Did you understand that I meant fundamentalist
'Mormons'?
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From:
Terry Clifton
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 27, 2005 14:55
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED
OK then. Now, is there a variance of theological
understanding within mainstream Mormonism? What are the issues?
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Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 27, 2005 20:34
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
DAVEH: I do
:
OK then. Now, is there a variance of
theological understanding within mainstream Mormonism? What are the
issues?
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Hansen
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June 27, 2005 20:34
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From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:29:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
I
In a message dated 6/26/2005 2:12:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
To be totally honest, I cannot say with complete certainty
that mormons are not saved. Maybe
their degree of errancy in their image of God and Christ falls within the
"saved" camp
Blaine: My
David Miller wrote:
DAVEH:
I think you are taking my example out of context,
DavidM. I was trying to point out that right or
wrong, I believe most knowledgeable LDS folks
tend to be a little more homogeneous in their beliefs
than do TTers.
So, I can find cults that
DAVEH: I hope you don't mind me commenting on your explanation to
Lance, Perry..
One major difference LDS folks see between anti-Mormons and
Christians who simply disagree with out theology, is that most
anti-Mormons want to attack our beliefs using by publicly denigrating,
mocking and
DAVEH: Yes Bishop, I'm referring to conformity of beliefs for the
most part. Though I think the unity of faith (harmonious attitudes, as
you put it) play an important role as well.
From our perspective, most LDS folks truly believe our Prophet is
the spokesman for the Lord in our time. So,
DAVEH: LOLnice shot to the ribs, Lance! :-D
Lance Muir wrote:
It is always possible that you have
a belief in the real Jesus while your articulation (teaching/doctrine)
of Him is sort of..well.from another planet.
DAVEH: BTWI just noticed I forgot to
: Debbie Sawczak debbie@kest.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:58:15 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Ah, of course not, but the surgeon still can, and the real Jesus still can. Again: that's the point.But let's not get hung up on the little analogy, it deals only
ts pungent desire to bind the opinions/interpretations of a few onto the many and most accept this calamity without much concern.
JD
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eign to me -- as I understand the biblical message.Differences ofunderstanding need not be divisive.
JD -Original Message-From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:49:43 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
DAVEH: Yes Bishop, I'm
Debbie Sawczak wrote:
Ah, of course not, but the surgeon still can, and the real Jesus still
can. Again: that's the point.
But let's not get hung up on the little analogy, it deals only with
the question of belief. There is no doubt that the real Jesus is who
he is and can act regardless of
Perry wrote:
And if the mormon jesus, like Sasquatch, is a
fictitious being, he can't save them any more
than the sasquatch can operate.
I think the point was that the guy really was a surgeon, but in the mind of
the patient, he appeared very different. In this analogy, the
misperceptions
DaveH wrote:
I believe there is a sense of direction that
TTers really don't have. I really don't see
a unity of faith in TT.
Which is not surprising because not everyone on TT is in the same faith.
Again, I simply caution you against finding value in the homogeniety of
ideas and opinions.
he Trinity Doctrine.
JD
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From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:57:08
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David Miller wrote:
DAVEH:
I think you are taking my example out
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From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:49:43 -0700
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DAVEH:
Yes Bishop, I'm referring to conformity of beliefs for the most part.
Though I think the unity of faith (harmonious attitudes,
responding. If there exists no variance of understanding on important
matters, it would kind of scare me.
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From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 27, 2005 10:19
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
Perhaps I did notreceive this? Repost, please. JD-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:29:32 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
I sent a general message to all Mormons, participants and 'lurkers' alike, wherein I
Message-From: Dave Hansen dave@langlitz.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:19:02 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
knpraise@aol.com wrote:
DAveH --- no need to answer the post sent minutes ago. I have my answer herein.
To my way of thinking -- when "uni
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From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:29:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
I sent a general message to all
Mormons, participants and 'lurkers' alike, wherein I asked a number
then? Or have
you changed your mind? Or am I misinterpreting you now?
