, ma (almeno dal mio punto di vista) vedo troppe difficoltà e poca chiarezza normativa.

Re: [Talk-it] stampa mappa

2010-06-07 Per discussione Matteo
niubii ha scritto: [...] - ti annoti il nome delle due directory in cui risiedono questi files - copi/sovrascrivi nelle stesse directory i due files che hai estratto dall'archivio compresso ho provato con il compia incolla ma non funziona, mi segnala un errore VirtualBox ho provato anche

Re: [Talk-it] Garmin Etrex h

2010-06-07 Per discussione Domenico
Il 07/06/2010 17.53, Filippo Dal Bosco - ha scritto: Sopratutto, se cartografico, mi intereserebbe uno che si lasci caricare con foto e/o mappe da me disegnate acquisite con scanner o con mappe da me disegnate tramite PC. Al momento che io sappia solo i nuovi firmware del colorado,

Re: [Talk-it] Graian Alps Mapping party

2010-06-07 Per discussione Roberto Moretti
Non ho mai partecipato ad un mapping party in montagna e non so se convenga dividerci (un sentiero a testa, ci si ritrova la sera) oppure fare tutti insieme (molto più simpatico, si mappa di meno). Nel primo caso ci conviene rimanere in una zona, nel secondo caso possiamo tentare percorsi più

Re: [Talk-it] Impressioni da OSMit2010

2010-06-07 Per discussione Roberto Moretti
Infine un grazie a tutta l'organizzazione, Luca Delucchi si è fatto in quattro per la riuscita dell'evento ed ha trascinato tutto il Comitato Organizzatore. Secondo me le persone hanno dimostrato di essere di gran lunga superiori alle istituzioni per le quali lavorano: valga per tutti il

[Talk-at] S35-Eröffnung

2010-06-07 Per discussione my_friend
Hallo! Kann vielleicht ein Ortsansässiger den genauen Verlauf + Anschlussstellen/Tunnels der S35 einzeichnen? Da dürfte sich auf der Strecke Bruck-Mixnitz seit der Eröffnung des Lückenschlusses einiges geändert. Ich habe es bereits grob eingezeichnet. Mfg My Friend -- Sicherer, schneller und

[Talk-at] OSM-Stammtisch Innsbruck am 17.06.2010

2010-06-07 Per discussione Simon Legner
Servus, der letzte Innsbrucker Stammtisch wurde im April gemeinsam mit der Linux User Group Tirol (LUGT) veranstaltet. Im Rahmen von zwei kleineren Präsentationen wurde das neue Ubuntu sowie das Projekt OpenStreetMap vorgestellt. Anschließend entwickelten sich interessante Diskussionen. Die Idee

Re: [talk-ph] Car navigation using Garmin with OSM

2010-06-07 Per discussione Jim Morgan
maning sambale wrote, On Monday, 07 June, 2010 01:39 PM: I have been reviewing estimated time of arrival (ETA) for garmin gps routing. I noticed that as Sehested reported, the speed calculation is over-optimistic. Due to the absence of complete maxspeed data in PH streets, I think the

Re: [talk-ph] Car navigation using Garmin with OSM

2010-06-07 Per discussione Michael Cole
Wrong suggestion more apt.. Rules don't apply The speeds should be set to the real speed limits by law not a vague Traffic flow limitation imposed by Traffic (Jam) Enforcers... If I do 30KM/H will my garmin later report speeding? 5KM per hour is walking speed, I do faster than that most

Re: [talk-ph] Car navigation using Garmin with OSM

2010-06-07 Per discussione maning sambale
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Michael Cole colemic...@gmail.com wrote: (I walk everywhere in Makati..) And my cycling speed is faster than most primary/secondary roads in Marikina :) I agree that most of this speed limits isn't followed, but the default road_speed (in the osm-ph map) is very

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works

2010-06-07 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Alex, Alexrk wrote: Am I right that such a tourist map could only be published under a CC-like license again? In other words, if I do so and sell just one copy of that map, any Big Publishing Co could duplicate and sell the same on its own for ..hmm.. half the price? Correct. So if

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works

2010-06-07 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 7 June 2010 21:40, Alexrk alex...@yahoo.de wrote: Frederik Ramm schrieb am 07.06.2010 19:36: So if that interpretation of CC-BY-SA is correct, practically no one would be able to do really creative things with OSM if she or he would like to get a ROI on that work? Our standard reply

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works

2010-06-07 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Alex, Alexrk wrote: You might like AZ (or Falk or whatever) or not - but please don't underestimate the creative work of cartographers. Making a good readable, fine-looking paper map is far more than installing Mapnik, choosing some color styles and pressing the render-button. I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works

2010-06-07 Per discussione Alexrk
Frederik Ramm schrieb am 07.06.2010 22:55: Incidentally that it also the reason why I am against share-alike licenses - because they are rooted in IP, in the idea that our work of recording stuff around us somehow entitles us to dictate our terms and conditions to others. Just like you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works

2010-06-07 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Alex, Alexrk wrote: Lets assume someone works two weeks - hunch darkly night after night over Adobe Illustrator, coming up with a handmade city map of Hamburg. OK voila nice, now lets try to sell it in a small edition of printed copies (BoD or whatsoever). But why should one invest two

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