TB + GPG != love
Hello, Haven't used GPG with TB since v8.X, just tried on v9 and it seems like TB! is not calling Pinentry properly if user's key is on a card. ``` gpg: using "and...@savchenko.net" as default secret key for signing gpg: signing failed: Bad PIN gpg: [stdin]: clear-sign failed: Bad PIN ``` The very same card works via: 1. `gpg` ELF 2. `gpg.exe` on Windows 3. Kleopatra GUI frontend on Windows 4. Thunderbird v78 -- v9.2.3.0 x64 on Windows 10 19041 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TheBat! advertises support of insecure TLS cipher suits
Hello, While trying to make sense of the appalling connection success rate in v9.2.3.0, I have looked at the TLS session and observed the following: 1. After receiving ACK, TB! starts ClientHello advertising support of 26 different cipher suits. Some of them look questionably at best and concerning at worst. 3. In particular TLS_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_MD5 is prohibited by IETF (see the RFC 7465) and 3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA has rather limited use in 2020. I am not quite sure if this affects failing sessions, but perhaps RitLabs can restrict the list to something more up-to-date? For example: 1. ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 2. ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 3. ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 4. ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 5. ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 6. DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 7. DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 Additionally, I would check if TB! has TLS 1.0/1.1 disabled. v1.2 has turned 12 years old last month :) -- v9.2.3.0 x64 on Windows 10 18363 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Change account from POP3 to IMAP
Hello, Seeing that lately TB! gets stuck on receiving mail more often than it actually manages to complete the transaction, I have decided to try it via IMAP. Surprisingly, I can't quite figure out how to do it... Any hints? In account properties, under the "Transport" tab I can change the server name, port and auth. scheme, but how to switch from POP3 to IMAP? -- v9.2.3.0 x64 on Windows 10 18363 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[Request] Add increased verbosity to the log
Hello Stefan & All, Is it possible (...or would it be possible...) to increase verbosity in TB's log? Client often gets stuck while trying to establish TLS v1.2 connection. Thanks. -- v9.2.3.0 x64 on Windows 10 18363 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail
Hello, 1. Select an e-mail in "Sent" folder that is reply to a letter stored _not_ under the main "Inbox" folder. 2. Use either an option in the right-click menu or hit + 3. TheBat! crashes instantly without producing an error message / etc. POP3 account, OTFP (on-the-fly-encrypted) mail storage. Can anyone confirm before I create a bug report? -- v9.2.2.9 (BETA) x64 on Windows 10 18363 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: "To" address line is being over-written while editing
Hello Stefan, Sunday, August 2, 2020, 4:44:13 AM, you wrote: > Actually, you can adjust it in the preferences - Viewer/Editor - > Header fields - To/CC/BCC - Complete automatically... My goal is not to disable autocomplete, but to avoid user input being automatically over-written by the ill-mannered software. Picture this: Scenario #1: User inputs a text and offered some suggestions from the drop-down menu. Scenario #2: User inputs a text that is being automatically replaced by the naive matching algorithm. 1st one is the helpful feature while the 2nd one is the hostile behaviour. -- Regards, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
"To" address line is being over-written while editing
Steps to reproduce: 1. Select a sent message 2. Use "edit as new" 3. Start adjusting "To" field with an address that is similar to one present in an address book 4. TB silently replaces your edit with one from the address book Work-around: type address in a text editor and paste into TB field... Can anyone confirm? -- v9.2.2.1 (BETA) x64 on Windows 10 18363 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[9.2.2.1] Toolbar buttons are messed-up after restart
Hello, Subj. Steps to reproduce 1. Create main toolbar layout as on the screenshot #1 2. Observe the result as on the screenshot #2 3. Restart TheBat! 4. Observe "new" tooldbar layout as on the screenshots #3 and #4 Mantis link: https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=2063 P.S. Please do not suggest to delete the user preferences again, I have done it at least a dozen of times since v9 "release". -- v9.2.2.1 (BETA) x64 on Windows 10 18363 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
"View messaging history with this person" does nothing
Hello, Clicking the subj. button does nothing. Could someone confirm before I fill the bug report? -- v9.2.2.1 (BETA) x64 on Windows 10 18363 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v9.2.2 silently crashes on launch
Hello, Thursday, July 16, 2020, 10:03:24 PM, I wrote: > After this week's "patch Tuesday", v9.2.2 silently crashes upon launch. Fixed by: 1. Launching v9.2.X voyager and running it under WinDbg to catch the moment it crashes during import 2. Removing virtual folder which appeared to be a "culprit" under v9.1.X 3. Re-importing account backup without virtual folder under the v9.2.2 RitLabs support was as useless as usual and was unable to provide any meaningful advice past the standard "have you tried turning it on and off again?". -- Regards, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v 9.2.2?
Hello Stefan, Thursday, July 16, 2020, 3:41:51 AM, you wrote: > most of the problems were fixed for sure as I was experiencing them > before the release and do not see them after the release. That's a well-substantiated statement. To quote MFPA who has sent this using v9.2.2: > My customisation is "show button captions" and moving the "Send + > Check for All" button to just after "Get New Mail". I still have to > set "show button captions" each time I restart TB! but the "Send + > Check for All" button stays where I put it. [...] -- Regards, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
From TheBat! to Thunderbird
Hello, Just wondering if any fellow TBUDL members have switched and/or using Thunderbird in parallel. Any best practises to share? Thinking of exporting each folder as *.mbox, re-importing them all in Thunderbird and be done with the daily bugs plaguing the e-mail client. -- With regards, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
v9.2.2 does not delete mail on server as scheduled
Hello, After resurrecting TB! by reverting back to v9.1.X I have noticed it has started re-downloading all e-mails again. This is a well-known bug and affects number of people at random. You can find more details at https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1779. After logging into the Webmail interface, I have found that TB! wasn't deleting old e-mails despite the option "Keep messages on server" being set to 1 day. MX is managed by "mailbox.org" which is rather well-known operator and so far reported no misconfigurations on their side that would introduce such issue (e.g. MTA reporting message as deleted and failing to actually remove it from the base). Feel free to mention support ticket #87842 if you experience the same. -- v9.1.16 x64 on Windows 10 18363 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
v9.2.2 silently crashes on launch
Hello, After this week's "patch Tuesday", v9.2.2 silently crashes upon launch. Reverted back to v9.1.16 as it seems to work... Minus the toolbars that are traditionally broken. Any confirmations? Created support ticket #87841, feel free to quote. -- v9.1.16 x64 on Windows 10 18363 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v 9.2.2?
