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On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 at 14:14:12 -0500 Spike wrote: Can someone explain this to me, as I am getting HUNDREDS`of them or similar. It's spam. I don't seem to have a font that will display them (Netscape says I need a Chinese font, when I try to load the HTML component) Yes, it's in Chinese. To be precise, it's in Traditional Chinese (if you know what that means), using an encoding called big5. I apologize for my bad-behaving country fellows. (Taiwan isn't the only country using big5 encoding, but the spammer is from Taiwan, judging from the content; hence my apology.) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 | WinXP SP-1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrading OS, adding a drive and downloading the latest Bat.
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 at 16:23:13 -0500 David R. Austen wrote: I am contemplating the following strategy: Have a new hard disk installed (it would be D:) and use that new drive as the default drive and boot XP each time. My existing software would remain on the C drive, unless and until I decide on the migration of some software. Eventually I would remove the OS from that C drive. I used similar arrangements on my machines for several years, either out of the necessity to have two systems available or as a intermediate state when upgrading. Just be careful not to delete those critical XP system files on C (in the root directory) when removing Win98. IOW, don't boot from a DOS floppy and reformat drive C (I believe you can't do that when in XP, so you're safe there). That's the only thing I don't like about this approach: WinXP (NT, 2K) needs to put some system files on drive C. It makes backing up the system a little more tricky. Are you on TBOT? Please reply there if you want to continue on this, since this is really OT. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 | WinXP SP-1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrading OS, adding a drive and downloading the latest Bat.
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 at 16:12:24 -0600 Joseph N. wrote: DRA My existing software would remain on the C drive, unless and until DRA I decide on the migration of some software. Eventually I would DRA remove the OS from that C drive. I think that approach, while it would work, has a specific risk and misses a specific opportunity. I'm not a pro in this field, but from my user's perspective, it is best to boot a Windows machine from the C: drive. That is what the OS expects, so that is where it looks for drivers, etc. I'm no expert either, but my experience (and as I told David, I did this all the time) shows that Win NT/2k/XP don't don't foolishly assume its system to be on drive C. Especially after Win2k, it handles dual-boot system pretty well. Some APPs do make foolish assumptions, but they're getting rarer by the day, I believe. I think you'd contain your risk now and into the future, and comply with the various programmers' expectations, by doing the following: Purchase a disk ghosting/imaging software (like Norton Ghost or the main competitor, whose name I cannot recall right now); DriveImage, I believe. And there's shareware/freeware. install and format a new D: drive; defrag and scandisk your c: drive; ghost the image of the entire c: drive to the d: drive; then format the c: drive and install XP. This is good if you don't really need to go back and forth between two systems during the transition. You see, leaving Win98 as it is may be more than just keeping a safe backup plan (in case WinXP fails). The transition could take weeks, or even months, that keeping the old system as it is provides many advantages. Of course, it all depends on how you like to proceed with the upgrade. There's no one-size-fits-all answer for this, IMHO. Are you on TBOT? Please follow up there if you want to continue. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 | WinXP SP-1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Prohibit Attachments?
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 at 15:02:53 + Barry Higginbottom wrote: I don't know how but I've managed to set one of my accounts to prohibit attachments. I don't know how, either, if there's a way. I can send fine from my other account (different email address but same ISP) Maybe the file you're trying to attach is currently open (in use by another program) and TB couldn't access it. It should be easy to check by trying another file. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 | WinXP SP-1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Prohibit Attachments?
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 at 17:29:32 + Barry Higginbottom wrote: Error Message--- Message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], subject subject text, cannot be sent because attachments are prohibited for this account End of Error Message Ah-ha, the error message prompted to check Network Administration under the Options menu. Under the Privileges pane, if an account is defined as a user (rather than an administrator), his/her ability to send attachment can be disabled. I should have thought of it earlier. I'm getting rusty, the result of many months away from the TB lists. :-( -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 | WinXP SP-1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on cc: field
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 at 22:06:29 +0700 Thomas Fernandez wrote: Is it correct that there is no way to filter on the cc: field? (For example, to archive mail in which 'A' is in the TO: field and there are no CC: recipients, but not to archive mail in which 'A' is in the CC: field or there are other CC: recipients.) ^TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Presence: Yes Location: Kludges I'm not sure this does what Joseph wants (if I understand him correctly). It tests the presence of the a certain address appearing in the TO field, but doesn't preclude those with CC recipients. For that purpose, a second condition has to be added: ^CC Presence: No Location: Kludges -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 | WinXP SP-1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative Forwarding and .msg files
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 at 17:06:53 + (GMT) Richard Evans wrote: Is it possible to use the Alternative Forward method only for selected contacts in my address book ? By alternative forward I guess you mean not to use MIME standard for forwarding, right? (From your description, you use MIME forwarding by default, though that's not TB's default setting.) As the setting is a per-account setting, I guess there's no way to get around it for a specific contact other that setting up another account (in TB) for that purpose. (I might be wrong, since I've been away from TBUDL for so long, my knowledge is definitely outdated.) Should I be right, the simple way is to set up an address book entry for that recipient, and define a special forward template for it (use %TEXT or %QUOTE to quote the original message text). It's not exactly elegant, for the use MIME... setting at the account level is still in effect, so the recipient will get the forwarded content both in the message body and as an .msg attachment. But at least it gets the job done. If there's a more elegant solution, I'm sure the more experienced people will jump in soon. :-) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 | WinXP SP-1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filtering on cc: field
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 at 09:48:17 +0700 Thomas Fernandez wrote: ^CC Presence: No Location: Kludges I was thinking about that. But, if the address is in the TO field, my filter will be triggerd. If it is not in the TO field (i.e. only in the CC field), my filter will not recognise the address, so it will not be trigged. when you put your addage under AND, the filter not betriggered if the address is in both TO and CC. But how probable is such a situation? ;-) I think one of us misunderstood what Joseph wanted. It might well be me, but I'm not ready to concede yet. :-) Quoting from the original message which started this thread: to archive mail in which 'A' is in the TO: field and there are no CC: recipients, but not to archive mail in which 'A' is in the CC: field or there are other CC: recipients. See? What he wanted to exclude (not triggering the filter) are: 1. A in TO but there are CC recipients. 2. A in CC. Your filter will be falsely triggered by messages matching condition 1. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 | WinXP SP-1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Hello to old friends and new
Dear friends on TBUDL, TBBETA, and TBTECH, (Sorry to those on several lists for cross-posting.) It's taken much longer than I expected, but I've finally finished my study in the States and come back to Taiwan. After more or less settling down in my new life (it took a while to get used to the traffic here), it's about time to visit my old friends in cyberspace. How's everyone? I miss you all! My new job is extremely demanding, so I might not be able to be as active as I used to be or as I want to. Still, I look forward to talking to you all. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Search for No Sender messages
On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 at 20:12:36 +0400 jlaikan wrote: I don't really need the feature I mentioned. I posted the message was for 2 reasons:- 1) I have read in this list that someone proposed to stop spam by setting filters to automatically deleted messages with No Sender. As you've known, you can do that with filters. You don't have to delete/move them if you don't want to. You may assign them a color group so you can easily tell them apart. Also, you may search across folders/accounts for all messages with a certain color. 2) I wanted to see how far I could push the Bat! Well, now you know one of its limitations. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spell Checker (was Re: From WIN 95 to Win2K)
On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 at 10:42:36 -0400 dMb wrote: I'm happy to report that moving from my Win 95 to Win2k machine was very easy. Good. All I did was back up the registry settings and then copied the entire TB! directory structure onto a zip disk. Insert zip disk into new machine, copy to same directory structure and restore the registry settings. Wait a minute. You didn't mention installing TB on the new machine. Did you do that? Or did you just copy the whole thing (program and mail base) over? The difference? Upon installation, TB make changes/additions to the registry. Most, *but not all*, of them are under the HKCU...\RIT tree, as explained several times on the list. Those not under the tree are not user-specific or system-specific, so there's no need to move those settings when you move a TB configuration from one machine to another. But that doesn't mean you don't need those settings. If you haven't installed TB on the new machine, therefore, it's wise to do it now. The only thing that has stopped working is the spell checker. I'm not sure it's related to what's said above. Why don't you try it (unless you've installed TB; just didn't mention it) and see if it helps. Or see if others have better clues. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment
On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 at 16:55:12 -0400 Tim Musson wrote: ML even when the number of messages to download is large, I don't ML always see temp files created. One question, what dir are you monitoring? You say the "temp" dir, but which "temp" dir? I guess you didn't follow the other thread that prompted me to do the experiment. As I have explained to Marck, I do know where the temp dir is. I set it up manually (I'm not using the system default). It's neither C:\temp nor one under the [documents and settings], but rather one I designated. And yes, I'm very sure. I know there're 4 temp dir settings, and I've hand-set all of them. The fact that I do sometimes see TB temp files created in the temp dir, as quoted above, should be enough proof that I was watching the right dir. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 at 09:23:24 -0700 Ming-Li wrote: I'll get a real-time monitoring tool to try again. Ok, I installed a real-time file activity monitor (freeware) from System Internals, and indeed for every received message there's a temp file created in the temp dir. They're all closed and killed within a few seconds (no wonder the once-per-min. snapshots missed most of them). The question remains, why are there so many temp files that are left in the temp dir and not deleted for so many of you. As Thomas said, without source codes, we can only speculate. And I'm frankly out of ideas. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Spell Checker (was Re: From WIN 95 to Win2K)
