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[TruthTalk] Cross In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:42:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the best songs I ever heard
DAVEH: Do you suppose the same could be said of those idolizing crosses? All these years on TT and we are just now learning how you really feel about the Cross. How can that be? Have you been shielding us from certain "Truths" because we are Not worthy nor Ready for the Meat of the word? Is it
In a national cemetery, Dave, you will see the cross over those who
claimed to be Christians and a star of David over those who were
Jewish. As I pointed out before, many people claim to be Christians
who are not. They are wannabees who have the desire but not the
faith. The cross does not
The unitythat is shared by these
individuals is found in theirhigh regard for the Word and their
commitment to a living Christ.those two considerations are bigger
than all their differing theologies.
Very well said, John.
Terry
But the fact remains that mormons
don't like the cross
DAVEH: I don't think you quite
understand the LDS perspective, Dean. It is not a matter of us not liking the cross,
but rather it is more an understanding of what the cross did to our
beloved Savior. It is similar in a sense to the great
rather it is more an understanding of what the cross did Is this from a PERSONAL REVELATION DH?The pain caused by the Lord as he was tortured on the cross however, was caused by his enemies. He bore our sins. By the Cross he RECONCILED His Enemies unto Himself. His enemies are not those
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The unitythat is shared by these individuals is found in theirhigh regard for the Word and their commitment to a living Christ.those two considerations are bigger than all their differing
I didn't take it as a personal insult. I knew you didn't have that thought. No apology needed, but yours is appreciated, nonetheless. Fair is fair, Blaine, but I think we both know the rest of the story. You are right -- on TT it is apparently OK to do or say whatever as long as one thinks the
Who is trying to kill you, Blaine, or anyone else JD.
Don't make this into something it's not. The men Jesus was
speaking to were going to stone the adultress to death
but noone said a word about the man and the Law said they
were both to be stoned. As for TT. Mormon
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Who is trying to kill you, Blaine
Have you read the law Bill?
Why didn't these do gooders bring them both to Jesus
since they were both involved in the same
act and they were caught at the same time? The
point of the story is to illustrate their blatant
hypocrisy rather than their
own personal list of failures.
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But the fact remains that mormons don't like the crossDAVEH: I don't think you quite understand the LDS perspective, Dean. It is not a matter of us
, December 14, 2005 3:57 PM
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Have you read the law Bill? Yes
Why didn't these do gooders bring them
both to Jesus since they were both involved in the same
act and they were caught at the same
time? I don't know, Judy; I could
speculate if you like
Well stated, Dean. I liked this part best.
Terry
Dean Moore wrote:
cd: Case and point without the cross
there could be no savior-hence no salvation and as keeping the law was
a failure all were headed to hell-no way to pay
Or should one have Joy that God the Father came down to earth and walked
as a man to teach us truth and to die on the cross for our salvation . . .
Huh?
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mental gymnastics will get you nowhere, Judy. The fact is, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A THOUSAND PEOPLE standing there. Some of them wanted to stone the woman -- but others, I am sure , were not going to participate. But none of that makes any difference. Jesus knows that they are all sinners and in
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In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:42:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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One of the best songs I ever heard was titled, "He Loved Me
with a Cross". iz
One of the weirdest songs I ever heard was //T
All these years on TT and we are just now learning how you really
feel about the Cross
DAVEH: ??? You disagree, Kevin? Are you suggesting that those who do
idolize the cross do not offend Jesus???
Just for so there is no misunderstanding in my thinking about
thisFTRI
it indicates that the deceased desired to be recognized as a
Christian
DAVEH: Whew.that's a pretty broad brush you are painting
with, Terry. Do you think the guys who were buried in this cemetery
.were asked if they wanted to be recognized as a
Christian before they died? To
Well, JW's have their own reasons, I suppose--probably different from
ours. Most JW's despise Mormons, just as they despise all non-JW
Christians. I don't believe we despise your religious tenets--we honor
your right to believe as you wish, we just don't agree with everything you
teach.
hat the morning star is Venus.
