cd: Terry here is something for you to consider: Rev:12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the women, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God , and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Saint/Christians keeping the commandment of God? All ten
In this case, at least, IT DOES!!
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 20, 2005 18:30
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To:
If you wish only to be SILLY then, leave the topic alone,
Dean.!
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 20, 2005 18:37
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross
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From:
After receiving some godly counsel and doing our little
bit of shoppingyesterday,I'm backand will oblige JD.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
You believe that the phrase "Christ is the end of the law .." means
one thing and I believe it means something entirely different. Two
opposing
Sometimes you hurt people to help people Dean. I love Judy too. I am
usually on her side in these stupid arguements we are all having. What
I told her was to help her communicate with those who find her so
abrasive. If we can clean up our act, possibly they will clean up
their's and we can
A good word, Terry. I shall attempt to take it to
heart. By the by, just who do you perceive to be the 'liberals' on TT? How is it
that you define 'liberal'? Yikes!! , have I done 'it' already?
- Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes: That is exactly what I am talking about, David.
Jesus said "You have heard it said that you should love your neighbor and
hate your enemy,
but I tell you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you." Jesus
is saying to change.Stop
doing it the
It's hard to give a definition so I will give you an example. I do not
know if you are old enough to remember George Wallace, but he was just
a tad too liberal for me. That is the political picture.
Seriously, I think that liberals are convinced that God is too loving
to send people like Judas
Welcome back, Judy.
Terry
Judy Taylor wrote:
Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes: That is exactly what I am talking about, David.
Jesus said "You have heard it said that you should love your
neighbor and hate your enemy,
but I tell you, Love your enemies, bless them
That's clear enough for me, Terry. One could/ought
pursue this but, I'll leave it there.
thanks,
L
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From:
Terry Clifton
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 21, 2005 08:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday
Sabbath
It's hard to
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From: Barb Annunziello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: December 21, 2005 08:38
Subject: interesting book
Hey there. Hope the week before Christmas is a busy one.Just thought
I'd let you know about an interesting book I got out of the library.
Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Sometimes you hurt people to help people Dean. I love Judy
too. I am usually on her side in these stupid arguements we are all
having.
Thank you Terry; I know you are always well meaning
and I do appreciate that.
What I told her
Another instance of Christendom running to sit at the
feet of the well known and
successful "worldlings" just as soon as they make the
first "christian sounding" baby noise ...
Ms Riceis writing a book like an expert "theologian" before she is even wet behind the
ears.
FYI Ann Rice has a
As Jesus has a homosexual 'son' Judy, I'd not
focus my attention there to begin with. Your other point re:Rice as novice, is
one to take seriously. The believing community tents to celebrate 'celebrity
conversions' too quickly. (I'm not suggestion that she - Anne Rice - is one as I
don't
What is SILLY about the issues Dean raises
Lance?
He only listed a small part of the problem or do
you completely disregard the warnings in scripture having to do
with
both adding to and taking away from the Word of
God? I don't see how you can castigate Mormons while embracing
the
Who is Jesus' homosexual 'son' Lance?
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:05:16 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As Jesus has a homosexual 'son' Judy, I'd
not focus my attention there to begin with.
Your other point re:Rice as novice, is one to
take seriously. The believing
Thanks Terry
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:32:30 -0600 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Welcome back, Judy.TerryJudy Taylor wrote:
Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes: That is exactly what I am talking about, David.
Jesus said "You have heard it said
red white and blue
parrotsperched perfectlyin their flickerin' lightcrossing the
wire from abrushed titanium pole
scratchin'out
words to illumine the sunset, shadethe colors,
controltheabsolute meaningtheir featheredshadows
mustthrow
till they see
thatthe power of lightening in the night
They're adopted sons Judy and, they're all over the
place.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 21, 2005 09:15
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: interesting
book
Who is
I hardly think so Lance,
Sodomites don't inherit the Kingdom over which Jesus is
King - they would need to repent and
reckon the old man dead by His power and grace and move on getting past that lifestyle and
mindset
in which case they would be "former homosexuals" ie
"such WERE some of
I'm taking a 'pass' on this morning's comments by
you. If, at least from my perspective, we've had the conversation previously
then, I'm going to await something more original.