Hello Susanne, Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 5:38:02 AM, you wrote: > Is the toolbar customization problem fixed? No. -- Regards, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[v9.2.2.0] Customise toolbar(s) with folders
Hello, If you are running v9.2.2.0, could you please try to create a custom folder and add some actions to it? I have tried a few times and observe the following: 1. Folder is not visible on toolbar even with the icon assigned 2. Actions can't be added under the folder Screenshot attached. -- v9.2.2.0 x64 on Windows 10 18363 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why is TB downloading all server mail and not just new messages?
Hello Thomas, Monday, July 13, 2020, 10:16:21 AM, you wrote: > Known bug, it happens rarely vbut does happen: Can confirm, has happened to me twice during the past week. -- Regards, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Odd Behavior v9.2.1
Hello MFPA, Thursday, July 9, 2020, 5:55:06 AM, you wrote: > I find that in v 9.2.1 my menu customisation is lost each time I > restart TB!. Same. Hence I have reverted back to the DevExpress builds. -- Regards, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Collapse all threads
Hello Stefan, Saturday, July 4, 2020, 9:24:49 PM, you wrote: > Use Ctrl+Shift+ Plus to expand all threads and Ctrl+Shift+Minus to > collapse all threads, Asterisk toggles the expanded state of all threads. Thanks, this works. It also collapses date-based threading though, perhaps the latter should be excluded? -- v9.1.18.3 (BETA) x64 on Windows 10 18363 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Collapse all threads
Hello, Surely there is a button to collapse all threads... Somewhere. I have used "menu navigator", but so far was unable to find one. Any hints? -- v9.1.18.3 (BETA) x64 on Windows 10 18363 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
v9.2.1.0 / toolbars not saved
Hello, Subj. says it all. I remember this being an issue some time ago during the transition to DevExpress widgets... Solution was to launch TB! with a certain parameter, decrypt user settings file and nuke a set of relevant lines. ...Does anyone have this recipe handy?.. -- v9.2.1.0 x64 on Windows 10 18363 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Incorrect "reply" highlighting in MicroEd
Hello Thomas, Sunday, June 21, 2020, 12:43:06 PM, you wrote: > Mine is set to 10 characters (so your example above is not > highlighted), but you set it to any value that makes sense to you. Works. Shouldn't there be a more robust detection of the reply symbol? Currently TheBat seems to use: (.*>.*|^>.*) How about this instead: (^>\s.*|\w>.*) Latter would prevent detection of ">" somewhere mid-line. CC'ing Stefan. -- Regards, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Incorrect "reply" highlighting in MicroEd
Hello, This string of text is incorrectly highlighted as reply: ``` X.X. Some text ">" that must not be highlighted as the reply... ``` Before I create bug report, could someone please confirm? Screenshot attached. -- v9.1.18 x64 on Windows 10 18363 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Account tree font
Hello Jack, Sunday, June 21, 2020, 8:21:34 AM, you wrote: > Using TB! 6.0.12 > OS: Win 10 v6 Build: 9200 Are these versions correct?.. -- Regards, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Set default viewer (text/html) on per-folder basis
Hello, Is there a way to set preferred message view on per-folder basis? Say mailing lists and some others would default to text and news will default to HTML. -- v9.1.18 x64 on Windows 10 18363 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Delete attachments en masse
Hello, Is there a way to delete attachments from a bunch of messages? I have checked the "actions", but can't find anything suitable. -- v9.1.18 x64 on Windows 10 18363 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Change "From" field under a single account
Hello MFPA, Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 7:41:55 AM, you wrote: > Type in the "from" field of the message editor. As indicated in the 1st message, this is what I do now. > One way is to set up "accounts" in The Bat! for the most-used sending > addresses. Appreciate the idea, but the 1st sentence of my message was: "How can I change 'From' field under a single account?" > When you redirect a message, the From address is still the original > sender. You may find your outgoing mail server doesn't accept > redirected messages. Thank you for highlighting the difference, it is an important concept. > If the From address is changed to your address, you are forwarding the > message instead of redirecting it. True. Shall adjust my forward template(s) then. -- Regards, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Change "From" field under a single account
Hello, How can I change "From" field under a single account? Picture this: 1. Several domains are pointing to a single MX/MTA 2. I receive and send e-mails for/from using the MX in question Currently, when in need to send an e-mail from postmaster@, I have to change "From" field in the "Edit Mail Message" window manually for every single message. Is there a way to add most used addresses so they show in the drop-down list? And what about "Redirect" function? Its window has no option to edit "From" at all. -- Cheers, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Header field larger or smaller than X
Hello MFPA, Sunday, May 17, 2020, 11:22:49 PM, you wrote: > I was thinking of the macros you use in message templates, etc. Excuse me, how is this relevant to the question asked? > Try an internet search for: regex "number greater than" Have tried. I am mostly used to PCRE which is (AFAIK!) does not allow direct comparison. One can start looping over [1-9], etc. but I am not sure of performance implications on TheBat! as well as sheer possibility of it. > Or if the header field is a spam score, see if the tool can prefix the > subject with a string (or put the string in a custom header) and match > that string in your filter. I can't modify the tool. -- Regards, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Header field larger or smaller than X
Hello MFPA, Saturday, May 16, 2020, 2:52:29 AM, you wrote: > If you mean the value of a specific header field is greater or smaller > than "X", maybe the %IF or %IFN macro? Could you please clarify? Would you use it via "matches all as RegExp" selector? Screenshot attached (hopefully will work after Marck has changed something on server's side). -- Regards, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Header field larger or smaller than X
Hello Jack, Friday, May 15, 2020, 12:07:31 AM, you wrote: > There was no attachment. Here we go, 2Kb file: https://i.imgur.com/6BtdEB5.png Marck, could you please check on your (aka server's) end? -- Regards, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Header field larger or smaller than X