Blainerb
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Blainerb:
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As I said to Iz, the cross is deeply
embedded in the Christian psyche. It is in mine as well.But since
you guys have made an issue of the stars thing, it has occurred to me that stars
are better than crosses, and I advocate changing crosses on all Christian
churches to stars--whether 5 or
Why did the LDS "CHOIR" sing songs about the Cross you dispise at general Conference last October?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:42:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the best songs I ever heard was titled, âHe Loved Me with a
The cats out of the bag: Christians Glory in the cross you dispise it since you are of those that the Bible says areENEMIES of the Cross whose END is DESTRUCTION! Galatians 6:14But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto
I think that we have isolated the problem, Dave. You seem to be
thinking like the world instead of as a follower who has taken up the
cross and died to self.
Terry
Dave Hansen wrote:
Those wearing one are sending a message that
they follow Christ.
DAVEH: Unfortunately, they naively
The blood of Christ is what prevails over
satan. Do you deny that? iz
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One of the best songs I ever heard was
titled, He Loved Me with a Cross. iz
One
Yes ! and , by the way, DH, your assessment of the world's point of view on this is neither accurate or relevant.
and this statementborders on insulting:
One of the weirdest songs I ever heard was The Old Rugged Cross. It seemed to glorify the cross in a negative way. I doubt the Lord even to
Then why put them on the "House of the lord"?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you ever see folks put the Inverted Star on their tombsDAVEH: No.stars are not the recognized symbol of death that the cross implies, Kevin. Sothere is no reason to see stars on tombs, unless the person
You act like a guilty man trying to hedge since his wife smelled perfume on his collar! or explain away a mysterious note in his pocket. The use of this symbol by some who are not wise to its Satanic meaning is IRRELEVANT. MORMONISM is like "Masonry, like all the religions, all the Mysteries,
RLDS Temple Could this be the Jedi temple? From the outside, the Jedi Temple appears as a high-raised ziggurat building in a stepped design, with five spires built on top, one taller spire
surrounded by four smaller ones. These spires symbolize a Jedi's
what the cross did to our Savior, why they would want to project a message of torture, suffering and deathis simply incredible to me. That is the "message" That was the PRICE for YOUR SIN Your repentance can never pay that price! The wages of SIN is DEATH that is the Price you can not
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:11 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] CrossIn a message dated 12/12/2005 7:42:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:One
He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows, And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.For John came
You have shown again that you have NO PART in this: Gal 5 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.Your 'god' is such a PIPSQUEAK that a cross killed him. NO One took his life he laid it down WILLINGLY. He was born to die 1 JN 3:16 Hereby perceive we
Blainerb: There are quite a few "cross"
songs in the LDS hymnbook. It is not a bad word, it is just the context in
which it is used. We believe in "taking up our cross," so to speak,
which means we give up the pleasures of the world, and are even willing to
suffer if necessary to live more
Well Blaine?Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You act like a guilty man trying to hedge since his wife smelled perfume on his collar! or explain away a mysterious note in his pocket. The use of this symbol by some who are not wise to its Satanic meaning is IRRELEVANT. MORMONISM is like
Now Kevin, we don't despise crosses, we just like
stars better. :)
Blainerb
In a message dated 12/13/2005 6:12:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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The cats out of the bag:
Christians Glory in the cross you dispise it since you are of those that
the Bible says
Izzy wrote: Yes, a lost person
would think that those lyrics are “weird”, indeed. iz
Blainerb: Well, not totally
weird, but a bit too sentimental for me considering the "ol' Rugged Cross" was,
as the first stanza indicates, "The emblem of suffering and
shame;" I like stars better, even
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Cross
DH, I am surprised at your comments
against the cross. Is your thinking the reason why you folks have
a stick atop your buildings rather than a cross?
jd
Hmmm, JD is right, denigrating the symbols of another's religious beliefs
was wrong. I apologize--apparently I offended JD, although I did so
unthinkingly and without intention. It just came off the top of my
head. Sometimes we get too caught up in proving our opinions and beliefs
are
In a message dated 12/13/2005 9:03:40 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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Then why
put them on the "House of the lord"?