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 at 09:17:33 -0700 Nick Andriash wrote: The difference? Upon installation, TB make changes/additions to the registry. Most, *but not all*, of them are under the HKCU...\RIT tree, as explained several times on the list. Yes, but he did mention that he restored the Registry entries. Yes, but what did he restore? The registry export/saving technics commonly taught on the list is only about the branch under [HKCU...\RIT], or at most with the addition of the now defunct [HKLM...\RIT] tree. Upon installation, TB makes registry additions/changes beyond those places. That's what I was talking about. Missing those settings probably won't have any effect on TB's regular operation, but might be the source of such problems like "can't launch TB when clicking on a mailto link in the browser" or "no action when clicking on a .eml file", etc. The registry settings TB amends during installation include: * additional file classes (including protocol classes) * redefine some existing file classes and/or their associated actions * registering TB as a system-wide (and default) email client These settings won't be ported over if you simply save the [HKCU...\RIT] tree and imported into another machine. Now, TB may have builtin checking routine that would check those settings when you launch it, but I don't know how complete it is. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 at 10:29:14 +0800 Thomas wrote: This is indeed methodical, Not really, because I didn't set out to try all functions of TB. I just did what I usually do. I also said it's not scientific because I knew it's not real-time monitoring, but infrequent snapshots (1 min. interval may be frequent enough for human activities, but not for computers). and must have created a rather large log file which you had to read through after those over two hours. ;-) Not really, either. TB's temp file follows a certain naming rule (BAT*.tmp), which is easy to search in an editor. I stopped the experiment around 7:30 this morning, about 24 hours after it began. The log is about 2.4 MB, 66 thousand lines, and it logged a total of 7 BAT temp files. All of them have been deleted automatically by TB, even though I haven't closed it since yesterday. When you download new mail, I understand these messages will be downloaded to the temp dir first, then "imported" (some, including myself, have already seen the cycle "importing messages" from TB, and the occasional hang at that point), and if the import action is successful, the files will be deleted from temp. I'm not sure exactly how this works. I watched closely at the temp dir when downloading mail, but even when the number of messages to download is large, I don't always see temp files created. It's possible they're deleted too soon for my explorer to refresh its display. I'll get a real-time monitoring tool to try again. This is what you have missed. If there is any doubt about whether the "import" was successful, TB will not delete the files in the temp dir, giving you a chance to find out whether the error might have to do with them. This seems plausible. Yet then it begs two questions: 1. why are there many leftovers (undeleted temp files) for so many users? My experience (very rarely has TB left anything in my temp dir) should be the norm, but it clearly is not given the testimonies by others on the other thread. It's hard to imagine they're experiencing so many failed imports, since it's not related to the outside connection (the message has been downloaded and saved as a temp file on your HD, but somehow TB fails to import it into TB). 2. why are there so many 0-byte temp files (for many others, not me)? As I speculated earlier, it could be due to incomplete deletion, but why? Well, since it doesn't affect me, I'm not sure why I'm pursuing this. Kind of foolish, ain't I? :-) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Deleting messages
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 at 03:11:54 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. I have a mailing list that is cumulating over 4,000 messages. I decided to delete them since I don't have time to read them. It took over 10 minutes on my slow p133. If you're deleting all messages in a folder, several ways would generate faster result: 1. select the folder in the account tree pane, and hit DEL. TB would prompt you to either "delete to trash", "wipe", or "leave message base intact". The first option would take a little longer, but still significantly shorter than what you did. The last two options are instant. 2. use the "Empty" command from the Folder menu. It still move files to the recycle bin, but is still much faster. On my 200MHz machine, deleting all messages in folder with 5300+ messages took me 1:20, while emptying it took 50 sec. Mark and delete is the slowest, because not only it has to move messages to the trash folder, but also it works on one message at a time. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Purging, was:: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 at 11:23:03 -0500 Dwight A Corrin wrote:
When you delete a message from a folder, it is not really
removed: it is only taken out of the folder's index file (*.tbi).
When you purge, it is really deleted. But you also need to
compress from time and time: remove old entries (messages) from
the messge database (*.tbb).
I have been compressing, which seems to purge. Today I tried purging,
which seems to compress. They appear to be redundant processes.
No, as Karin put it, purge and compress are two different things.
It's just in TB you can't do Purging without compression. The "Purge
all folders" command under the Folder menu does do compression,
which should be renamed to "Purge AND COMPRESS all folders". The one
for a single folder ("Purge and Compress") is clear.
The Compress and Compress All Folders commands, OTOH, don't purge.
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Ming-Li
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Re: Purging, was:: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 at 16:40:43 -0500 Dwight A Corrin wrote: It seems that when I compress all folders, it purges. I went back to look at the explanation Karin gave you, and found what caused the confusion. I'm also at fault, of course, since I endorsed what she said without thinking. I guess she was lacking caffeine, and I simply had a bad day though it was only morning. Now, Karin's explanation is still a good place to start: KS When you delete a message from a folder, it is not really KS removed: it is only taken out of the folder's index file KS (*.tbi). This is almost right, except the index entry isn't really "taken out". It's marked as deleted. That's why you can "browse deleted messages", which would be much harder to do if the index entries no longer exist. KS When you purge, it is really deleted. Here, "purge" should be "compress". (In dBase/Clipper terminology, it's "pack".) What does "purging" do, then? It means deleting old messages according to a set criteria. If you have experience with higher-end newsreader, you should have no trouble with this concept. In TB, the criteria is set on a folder-by-folder basis (try Folder | Properties). If you set a folder to keep no a maximum of 100 messages, e.g., then when you purge it TB would delete all messages but the newest 100. When purging, TB delete them in its usual way--marking them as deleted in the index file (.tbi), but not removing them physically from the message base file (.tbb). Yet, as I said earlier, purging in TB is always followed by compression (either on all folder or a single one). The reverse isn't true. Hope that is clear enough. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: newbie thinking about moving from Eudora 4.3.2.
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 at 13:11:40 -0400 Gen Kanai wrote: I've just started evaluating The Bat 1.51 after 5 years with Eudora and I'm both impressed and bewildered at the same time. Welcome aboard. I'm looking for a manual or for more help on documentation and while I have read the FAQ, it doesn't seem to cover a lot of basic features. Sorry for asking the obvious: have you tried the help file? TheBat's English help file is seriously outdated and has been heavily criticized, but it does cover most of the basic stuff. It's not comprehensive enough, and probably won't be until v2 is out, but it's still a good start. (If you read German, people say the German help file is very good.) Then, as Nick said, just shoot your question here. This list is a very active mutual support community, and rarely a question would go unanswered (unless truly no one knows the answer). -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: From WIN 95 to Win2K
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 at 09:31:54 -0400 Jonathan Wayne wrote: I'm pretty sure that there is no difference in the registry format of the Windows 9x, 2000, NT, etc family. I think this statement needs a little clarification. If you mean the entries TB put into the registry (mostly under the HKCU...\RIT branch, plus some others) are all the same regardless what OS platform your machine has, then it's correct. OTOH, if you mean all those different windows have the same registry format in general, then it's not correct. WinNT/2k line does have registry data formats that are not available to Win9x. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 at 12:00:01 +1000 K wrote: Yeah I get up to 500 or so each week, even though they are mostly 0-Byte in size they take up heaps of space on your HDD cause EVERY file is allocated a "Minimum" size on the HDD and collectively a few hundred can add up to a lot of wasted space, I'm afraid this is not quite correct. The only physical space a 0-byte file takes up on your HD is the directory entry, which is very little. It won't take up any data cluster. this is known as "Slack Space" and your defrag prog may give you stats of the amout of this space you have, I'm afraid this is not correct, either. "Slack space" means the wasted space resulting from a cluster being not fully used. It's the difference of the cluster size and the actual space needed for the *last* cluster of a file. If you have many small files (single-cluster files), then the slack space would be large in comparison to the actual file size. Since 0-byte files don't take up any data cluster, however, it doesn't generate any slack space. As well as that when you run a defrag, it takes ages, because it's got so many more File-Entries on the HDD to process, Not really. They may occupy directory entries, but there's no data cluster to move. also same if you delete heaps of them at once, your machine may seem to "Hang" as the HDD re-writes hundreds or thousands of FAT-entries... ...just wait for it to finish gracefully! As said, 0-byte files take up directory entries, but no FAT entries. I'm not trying to say you shouldn't clean them up more often, nor am I suggesting it's ok for RIT not to clean them up when appropriate (when closing, e.g.), but your idea about how 0-byte files work on a FAT/FAT32 system seems to be wrong. As always, it might be me who is wrong. My apology if that's the case and please do correct me. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 at 05:25:15 -0500 A Curtis Martin wrote: I just checked mine and found 1503 TB! related objects!! It amounted to just 48KB however. I've never emptied my temp directories since using NT and now 2k. Never had a problem. In fact the total size of the temp folder is 18MB. Generally speaking, leftovers in the temp dir aren't really problematic to our day-to-day operation. When there are too many of them, however, it does slow down some programs' operation somewhat. Each program has its unique way of generating temp file names, and it has to check if a file of the same name is already in the dir. If there are many leftovers in the dir from the same program, chances are it would have to try more than once to get a unique file name. Another matter is if a directory is too large (has too many files, regardless of their size), directory-related operation would slow down. Since temp dir is used by some many programs, it might slow the system down. Whether it's observable is another matter. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Administrator and more
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 at 15:47:08 +0200 Michal Kozusznik wrote: I have defined one account as administrator and others as users. Is it correct, that administrator account is available only with windows login where the account was defined? I mean, When I log in into WIndows as another user, I can't use Administrator account. I haven't tried, but I don't think so. The administrator account of TheBat and the account of the same name of Windows are two different things. They're not connected in anyway, AFAIK. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
TB temp files mystery -- an experiment