Debbie
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
DaveH wrote:
I believe there is a sense of direction
Dont do it, Lancehes
definitely fringey!!! Izzy
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Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 9:15
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Perhaps I did notreceive this? Repost
DAVEH: I do not recall seeing it either, Lance.
Lance Muir wrote:
I sent a general message to all
Mormons, participants and 'lurkers' alike, wherein I asked a number of
questions. It was an attempt on my part to address the issue of
diversity within your tradition. I excluded those
Debbie wrote:
David, I am quite sincerely pleasantly surprised by the
below. It is quite different from the approach I remember
you taking some time ago (I'm talking months), where you
seemed to be saying that God wants us all to think the
same thing. Am I misremembering?
You might be
David Miller wrote:
DaveH wrote:
I believe there is a sense of direction that
TTers really don't have. I really don't see
a unity of faith in TT.
Which is not surprising because not everyone on TT is in the same faith.
Again, I simply caution you against finding
DaveH wrote:
Your sonship discussion is another example that
brings this to mind to me.it is so simple to explain
in LDS theology ...
Considering Jesus to be a created being like any other man might be a simple
explanation, but that does not mean it is true. Such an assumption can only
DAVEH: I think you are taking my example out of context, DavidM. I
was trying to point out that right or wrong, I believe most
knowledgeable LDS folks tend to be a little more homogeneous in their
beliefs than do TTers.
As for your comment]
..From my perspective, it seems like
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
DAVEH: I think you are taking my example out of
context, DavidM. I was trying to point out that right or wrong, I
believe most knowledgeable LDS folks tend to be a little more homogeneous in
their beliefs than do TTers. As for your
comment
k@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 1:03
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
DAVEH: Do you believe salvation is the only
requirement for entrance to heaven, Bill? (BTWI would be most
interested to hear the thoughts of other TTe
) into Jesus as He is? I don't know. What think YE Perry?
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From:
Bill Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 26, 2005 15:06
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Hi Dave,
We would probably have to go into some further
detail as to what
]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:28:13 -0400
Interesting! (there's that word again) Every christian believer believes
'through' an errant framework. One may believe in a geocentric universe or
a flat earth
DAVEH:
I think you are taking my example out of context,
DavidM. I was trying to point out that right or
wrong, I believe most knowledgeable LDS folks
tend to be a little more homogeneous in their beliefs
than do TTers.
So, I can find cults that are even more homogeneous than Mormons. Are
DAVEH: I think you are taking my example out of context, DavidM. I was trying to point out that right or wrong, I believe most knowledgeable LDS folks tend to be a little more homogeneous in their beliefs than do TTers.
Hi Dave. I would agree with this observation. Allowing for the truth of
I appreciate Perry's forthrightness in this post.
JD-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:12:21 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Lance, I agree that "Every christian believer believes 'th
answer to
this.)Debbie- Original Message - From: "Charles
Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:12 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Belief Lance, I agree that "Every
christian believer believes 'through' an errant fram
answer to
this.)Debbie- Original Message - From: "Charles
Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:12 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Belief Lance, I agree that "Every
christian believer believes 'through' an errant fram
answer to
this.)Debbie- Original Message - From: "Charles
Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:12 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Belief Lance, I agree that "Every
christian believer believes 'through' an errant fram
Message -
From:
Debbie Sawczak
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Assuming we have a correct
understanding of Jesus and the Mormons don't, then if on that basis alone we
are saved and they aren't
@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:12:51 -0400
Assuming we have a correct understanding of Jesus and the Mormons don't,
then if on that basis alone we are saved and they aren't, it is our
understanding which has saved us. Like Bill (in a recent post), I can't
hold
Not the truth in my head, though; the truth who is
Jesus.
Debbie
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From:
Terry Clifton
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:09
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Debbie Sawczak wrote:
Assuming we
LOL!!
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From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
A. See, Debbie, what did I tell you? Americans are from the Bigfoot
only crowd :)
Bill
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This is true! But that's just the point: the Sasquatch doesn't walk in,
because he doesn't exist.
