is open or
not.
What am I missing?
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use nearly
everyone uses iso-2022-jp, not UTF.
Anyway, EdMax and Datula work great with Japanese. I am using The
Bat because it's an interesting program, not because it's the most
practical for my real needs.
Still haven't solved the message checking problem, though.
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The Alley Oop comic series, which goes way back in time. The scientist
who created the time machine in that comic was Doc Wonmug (one mug,
ein stein, get it?).
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down the program. I tried exiting
and then restarting, and now it checks mail automatically just fine.
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Will do. I'll get back to you in another 36 hours or so. ^-^;
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in that time, though a few hundred for
sure. However, I'm dividing the load right now between The Bat! and
EdMax, with the latter getting mostly Japanese mail.
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Steve wrote...
SL On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 03:30:25PM +0900, John De Hoog wrote:
I tend to prefer the former approach, which is easy and more widely
used.
SL The problem is that it makes the assumption that if text is marked then
SL you want to use it for a reply. That is not the only
Thomas wrote...
This is what happens when I select a text portion and hit Shift-F4 --
no text gets quoted. What's it supposed to do??
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AM That'd be F4 or right-click on the message, go to specials and it's
AM there "reply quoting using selected text".
That's it, F4! Thanks! This is a fine solution, and another example of
how well thought out a program it is.
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check for mail.
And don't forget to restart your engine! g
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is supposed to
have better font support. But The Bat!, as you noted, does not seem to
have a way to change fonts outside the editor and viewer, such as
those in the header display.
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e in Japan
use Japanese Windows. But for programs that don't support
ISO-2022-JP encoding, you still need something like NJWin.
You are fortunate because The Bat! supports Chinese. I look forward
to Japanese support in the near future. Too optimistic? g
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akes sense are those who blindly quote the entire message.
And I'm not one of those, thank you. g
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, how to prevent it from going away?
Running systray.exe doesn't do it.)
Probably should have inserted some appropriate emoticons up there
somewhere, but what the hey, they don't call me old pokerface for
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having to recycle the program?
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we could read hundreds
of posts on Usenet, along with all the SPAM and flame wars.
Wonderful idea, that.
Which brings me to a question: Approximately how many registered
users of The Bat! are there?
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ese made
it round trip and is still readable (though not to most of our
readers; sorry about that).
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. At the same time,
Datula disables ActiveX or any other elements that might be
security problems, even in online mode.
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ther cause to
be ashamed of my Canadian passport.
Definitely not ready for prime time, but keep up the good fight
coercing it to handle DBCS properly, John.
==
So is there even a way to turn off the numbered Re: feature and just
have a plain Re: for all replies?
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So even if you do find such a comparison, it's probably best not to
give it too much credence. It all depends on which features you
yourself value or need.
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the
registry entries into a .reg file, run that at the new location, and
edit any file references to point to the correct drive. (Datula makes
that easier by including a "Backup registry" operation right from
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header, and (2) many do not display
Japanese properly even with NJWin. Pegasus, for example, leaves
patches of un-decoded Japanese. Someone reported that the latest
Eudora does not work at all with NJWin.
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ror to stop its routine.)
Isn't there a setting somewhere for how long to wait until timing
out when the server won't respond? What puzzles me is why a program
so far along in development doesn't know enough to give up and try
again later. Or is it just my ignorance again?
and will never work.
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ignoring a thread. Having to create a subject filter for each
wandering thread is overkill, wrong tool for job, you get the
picture.
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Windows NT 4 Build 1381
reported earlier. If a server is unreachable,
The Bat! stays in the same Accessing mode and does not stop until
you press Cancel. After you cancel, it won't resume auto-checking
again until you restart the program.
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there now.
http://dehoog.org/html/thebat.html
Please comment, especially if you find any inaccuracies, so I can
improve this page. Thank you.
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those things are in the
review. g
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ime with the wording changed
to "it has some features not found in any of the other programs
reviewed on these pages".
I also added a reference to the kill filtering options and made a
couple of other minor changes.
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Hello, Gothamites,
John De Hoog wrote...
JDH I'm thinking of changing all the charts, putting in
JDH more description instead of just "yes" or "no"
I've now done exactly that for The Bat! page only; the rest will
follow in due time.
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impinges on another. I only noticed this after
setting the dialup monitor to Always hide.
As a result, I'm back to Datula at this location. :-( (But at least
that gives me real Japanese support and automatic news group checking
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. For example, if you were using only two or three
initials as the quoted name, then you could specify four characters
as the limit to regard a as a quote marker.
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The Bat! 1.41 Beta/3
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er filters are working fine.
HM My The Bat is 1.39 ( reg )
This is a bug. If the name has a " " around it, the filter will not
work. Edit it to remove the " " or just leave the address without
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The Bat! 1.41 B
delimiter, with mail on this list being the main
exception. So for most users it does make sense to allow this
feature to be adjusted.
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The Bat! 1.41 Beta/3
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45 hours ago makes The Bat! unusable in this particular environment
(my office, where fortunately I only go two days a week), since I
can't afford to reboot my system every few hours in the middle of a
big job. This is one bug that must not be allowed to carry over to
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to a different volume than the one The Bat! is on, as
generational archives.
(So far no dial-up problems today; knock on wood.)
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well for showing Japanese messages
on The Bat! Ver. 1.80 and later do not work at all, although
NJStar are working on the problem. I also tried NJWin on Poco,
Pegasus, Calpyso and other programs, but The Bat! gives by far the
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http
appearing
in the other headers (?). The problem right now is that these lists
have to be inserted separately for each account. I would like to be
able to create a global list applicable to all accounts.