Hello, Is there a way to test if header field is greater or smaller than "X"? Attaching screenshot of the current "solution" which is obviously non-optimal and tedious to maintain if the range of values is large. -- Cheers, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The message's content type was not explicitly allowed
Hello MAU, Monday, May 11, 2020, 8:52:27 PM, you wrote: > ,- [ Here you are ] > | Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 > | Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > `- ...and which macros is that? :) -- Regards, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Strip greetings when replying
Hello Marck, Monday, May 11, 2020, 8:53:20 PM, you wrote: > There are 2 more QTs you need to complete the set for this to work > properly. Thanks, done. I wonder how you include it, on folder or account level? I have tested as the reply template for a folder - works fine now. Have to check if this handy "styled-with-initials" kind of response is RFC'd / supported by others. -- Regards, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Strip greetings when replying
Hello Marck, Monday, May 11, 2020, 8:08:00 PM, you wrote: > ,--/ Initials \-- Getting there! Surprisingly, it returns ">Cfa" for all senders. Is this a normal PCRE? Before I dig into it, is there a syntax highlighting for TB macros available? VIM, Notepad++, etc... Lastly, from a quick look, \5 group is unnecessary as it matches the domain name. -- Regards, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Strip greetings when replying
Hello Marck, Monday, May 11, 2020, 7:47:40 PM, you wrote: > ,--/ I use this very mature example \-- Not bad! Unfortunately does not work on HTML and returns ``` Cannot find a quick template "Initials" ``` P.S. After using this Macro, TheBat! decided to re-download all mail. Bizarre. -- Regards, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Strip greetings when replying
Hello, How do *you* automatically detect and remove "greetings line" when replying to a message? I would think of %SETPATTREGEXP manipulation, but surely there are some ready-made recipes out there. -- Cheers, A Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Future of TB* mailing lists
Hello MFPA, Sunday, May 10, 2020, 9:49:05 PM, you wrote: > Would that lead to more help for ordinary users' TB! issues? Or would > their messages simply get lost among all the beta testers' messages? > It would certainly be massively increased traffic compared to the > current TBUDL, and most TBBETA traffic is likely not relevant to the > needs of most current TBUDL users. Fair point. I was looking at this from the viewpoint of current traffic levels which are rather low. > Why do they need their own domain? They don't _need_ own domain, this is from the "improvement" category. > They are perfectly fine where Marck currently hosts them at > silverstones.com. What if Marck is being hit by the car and server lease is not renewed? Same goes for domain name, etc. > And many mailing lists are perfectly fine at one of the mailing list > hosts such as groups.io, etc. groups.io: - "your own domain" is a $200/month option. Next? > Silverstones.com does have HTTPS, with a self-signed certificate. Which defies its purpose... How about LetsEncrypt that is free and easy to deploy? > I thought that had been done a few years back at something called The > Bat User Documentation Project (TBUDP) but I can't find a link at the > moment. Good examples: - Claws: https://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Main_Page - Thunderbird: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/thunderbird -- Regards, A Current version is 8.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello Gunivortus, Sunday, May 10, 2020, 5:16:43 PM, you wrote: > I don't have that option between 'Reply to All' and 'Forward'. I wonder why... Perhaps try messaging RitLabs support directly? It is available by default. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Future of TB* mailing lists
Hello All, It is 2020 out there and TB mailing lists seem to be a little outdated. Screenshots being stripped from the messages unless it all fits in 25Kb, famous "Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information" footer attached to all messages... Perhaps it is time for a maintenance? Things that come to mind, in no particular order: * Increase size limits for attachments. * Remove or, at very least, update "current version" footer. * Consider merging TDUDL/TBBETA into one. * Move mailing lists homepage to a separate domain. * Modernise lists website, enable HTTPs. * Ensure lists historical data is available and easily exportable. * Collate available TheBat! documentation / FAQs / Tips. * etc. Thoughts? -- Cheers, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello Thomas, Sunday, May 10, 2020, 11:27:45 AM, you wrote: > Your contect menu is different from mine. What viwer/editor do you > use? I use MicroEd. MicroEd, v9.1.18. No changes made to the menu on my side. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello MAU, Sunday, May 10, 2020, 6:07:47 AM, you wrote: > Sorry, no attachment. Can you upload the screenshot to > http://www.canyonero.com/ and send the link? thanks a lot. Here we go: https://i.imgur.com/YoFRdGV.png -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello Miguel, Saturday, May 9, 2020, 5:45:04 PM, you wrote: > Excuse my ignorance and/or blindness. Where can I find that option? Please refer to the screenshot attached. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello Susanne, Monday, May 4, 2020, 8:18:02 AM, you wrote: > If there are both html and text available, it doesn't work in text view. I have tried the same action here and it works. Perhaps try on another message to be sure? Also, are you using v9.1.18? > By the way, is there a short cut for "reply using selected text", > since I can't currently create a button for that? Right click on any toolbar --> Customize --> Shortcuts. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply all quoting selected text
Hello Susanne, Monday, May 4, 2020, 2:55:41 AM, you wrote: > Sorry, it's actually the exact opposite. > Works in Html view, but not in Text. Just tried using v9.1.18, works fine. Check that you are not using regular "reply using selected text as the quote" function, one that is on F4 by default. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Ritlabs Website down?
Hello Susanne, Sunday, April 19, 2020, 12:35:49 AM, you wrote: > Thanks for checking! > I just discovered that I can reach the site on my phone, when not using my > home network. > Deleting cookies, restarting pc, and turning off virus protection have not > helped. > Very strange. Will have to do some reading why one particular website seems > to be blocked for me. (Assuming you run Windows) Try `nslookup.exe www.ritlabs.com` in PowerShell window, what does it say? -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ritlabs Website down?