Hello All, From the discussion on the other thread, I seem to be the only one who is not seeing TB temp files in my temp dir regularly, which makes me wonder what I'm missing. :-) So I decided to do a little experiment. Nothing scientific or methodical, just a little observation. I wrote a .bat file that use DOS dir command to list all files under my temp dir and all its sub-dir and append the result to a log file. I then schedule it (with PowerPro, for those who knows it) to run the batch file every minute. It started on 7:15 am (my time) and I checked my log at 9:36. During this 2-hour+ period, I did my usual stuff with TB: reading/writing/sending email, TB would check mail automatically, and I did several manual checking. I even did a little house cleaning job that I usually do in the weekend: killing dupes in all folders, purging and compressing all folders. I also surfed the web a little (with IE), did my work (on Word) a little, and read news with Agent and XNews a little. BTW, when the experiment began, my Bat had been running for more about 24 hours since I last shut it down for backup yesterday morning. In order to see if TB would clean up its temp files and if it creates them upon startup, I shut down TB around 9:10 and restart it a few minutes later (in the meantime I do my daily backup, which usually doesn't require shutting down TB). During this period, only ONE temp file from TB is recorded. It's a Word document attachment I received and I let TB launch it (via Word, of course). What's interesting is TB didn't create the temp file right under the temp dir. It created a sub-dir named "bat", and then created the temp file (named "32BCC548.doc") under it. Other than that, there has been no temp files from TB--at least none was caught by my per-min. recording! System configuration: Pentium Pro 200 MHz, 96MB RAM, Win2k Pro SP1 Programs always in the background: a security suite from my university, PowerPro (a utility), and Powermarks (BTW, thanks for those who recommended it). No antivirus suite, no ZoneAlarm or the likes. And I don't use TB's ticker, if that makes a difference. I'll keep the experiment going for the day, and I'll report back tomorrow. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 at 09:50:11 -0700 Ming-Li wrote: It created a sub-dir named "bat", and then created the temp file (named "32BCC548.doc") under it. Sorry, I forgot to mentioned: TB did clean up the temp file and the sub-dir it created when I shut it down. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: From WIN 95 to Win2K
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 at 14:57:30 +0200 Anton Sommer wrote: @regedit /e !_RegSettings_2.reg "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\RIT" It has been announced officially and repeated several times on the list but it looks worth repeating since old habits die hard: the "HKLM\...\RIT" branch is no longer used by TB, so it serves no point to back up or restore it. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: no printing possible when to-field is empty
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 at 17:35:17 +0200 Anton Sommer wrote: I cannot safe it as an draft without filling out the TO-field. And that is what I'm afraid for. Ok, if I would be more careful it would be no problem. But sometimes... I don't really get this. When you save it as a draft (with the "To" field filled, of course), TB would never send it out, unless you manually cancel its draft status. So why worry about filling in the "To" field? Thank you for that information. That was also new for me. Should the destination email address really the first field you have to fill out to get the features to handle it like an email? Not really, but it's the way TB is currently designed. As Marck explained, the mechanisms look tightly intertwined that changes don't seem likely within its current structure. It doesn't mean it can't be made better, especially with the newly designed v2, for which we're all eagerly waiting. Sorry, I started learning english last week, don't expect a good grammar from me :) Are you trying to put me to shame? ;-) I've learned English for years and still make grammatical errors every so often. :( -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 at 17:45:26 +0200 Anton Sommer wrote: I don't know, what external program I use. I just open TB, read my emails, send some emails. And really nothing else. Attachments - seldom. Do you receive html messages with lots of graphics? They might need to be saved as temp files to be handled (even by TB). I'm not sure about this for at this moment I couldn't find any to try, but it's a possibility. And every day I have files from bat2.tmp to bat84.tmp and many more. All tmp-files have the size Zero. I'm sure, there must be another explanation. Another thought just came to my mind: do you use any anti-virus program that would check email in the background? I don't use any of those, so it's just a wild guess. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: no printing possible when to-field is empty
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 at 17:56:13 +0200 Dierk Haasis wrote: But then I have to open the draft to write the message. With this operation the message becomes "un-drafted", prone to be sent accidentally. Sorry, but I don't get this. What's the problem? When you open a draft to further edit it, there's no danger that TB would suddenly send it out. TB would never send out a message in the work. If you still don't want to send it, just save it as draft again. My wife and I do this very often for some important messages (messages to our professors, e.g.). The one who writes it would save it as draft, the other would review it and send it out if there's no major changes, or save it as draft again if substantial changes are made and final decision needs to be made by the original sender. Occasionally this would take several rounds, and yet we never send a message by mistake (or it would be a disaster, given the importance of the message). Or did I misunderstand you? -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 at 08:57:50 -0700 Nick Andriash wrote: I'm still with Beta 1 because with Beta 3 and 4, there were absolutely hundreds of temp files left behind... FWIW, I use beta 4 and there's no temp files in my temp dir, even though my Bat has been up for many hours. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 at 11:26:41 -0500 Dwight A Corrin wrote: I am using 1.51, not a beta. I just looked in my temp directory, and found 653 bat related temporary files, all of 0 bites. This 0-byte thing brought to me an old memory. I'm not sure if it's (still) true, but I vaguely remember learning that 0-byte files, unless created intentionally, happen most often when a file-deleting operation is not complete. I.e., the necessary FAT/FAT32 changes have been made, but the directory entry isn't erased. Could this be the case? For those of you who see this a lot, what OS are you using (my guessing is Win9x, for its file management is weaker)? Well, I'm not sure what to make of this even if it's true. Just a thought. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: no printing possible when to-field is empty
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 at 18:53:18 +0200 Anton Sommer wrote: I clumsy pc-user very often press the wrong button. I want to press 'save' but I really press 'send'. Well, that brings us to another area where I want to see TB improves: user-customizable toolbars. I, for that very reason, want to hide the "Send Immediately" button from my toolbar, and want to hide several others I don't use. OTOH, there're tasks I would like to have a button on the bar. But that's another thing for the so-close-yet-so-far-away v2. sigh -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 at 17:53:14 +0100 Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: ML FWIW, I use beta 4 and there's no temp files in my temp dir, ML even though my Bat has been up for many hours. Are you certain of that? I have *hundreds*. I do see them sometimes, but very rarely, and I check (and clean up) my temp dir quite often. What I usually see there are stuff from Word and other M$ leftovers. If I'm teaching grannie the art of egg-sucking, forgive me, but the "temp" dir is a bit tucked away in Win2k: \Documents and Settings\(user).(machine)\local settings\temp If that's where you looked and there really are no TB temp files, I'm surprised. No, that's not where I looked. smirk I've changed my system environment variables. I believe you know Win2k system has 4 temp dirs (system temp and tmp, and user temp and tmp). All of them have been re-assigned by me. As said, I'm in the habit of cleaning up my temp dir often, so it's quite cumbersome to get to a dir buried 4 levels deep. Just to clear any doubt, I went to check the dir you mentioned. And yes, there's nothing there. Also just checked the temp dir I assigned, and again, there's no TB temp files there. (As noted, I do see them sometimes. Just not now.) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Another time macro mistake!
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 at 22:59:52 +0200 Andreas Schwartmann wrote: As to the %ODate macro: I rather use the english one, because otherwise the day gets pinned down in German. Ah-so. That makes sense. I gather you'd rather like to read "Wednesday" than "Mittwoch". Right? ;-) Not really. :-) I don't mean to brag, but even though my German is poor, ehhh, very poor, I can still read days of week, numbers, etc. Ok, I admit it ... I'm bragging. ;-) Not that there's much to brag, tough. Give me a whole sentence and I'll be looking all over for the dictionary. :-( -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another time macro mistake!
On Sun, 8 Apr 2001 at 10:07:53 +0200 Joan Josep wrote: Since I am also interested in the argument, and the statement is obviously wrong, could you please review it and advise accordingly ? Sorry, but I don't get your question. Which statement is obviously wrong? You mean the original regexp macros? I think the problem has been solved (see Allie's instruction). What other problem is there? -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another time macro mistake!
On Sun, 8 Apr 2001 at 10:49:13 +0200 Roland Burger wrote: The first part of the date (on Sun ...) is still in English and not in German. I, however, search to write this part in German, because I have relative in the USA to whom I write in German language! The first part was taken (by the Regexp macro pair %SETPATTREGEXP and %REGEXPBLINDMATCH) from the Date field of the original message's header, which is always in English. There's nothing we can do about it. You may use %ODate instead, as Andreas originally did (see the starting post of this thread), but then you'll run into problem of wrong dates as reported by Andreas. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another time macro mistake!
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 at 16:06:28 +0200 Andreas Schwartmann wrote: ACM In the macro you included, " On %ODateen..". This macro ACM Replace %ODATEEN with %SUBPATT="2". I have done so, but now I get I guess you replaced the wrong "%ODATEEN" in your macro. There were two in the macro you gave us, and as Allie said, the one that should be replaced is the first one (see how Allie put it? He told you to replace the one in "On %ODateen..", not the one in "which was %ODATEEN"). You didn't include the header (the "Date" field in the header) in your original message, but I believe its original date is 2 April, which translate into 3 April when using the %ODateEn macro. IOW, the correct outcome should be: "on Tuesday, 2 Apr 2001 at 18:34:57 GMT -0700 (PDT) (which was Mon, April 03, 2001 03:34 where I live)" If you still have trouble getting it right, please post the header of the original message. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another time macro mistake!
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 at 17:56:59 +0200 Andreas Schwartmann wrote:
Thanks, now I guess I got it right. :-)
Good to hear that. Two side notes I forgot to mention:
1. You may want to add a caret sign ("^") between "(?m-s)" and
"Date" at the start of the %SETPATTREGEXP macro expression, like
this
%Wrapped='%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)^Date\:\s*?
which would match only header field that starts with "Date". The
original macro would match a field like "Delivery-date", which
rarely appears (I've never seen one until someone reported it on the
list) but does exist.
2. As you can see, The "EN" part of the %ODateEN macro (the one for
"where I live") asks TB to show the original date (adjusted to your
local time zone) in the "day-of-week, month day, year" format
commonly used in the U.S. (and where?). If you prefer the
"day-of-week, day month year" format commonly used in Europe (I
assume you would since you're in Germany), use %ODate instead, in
which case TB would use your Windows system settings.