Thanks for the welcome Lance,
However, I don't recall
conversing with you over the homosexual son issue Lance - must not have because
it comes as asurprise to me that your belief system takes you this
far out. Again - What do you mean by
"original" in light of there being
"nothing new
It seems to me,Judy, that the enemy is winning now by getting us all to
bicker instead of reason together. I know that this is not personal,
but I also know that we are so far apart that we can take no prisoners.
It takes time to change one's thinking. If I yell at Lance and tell
him I am
Terry the arbitrator. Terry the mediator. I like
it! The points you make are somewhat similar to those made by David Miller in
his recent post.
- Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 21, 2005 14:30
Subject: Re:
My but, I'd appreciate hearing from Bill Taylor on
this.
Lance
Why Bill Taylor Lance?
Why not read the Bible and see what the apostle Paul,
other apostles and the prophets say about it?
Jesus Himselfhas a lot to say on the
subject.
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:49:54 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My but, I'd appreciate hearing from Bill
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:30:38 -0600 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
It seems to me,Judy, that the enemy is winning now by getting us all to
bicker instead of reason together.
I know that this is not personal, but I also know that we are so far
apart that we can take no
Let me venture a guess , on this one. Perhaps it is "Bill Taylor" because of a certain respect Lance has for Bill's opinion coupled with the fact that this is a discussion forum. This is not an internet Bible class it is a discussion group. The more opinions the better.
jd
--
That's interesting JD.This is called a
Truth Talk List and though discussion is part of it I would hardly
go looking for truth in the opinion's of people.
Even in MD circles opinion can be a precarious thing.
I'm amazing that after having been offered a fountain
of "living waters" anyone
Discussion is not a part of this list -- it is the only rason this list exists. We are here to discuss differing and various ideas centered around the biblical message.
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That's interesting JD.This is called a
John wrote:
... there is nothing that you believe as a
mater of faith that cannot be wrong.
I see it the opposite, John. There is nothing I believe as a matter of
faith that can be wrong. I'm not expecting you to understand this because
of our past discussions about faith. You and I
God is the One who has given me my point of view on faith, David -- therefore it cannot be wrong .He has given me a very detailed response to your post, here, but it will take some time to put it into script. Perhaps this afternoon when I get back from the shop.
The Bishop
--
David,
Regarding your item 2, we might also conclude that Jesus was speaking
specifically to the apostles, and that this does not apply to all believers.
The key is to identify the antecedent of He in verse 16, which I believe
to exclusively be the apostles.
Perry
David wrote:
2. Mark
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Sent: 12/20/2005 10:13:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross
My Jesus, Dean, IS NOT DEFINED by the traditons of men. Was Jesus born of a virgin. Was He , at the same time, the Son of God? Is
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Sent: 12/20/2005 10:06:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath
Weren't we talking about holy day obsevances? You have added a traditional point of view to the text, which is fine, but
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From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/21/2005 7:14:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross
If you wish only to be SILLY then, leave the topic alone, Dean.!
cd: I sense a lot of negative hostilities coming from you Lance -be nice:-)
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From: Terry Clifton
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/21/2005 7:49:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath
Sometimes you hurt people to help people Dean. I love Judy too. I am usually on her side in these stupid arguements we are all having.
Well, duhI guess that means she
didnt call YOU the Accuser. iz
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- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/21/2005 11:31:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: interesting book
They're adopted sons Judy and, they're all over the place.
cd: A Christian Homosexual is a contradiction in terms Lance.God will
cd: I agree Perry.