Debbie
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From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Debbie
And if the mormon jesus, like Sasquatch, is a fictitious being, he can't
save them any more than the sasquatch can operate.
From: Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:39
quot;Tell them you are a Republican !!"
the herbal dynamo says "Send ME your money and I will get you well."
And George said "Good night Gracie."
JD-Original Message-From: Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:39:43 -0400Sub
- Original Message -
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
And if the mormon jesus, like Sasquatch, is a fictitious being, he can't
save them any more than the sasquatch can operate
DAVEH: Do you believe salvation is the only requirement for entrance
to heaven, Bill? (BTWI would be most interested to hear the
thoughts of other TTers on this as well.)
Bill Taylor wrote:
A very wise friend of mine is keen on
opiningthat there will be
The Mormon church tries to maintain 12 apostles, which I see as
contrary to the New Testament. It fails to recognize the distinctive nature
of the twelve apostles in Scripture and their eternal governmental position,
and it fails to recognize the continuation of apostles beyond 12 as
: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:43:35 -0700
*
This is the problem with the dual meanings that mormons assign to
words...they don't mean what they used to mean. So, we can talk all day
with them about soiritual matters and we think that they are in agreement
with us, when really
DAVEH: I think I fail to understand how you define God,
DavidM. As I understand what you are saying, you do not believe Jesus
was God during his brief time on earth? That doesn't seem right to me,
but if that is how most Christians believe, I'd appreciate you
confirming it.
David Miller
Bill wrote:
The word heresy is typically used to a demarcate a
variance away from the formally established beliefs
or teachings of the Church.
The Church? What is that? Do you mean the Roman Catholic Church?
Bill wrote:
It is possible, I believe, for one to be a heretic in the eyes
of the
or Chalcedon? (I've not failed to note your political 'bent'.)
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 25, 2005 07:45
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Bill wrote:
The word heresy is typically used to a demarcate a
variance
DaveH wrote:
Your above three assumptions are incorrect.
I would appreciate some clarification. Your church's establishment of
12 apostles always seems to have bothered me as being something that preys upon
the unlearned. If I have misunderstood it, please instruct me about
it. Thanks.
DaveH wrote:
As I understand what you are saying, you do not believe
Jesus was God during his brief time on earth? That
doesn't seem right to me, but if that is how most Christians
believe, I'd appreciate you confirming it.
No, Dave, you are misunderstanding me. I believe he was God during
. Why does it bother you that as an anti-Mormonism, you
also meet the definition of anti-Mormon???
Perry
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:43:35 -0700
DAVEH: That's an interesting perspective, DavidM. Since there is not
a lot of detail explained about his life prior to his baptism, I wonder
if you aren't presupposing his ability to do miracles simply because
none are recorded.
Do you believe not Jesus was anointed to be the Messiah prior
Dave,
DAVEH: That's an interesting perspective, DavidM. Since there is not a
lot of detail explained about his life prior to his baptism, I wonder if
you aren't presupposing his ability to do miracles simply because none are
recorded.
Dave, is the above statement logically the same as
DAVEH: DangI wish you hadn't truncated the previous postnow
I've got to dig it out to respond.
:-)
The Mormon church tries to maintain 12 apostles, which I see as
contrary to the New Testament.
DAVEH: The Church maintains a quorum of 12. However, there are at least 3 other
DAVEH: DavidM's beliefs are reflected in his understanding of the word
of God as revealed in the Bible. My beliefs are based in LDS theology,
which recognizes a much broader spectrum of the revealed word of God.
SoI see his presumptions as being based on a narrower database than
mine.
We are mixing apples and oranges, Dave.
Jesus does have a resurrected body, but the God Father is Spirit... that
is, He ain't got no body.
Didn't you tell me in a previous post that we woud discuss these things
based on the Bible? And, didn't you ask if I thought God (the Father) had a
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We are mixing apples and oranges, Dave.