--
Best regards,
Ming-Li
The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1
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Re: mailto:
On Thursday, April 05, 2001 at 13:23:12 -0700 Nick Andriash wrote: You know I thought the same thing Ming-Li, but when I checked my own settings... and I have no problems whatsoever with my MailTo:'s, I don't show the "%1" in my command. Here is all I have for my "Open" command: "C:\PROGRAM FILES\THE BAT!\THEBAT.EXE" yet it works just fine. shrug That's interesting! Ok, let me try. ... (removing %1 from the Open command for Mailto protocol in Win Explorer) ... Hmmm, Win Explorer wouldn't let me do it. Seriously! Each time I take out the %1 parameter, Win Explorer adds it back by itself. I've tried several times (and no, I didn't click the Cancel button). Ok, let me try to delete it in registry. ... Ok, now try a mailto link in IE. No, it doesn't work. TB is brought back to front, but no editing window is created. Just as Bubba described. Well, maybe it's because we use different OS. (Especially the "can't delete %1 parameter in Win Explorer part.) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT : File Splitter [ was Re: Duplicate messages ]
On Friday, April 06, 2001 at 21:58:11 +0700 Syafril Hermansyah wrote: ML Please try ML http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/1401/fileuti2.htm#filesplitters Thank, but that not what I want. I need filesplitter not for sending by mail attachment, but only breaking text file to any size I to fit on Notepad or any text editor. confused I thought I gave you a wrong URL. Yet I checked just now, and it's correct. See the address? At the end of it, it says "#filesplitters". And that section of the page indeed contains several DOS file splitters. Noting on that page mentioned anything about mail or attachment. /confused Marck already give me one (his own program), I just start to use it (thanks Marck). Good to hear that. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT : File Splitter [ was Re: Duplicate messages ]
On Friday, April 06, 2001 at 20:12:30 +0700 Syafril Hermansyah wrote: I have tried, but getting problem with the logs size. 3rd of April was busy day for the list, the logs size around 160 MB. Any info about utility to split ASCII text file into less size ? Please try http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/1401/fileuti2.htm#filesplitters I haven't used this kind of things for years, but they should work well, since splitting file is a in fact a simply job. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mailto:
On Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 22:47:56 -0700 Bubba wrote: When I click on the "mailto:email-address" hyperlink, the main page of The Bat! is launched, rather than the "Edit Mail Message" screen. I just downloaded version 5.5 of the Microsoft Internet Explorer browser and I'm still having this same problem. From Windows Explorer (not IE), please go to [Tools | Folder Options | File Types], and find a "file type" called "URL: MailTo Protocol". Click on the "Advanced" button and edit the "Open" action. Now there should be a window showing you how the protocol is handled by the system. Does it say something like this: "F:\UTI\TheBat\thebat.exe" %1 Note the "%1" at the end, which sends the intended recipient address to TB. Without it, TB won't open the editing window. I'm using version 1.51 of The Bat!. You didn't say what OS you're using. What I said applied to Win2k and might be a little different from Win9x. I think the moderators have made it clear that it's advisable to include your OS information with your message, at least when you post questions. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
On Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 07:12:37 +0400 jlaikan wrote: BC You can use Ctrl+Up and Ctrl+Down to move to the previous or BC next message while in preview mode. ACM Those shortcuts only work in view-folder windows. Most of the time I only Preview messages Sometimes I wish to Go back to a previous message previewed. Without the feature I requested, I have to remember which message it was and search for it manually. That's why I think that the feature would be useful to me. I'm afraid the shortcuts Brian mentioned don't do what you want, not even in folder-view window. They'll take you to the message above or below current one in the message list, but not to the ones you viewed previously. IOW, what you need are "history navigation" shortcuts, which TB doesn't provide at this moment. It's on my wish list, too. The deficiency of TB in terms of navigation has been well discussed on the list, and basically people agree it could take a page or two from other newsreaders or emailers. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
On Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 11:48:56 +0800 Thomas wrote: That's why it's called "preview" pane. You can easily navigate while you are in folder view. But it doesn't make much sense. Many of the functional discrepancies between main window and folder view window just don't make sense. E.g., there's no folder menu in the folder view, so you can't perform folder maintenance function in it. I read in a folder view, found duplicates, and have to switch back to main window to kill them. The lack of some navigation shortcuts (Ctrl-Up or Down) in the main window doesn't make sense, either. If they perform other functions in the main window, then I could understand, but they're not. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Duplicate messages
On Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 21:21:00 -0600 Shauna Scott wrote: MDP In that case you will have to look at and compare the routing MDP headers to see at what stage the duplicates were generated. Below are the headers from two of the three copies I've received of a message from you to Bubba. Maybe someone can spot something. I'm no expert, but I can try. 1st copy: Received: from dutaint.com (dip6.dutaint.com [203.130.233.8]) by maintgx.tgx.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA27551 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:24:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from silverstones.com by dutaint.com with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v4.0.0rc2.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:00:14 +0700 2nd copy: Received: from dutaint.com (dip6.dutaint.com [203.130.233.8]) by maintgx.tgx.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA27180 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from silverstones.com by dutaint.com with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v4.0.0rc2.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:00:14 +0700 H, it looks like it's indeed our list server (dutaint.com) that's generating duplicates. As Marck said, this could happen when a server couldn't tell if a delivery is successfully due to broken connection, so it re-send a message. It's normal, I think, if it happens occasionally. But if it happens very often, then maybe Syafril wants to take a look. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
On Thursday, April 05, 2001 at 23:38:18 +0800 Thomas wrote: I just watched myself reading the new messages on this list. What I do is, I read in the preview pane, have set "no thread mode", and sort by "received / descending". I go through the message hitting the space bar in (more or less) regular intervals. For a discussion list, I prefer threaded mode, especially with lists where threading works well (like TB lists). Whether to read in preview pane or to open a folder view window depends on how many messages there're to read. When plenty, I prefer the folder view widow, for it rids the account tree pane and gives me more information on the message list pane. (I generally don't use the gray message header pane.) Yet as I said, the lack of the folder menu is inconvenient. ML The lack of some navigation shortcuts (Ctrl-Up or Down) in the ML main window doesn't make sense, either. What do they (not) do? In folder view, when the message body pane is in focus, Ctrl-Up or Down moves the focus the the message above or below the current one in the message list. It's basically the same as the Up or Down key (without Ctrl) when the focus is in the message list pane. Why would one want to put focus in the message body pane, you may ask? Well, e.g., to search in the message body. Or sometimes I close the message list pane (to give more space to the body), or sometimes I want to scroll up with keyboard (spacebar works well only when you keeps scrolling down). -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
On Thursday, April 05, 2001 at 00:08:38 +0800 Thomas wrote: ML The lack of some navigation shortcuts (Ctrl-Up or Down) in ML the main window doesn't make sense, either. So everything is there, In *folder view* window! I am confused by the word "lack of". lack of, in the *main window*. :-) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
On Thursday, April 05, 2001 at 00:42:24 +0800 Thomas wrote: OK, now I get it: I'm using oly unthreaded view in the preview pane. So I don't exprience the lack. Urr, I don't think it has anything to do with threading. Even in unthreaded view (I do use unthreaded view for my non-discussion list folders), I still need to jump up and down (i.e., Ctrl-Up and Down are needed) sometimes. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Undo, Prievious view commands
On Thursday, April 05, 2001 at 01:20:24 +0800 Thomas wrote: In unthreaded view, I use the up and down arrows. I thought I've made that clear in my earlier post: :-( The up and down arrows work when the focus is in the message list pane, both in the main window or folder view window. But when the focus is in the message body pane (and I also gave some examples why they focus would be there), one needs the Ctrl-Up and Down arrows, which are only available in the folder view. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mangled messages in hypertext
On Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 11:03:10 -0500 Mal Wiseman wrote: I receive hypertext from one particular mailing list sender where the lines of text are broken up into many one, two, and three word lines. What's going on? Do you mean they are broken in the html tab or the plain text tab, or both? Either way, try exporting the message (either format would do) and examining the exported file with a text editor. If the broken lines you observed happened in TB's plain text tab, then you should see the same thing in the text editor. If you saw them in the html view, then there should be some html tag that's breaking them (e.g.: BR or P). -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address book hassle
On Friday, March 30, 2001 at 15:17:06 +0200 Karin Spaink wrote: There's only one AddrBook.ini and it listed the correct place. So now we know TB doesn't create a new addrbook.ini when it couldn't find one. Right. Indeed most users had a wrong key there, which I have dutifully corrected. The problem seems to be fixed now. Thanks! Glad to hear that. But this means that although AddrBook.ini is supposed to tell the program where to look for the address book, actually the registry entry takes precedence... Yup. It's a dilemma between easier central control or more end user freedom. By storing registry entries under the HKCU key, TB opted for the latter. RIT has said they plan to abandon the registry someday, but we're still waiting. And the problem won't disappear when TB switches to ini-only approach, though with better design it can be minimized. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! and AVG Anti Virus
On Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 08:16:27 +0100 Jamie Dainton wrote: RTF does not have to be sent as an attatchment. It can can just be a message itself with it's encoding. What got me curious is what emailer would encode its mail as rtf. Or does it happen when one sends via MAPI from Word or other word processor? What is it usually "formatted" (what's the "content type"): as a hybrid with a plain text part and a rtf part (as with most html mail), or just a rtf part (as with some html mail)? -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: incoming messages
On Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 13:27:49 -0700 Lynn wrote: I have noticed that when i get incoming mail, my new mail sometimes gets put into a different folder then i have setup in filters. Have dozens of filters and never have such problems. As others said, it's almost certain to be something about how your filters are set up, including their order of executions and the key strings you use. Fortunately, it isn't hard to find out. It just takes a little patience and be methodical. Here is how: 1. Find one of the messages that got filtered wrong, and move it back to the Inbox. 2. Move the right filter (the one it was supposed to be applied to that message, let's call it filter A) to the top, making sure it's the first filter for your incoming mail, it's active, *AND* its "continue processing with other filters" option is not checked. Re-filter Inbox and see if that solves the problem. If yes, there's some other filter interfering with it. 3. Usually the problem is solved simply by leaving filter A on top. But if you want to find out what filter was interfering with filter A, you may temporarily disable it by unchecking the "Rule is Active" option, and re-filter Inbox (of course, you first have to move the message back again). It should again land in the wrong folder. 4. Find out which filter would move messages to the folder (filter B), and check its condition. This typically happens when the condition isn't precise enough, so it matches messages that aren't suppose to be matched. Keep the Sorting Office open, and turn on the kludges in your main window (or folder view window), and you should find out why. 5. If you can't. Post the filter settings to the list and the complete header of the message, and people here would figure it out (this never failed to the best of my memory). If there's privacy concerns (there usually isn't when only the header is posted, but just in case), you may edit out part of the header but make sure you make that clear in your post. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: incoming messages
On Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 09:31:10 +0200 Dierk Haasis wrote: One remains: TBOT. The filter just says "Put messages with TBOT, dutaint, ritlabs or bathelp from inbox to bat" It is a correctly set up OR filter. It resides as my third filter. The first two are for automatically sending my PGP keys and sorting private mail into its own folder. Please see my post to Lynn. I'm sure this sort of problem can be sorted out easily enough. If you need help from the group, please post the complete filter settings. E.g., what's the filter strings you use, and how you set up the relationship (how you do the "OR"--with the pipe operator or with alternative rule sets), etc. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! and AVG Anti Virus
On Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 17:28:21 +0100 Stuart Tares wrote: Any of the Microsoft mailers have an option to send an email out using RTF. This may even be the default. H, this is new to me. OE was my emailer before switching to TB a few months ago, and I never knew it sends "RTF" email. AFAICR, it sends html mail by default. No idea about Outlook or Exchange server, though. Thanks (to Markus, too) for the info. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Sorting Filter Read; Active or Re-Filter Only?