Hello Susanne, Sunday, April 19, 2020, 12:22:04 AM, you wrote: > since yesterday, I haven't been able to access the Ritlabs site. > Tried 2 different browsers. > > Is anyone else having this problem? Seems to be up: > $ http --headers https://www.ritlabs.com | head -1 > HTTP/1.1 302 Found ...Also opens in www-browser. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hello Thomas, Thursday, April 16, 2020, 7:54:41 PM, you wrote: > This is getting off-topic. Anyway, I am not a beta tester for Windows, > and the update is automatic. I am not following the Win10 version > numbers and never had a desire to go back to any beta version before > the release version that I am using. There is absolutely no reason to > go back to a beta version that is older than the release version you > are using, is there? I agree with the "off-topic" statement. Let's say we have our differences, which is fine, as both approaches have right for existence. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hello Thomas, Thursday, April 16, 2020, 10:40:58 AM, you wrote: > There is never a reason for someone who is not a beta tester to > download any beta version. > Once the release version is out, there is no need to revert back to a > beta version. Those are rather broad statements. > Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.1.14 (64-bit) > under Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Following the logic from above, how come you are not running the latest stable Windows? Build 18362 is neither most recent one nor LTSC. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 7:57:55 PM, you wrote: > Good to hear. Don't download from unauthrotised sites. Generally good advice, however in this case it would be prudent to actually look at the content. > Here are the release versions: > https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/archive-versions.php > The release version of v8 was issued after *all* the betas for v8. Why > you want to download a beta version with bugs that there fixed in the > release is beyond me. Was it? Let's check the signatures: v8.8.9 was signed on June 5th, while v8.8.9.12 on 8th of September. That is ~3 months difference. Screenshot attached. Lastly, one can simply check the history of this mailing list. > If you are interested in contributing to beta testing though, it will > be better to subscribe to TBBETA and get the versions from Ritlabs > rather than from some unauthorised sites where you don't know what you > actually download. v8.8.9.12 files were removed from RT's website, that is the only reason I have provided those links. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hello Luca, Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 7:50:31 PM, you wrote: > It won't work! A new 8.x release should be issued to solve the problem. I > cannot see any on the beta list. Ah, that was a thread re. TLS issues. Pardon. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hello Paul, Saturday, April 11, 2020, 9:08:37 PM, you wrote: > It is a "where is the horse" issue. Precisely. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hello Thomas, Saturday, April 11, 2020, 8:35:35 PM, you wrote: > There are newer betas... ;-) of v8? Please share. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hello Thomas, Saturday, April 11, 2020, 1:58:28 PM, you wrote: > Why would you want to download an old beta version? Because newer "release" version is not production ready. Check all the complains about UI in v9 branch posted to this list in the past weeks. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hello Thomas, Saturday, April 11, 2020, 1:19:35 PM, you wrote: > May I suggest to not download beta versions from any unauthorised > sites. If you want to use beta versions, please become a member of the > TBBETA discussion group and downlaod the official betas from the > Ritlabs website only. While "do not download unknown binaries" is generally a good advice, these files were removed from RitLabs website. One can check if executable is signed, from PS: $ Get-AuthenticodeSignature .\thebat64.exe Directory: C:\Program Files\Bat8 SignerCertificate Status Path - -- 6F03CB38881E1E96784B7F00403CC356BA43A839 Validthebat64.exe or, by right-clicking on the binary and selecting "Properties --> Digital Signatures". Lastly, submitting file to https://virustotal.com can shed some light. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TheBat does not use ASLR?
Hello, Under "features" section, RitLabs claims: > The Bat! uses Windows Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR) and > Data Execution Prevention (DEP) to protect your computer from viruses > and malware spread via email. However, looking at executable, it sits at the default image address (0x0040) and ProcessExplorer reports ASLR being disabled. Is this a one-off glitch that has occurred while linking a specific build, me looking in wrong places or a false advertisement? Have filled the ticket with RitLabs, let's see what comes back. Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/rrLA9uG.png (I would gladly attach it to the letter if not 25Kb message body limit) -- Cheers, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Column width / UI bugs
Hello All, Friday, April 10, 2020, 12:13:02 AM, I wrote: > [2] Column width is constantly changing when switching between folders > that share the same "View Mode". I have no logical explanation here. Possible workarounds, either: A) Create new viewing mode for each folder B) Set "limit expansion of the first column" to 1. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems
Hello Paul, Friday, April 10, 2020, 7:43:01 AM, you wrote: >>> I'm comfy with the late v.8, I would appreciate very much if I could >>> downgrade >>> and keep on with that while v.9 grows mature. S>> I wholeheartedly agree! S>> The customization, where even available, doesn't stick. It reverts S>> back to the default after each restart! > The behavior is the same here. Latest v8 beta available in public: https://mega.nz/file/JktHDQDT#zki2R-F6loABaYNkKeVa_H5nPtPt4Wg9QaMEUDH9KSk http://uploaded.net/file/gvpoinfr -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Column width / UI bugs
Hello, I am fighting the battle with the quirks of TheBat! interface and it seems like I am not exactly winning here. The interface is not adaptive and riddled with tiny annoying glitches that get on your nerves daily. I am aware of the "switch to summary view" option, that is not it. If I have to summarise, the most annoying ones are: [1] Lack of "automatic" width scaling. Ever used Total Commander? Does not matter what windows size is, there are no ugly gaps on the sides. If window is resized, TC would automatically adjust width of the "Name" column while leaving Date/Extension/Size the same. If window is resized back to its initial scale - TC returns to precisely the same layout without user's intervention. Logical? Yes, very much so. What TheBat offers instead? You have guessed it right, horizontal scroller... [2] Column width is constantly changing when switching between folders that share the same "View Mode". I have no logical explanation here. Have tried to delete all custom views and set two folders to the "No View Mode" setting - still the same, width of columns changes seemingly at random. [3] Daily "access violation" errors. Most of them refer to thebat64.exe attempting to utilize non-existing object (reading FF/00). Logs and screenshots submitted to Mantis. While I do not want to complain, this situation leaves me questioning own life choices. I have paid for a commercial software in hope it will offer certain advantages over an open-source and free-as-in-beer MUA* I have been using previously. To the day, it has been a fight with non-operational GPG (v8 builds), appalling testing of releases (or lack thereof) and above-mentioned interface nuisances. * Claws Mail. -- Cheers, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Cleartext leaks in encrypted TheBat! setup
Hello, If someone is running TheBat! with master password enabled, could you please check: 1. $MAILDIR/UserDics contains *.udc files with unencrypted user dictionaries (words added to the dict.) 2. $MAILDIR location and username in .TBK backup are stored in cleartext. Try `string *.TBK* | head -20` to see it somewhere at the beginning. -- Cheers, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: encrypting messages
Hello Christopher, Saturday, March 28, 2020, 11:33:06 AM, you wrote: > I've never used it, nor do I know if The Bat! can use this mode let > alone it's compatibility with other email clients. Possible with clients that support easy(ish) passing of key-data handling to pinentry. Also, I should have added -a flag to the command so that output is ASCII, e.g. `gpg -o encrypted -ac cleartext` -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: encrypting messages