Jesus does have a resurrected body, but the God Father is Spirit...
that
is, He ain't got no body.
Didn't you tell me in a previous post that we
night, Lancey.
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:25:15 -0400
Say goodnight, Gracie!! Is this a comedy routine? Given that you two have
been discussing the content
DAVEH: My memory is failing me on this Perry. Did you give me those
references in the past week or two? Or are you talking about many
months ago? Would you mind posting them again, please? Maybe it will
jog my memory.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
For example the word 'god'. Dave asked me
Not really, Dave. I am tired of trying to reason with you. I am done for a
while.
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:23:50 -0700
DAVEH: My memory is failing me
]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 25, 2005 15:51
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Lancey,
The context has changed from our previous discussions, lance. previously
Dave has alwayss discussed from the viewpoint of his mormon views...but
now
we are discussing strictly in the context
, even by now, have an understanding of one another's meaning
of THAT word?
Yikes!!!
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From: "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 25, 2005 15:51
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Lancey,
The context h
protestant churches in this regard.
JD -Original Message-From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:56:20 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
DAVEH: Don't you find it just a little bit curious that in a parallel post that arrived
: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:56:20
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
DAVEH: Don't you find it just a
little bit curious that in a parallel post that arrived with
yours
Do you think we even
agree as to what the Word
In a message dated 6/25/2005 1:51:29 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lancey,The context has changed from our previous discussions,
lance. previously Dave has alwayss discussed from the viewpoint of his
mormon views...but now we are
discussing strictly in the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do not believe in revelation that is something other than
personal.
DAVEH: May I assume that means you believe the heavens were
sealed sometime in the early first few centuries? Is there Biblical
support that you would
Dave Hansen wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:DAVEH: I've been criticized for my belief in the Bible as far
as it
is translated correctly. Yet it seems there is a vast difference
between some translations. Why some folks would be bothered by my
comment seems strange when one looks at
-Original Message-From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:04:15 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do not believe in revelation that is something other than personal.
DAVEH: May I assume that means
DaveH wrote:
Why it is easy for many Christian to accept that
God was a man, but hard to accept that man can
become like and one with God is what puzzles me.
David Miller wrote:
I don't have a problem with the idea of man becoming
like and one with God. I do have a problem with the
idea of
DaveH wrote:
...I do understand your reluctance to accept my understanding
of the passage, DavidM. With what you know about LDS
theology, does it not fit in? May I ask how you perceive
its message?
I think the message concerns Jesus fulfilling that which the Father revealed
to him as his
DAVEH: Thanx for your perspective on this, Terry. Does that make
you a KJV Only adherent?
Terry Clifton wrote:
Dave Hansen wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:DAVEH: I've been criticized for my belief in the Bible as far
as it
is translated correctly. Yet it seems
David Miller wrote:
DaveH wrote:
Why it is easy for many Christian to accept that
God was a man, but hard to accept that man can
become like and one with God is what puzzles me.
David Miller wrote:
I don't have a
David Miller wrote:
DaveH wrote:
...I do understand your reluctance to accept my understanding
of the passage, DavidM. With what you know about LDS
theology, does it not fit in? May I ask how you perceive
its message?
I think the message concerns Jesus fulfilling
-Original Message-From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 07:52:41 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: Do you believe God could reveal his will to prophets in post Bible times? Or do you believe God
Dave Hansen wrote:
DAVEH: Thanx for your perspective on this, Terry. Does that make
you a KJV Only adherent?
`==Sometimes
I sometimes refer to another version to see how the different wording
might help explain something I
DAVEH: Do you believe God could reveal his will to prophets in post Bible times? Or do you believe God no longer needs prophets to reveal his willeffectively meaning the heavens are closed?
If you had a boss who wrote his instructions down, just to make sure they were followed word by word,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: Thanx for your explanation, John. Do
you believe we have prophets in the church today as well?