On Tuesday, March 27, 2001 at 15:55:22 -0800 Paddy L wrote: Using Read Message Filter set as active. It seems only to work if I do a "Re-Filter all messages". I thought read messages filter would activate upon leaving folder or account. Not exactly sure what you mean. Read msg filters are activated when a message is marked as read (either manually or automatically) AND when the message is no longer in focus (i.e., when you move to another message, or when you go to another folder). You can't, apply read msgs filters, however, to messages that are already read in a folder simply by going to the folder and then leaving it, because those messages' status aren't changed at the time. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: From Outlook 2000 to TheBat! and then...
On Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 15:07:15 +0100 Stuart Tares wrote: FC Dou you know how to expart all the whole archive !? As far as I know you can only do it on a folder by folder basis. That's right. But you can also use the /EXPORT command line parameter and a batch file to export multiple folders in one go. (Hint: use dir command to get a list of folder names, then create a bat to export all or some of them.) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Filters for 2 accounts
On Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 08:30:41 -0800 syv wrote: The problem is that the Phil filters do not execute. He has to do a re-filter to apply the filters. How to improve the situation? This is getting FAQ-ed. I don't like to repeat my lengthy reply here, so please check out the archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg20002.html. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Filters for 2 accounts
On Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 19:14:11 +0200 SyP wrote: 1) The redirection changed the RFC-822 header of the mail - and did so in such a way that all redirected mail got caught by the filter I use to colour the messages written by me. I've detailed the drawbacks (including this one) of all possible solutions in the post I mentioned in my previous reply. Please check the link. Simply put, there's no perfect solution. 2) When experimenting, it was very easy to create a setup where mail was autogenerating from Acc2 and redirected to Acc1 in an alarming rate... It was most certainly a user error in my part, but I kind of shied away doing the redirection :) I don't know what you mean here. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address book hassle
On Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 20:19:23 +0200 Karin Spaink wrote: For friends, I have set up a small network (two computers, both running WinNT) using TheBat. The program resides on computer A. All users have their own accounts, plus they have access to the company's main account. There is also an admin account, from which you can access all other accounts. The address book resides in d:\thebat\admin . The hassle is that they keep "losing" the address book. I believe you're using one of the newest version (older versions store the information in the registry), so AFAIK the only place TB stores the location and name of the ABs in use in "AddrBook.INI" under the main directory of the message base (or the "working directory" as TB calls it). Please check all network HDs to see if there're other copies of the same .ini elsewhere. How do they normally use the computers? Do you log-in (into Windows, not TB) with different accounts? If so, I suspect there're some discrepancies as to where the "working directory" is at. The location is stored in the registry under the key: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat! Since every Windows account has its own "HKEY_CURRENT_USER" tree, they might not share the same value for the "Working Directory" entry. And there are two computers, each with its own user accounts. I would suggest checking all those registry entries and make sure all have the same "working directory" and see if that solves the problem. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Displaying ISO-8859-3 (Latin-3)
On Monday, March 26, 2001 at 21:58:13 -0600 Clif Oliver wrote: Is there a way to display messages received that use ISO-8859-3 (Latin-3)? Currently, I'm afraid not. You may try to create a pair of translation table for it (Options | XLAT Tables), assuming you have the appropriate font for it. Or you may ask RIT for it. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! v1.51 - system resources
On Tuesday, March 27, 2001 at 01:47:32 +0800 Thomas wrote: That certainly depends on how much your resources are. Are you talking about RAM? How much do you have? I'm pretty certain he's talking about the GDI and User resources--the two system heaps. I still have the feeling that TB leaks. Could you elaborate? -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! v1.51 - system resources
On Tuesday, March 27, 2001 at 13:24:50 -0500 Aaron wrote: Not sure since I have many things running at once. I learned of a program MemTurbo last week and it seems to help me tremendously. I'm afraid none of those memory cleanup tools is able to reclaim system resources for you. That's why you still have to reboot Win95/98/Me machines pretty often, even if you've plenty of RAMS. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! and AVG Anti Virus
On Tuesday, March 27, 2001 at 10:23:29 -0600 Christian Dysthe wrote: does anyone know when AVG Anti Virus mail check functionality will support The Bat? AVG uses MAPI, but The Bat's MAPI implementation doesn't work with AVG. Eudora's and OE's do. So you want AVG to check outgoing mail for you, right? May I ask why? TB creates and sends text-only messages, which are inherently virus-free. As to attachments, well, if you have AVG installed, it should have checked them on your HD, shouldn't it? Or you just want the "virus free" statement added to your outgoing mail, like: Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.219 / Virus Database: 103 - Release Date: 12/05/00 I sometimes see this in newsgroups, and can't help but chuckle (unless they have attachments). As I said, plain-text-only messages are virus free by nature. As to attachments, I don't know why one should trust the statement and not scan them oneself. If you're not talking about outgoing mail, then I apologize. But then, it has nothing to do with MAPI, AFAIK. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! v1.51 - system resources
On Tuesday, March 27, 2001 at 11:36:53 -0500 Jan Rifkinson wrote: I have some issues w system resources so I've started checking on program usage. It appears to me that *my* TB! is using about 12% of system resources. Does this sound right? May I ask how you measure it? My best guess is you observed the difference in available system resources before and after launching (or closing) TB, right? I'm afraid that's quite misleading sometimes. All activities in Windows involves system resources consumptions. When TB is launched, not only the program itself is loaded, other system functions (like Winsock.dll, and many others) are also involved. If some system functions have been loaded by other programs (IE, e.g.), launching TB wouldn't not reload them, and the system resources consumed by those functions would not be observed. OTOH, if you launch TB right after you reboot Windows (and before anything else is loaded, including anti-virus software and others that usually load at startup), the system resources drop would be more significant. So, depending on the context of your experiment, 12% could be normal (IIRC, after all, I've moved to Win2k, which doesn't have such problem, for months). That being said, I'm not suggesting TB doesn't have resource leak, or it couldn't be made to be more system resources-efficient. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! and AVG Anti Virus
On Tuesday, March 27, 2001 at 22:25:57 +0200 Marek Mikus wrote: I'm in support mailinglist of this AV and as I remember, it should be an option to "not" certificate mail without attachment. But how is the default setting? And does it know how to distinguish plain-text messages from html ones? Regardless, my point is: as a recipient, I don't know what to make of the statement. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAICT, there's no way to verify the statement. IOW, I could put the statement into my template and suddenly all my message would appear to be AVG certified. If that's the case, those lines don't do much good except blowing up the message size, IMHO. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! and AVG Anti Virus
On Tuesday, March 27, 2001 at 13:02:47 -0800 syv wrote: ML I sometimes see this in newsgroups, and can't help but chuckle ML (unless they have attachments). As I said, plain-text-only ML messages are virus free by nature. As to attachments, I don't ML know why one should trust the statement and not scan them ML oneself. Actually, you are mistaken. Viruses can be spread through RTF files. RTF files and documents are supposed to be ASCII only, and there can be macro viruses. I think there's some misunderstanding here. I've said "plain-text" messages *without* attachment are virus-free by nature. RTF files are attachments, aren't they? Second, I don't think plain-text email includes everything that can be read with a text editor. If that's the case, even html mail is plain-text mail, isn't it? Third, many programs (in its broadest sense, including macros, scripts, etc.) are stored in a way that can be read with a plain text editor (no binary data included). E.g., .prg (for Dbase), .vbs (visual basic scripts), .bat files and many others. But I don't think you'll call them "plain-text" file, and their functionality depends on a proper "interpreter". When they're not interpreted--i.e., when they're loaded by a plain-text editor (to view their source codes)--they can do no harm, for a plain-text editor would not "execute" the embedded commands. So I think my statement still stands, though I would be happened to be enlightened. :-) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! v1.51 - Access Violation
On Monday, March 19, 2001 at 21:06:09 -0500 Jan Rifkinson wrote: I've been getting a # of error msgs on all kinds of programs I'm trying to sort them out to see if there is a common denominator. Looks like your system have been messed up pretty badly. Your hardware configuration is impressive (I envy you), but that won't prevent Windows are other mischievous software from messing it up quickly. If it's a new machine (looks like so) and you're just setting it up, I would suggest starting from scratch and do it right. I mentioned a freeware utility yesterday called InCtrl that would track your system changes, and I suggest using it from day one. For years it's always been the first thing I install after the OS, and then I track every move by every software installation. Since yours is a Dell machine, I bet many things have been preinstalled for you, right? That makes it even harder to debug. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! v1.51 - Access Violation