Hello Christopher, Thank you for the well-constructed and informative message, I just wanted to add one small point to the below: >> What I would like to be able to do is send password-protected >> messages that can only be opened by the receiving party who has the >> password. Is that what this process does? > Neither S/MIME encryption nor Open PGP encryption password protect a > message. (Encryption doesn't require password protection, and > password protection doesn't imply encryption.) > S/MIME and Open PGP use asymmetric cryptography (public & private > keys). There is no "shared secret" or password between the two of you. > A shared password would be a use of symmetric cryptography. I'm not > aware of an email encryption standard that uses symmetric cryptography. It is *technically* possible to use GPG in symmetric mode for messaging purposes. ``` $ echo "Hello World" > cleartext $ gpg -o encrypted -c cleartext ``` ...Then one needs to wrap the routine above into something palatable for e-mail usage. I could imagine doing it with (neo)mutt et al., but not with TheBat. -- Regards, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Change HTML templates
Hello, Where can I change things like a font declaration in HTML message and CSS styling of reply (by default - with #ff border) ? I am aware of Account Properties --> Templates and Viewer templates, but using these I can tweak only plain-text representaiton, surely HTML is adjustable... Somewhere. -- Cheers, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sync SmartBat with CalDav server or Windows Calendar
Hello, I am unsure as to how many of us actually use SmartBat for scheduling, but wouldn't it be neat to sync it with an external CalDav or "Windows Calendar"? I have looked around and it seems like such option is currently not available. @Ritlabs, Was this ever requested / discussed / on roadmap? -- Cheers, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automatically close tabs upon clearing "quick search" field
Hello Andrew, Sunday, October 20, 2019, 10:56:30 PM, you wrote: > * Is anyone aware of a way to disable automatic tabs creation? > * ...or maybe there is a way to close them all automatically? > * ...or (as the last resort) create a hotkey that nukes them all? Two things: 1. Screenshots are (apparently) stripped from the messages posted to this list. 2. Somewhat desirable behaviour can be achieved by disabling tabs altogether. Then, clearing "Quick Search" returns view to the message list and temporarily created tabs survive only until TheBat is restarted. Menu --> Workspace --> Untick "Show message list tabs". Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Automatically close tabs upon clearing "quick search" field
Hello All, Every time I search for something using a "Quick Search" toolbar, small tab with the results appears underneath the message list. Those tabs are not deleted automatically and stay there as a useless reminder of past attempts to find something. Worse, entering new text in the "Quick Search" creates a search-within-a-search scenario. Similar to "cat blah | grep something | grep whatever" in a shell. Questions: * Is anyone aware of a way to disable automatic tabs creation? * ...or maybe there is a way to close them all automatically? * ...or (as the last resort) create a hotkey that nukes them all? Checked the settings, not much in there. Screenshot attached. -- Many thanks, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Synchronize with Windows contacts
Windows 10 has default contacts location set to ~/Contacts Has anyone came across a way to synchronize Bat's contacts with the said folder? Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[Feature] Tabs support
Greetings, As an avid Zimbra user (as well the TheBat user!), I wonder if anyone else is missing "tabs" in the interface? Imagine fairly typical situation: you are working on several letters at the same time and need to quickly skim through something in the Inbox. On *nix, one could use tiling WM and Claws to create nested layout. Or just use Thunderbird. Zimbra offers tabs out of the box. TheBat... As far as I can tell, tabs are not supported. Here is the ticket in Mantis, please feel free to upvote: https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1826 -- Cheers, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automatically stretch columns in the message list
Hello MFPA, Sunday, October 6, 2019, 3:41:41 AM, you wrote: >> Good to know... Here is the same image: >> https://i.imgur.com/nYgAZfH.png > If it's always about the same amount of space, you could alter the > column widths (or add extra columns to the display). I was looking for an option that specifically allows to flexibly resize application's main window. There is "switch to summary view", but that's not exactly the same as non-existent "keep columns ratio while resizing". I have created support ticket with Ritlabs on 10/06/2019, but no reply yet. Hopefully mr.Petrari has passed it to developers and they will consider it for v9.X branch. Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automatically stretch columns in the message list
Hello MFPA, Friday, October 4, 2019, 8:34:38 AM, you wrote: >> Is there a way to make column(s) automatically fill >> the horizontal >> space of the message list? > Not that I know of. Ok, created support request with Ritlabs... >> Please see the screenshot >> attached. > I'm not sure the list allows attachments. None received here. Good to know... Here is the same image: https://i.imgur.com/nYgAZfH.png Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Automatically stretch columns in the message list
Hello, Is there a way to make column(s) automatically fill the horizontal space of the message list? Please see the screenshot attached. -- Cheers, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: CTRL+Z
Hello MFPA, Friday, September 13, 2019, 4:16:03 AM, you wrote: > Immediately after deleting several messages one at a time, I would > expect Ctrl+Z to restore the last one deleted, then another Ctrl+Z to > restore the previous one deleted, and so on until no further actions > are stored to undo. Telepathy in action; exactly my thoughts. Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: CTRL+Z
Hello MFPA, Thursday, September 12, 2019, 3:59:15 AM, you wrote: > The browse deleted messages and undelete function is neat. But not so > intuitive as a simple CTRL+Z. Precisely! Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: CTRL+Z
Hello MAU, Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 1:28:03 AM, you wrote: > Hello Andrew, >> CTRL-Z is a mnemonic for "Undo". I was expecting that it would undo >> the deletion and move message back to where it was. > And it works as such when you are in the Editor window. > When you delete a message, at least with POP accounts (don't know > about IMAP) it is actually just "marked for deletion" and it is not > moved to Trash. When you delete messages in a folder, you can actually > see them if you select "Folder/Browse deleted messages" from the > main menu. Then, deleted messages (marked for deletion) are displayed > with a "strike through" line. You can then select any of them and > click 'Undelete' from the right click context menu. Interesting, didn't know such function exists. Executed on "Inbox" with a multitude of subfolders, it shows messages from the root _and_ all child nodes. Is it possible to restrict it to currently selected folder only? I use POP3 if it matters. Cheers, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: CTRL+Z
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 8:19:15 PM, you wrote: > Hello Andrew, > On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 20:14:01 +0930 GMT (10-Sep-19, 17:44 +0700 GMT), > Andrew Savchenko wrote: >> Hi, >> Is that something weird on my end or TheBat! does not support CTRL+Z >> for deleted messages?.. Deleted as moved into "Trash", not wiped. > I use the DEL key for that. Only one key instead of a key-combo. CTRL-Z is a mnemonic for "Undo". I was expecting that it would undo the deletion and move message back to where it was. Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
CTRL+Z
Hi, Is that something weird on my end or TheBat! does not support CTRL+Z for deleted messages?.. Deleted as moved into "Trash", not wiped. Thanks. Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sig cutoff
Hello Jack, Sunday, September 1, 2019, 8:39:48 AM, you wrote: > I just noticed that the sig cutoff "-- " doesn't seem to work when I reply, or > maybe I am not understanding what it's for. I am admittedly late to the party, but... How do you turn on the signature cut-off? :) Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TheBat! development pace, RitLabs support, Bugs.