[Original Message]
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Date: 12/21/2005 5:00:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Who decides
David,
Regarding your item 2, we might also conclude that Jesus was speaking
specifically to the
Congratulations, Blaine. So you are not the first to be
wrong. iz
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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005
6:40 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] sweat
JD, have you ever been born again
of the Spirit? iz
Huh? I can't pray for what I
don't understand because my prayer tongue is English?? !!
My wife prays in tongues. I have been around the experience
for years and years, David.I am just as much in the spirit as my
wife
In a message dated 12/20/2005 3:35:36 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
LDS
history, Blainer.
So, what is it you are concerned about?
Blainerb
By your very presence, Lance, yes you have
defined it perfectly. iz
A good word, Terry. I shall attempt to take it to
heart. By the by, just who do you perceive to be the 'liberals' on TT? How is
it that you define 'liberal'? Yikes!! , have I done 'it' already?
An old novel, Two from Galilee, (the authors name is on the tip of
my brain! Marjorie Holmes???) was delightful, and not worldly at all. Have any
of you read it? izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005
Judy, please try to refrain from
correcting Lances opinion with the truth of Gods Word. Lance
knows better than the Word. izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005
10:31 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Lance is trying to escape what The Word
says on the subject, and he thinks BT will help him do that. (Wont
work.) izzy
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005
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In a message dated 12/20/2005 4:35:53 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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Sent: 12/18/2005 11:24:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] SO THEN it is
safe to assume
But leave the Bible out of it. iz
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005
2:51 PM
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TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: Judy Taylor
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John wrote: ... there is nothing that you believe as a mater of faith that cannot be wrong. I see it the opposite, John. There is nothing I believe as a matter of faith that can be wrong. I'm not
You have equated the nature of God with your own personal
beliefs. I have the Sprit and since the Spirit gives us nothing
but absolute truth, I MUST be right. You need to bring your
faith in line with the truth of the biblical message.
I await your admission of falsehood.,
jd
The RCC is the great whore of
Revelations. I do not serve the god of the RCC. Iz
Revelation 17
1And there
came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me,
saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great
whore that sitteth upon
The Jesus of the Bible is the same as
the one in the BoM and the DC--if you knew the one in the Bible better, you
would recognize him in the BoM and DC--unfortunately, your concepts of him
come from your traditions, which are largely of men. The Mormon Jesus is
one who still has power to
It is only ignored by those arguing with
her. The rest of us are the Silent Majority. J iz
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On Behalf Of Dean Moore
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005
5:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday
JD, do you ever wonder why you accuse Everyone
Else of being arrogant? iz
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6:39 PM
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Subject: Re:
Rev 19: 4Then I saw (H)thrones,
and (I)they
sat on them, and (J)judgment
was given to them And I saw (K)the
souls of those who had been beheaded because of their (L)testimony
of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not (M)worshiped
the beast or his image, and had not
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From:
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Sent: 12/20/2005 10:06:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath
Weren't we talking about holy day
Of course I have. And the illumination of the Spirit's presense is just as great and affirming as anything you might have. I too question your "birth." But God kows for sure and I will leave it in His hands.
jd
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When were you born again, jd? iz
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7:00 PM
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decides
Of course I have.
Blainerb: Hmm, well, at least you are able to spell out why the RCC
Jesus is the same as the Evangelical Jesus. Also, asI said in
another post, if Dean knew the Biblical Jesus as well as he purports to, he
would recognize him in the BoM and the DC. He is the same
as you have indicated
The TruthTalk discussion list is an open forum for discussing Truth. Charles Perry Locke is the moderator for this list. If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the list and engage in the discussions. -- this comes from the home
Your opinion is duly noted.
jd
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The RCC is the great whore of Revelations. I do not serve the god of the RCC. Iz
Revelation 17
1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and
Why do you care?
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When were you born again, jd? iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:00 PMTo:
No argument there brother. Judy has much to offer this group.
Terry
Dean Moore wrote:
cd: I will consider you point-But I
also see a lot of truth being presented correctly by Judy that should
be heeded-and it is ignored.