On Tuesday, March 20, 2001 at 11:30:31 -0500 Jan Rifkinson wrote: However, the two programs which seem to contribute most often to a system shut down have been Explorer 5.5 The Bat! That's why I brought this problem to the list to begin with. First it was the canvas handle error msg then the latest. If you (or anyone else) has a notion of how/why TB! might be in conflict by the error msg I supplied I'd appreciate your input. I'm no expert, but I'm afraid the error msg doesn't say much. Access violation could be caused by a bunch of things, and unless you have a debugger to see who is trying to access what in the memory, nothing much can be discerned from the msg per se. If I have to guess, the mapi32.dll installed by TB might be in conflict with other MAPI servers/clients, IF (and it's a big if) the problem is really caused by TB. It's just pure speculation, though. If I start from scratch, I'm considering a Win2000 installation which I understand is the most stable of the MS OS products. This will definitely cause me start from scratch as I'm told I will have to re-format my HD although I'm not sure why. If you want to use NTFS, reformatting your HD is a necessity. Otherwise, it's not. Still, it's a good idea. It makes sure you get rid of everything installed under WinME. (Win2k also use "%system drive\Program Files" as the default program directory, so if you mix two OS on one partition, you'll end up with a mixed c:\program file directory.) Another point to consider: you have a big HD, why not divide it into several partitions. At least, separating program partition and data partition would simplify backup jobs significantly. No matter, I'd be interested in DLing the 'InCtrl' utility if you can point me to your archived msg that relates to it as I'd like to read it. It's a free PC Magazine utility, and you'll find them on ZDNet. Mine is InCtrl5 version 1.0, which I'm not sure is the newest. (Could be, it's released last December.) If you want to use it on Win2k, make sure you get InCtrl5 or higher. Earlier versions have some minor problem with Win2k registry. (I believe some versions of InCtrl3 and InCtrl4 are still on ZDNet, because they're treated as different utilities, not different versions of the same utility--a stupid error by the naming scheme, IMHO.) Ming-Li Since yours is a Dell machine, I bet many things have been Ming-Li preinstalled for you, right? That makes it even harder to debug. A real PITA. A friend once called me for help for she couldn't connect to the Internet with her new Dell machine. I checked and found a hole on the back of the machine. It turned out they didn't install the NIC. The worst part was, the NIC was IN the machine; it's just not fixed on a expansion slot! IOW, it had been floating and banging around inside the machine all the way to her. So much for the no. 1 brand. :-) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Viewing Messages
On Monday, March 19, 2001 at 14:15:25 + Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: I seldom use the TB main window. You can do just about everything from a folder window Just to see if I'm missing something: can I kill dupes or re-filter a folder in a folder view (a single folder view, not the ticker folder view)? I use folder view a lot but couldn't find the "Folder" menu and there seems to be no shortcut keys for those task. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The return of the upgrade problem
On Sunday, March 18, 2001 at 21:09:15 +0100 Jan-Arild Lkstad wrote: When I upgraded from 1.48f to 1.51 less than a week ago, I lived through the "horrors" of the upgrade problem again. Once the TB! splash screen appears, the system froze and had to be powered down. Ctrl-Alt-Delete didn't help. I see you're posting with v.1.51, so the upgraded version does work after you reboot the system, or...? I always create a backup with Drive Image prior to all changes I make on the computer so I restored the system, and tried to upgrade one more time, but the same thing happened on the second attempt. Did you check the system before this second try. At least a scandisk would be a good idea. Better yet, go get a free utility called InCtrl, which could trace every changes made to your system between two events, including files added/deleted/changes, and registry changes. I use it to have a complete record of everything new software does to my system. So if something screws up, I'll have a better clue. It also helps you uninstall software. Most (I'm tempted to say all) of them don't uninstall themselves cleanly. Why does this problem return? It never happens here, so I've no idea. As you're using Win98, I don't feel terribly surprised. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automating/Scheduling Backups
On Sunday, March 18, 2001 at 00:08:26 +0400 John wrote: If you need a third party software to back your files manually or on schedule (not only Bat! files) I would recommend ... Thanks, but I've a perfect backup solution already, and this questions have been discussed many times and many solutions (many of them free) have been offered. (You're new here, aren't you? ;-) ) It does everything you said, and then some. It writes automatically to CDRW discs (no UDF driver like DirectCD is needed), and it keeps as many revisions as you like. :-) I believe, however, some new list members might benefit from your suggestion. Thanks anyway. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automating/Scheduling Backups
On Monday, March 19, 2001 at 12:30:45 + Adam wrote: Just to clarify, you mean it can't do a partial restore, it's all or nothing? I think it's pretty obvious from the backup/restore dialog box. You get to choose if you want account data, registry data, etc., but within each category, it's all or nothing. Has any else had any problems with the backup, I am using it now as my only method of backing up TB! It still works, just not as flexible. Say if you screw up one folder (the Inbox, e.g.), and want to restore just that folder, you'll have to copy/move all your folders to another place, restore, and then copy/move all other folders (except Inbox) back. Should I be doing the folder copy and exporting the registry key too? I believe everything is backed up by TB's backup utility (if you check all the options). As I said, its shortcoming is its lack of flexibility. So far there's no known reliability problem. But don't quote me, for I don't use it anyway. :-) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automating/Scheduling Backups
On Sunday, March 18, 2001 at 07:06:12 -0500 A Curtis Martin wrote: F Is there anyway to automate/schedule the Bat's inbuilt backup F facility? No, there isn't. Because of this, I don't use TB!'s backup facility a lot. Also because it can't restore just a few --instead of all--folders. IMHO, the builtin backup utility's only usage is to move data to another machine/OS, and even that can be accomplished by other means. I hate to say it bloats TB, for RIT must have received tons of requests for it to do this. But it really isn't very useful and at least should be separated from the main program, IMHO. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Accounts encrypted or not???
On Monday, February 26, 2001, 1:15:03 PM, Lija wrote: Here's some sample from help file: Note that the accounts mail is encrypted if you set a password." But!!! AFAICS, it's *not* encrypted!?? No, it's not, though it used to be. The help file is seriously outdated. AFAIK, it's changed along with the message base format. (I'm going by my memory of what other people said here, for I started using TB after the new (current) message base was in place.) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Copying messages to multiple folders
On Wednesday, February 28, 2001, 9:35:54 AM, Tony wrote: Is there a way to copy a new message to 2 or more folders? I often send messages to customers and CC: to a colleague. I'd like a filter to automatically copy the outgoing message to both the customers folder and colleague's folder. (The problem is that the outgoing filter only seems to allow a move operation). Check the "Action" tab and there's an option allowing you make a copy of the message to another folder. If more than two destination folders are needed (e.g., if you want another copy in the Sent folder as well), you'll need to set up additional filters. For all but the last of those filters, set the destination to Outbox (i.e., don't move) and use only the "copy" action. Also remember to check the "continue processing with other filters" option under the "Option" tab. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.51 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: From address and Reply to address
On Wednesday, February 28, 2001, 7:32:26 AM, Nick wrote: I've been burned a couple of times on mailing lists by not noticing that a message from a friend was actually sent to the list we're both subscribed to and not to me directly. When I reply, my reply is sent to all on the list- sometimes with embarrassing results. What would be wonderful would be a warning that alerts me when I'm replying to a message where the From: and the Reply To: addresses aren't the same. While I'm not against your suggestion, the problem can be easily avoided by setting up filters for the mailing lists you subscribe to and sort them into different folders. By doing so, private mail won't be mixed with mailing list messages. I notice that at the bottom of the Reply template window there's an option that reads: "Do Not use From Name for Reply To address" Is this my dreamed of feature- or if not, what does it do? Unfortunately, no. When you post to a mailing list, your name is in the "From" field, but the list's address is on the "Reply-To" field. When I reply to you, TB would, by default, take the "name" from the "From" field and the address from the "Reply-To" field. The result is something like: TO: "Nick Knisely" [EMAIL PROTECTED] See? it's your name, but the list's address. It's nice since it conveys who I'm replying to. Yet some people consider it confusing (my address is not tbudl..., or my don't own the list, etc.), so TB gives you the option to turn that off, hence the result would be TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.51 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 8:39:33 AM, Keith wrote: One more question: I do have a backup from a couple of months ago. Can anyone tell me if there is a way I can restore my Inbox from there without losing messages from the other folders? Will it overwrite existing messages, overwrite the entire folders, create duplicates, or what? How did you do your backup--with TB's backup tool or not? TB's backup tool seems to facilitate only all-or-none restoration (I've never tried, so somebody please correct me if I'm wrong here). If you choose to restore mail folders, it would restore all mail folrders -- of course by overwriting existing ones. If you did it manually (with an archive utility, backup utility, or plain file copying), then you may just restore the Inbox directory. If you used TB's backup tool, then you may copy all your mail folders to another location with your file manager (when TB is closed), and copy all other folders except the Inbox back after the restoration. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat compared to Becky and Calypso
On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 2:33:46 PM, Jannik wrote: I use full-width preview pane in TB, something not available in Becky Have a look at version 2.00.03: View | Change Layout. In fact, for several versions already, you can have full-*screen* preview pane (and full-screen Tree-pane and full-screen List-pane): Ctrl + Alt + various arrows (depending on your pane-layout). I believe that has been available since Becky 2 was in betas. But it's not what I want. With TB's full-width preview pane, I still have the 3-pane layout intact, with the message list and account tree in view. With Becky, I'll lose the other two panes when I maximize the preview pane. When I'm reading through mailing list with many messages, I like TB's folder view best--with message list on top and message body at the bottom. The account tree is gone, so the message list can have the full width of the window to accommodate more information. It's not available in Becky. In News, only XNews offer similar arrangment. Agent and Gravity don't. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New Browser window (shift double-click)
On Sunday, February 25, 2001, 10:37:35 AM, Dave wrote: Okay, I've figured out how to add the OpenNew action on Netscape running under Win95b. Unfortunately it doesn't help at all with the shift-double-click idiom (within TB) failing to open a new NS window. Here are the steps I took to get there. Sorry for giving you wrong information the last time. It turns out that the "HTML Document" type controls only a file with .htm or .html extension. It has nothing to do with clicking on a URL in TB (or any applications). I thought it's controlled by the "URL: HyperText Transfer Protocol" type, but I found, on my system, only one action is available for that type, which is "Open". No "OpenNew" is available. Yet shift-double-click works fine here. So now it's beyond me. Sorry, folks. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat on second hard drive?