Blainerb: Hmm, well it goes like this, Kevin: One of the
names of Jesus Christ is "The Bright and Morning Star."' Hehas also
been called Wonderful,
Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:35 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: Dave HansenSubject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Cross DH, I am surprised at your comments against the cross. Is your thinking the reason why you folks have a stick atop your buildings rather than a c
You OFFEND Jesus ChristI almost thought you were serious in your Apology tillNow, if I may, I would like to ask for an apology from anyone who supported waving Mormon underclothing in public by the street preachers at general conference in Salt Lake City. And, the same for those who
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Izzy wrote: Yes, a lost
person would think that those lyrics are weird, indeed. iz
Blainerb: Well, not totally weird, but a bit too
sentimental for me considering the ol' Rugged Cross was, as the
first stanza indicates
Except it is not Biblical. (Not that you
would care.) iz
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Isnt it interesting that the mormon
viewpoint about the Cross is the same as the JWitnesses? They also think of it
as an ugly symbol. iz
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But we still think the
cross as a visible symbol of
check out these crosses:
http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/index.html
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Blainerb: There are quite a few cross songs
Might as well admit it Blaine - you Mormon boys
have been sprung. You've got yourselves in a mess over this
one.
This is exactly what happened with my little
friend in Newfoundland Canada. Two good looking Mormon Missionaries had
her and her friend snowed. They said
they were born again
But we still think the cross as a visible symbol of Jesus falls short of what He stands for--the most important of which is resurrection to life in the Kingdom of God--God's life. We do not think that is adequately represented by a cross. It does not matter what you THINK. What matters is what
Again, Blaine, I point out that the cross is not seen or used as a symbol
for jesus. Do you understand that?
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In a message dated 12
Same fatherShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Isnt it interesting that the mormon viewpoint about the Cross is the same as the JWitnesses? They also think of it as an ugly symbol. izFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL
The Mormon pageant in NY is for Gentile consumption and is Squeaky clea, everything is veiled. BUT go to Manti UT and see a pageant where they MOCK Christians, cause it is for Mormon consumptionJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Might as well admit it Blaine - you Mormon boys have been
perhaps you are not worthy or ready for the Full truth?Apostle Packer There is a temptation for the writer or the teacher of Church history to want to tell everything, whether it is worthy or faith promoting or not.Apostle Russel M. Nelson: "Indeed, in some instances, the merciful
times and dates???
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The Mormon pageant in NY is for Gentile consumption and is Squeaky clea, everything is veiled.
BUT go to Manti UT and see a pageant where they MOCK Christians, cause it is for Mormon
DH, your assessment of the world's point of view on this is neither
accurate
DAVEH: I assume you saw the picture of the cemetery with all the
crosses on it, John? (If not, I've posted it below.) Do you think
those crosses indicate that those buried below them are Christians?
Perhaps I am
s a symbol for jesus. Do you understand that?From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:22:51 ESTIn a message dated 12/13/2005 9:03:40 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wr
DAVEH: Oh-oh.I am surprised you would post such
damning evidence of the Christian hypocrisy being fostered on TT,
Perry. Note that Peter's cross...
http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/peter.html
.looks suspiciously similar to Satan's cross. And, it is
You OFFEND Jesus Christ
DAVEH: Do you suppose the same could be said of those idolizing
crosses?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
You OFFEND Jesus Christ
I almost thought you were serious
in your Apology till
Now, if I may, I would like to ask for an apology from anyone
who supported
-- Original message -- From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] DH, your assessment of the world's point of view on this is neither accurateDAVEH: I assume you saw the picture of the cemetery with all the crosses on it, John? (If not, I've posted it below.) Do you think
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One of the
best songs I
I would expect Satan to teach his people to shun the cross...it is
the very instrument of his defeat.
DAVEH: Really? As I see it, the cross was the most successful tool
Satan could devise to torture and kill our beloved Lord. Everything
else he tried failedbut, the cross did the job.