Certainly but they are not in the church for the purpose
of giving new revelation ("scripture" if you will). They have enough
to do, I suppose, as
DaveH wrote:
It seems to me that just because Lucifer took a
road of opposition and sought to usurp the power
of God, you are presuming that anybody who
desires to follow the commandments (effectively
to become like God) is also trying to usurp his
power and glory. (And I am sure you don't
DAVEH:
May I presume you believe free agency existed
in the pre-mortal existence?
Yes.
DaveH wrote:
Hmm.That almost sounds like you are denying
Jesus had the power to heal the blind, raise the dead and
do a multitude of other miracles on his own. Are you
suggesting that as a
DAVEH wrote:
May I presume you believe free agency existed in the pre-mortal
existence?
DavidM responded: Yes.
Perry cautioned:
David, be careful here. When a mormon says pre-mortal existence I believe
they mean a little more than you may know. To the mormon I believe that to
say
DAVEH:
Then who is the 12th apostle whose name you say
is engraven in the foundation?
Matthias, of course (Acts 1).
Peace be with you.David Miller.
Perry wrote:
Essentially, you just agreed with the sly ol'
mormon boy that prior to your being born into
a body (pre-mortal state), you believe you had
free agency, along with satan, jesus, and all of
your myriad spiritual siblings. Is that what you
believe?
No, but I think Dave understands
DAVEH: I should probably wait for the Bishop to explain himself on
this, but IF Matthias' name is engraven on the foundation of apostles,
then why would not Paul and Barnabas' names be there as well?
BTW...I'm not doubting your explanation, DavidM. I'm just trying
to figure out why John
Acts 1 will describe why and how they picked Matthias.
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:24:05 -0700
DAVEH: I should probably wait for the Bishop to explain
This is the problem with the dual meanings that mormons assign to
words...they don't mean what they used to mean. So, we can talk all day
with them about soiritual matters and we think that they are in
agreement with us, when really the words mean something different to
them. Like the Queen
-Original Message-From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:40:24 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: Thanx for your explanation, John. Do you believe we have prophets in the church today as well
-Original Message-From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:24:05 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
DAVEH: I should probably wait for the Bishop to explain himself on this, but IF Matthias' name is engraven on the foundation
DaveH wrote:
IF Matthias' name is engraven on the foundation of apostles,
then why would not Paul and Barnabas' names be there as well?
The twelve have a special governmental role that other apostles do not.
Other than Judas being replaced by Matthias, the twelve were never
replaced as they
Sure, John: BT in read
below.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Thursday, June
23, 2005 4:11 PM
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[TruthTalk] Belief
Bill T: Would you mind offering an opinion. Dave makes
some
David Miller wrote:
Thanks, Dave, for the more detailed explanation.
DaveH wrote:
As for God the Father, many (probably most) LDS folks
believe he went through a similar mortal process as we do.
Is this what you personally believe?
DAVEH: Yes, I believe it
DAVEH: Forgive me for interjecting a comment. The problem occurs
when somebody (like Mormons) suggest it is possible for man to become
like God. Why it is easy for many Christian to accept that God was a
man, but hard to accept that man can become like and one with God is
what puzzles me.
ould imply the creation of God, would it not?
JD
-Original Message-From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:25:27 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
David Miller wrote:
Thanks, Dave, for the more detailed explanation.
D
: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
May I respond? First, two cautions:
a) The wideness of God's mercy is a different
question. God's mercy can be infinitely wide even though the gap between
sketches thatstill qualify as the same Jesus cannot be. The effect of
God's mercy is to reconcile
is, at least in part, for the purpose of knowing aright in order
that we might live aright?
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 23, 2005 05:18
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
It is not my 'thoughts' nor my
ie Sawczak
To: Lance
Muir
Sent: June 22, 2005 11:16
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
May I respond? First, two cautions:
a) The wideness of God's mercy is a different
question. God's mercy can be infinitely wide even though the gap between
second point is one with which I
concur.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 23, 2005 06:45
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Not when one approaches both God and His Word
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