On Friday, February 23, 2001, 1:07:55 PM, Michael wrote: DH As always there is a big *but*. The registry of Win2k is not DH the same format as on Win9x. They are incompatible. I wrote about this before, but it has since come up so many times that I think maybe it's time to reiterate. It's true that the registry of Win2k is different from Win9x. Yet as far as TB is concerned, there's no difference. TB uses only a key under the HKCU tree, which exists in both environments. The position TB places its registry key (HKCU\Software\RIT\The Bat!) is the same in both environments. So it's perfectly ok to move TB's registry settings between Win2k and Win9x. I experimented with moving the registry entries from one machine to the other and back, and empirically it appears you can move from Win9x to Win2K, but not in the other direction. That's because Win2k's regedit would start the .reg file with line that reads "Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00", while regedit of Win9x (and WinNT 4.0) would start with "REGEDIT4". Regedit of Win2k can read a REGEDIT4-labelled .reg file, but not the other way round. It's designed this way because Win2k provides one (or two) additional data structure for its registry entries, which isn't available to Win9x and might corrupt the latter's registry when imported. As I said above, however, TB doesn't use any Win2k-only data structure in its registry entries, so there's no such risk to porting. The only thing you need to do to import a .reg file from Win2k into Win9x is to edit out the "Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00" line and change it into "REGEDIT4". That being said, do remember to check the .reg file for paths and make sure it points to the right location in the target machine. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Difference between
On Friday, February 23, 2001, 1:13:07 PM, Jacek wrote: What I'd like to have is automatic (eg. every 7 days) Compress and Purge All folders. Is it possible? If not - is it on the wishlist? Under Folder/Properties you find "Compress folder". That should do it every time you close TB!, Yep. I know that. The only problem is I hardly ever close TB! :) Me too, and I'm not against your wish to be able to schedule events in TB. But then, don't you think pulling down the Folder menu and execute "Purge (and Compress) all folders" every 7 days isn't too much a hardship? :-) If you take backup into consideration, then maybe you should quite TB once a while. Backing up mail folders while TB is running may be hazardous, unless you don't use the check mail every nn minutes option (or unless you don't do backup at all). I take the risk for my everyday backup since a backup session takes less than 5 minutes and my mail checking schedule is 30 min. In case TB does receive mail during a backup seesion my backup software would notify me about the corrupted data files and I can redo it. For the more comprehensive weekly backup, however, I do quit TB (and every other programs) to make sure the backup go smoothly. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
On Friday, February 23, 2001, 8:07:03 PM, Yuki wrote: BC This has me a little worried. I seem to recall that people who BC regularly compress their folders have had problems in the past BC after a disk defrag. Do you guys and gals think this is BC something to worry about? I don't think I've defragged my hard BC disk since I've installed TB!, but I do compress on every BC exit. FWIW, I purge and compress often and do defrag once a while, to keep my disk "neat and clean" (as Thomas put it) and to keep my old machine running smoothly. Not a problem either with Win2k or (in the old days) with Win98. I'd also like to ask a follow up on this regarding whether compress problems are OS or program related. I use Agent, and purge and compact after every use -- at least once a day, often more -- and I've *never* had a problem with the database. So I'm wondering if such problems can be honestly laid at the doorstep of the OS. Just curious. I also purge and compact Agent database often (not as often as you do, but still more than once a week). Never a problem. But I don't have problem purging and compressing TB message base, either. FAT and FAT32 aren't known for robustness. Many people do defrag only when they notice their machines are slowing down. They are not aware that the slow down might be caused by being up too long without a reboot (for Win9x systems) and all those memory leaks, system resources leaks, and other system hazards accompanying it. IOW, they do defrag when the system isn't fresh and healthy, and that IMHO is what usually causes the problem. You hear this kind of story all the time in newsgroups, and people usually blame the applications for lack of better explanations. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat on second hard drive?
On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 9:32:09 AM, Ray wrote: ML The only thing you need to do to import a .reg file from Win2k ML into Win9x is to edit out the "Windows Registry Editor Version ML 5.00" line and change it into "REGEDIT4". Thanks for this clear explanation, Ming-Li. I did fail to mention that the "REGEDIT4" header must be changed to "Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00", if porting to a W2K machine, in my mail. It's not a failure actually, for there's no need to change "REGEDIT4" to "Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00". As I said, the regedit of Win2k handles older versions of .reg just fine. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat compared to Becky and Calypso
On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 9:53:53 AM, Martin wrote: Currently I amwriting my Mail with Calypso and am evaluating Eudora, Becky and finally The Bat! I went through the same process less than a year ago. The decission against Eudora is already made, ecause it crashes so often. My school has a deal with Qualcomm so I can use Eudora Pro for free (ad-free version). Not even that could get me to use it. Im interested in your opinions about the other mailers, especially Becky, because it has many features I like, also compared to the Bat! I think it all comes down to personal preferences--what you see as essential and what's important. I also liked Becky 2 a lot (which was in late beta stages), and it had (still does) an particular advantage for me--native DBCS support (for Chinese, Japanese and Korean). But it didn't prevent me from choosing TB. My memory is distant, here're those off the top of my head: 1. editor: TB's editor is a little quirky, but its ability to reflow quoted text is unique and indispensable for me. 2. multi-windows: I could open several messages/folders at once in TB, not in Becky. 3. more sophisticated filters: no email program's filter design is flawless. TB's filters have its fair share of limitation that we all hope would go away in v2. But its power is still peerless. Becky's filters is a little easier to use, for it's tied to folders. But it's much more limited. 4. more customizable interface: customizability is a complex issues, for no application is completely flexible. Usually one cares only those thing he/she wants to customize. For me, TB is the better of the two in this regard. E.g., I use full-width preview pane in TB, something not available in Becky. I'm sure others would point out, rightfully, better template and quick template design in TB, and better PGP plug-ins. They weren't the main points for me, however, for I didn't use those (still don't) extensively. I'll stop here for now. It's time for others to share. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Am I expelled?
On Thursday, February 22, 2001, 7:14:54 AM, Marck wrote: It may be that your ISP's receiving server (or the backbone from Indonesia to them) is having a problem, in which case the messages will be in the dutaint retry queue and should arrive eventually. Thanks to Marck and all who have replied. Indeed those messages eventually came, including my own post, though hours late. I did some checking of those much delayed messages, and found all of them were delayed between dutaint.com (our mailing list server) and spij.co.id. E.g., the header of my original post of this thread contains the following information: Received: from dutaint.com by spij.co.id with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.3.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:13:30 +0700 Received: from spij.co.id by dutaint.com with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v4.0.0i.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:05:14 +0700 which indicates a 5-hour+ delay between the time the mailing list server got my message and the time it successfully handed it to spij.co.id again. In those earlier cases (those I didn't receive on 21), the time between when dutaint.com got the message and when it handed it to spij.co.id (didn't see any other server involved) could stretch to more than one day. Since the problem is not related to TB (the software), I'll reply others on TBOT. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Question: Backup-function
On Friday, February 23, 2001, 6:54:32 AM, Alexander wrote: That means: if I do not compress, I could also leave the messages in the folder as the space won't be reclaimed without compress anyway? I can hardly believe that... It's a typical database practice. It enables you to un-delete deleted messages when necessary--until you compress the database (message base in TB's case). Please note that the "Purge all folders" command under the Folder menu does in fact compress the folders after purge (delete old messages). IOW, it's "Purge + Compress all folders". -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Storing of Account Information
On Tuesday, February 20, 2001, 9:50:04 PM, Thomas wrote: PC I am trying to figure out where TB! stores information such as PC Account SMTP and POP servers. \batpath\Mail\accountname\account.cfg Of course, the info is encrypted, as it should be. No, it's not encrypted. account.cfg is not a plain text file, but that doesn't mean it's encrypted. Look at it with a hex editor (or any editor that can read non-plain text files) and you'll see much account information (server names and such). Fortunately, the password is encrypted. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New Browser window (shift double-click)
On Thursday, February 22, 2001, 7:34:34 PM, Dave wrote: I'm a relatively new user of TB v1.49. Here's my problem; when opening a URL from within TB I'd like to force it into a new browser window, assuming the browser is already running. If you're using Win2k, launch Explorer (not IE) and go to "Tools | Folder Options | File Types". Find a "File Type" called "HTML Document" (or by extension "htm" or "html"). Click on the "Advanced" button, and a list of available actions should come up. The one appears in bold is the default action. If the default action is "open", change it to "opennew" (click on it and click the "set default" button). See if that helps. Don't know if this trick works for Win98 or its likes. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Am I expelled?
On Friday, February 23, 2001, 6:56:16 AM, Ming-Li wrote: Indeed those messages eventually came, including my own post, though hours late. Some more reading and found several of my own posts are still missing. They are not on the archive, either, so they never made their ways to the list server, yet. The most probably culprit, as many of you have suggested (here or on TBOT), should be the broken backbone cable between a large part of Asia and Japan (and U.S.). I guess for the next few days or weeks we shouldn't be surprised to see posts (including mine) that are obviously out-of-date. I did some checking of those much delayed messages, and found all of them were delayed between dutaint.com (our mailing list server) and spij.co.id. Syafril has kindly checked his log for me and replied me privately. Due to the broken cable, his ISP's connection with Asia Gateway to US broke, and he had rerouted delivery through spij.co.id. So I gather the delayed delivery from dutaint.com to spij.co.id I observed wasn't really delay, but rescheduled delivery. Since I started it, I think I should clear our list server's name publicly. :-) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New Browser window (shift double-click)
On Friday, February 23, 2001, 10:00:22 AM, SyP wrote:
Ming-Li If the default action is "open", change it to "opennew"
Ming-Li (click on it and click the "set default" button). See if
Ming-Li that helps.