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found that their mail was getting killed by the
SPAM filters I was using at the time, which killed this line:
Received: from unknown
It turns out this kind of header can occur even in non-SPAM mail
depending on the server configuration.
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sages when they go to a folder, not old ones. If that option is
not available now, it ought to be made available in a new version.
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it comes to
keyboard navigation to new articles. If you don't see this, then
maybe the developers will open their eyes to it, at least.
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dude; it's just a piece of software.)
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where whining pricks like yourselve can bitch and moan to one
SL another about how the software doesn't suck you off quite the right way.
I still want it. ^-^;
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time.**
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that a few programs have made on the Agent
navigation scheme is to start the search back from the top of the
tree when no more unread messages exist below the current
location. Other than that, it's perfect. Just emulate it!
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about naturally,
because they decided to allow for complete keyboard-based
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to each one is to open the folder, open the
threads, and find each unread article manually or with that awkward
CTRL + ]. This is not a good interface if you like to thread
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In any case, I'm really asking for flexibility here, rather than
insisting there can only be one logical way to approach folder
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Archive account, as was
suggested earlier, and making sure its folders never get purged.
Among newsreaders, XNews and News Rover have simple archiving features. In
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e of years to check
through millions of words of work-related stuff on my hard drives,
including mail archives of course.
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from being
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it works?
The present kill filter options are Originator, Subject, and
Routing. I'm surprised there is no To: option. Better yet, let the
user specify the header in filter arguments. And make it global, not
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something I've already typed, I want the text to wrap correctly by
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right now, EdMax, has a decent editor but even it
requires that you invoke reformatting on occasion. It and Datula,
however, have hooks to an external editor of your choice, which is nice
if you happen to discover a perfect editor for mail.
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Japanese
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e approved hardware list for Win2K.)
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their language
of choice instead of the built-in editor, which is not geared to
Japanese use.
My conclusion for now is, I'll continue using a Japanese mailer until
TB2 delivers true two-byte language compatibility.
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be set with different code
pages per application, allowing me to use it for The Bat! without
compromising other applications that don't need it. Great!
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Ritlabs continues to allow curmudgeons to make its design decisions, The
Bat! will always be second or third tier.
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such a function. Ordinary users don't oppose it.
Ritlabs needs to listen to ordinary users, else it will find itself with
a shrinking piece of a growing pie.
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to taking that measure. And only those who are
conscientious enough to wade through the thickets of this news group are
going to know about it anyway; most people won't think of this idea on
their own.
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phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BTW-I don't see you in there. As of 9-DEC-1999
Yeah, I come and stay just long enough to see what the cray-zees are up
to. \^^/
Get a life, dude.
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to scroll down a little
(mouse is good here) to see if there is anything new? :-)
Keyboard: Good
Mouse: Bad!
A little effort by programmers: Good
A little effort by users: Bad!
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, such
as scoring.
I agree that it would be better to pour current resources into making
the mailer truly great instead of just near-great.
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an English
or other language version soon, if ever.)
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To send
). So why does The Bat!
support Shift-JIS but not the other encodings? Or is there some way to
get The Bat! to decode those messages? I don't think it's possible
with XLAT tables.
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Using The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600
. ^^;
(On this particular issue, I very much like the way TB! places its
citation markers, refusing to clutter up blank lines with them.)
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Using The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1
I'm surprised the mailing list itself lets attachments go through.
Isn't that kind of odd, and something that ought to be prevented?
(I'm going to be unsubscribing until it is fixed, in any case.)
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the
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as well, let alone a virus.
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or so. (I hope I haven't
exceeded the limit already with this one!)
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program, I'd
love to hear about it.
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to see this approach implemented in a mail client.
(There was one program, in Japanese, called CatMail that did this, but
it is no longer available.)
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and report, download and delete, ignore).
Others swear by their favorite programs, however, and that's fine.
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their systems with Zone Alarm, which causes many more
troubles than it could possibly solve.
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behavior, thereby causing unnecessary alarm and wasting time.
The main trouble it causes is that some programs don't work properly
when Zone Alarm is installed, at least without making certain changes.
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.
As for outgoing connections, I don't want to stop them entirely, not
when it is at the expense of running useful programs like
Website-Watcher.
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, but many of the fears he raises are unfounded, I believe.
And his reliance on Zone Alarm seems odd to me. It's good to see him
challenged once in a while, rather than assuming he really is the
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...
Then let me start a new thread that is about The Bat!, repeating the
question I raised in the Dead Thread.
Has a Trojan or other nasty program been devised that can
automatically send mail to people in your Bat address book, or is
that problem limited to Outlook?
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, unfortunately.
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as a dedicated news
reader like News Rover.
As a specific statement about News Rover, I believe there is no other
program currently available that provides similar functionality, such
as its auto-scan feature and RAR/PAR handling.
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Dierk Haasis wrote...
Are you missing anything in the current version?
Japanese! Unicode! Please!!
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even have a sig delimiter.
Not to mention that the message still has the following headers from the
thread it stole, only minutes after a warning about that very practice.
**In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
**References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Then when you start a new message while you are in this folder, that
address will automatically show up in the To: header.
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John De Hoog
http://dehoog.org
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features, so I don't understand the
objections to such an innocuous, easy-to-implement feature.
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