Hello All, I am evaluating TheBat for a bit more than a week and, so far, have mixed feelings. While software certainly has a sheer amount of user-exposed functions and allows fair amount of adaption for a particular workflow, there are bugs that make me question QC process at RitLabs. Concerning the latter, reading "Credits" dialog, company seems to consist of /approximately/ 5 people: > Analytics, Testing and Support: > Alexandr Petrari, Julia Buzmacova, Ecaterina Dubceac. > Programming (version 8): Maxim Masiutin, Andrei Sliusarenco. 2 developers, 3 in operations. Ok, no panic, please. They've been in business when some of the fellow members were still attending a high school. However, certain issues make me wonder about priorities. Some examples: 0001793: Message corruption if private key is not available for automatic decryption 0001794: Having space before ">" symbol prevents TheBat from recognizing line as the quote 0001795: Signature is stripped after "Decrypt message" action 0001799: TheBat! does not work with GnuPG keychain 0001792: Do not add "(decrypted)" to the subject line Numbers are from the Mantis tracker. And this is after a week of usage. I understand that development team (two developers?) are busy shipping the version 9, but some of the reported bugs might belong to the "showstopper" category and others, like #1792 or #1794 should be fairly trivial to fix. Therefore, my questions are: 1. Is there a model of community engagement and some transparency to the development process? Mantis looks almost completely abandoned. Another user responds at https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1798#c5381, "That is a missing feature since many many years" and this passage receives zero feedback from "Analytics, Testing and Support". 2. Does anyones have a reliable communication channel with the office in Chisinau? 3. If the answer to the question directly above is "Yes", - have you been successful in having a chat with mr.Masiutin regarding the future? I would _love_ to see TheBat! as the successful MUA and willing to tolerate its commercial nature, but it implies having reliable support from the company that stands by their own product. Otherwise, safer bet would be to go with the OpenSource solutions (Claws, Thunderbird, etc) where community is active, developers are within the reach and fixing the bug can be achieved by either helping others or submitting a pull request by oneself. Yours truly, A Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP - Folder [specified folder within my file tree] has empty IMAP name
Hi, All, So, I just did a computer upgrade that involved re-installing TheBat!, and I'm getting this error every time the clint polls for new messages: !1/9/2018, 20:07:51: IMAP - Folder \\jsh...@leviathanstudios.com\[Gmail]\Mailing Lists\Comics\ has empty IMAP name How do I fix this? -- Jonathan Andrew Sheen http://www.leviathanstudios.com Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.) jsh...@leviathanstudios.com "What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!" -Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01 --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP ERROR "IMAP - Folder \ has empty IMAP name"
Hi, All, I'm getting repeated error messages that make working in TheBat! unworkable: IMAP ERROR "IMAP - Folder \ has empty IMAP name" What do I do? -- Jonathan Andrew Sheen http://www.leviathanstudios.com Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.) jsh...@leviathanstudios.com "What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!" -Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01 Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Nameless/Nonexistent Mailboxes causing trouble.
Hello All, The other day, my PC shut down on its own, and since then, I've had two mailboxes with no names and no content, which cause errors every few seconds. Here's a sample of the error: !7/31/2016, 14:50:42: IMAP - Folder \\jsh...@leviathanstudios.com\[Gmail]\Mailing Lists\Comics\ has empty IMAP name I've tried to delete the nonexistent mailboxes, but they don't delete, and many more errors are generated. Any suggestions? -- Jonathan Andrew Sheen http://www.leviathanstudios.com Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.) jsh...@leviathanstudios.com "What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!" -Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01 Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Like a revenant from a decade ago.... Quick Search in the middle of Message List
Hello all, Somehow a little "Quick Search" text box has shown up over the middle of the "Message List" pane. (Did I try to type while I had that pane in focus? Possibly.) The problem is that I can't get rid of it! The Quick Search window can't be dragged using the left or right mouse button. Workspace | Toolbars | uncheck "Quick Search" gets rid of the Quick Search toolbar above the message list pane, but not the text box over the Message List. Putting a cursor into the text box and hitting "Escape" closes The BAT! Googling for the problem, I found this thread on this list from 2006, seen at the link below. I see no sign that the OP's problem was solved. https://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl%40thebat.dutaint.com/msg89511.html Can anybody help me get rid of this? -- Jonathan Andrew Sheen http://www.leviathanstudios.com Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.) jsh...@leviathanstudios.com "What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!" -Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01 Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Incoming mail size?
I believe that should be read as Receive only header if message size is greater than... IOW don't pull down really big messages unless I say to. I still have this set to 5MB from the days I was getting by on 1GB/no at one location. There's an analogous setting in most smartphone apps so you don't get monstrous emails downloading over the mobile network. =aw but it's not clear to me what that option really means. Receive header only if message size is greater than... seems to imply that a message header (what's a message header?) will never be received if it doesn't meet a certain size requirement. And then what happens if that option is not ticked as in my case? Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Possible to copy filters to another account?
I have a lot of filters for incoming mail (each pretty much just filters into a folder). I'm recreating the folder structure in another account, and would like to have the appropriate filters in that account too. Is there a way to copy them to another, rather than having to recreate each in turn? Thanks! - - Andrew mailto:aweb...@wwwebbers.com Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Cache
Monday, November 8, 2010, 1:57:37 PM, you wrote: It wasn't one file, it were over fifty-thousand files. The path to my mail directory is F:\TB and there's a subdirectory called 'cache'. There were all those files, meanwhile deleted. I don't have a folder cache in the hierarchy of my The Bat! messages. Should I be worried? I don't see a separate entry for cache location under Options | Preferences. Thanks! -- Andrewmailto:aweb...@wwwebbers.com Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Cache
Saturday, November 13, 2010, 8:54:46 PM, you wrote: Here is the location of my cache - I have Windows 7 Home Premium, 32-bit: E:\My Documents\The Bat\cache Of course, my mail is also stored in E:\My Documents\The Bat Thank you Bob and Rick, Windows 7 Pro 32-bit, my path is C:\Users\[username]\Documents\The Bat\ and the only folders that don't match a mail account are dictionaries and Speller -- Andrewmailto:aweb...@wwwebbers.com Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: All The Bat! files disappeared?
Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 12:46:52 PM, you wrote: Dragging the folder back up to its proper level should put things back as theyy were before the move, but you may find that initially all the sub-folders seem to be empty. I had that experience when I copied my installation from one machine to another. However I discovered that when I clicked on any of the empty folders, it immediately was re-populated. Apparently there are internal indexes that don't get built when moving the mail system, but do get built on the first attempt to access the folder. It was quite disconcerting at first, but all turned out well once I had found out how to trigger the rebuilding action! One caution: instead of deleting the present top-level structure, I would simply rename it to something like My Doicuments\tb.new so that you don't lose the messages that it contains. You can them import them back into their rightful locations after restoring the original files. Thanks, all seems well again. I haven't imported the very few messages downloaded before I noticed the problem, but I did copy the folder for that purpose. =aw Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folders on disk, missing from TB!
Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 4:03:53 AM, you wrote: On Wednesday 9 December 2009 at 3:22:07 AM, in mid:991923889.20091208222...@wwwebbers.com, Andrew Webber wrote: Folder X has MESSAGES.TBB = 43 KB, MESSAGES.TBI = 18 KB Folder Y has MESSAGES.TBB = 3968 KB, MESSAGES.TBI = 316 KB Folder Z has MESSAGES.TBB = 84 KB, MESSAGES.TBI = 24 KB Is there anything else I can do to have The Bat! find these? What happens if you just create a new Folder Y from within TB! (and make sure it points to the same path as the old one if not using default as the directory path for all folders)? The newly re-created Folder Y should contain the existing messagebase, although I can't remember if you need to close and re-start TB! for it to find it. Thanks for the suggestion. I tried that and got this message: The directory specified seems to be already used by another folder. Do you still want to use this directory?. I expect that's okay but I wanted to make sure TB! wasn't going to blow away what's there. Should I say yes? Thanks! -- Andrewmailto:aweb...@wwwebbers.com Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folders on disk, missing from TB!
MFPA, Thursday, December 10, 2009, 5:14:42 PM, you wrote: On Thursday 10 December 2009 at 7:22:43 PM, in mid:403104275.20091210142...@wwwebbers.com, Andrew Webber wrote: Thanks for the suggestion. I tried that and got this message: The directory specified seems to be already used by another folder. Do you still want to use this directory?. I expect that's okay but I wanted to make sure TB! wasn't going to blow away what's there. Should I say yes? Just in case, make a copy of the files from the relevant folder first. I'm confident there will be no issues with saying yes but I don't want you to lose any data by following my advice. (-; Thanks. I did that I there are the emails (I assume it's all of them, but even if not it's definitely a bunch that end the day before my new folder started). So it did work. I appreciate the help. :) =aw Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Folders on disk, missing from TB!
The Bat! Professional v4.0.38, Windows 7, no encryption since it cause me so much trouble before and turned out not to be secure anyway (when I restored from a backup of the encrypted install, no password needed to reveal everything!). Some folders seem to be disappearing and I don't know why. To cite one example I'm sure of, in Windows Explorer I can see folder X with sub-folders Y and Z. In The Bat! I can only see X and Z. I've done CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-L from the account's Inbox, from X, and from Z. In every case I get 0 lost folders found. Z didn't even exist before, I had X and Y and when Y disappeared, I thought I deleted it (Y) by accident so I created Z. Folder X has MESSAGES.TBB = 43 KB, MESSAGES.TBI = 18 KB Folder Y has MESSAGES.TBB = 3968 KB, MESSAGES.TBI = 316 KB Folder Z has MESSAGES.TBB = 84 KB, MESSAGES.TBI = 24 KB Is there anything else I can do to have The Bat! find these? Thanks! -- Andrew mailto:aweb...@wwwebbers.com Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Firefox and The Bat! (for mailto:)
Hello, I'm having a problem with mailto: links in Firefox. Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.3, The Bat! 4.0.38 I'm sure this used to work properly, but now when I click on a mailto: URL in Firefox, Windows starts installing MS Outlook instead of launching The Bat!. I went into Tools | Options and searched for mailto. The possible actions are: -- Use Microsoft Office Outlook (default) -- Use Yahoo! Mail -- Use Gmail -- Use other I suppose I could choose the last option and point to The Bat!, but before I do, I'm wondering why this is happening. On the Start menu, The Bat! is the email program (2nd item, left side). In IE7, The Bat! is the email program. I also don't get The Bat! as an option under Control Panel | Set my default email program (in that case, I get Outlook, Outlook Express, and Forte Agent). What's the best way to get this to work in Firefox? Thanks! -- Andrew mailto:aweb...@wwwebbers.com Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Firefox and The Bat! (for mailto:)
Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 2:12:20 PM, I wrote: Hello, I'm having a problem with mailto: links in Firefox. Windows XP, Firefox 3.5.3, The Bat! 4.0.38 I'm sure this used to work properly, but now when I click on a mailto: URL in Firefox, Windows starts installing MS Outlook instead of launching The Bat!. I went into Tools | Options and searched for mailto. The possible actions are: -- Use Microsoft Office Outlook (default) -- Use Yahoo! Mail -- Use Gmail -- Use other I suppose I could choose the last option and point to The Bat!, but before I do, I'm wondering why this is happening. On the Start menu, The Bat! is the email program (2nd item, left side). In IE7, The Bat! is the email program. I also don't get The Bat! as an option under Control Panel | Set my default email program (in that case, I get Outlook, Outlook Express, and Forte Agent). What's the best way to get this to work in Firefox? Sorry, one correction to what I wrote above. After I posted, I tried doing it in IE7, and though it says The Bat! is my email client, I still get Outlook 2007 Setup when I clicked on the mailto: link. -- Andrewmailto:aweb...@wwwebbers.com Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB 4.0.38: Corruption problems with mail folders