Ah-ha!
I only have Open, Print and PrintTo actions! Would you please tell how
the OpenNew action looks like in your system?
Sure, but I'm afraid it won't be of much use to you. I'm using
IE5.5, and no Netscape is installed (still waiting for Mozilla 1.0).
The OpenNew action information is obviously put in by IE
installation, and is IE specific. In case it's of any use, here it
is:
Application used to perform action:
"F:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe"
Use DDE - checked
DDE message:
[ViewFolder("%l","%l",%S)] - including the square brackets
Application:
Folders
DDE Application not running:
(empty)
Topic:
AppProperties
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Ming-Li
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Am I expelled?
Hello All, I'm joking, of course. I do received messages from TBUDL/TBBETA, except there're too few of them that I went to check the archive, and found I've missed most of the messages for the last day or two. I got only one message yesterday (2/21), which is from Gary and the subject is "Re[3]: AnalogX", then I got another one this morning from Tim with the subject "Re[2]: Move Rule //1/Outbox to //2/Outbox?". Before those two, the last message I got from Thomas Schuster, subject "Re: How to select another eMail address", created on 2/20 23:37 +0100. IOW, for the last 39 hours, I've got only two messages from either list. I've checked my server, they're not there, either. (I keep messages on the server for 1 day, which means messages received on 2/21 should still be there.) Let's see if I'll get this one from myself. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: tbudl member question
On Sunday, February 18, 2001, 6:52:32 PM, Thomas wrote: vwn yesterday i received mess. as usual,today i wanted to get my vwn mail and this happened:i got the normal "retrieving message vwn headers" box,then it took about 30 min. to get 450 mess. , vwn these mess. were all old, from 12-2 to 17-2,no new messages. This usually happens when the previous connection was terminated prematurely. vwn I then selected "delete mess. on server",i then sent myself a vwn mail,and hit f2 again;all 450 mess.got in again + my email vwn mess.. I did see:"deleting mess. on server"appear. So TB did send the "delete" command to the server. Did the session terminate normally (without error message)? You may check the account log to find this out. vwn i did this about 3 times , only after the 3rd time i only got vwn new mess.(but no tbudl) Please check the account log to see what TB says about this last download: is it something like (assuming you got 1 new message) FETCH - 450 messages in the mailbox, 1 new", or 1 messages in the mailbox, 1 new The former indicates there are old messages on the server. Also, when TB is set to delete collected msgs immediately, it records how many msgs are deleted in the log. There's no such information if TB is set to leave mail on server for certain days. You can only tell TB has deleted msgs (that are over certain days old) on server when the number of msgs "in the mailbox" (as recorded in the log) decreases the next session. vwn I then went to another win 2000 system on another partition, vwn installed a new bat,I then selected "delete mess. on server" vwn got my mail,surprise :400 mess, all old except 3 from today vwn (but no tbudl) . then i hit f2 again for the second time,again vwn the same 400 mess. i just can't figure this out . Do you mean 400 literally -- meaning you got about 50 less old msgs than the on the other machine? You'll have to check to see if TB indeed deleted old msgs from another system (see above). If the deletion was unsuccessful or only partially successful, this isn't strange. My best guesses are: 1. your connection with the server was bad and TB had trouble finishing a given task (retrieving and/or deleting msgs) in a session. You should see some error msgs in the log if this is the case. or 2. Your server somehow has trouble deleting msgs. To verify this, you may try the mail dispatcher and see if you can delete messages from there. Or you may try if you can delete messages with another email client. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Kill Filter (was: Peter, DO NOT OVERQUOTE!)
On Friday, February 16, 2001, 8:36:20 PM, Thomas wrote: s How do you make a kill file? or are you talking about a filter s to the trash based on sender? Account / Sorting Office / Selective downlaod Filters. An alternative: create an Incoming mail filter that delete (or send to trash) any message whose sender belong to a certain AB group. Then create create the group in your AB, and put the person you want to kill in it. The downside of this approach is TB still has to download those messages before filtering it, so you don't get to save any download time, but it avoids the disadvantage Thomas mentioned with "selective download" approach. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Documenation woes
On Saturday, February 17, 2001, 8:24:59 AM, Chema wrote: After a couple of months being a silent member of this list, I think Im ready to post. *g* Welcome! I completely agree this, IMO its time to ritlabs stopping developing new version (except of critical bugs) and working a bit on documentation. I'm not sure about this. If v2 is still, say, more than a year away, I would agree with you. If it's a week away, then why bother, since much of the documentation would have to be modified again. If it's anywhere in between, then it depends. My point is, whether to stop developing new version to work on documentation depends heavily on something that we don't know. How close is v2 to the finish line, is anyone's guess. Even RIT folks might not know it for sure. But we as users couldn't possibly know better than they do. As someone in *dire* need of some features promised for v2, I for one would certainly vote for RIT folks to go full speed ahead with v2, though I understand people who are content with the current version might think a better documentation is more important. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cannot access RIT Labs Web site
On Tuesday, February 13, 2001, 2:07:47 AM, Thomas wrote: ML However, some ISP employ transparent caching, and there's ML nothing we can do about it (shorting of switching ISP). So you are saying Chungwa Telecom might have cached the Ritlabs pages in English and in German? It might, though I know nothing specific about Chunghwa Telecom's practice. Considering the facts that 1. the main bottleneck for Taiwan's Internet traffic lies in its international line; 2. the incoming traffic usually dominate the bandwidth; and 3. Few users are willing to set up caching in their own browsers; I wouldn't be surprised if there's a huge transparent cache server right behind the main router(s) sitting at the border. and even in Russian (which I personally accessed for the first time today, just to test it)? Hmm. But seems to be the most likely explanation. I don't think they distinguish the source when they do caching. It's easier they just cache everything, and let data expires on a FIFO basis. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cannot access RIT Labs Web site
On Tuesday, February 13, 2001, 1:02:56 AM, Thomas wrote: DH Concerning IE and NS: Try to empty the cache before reloading DH (that once worked for me in IE 5.x; seems it uses its cache for DH refreshes). I have deleted all files (except fat.db) from the Netscape Cache, started Netscape 4.7, and could still connect to Ritlabs. Clearing your cache folder and hitting the Reload button have the same effect: it tells your browser to request the actual page. However, some ISP employ transparent caching, and there's nothing we can do about it (shorting of switching ISP). -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Export messages
(I'm resending this reply for it has travelled for more than 16 hours without getting to the list. I guess it disappeared in the ether. If it did get through eventually, there would be a dupe, and I apologize for that.) On Wednesday, January 31, 2001, 9:03:32 AM, Jan wrote: Ming-Li I usually prefer unix mbox format over text (of which the Ming-Li format depends on the template of choice), however, for it Ming-Li keeps all the headers and the original received time, Ming-Li making it possible to re-import back into TB when Ming-Li necessary. Thanks, Ming Li. What does the function "export kludges" do then? Does this keep the kludges (headers) with each msg in text form? Sorry for getting back to you so late. No time for email lately. Yes, I believe the "Export kludges" option would export the headers as well (never tried it, though). The difference lies in the format of the text file. Even if you keep everything, TB couldn't import it back if it's not in a certain format. That's why I prefer the unix mbox format. My thought was if I was importing the unix formatted file would I not have to import all of it vs selecting the text of the msg I might need a special reply for in the text formatted file? I know this is not very clear so I hope you can understand what I'm asking? If you want to import only part of a unix mbox file, just use an editor to cut out the part you want, save it as another file, and import it. As long as it's in the right format (starting a message with a "From" line, followed by headers, a blank line, and the message body), it should be imported fine. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49c | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The bat review
On Saturday, February 03, 2001, 2:24:45 PM, Yuki wrote: I'm surprised to hear *this*. g OE displays CJK perfectly in the message list window as well? You can read subject lines? I couldn't do this with the regular version of Outlook, although most of the messages would display perfectly. (There are some messages I get that come in not formatted to Outlook's standards, I guess. Something to do with the placement of the ISO-2022-JP tag, I think, and these I can only read by opening the message and specifying the language code, and then saving them that way.) Now come to think of it, I'm not so sure anymore. It happened when I was trying out TB and Becky. At the same time, I was planning a migration from Chinese Win98 to English Win2k. So for a brief time, I was using them and OE (my old email client) concurrently, switching back and forth between C-Win98 and E-Win2k. I wanted to use English as my default system locale, with traditional Chinese, Simplified Chinese, and Japanese language support installed. I remember I could read/write Chinese (I don't write Japanese) equally well in OE and Becky, including subject lines in message list pane. I wasn't going to stay with OE much longer, so the choice came down to Becky and TB. Despite Becky's excellent DBCS support (perfectly reasonable for a product from a Japanese programmer), I liked TB substantially better. So much so that I was willing to settle for using Traditional Chinese as my default system locale to workaround the DBCS deficiency. Since neither Becky nor OE is on my system anymore, I couldn't verify it. It's a make-or-break issue for me in terms of staying with this client, It's not make-or-break for me for the moment, since I'm in the U.S. and read/write Chinese email only occasionally. It will be in a few months. and being able to recommend it to my Japanese friends. Same here. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49c | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The bat review
On Saturday, February 03, 2001, 9:53:13 PM, Thomas wrote: Errr So does it work with XLAT tables for CJK or not? When I write in Chinese, I want to set the charset to "big5", so it would show up correctly (and automatically) in Chinese in the recipient's email client. I couldn't do that before creating a pair of XLAT tables for big5. So I did. The XLAT tables in fact translate nothing, however. The input and output values remain the same. It's a pair of dummy XLAT tables. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49c | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