This is an inaccurate observation.
jd
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JD, do you ever wonder why you accuse Everyone Else of being “arrogant”? iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL
Blainerb: Lance, haven't you learned yet
that if it is advocated by myself or DaveH, it is automatically either
denigrated or in some way discredited. :) You are right, this
topic should have been left alone and chalked up to being just another Christian
interpretation of some Biblical
Because in past posts you seem to have
some confusion about what being born again even means. Sometimes you seem to
say you have not been, while other times you claim you have been. So I wonder
which is true. If you have been born again I would like to hear your
testimony. I didnt know you
Oh, I forgot to except your friends. izzy
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005
7:07 PM
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decides
This is
I am always happy to publish the great
truths of Mormonism on TT or anywhere. :)
Blainerb
In a message dated 12/21/2005 5:57:26 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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Thank you for proving
my point. You are in error because you derive your opinions from false
With paerry's permission, I would appreciate it if you would list the characteristics descriptive of Jesus in Mormon scripture -- not including the KJ Mormon bible. Just your scriptures. Speak as a Mormon, please and not with merely personal conviction.
Thanks,
jd
-- Original
You are spending too much time listening to your own personal bias. Baptism of the Spirit occurs on nearly every occasion I am involved in the singing of song as per Eph 5:18-19. I have even written of my first experience of baptism on this forum.
There is no confusion on my part nor do I
I stated that I do in my original post below.
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:46:19 -0600
Perry, so do you think the He in verse 16 refers only to the
Iz, Here's a
suggestion. Sometime this Christmas season, try putting this sauce on your own
goose:
'..you derive your opinions from false premises,
not Gods Word'
One reason for it?
Evidence suggests that legalism so consumes overwhelms your
belief/sthat you really can't help being
Please dont insinuate that I am trying
anything. I am trying only to clarify. I am NOT speaking about baptism in the
Holy Spirit. I am speaking about being Born Again. I presume you know the
difference. If so, please tell me if and when you were Born Again. Thank you,
jd. iz
Really So only the apostles are saved if they believe and are baptized?
That does not go for anyone since the apostles? iz
-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:24 PM
To:
Excuse me, but were you actually under the
impression that your opinion matters to me??? iz
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005
8:57 PM
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Izzy,
This text addresses only the 11 apostles, to whom Jesus was speaking.
There may be other texts that say the same for other believers that v16 says
for the apostles...but this verse does not. Do you know of any other verses
that apply to all believers?
This verse (16) is often used
Antecedent Perry? Only for the apostles? I know
dispensationalists teach and
believe this way and they
also teach that all four gospels are only for the Jews.
and just like with healing, if we will not believe we
will not receive. Even Jesus
was limited in some places from doing any mighty
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:00:29 + [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:Huh? I can't pray for what I don't understand because my
prayer tongue is English?? !!
The idea JD is that it is an exercise in faith because
we don't know how to pray as we should so the Spiritintercedes for us before
the
I find what you've written right here to be confusing
JD because there is no scriptural pattern for getting the Baptism
of Jesus in the Holy Spirit while "singing a
song". The apostles believe in and practiced the laying on of
hands.
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:34:26 + [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Huh, and they say there is no such thing as absolute truth !!!
jd
-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Iz, Here's a suggestion. Sometime this Christmas season, try putting this sauce on your own goose:
'..you derive your opinions from false premises, not
Linda, you might try reading Mark 16:14-18 before actually making an attempt at an argument from "logic." V. 14 tells us His audience. Who is He talking to? The Christian Church or the 11? A really good second quetion is this: do you think this is the only passage in which the gospel and water
Linda, you might try reading Mark 16:14-18 before actually making an attempt at an argument from "logic." V. 14 tells us His audience. Who is He talking to? The Christian Church or the 11? A really good second quetion is this: do you think this is the only passage in which the gospel and water
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