Thank you for the detailed answers Thomas, I have some follow-ups below -- Andrewmailto:aweb...@wwwebbers.com Sunday, August 2, 2009, 2:29:55 AM, you wrote: AW It may be that I never quite cleaned up the problem, I'm not sure. AW Typically when I ran the Maintenance Centre, it would find lots of AW errors in lots of folders, then I'd end up with empty folders. :( I AW guess I get part.bin files, though I haven't done anything with AW them. The problem with on-the-fly encryption (OTFE) is that you can't do anything with them. I have not managed to import or access the mails inside. So even if I'm running TB! with the same OTFE password, it won't let me import those renamed part.bin files!? I had inferred from RITL's answer that I could import them using the password. :( I certainly can't do anything with them using TextPad, which seems to be how the Help screens recommend. AW I've got several .TBK backups available, and I have 32 part.bin AW files in various folders. What's the best way to get the most files AW back? Uninstall TheBat! and reinstall as Plain. Do not use OTFE. If you now restore from backup, your mails will be there. If the manitenance center resilts in *.bin files, then you can rename these files to .EBB and import into TB!. All the .TBK backups were created with OTFE turned on. If I reinstall without OTFE, will I be able to restore from those existing .TBKs? Or are you suggesting specifically to do a backup _today_ without OTFE (after reinstalling) and then do the Maintenance Centre? Obviously, you would have to move them first, because the file names already exist in that folder. However, in my experience it does not work with OTFE, but they might have changed something in the meantime, so I suggest to try this first before you uninstall and reinstall. I will try doing the import from a renamed part.bin and see what happens. AW Does this seem reasonable? Will restoring from a backup overwrite AW what I already have Yes. Just to be entirely clear, it overwrites the emails that match, or clears out the folder and replaces with the contents of the backup? AW (if so, what do I do?)? I hope you leave messages on the server. I've started doing that but only recently. In fact, it shouldn't be happpening. I suggest you check your harddisk for mechanical failures, I think FDISK does the job but please wait for experts here to contradict me. I suspect you're right, I need to verify the HD as a precaution. Thanks again! =aw Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB 4.0.38: Corruption problems with mail folders
Hello, I've been using The Bat! for some time and have been having an ongoing problem with corrupted mail folders. (The Bat! v4.0.38, with on-the-fly encryption active.) It may be that I never quite cleaned up the problem, I'm not sure. Typically when I ran the Maintenance Centre, it would find lots of errors in lots of folders, then I'd end up with empty folders. :( I guess I get part.bin files, though I haven't done anything with them. Most recently I did a restore from a .TBK backup and appear to have restored some bad folders (I could see it happening, since I'm likely now to do a backup before messing around with my message base, yet I've got bad folders). I've got several .TBK backups available, and I have 32 part.bin files in various folders. What's the best way to get the most files back? I'm thinking I should restore all the backups, good and bad, then run Maintenance Centre again and let it purge the dupes and create yet more .bin files. Then, import from the .bin files (RIT told me to do that, though I'm not completely clear on the procedure since they said to rename as MESSAGES.TBB [presumably MESSAGES.EBB?] and import, though I guess not from their current folders). Does this seem reasonable? Will restoring from a backup overwrite what I already have (if so, what do I do?)? And is there a way to avoid this happening again and again? I'm not now sure whether everything was cleaned up once, then went bad again, or if I never really got the badness fixed. Thanks! -- Andrew mailto:aweb...@wwwebbers.com Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Change Defaults for Re-Filtering?
Is there anyplace -- even a registry entry or .ini file -- where I can change the defaults on the Re-Filter Messages command so that it does _NOT_ default to log results? -- Jonathan Andrew Sheen http://www.leviathanstudios.com Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.) jsh...@leviathanstudios.com What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker! -Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Finding forwards, replies
Hello Batfolk, I have a message I put into a subfolder. The icon shows I've forwarded it. Is there an easy way to have TB! find that forwarded message for me? Thanks for the help. -- Andrew Diederich Using Voyager v3.95.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Finding forwards, replies
Friday, June 1, 2007, 4:20:22 PM, you wrote: Hello Andrew, I have a message I put into a subfolder. The icon shows I've forwarded it. Is there an easy way to have TB! find that forwarded message for me? Try Ctrl+Backspace. While having the message selected, of course. That is a good chunk of what I need. It popped up the forwarded message from my sent folder. I've forwarded that message from sent, and with the sent message open in the view window, it didn't find the next forwarded message, though. Thanks for the tip! -- Andrew Diederich Using Voyager v3.95.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Synchronization in TB! 3.99.3 - Slow
Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 3:10:13 AM, you wrote: On Tuesday, May 15, 2007, 11:33:54 PM, Andrew Diederich wrote: How are you syncing between those two? For voyager I make a file backup to whatever my local computer is, in case I lose the usb drive. TB! support told be Tools Synchronize... was really for something else, and was going to be dropped. I hope it is not going to be dropped - I use it all the time! I use two computers, and I use Synchronize to ensure that the messagebase on my laptop matches the messagebase on my PC. It is usually just a one-way transfer across my network, from PC to Laptop - I use a shared folder on my PC to hold the synch files. Hmm, maybe you actually figured out how it worked. 'Way back in 3.80.06 I tried syncing my TB! and Voyager clients using Tools Synchronize... but it only nuked things in strange and interesting ways. Ritlabs support said this: ''' Well, not quite broken, but this feature became obsolete and sometimes does not do what it is expected to do. We plan to completely rework and simplify it in future. How soon we do not know. At present, as things are, we would suggest you to keep your e-mail on the server for a certain period of time and download them to both The Bat! and Voyager. It's under the Account/Properties/Mail management ''' I asked about syncing last August, you can see some of the thread at http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.the-bat.user/22786/match= -- Andrew Diederich Using Voyager v3.95.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Synchronization in TB! 3.99.3 - Slow
Tuesday, May 15, 2007, 3:38:45 PM, you wrote: I have just installed 3.99.3 and am doing my first synchonize between my PC and Laptop with this version. It is really slow, and eats resources. Has anyone else experienced this? Previous versions have been getting faster, so this appears to be a step backwards. How are you syncing between those two? For voyager I make a file backup to whatever my local computer is, in case I lose the usb drive. TB! support told be Tools Synchronize... was really for something else, and was going to be dropped. -- Andrew Diederich Using Voyager v3.95.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sorting office filter for GTD
Hello Batfolk, I'm trying to build a set of filters to better track emails I'm waiting to get an answer back. I currently have a folder @WAITING FOR that I copy things from my sent folder, or drag emails I've forwarded to someone else to work on (delegated). My idea is I'd put some text in the outgoing email, like WF:true either near the signature, or in a header. This would trip an outgoing filter and copy the item into my @WAITING FOR folder. The next bit is harder -- to match incoming emails to existing emails in my @WAITING FOR folder, say, on the subject line. Is there a way I can match the subject line to a list of emails in a specific folder? Or, maybe I do something different altogether, and put a :WF at the end of my email subjects, and match on that, thinking people don't usually change the subject lines of emails? (If an incoming email matches the filter I'd change the color, or something along those lines.) Thanks for the help. -- Andrew Diederich Using Voyager v3.95.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