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I would expect Satan to teach his people to shun the cross...it is the
very instrument of his defeat.DAVEH: Really? As
I see it, the cross was the most successful tool Satan could devise to torture
and kill
The COMPLETE absence of the Cross taken in consideration of the Plethora of ANTI Christian and Satanic SYMBOLS shows what this "Restoration" is really made of. Then of course there are the occult RITUALS that are performed inside.Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen [this], O son of man? turn
The PEACE SYMBOL or Cross of Nero - Another sign that mocks the cross of Jesus. Also know as "The Dead Man Rune". It appears on the tombstones of some of Hitler's SS troops. Upside Down Cross - Symbolizes mockery and rejection of Jesus. Necklaces are worn by many satanist's. It can be seen on
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*I would expect Satan to teach his people to shun the cross...it is the
very instrument of his defeat.*
DAVEH: Really? As I see it, the cross was the most successful tool
One of the best songs I ever heard was
titled, He Loved Me with a Cross. iz
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I think you
Christ did not tell us to take up a borrowed tomb, Dave. We are told
to take up our cross. Those wearing one are sending a messsage that
they follow Christ. Those with one marking their grave are saying the
same thing. This, of course, is not always true, but that cannot be
helped. Anything
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I hope you don't mind me intruding on your intrusion. I would expect Satan
to teach his people to shun the cross...it is the very instrument of his
defeat. Besides, Christ himself used the cross as a symbol, as did the
Apostles. If it is good enough
For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of ChristFor the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.And he that taketh not his cross, and
You note you see crosses on Tombs. I was wondering, do you ever see folks put the Inverted Star on their tombs? The one Satanists call the cloven hoof of Statan, which is on your Temples. From: Dave HansenSubject: [TruthTalk] CrossDate: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:15:17 -0800*/What does the CROSS
In a message dated 12/12/2005 3:50:02 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The resurrection was the defeat of
deathand Satan. Removing the guarded stone blocking the entrance,
and rising from the tomb was the symbol of Satan's defeat, Perry.
Perhaps you should
Blainerb: Many Protestants seem to wear the cross as a way to make a
statement of their Christian beliefs, but some, I think, wear it in much the
same was as the Pharisees and Scribes wore phylacteries on their garments, and
prayed in public--to be seen of men.
In a message dated
DAVEH: I did not know that you believed in vampires, Izzy. I was
under the impression that vampires were contrived by Hollywood in order
to suck money (rather than blood) from the pockets of those who naively
think vampires are at all bothered by the cross.
Naturally, I'm anxious to see any
In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:42:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One of the best songs
I ever heard was titled, “He Loved Me with a Cross”.
iz
One of the weirdest songs I ever heard was The Old Rugged
Cross. It seemed to glorify the cross in a negative way.
In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:51:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Vampires
despise the cross also! Read this and cringe, Blaine and DaveH:"The Blood
of Christ, shed on the Cross, prevails." iz
Blainerb: Vampires are, like
Kevins 5-pointed stars, about
an artistic perspective.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
You note you see crosses on Tombs. I was wondering, do you
ever see folks put the Inverted Star on their tombs?
The one Satanists call the cloven hoof of Statan, which is on
your Temples.
From:
Dave Hansen
Subject: [TruthTalk] Cross
Date: Sun, 11
In a message dated 12/12/2005 9:43:10 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kevin
Deegan wrote:
You note you see crosses on Tombs. I was wondering, do you ever see
folks put the Inverted Star on their tombs?
The one Satanists call the cloven hoof of
No doubt aboudit.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blainerb: Many Protestants seem to wear the cross as a way to
make a statement of their Christian beliefs, but some, I think, wear it
in much the same was as the Pharisees and Scribes wore phylacteries on
their garments, and prayed in
enemies of the cross
DAVEH: I suspect you will disagree with me on this Kevin, but I do
not consider myself to be an enemy of the cross. Quite the contrary,
it is simply a device used by God's enemy to kill his Beloved Son. For
that reason, I do not idolize the cross or adorn my body or
What does the CROSS "REPRESENT"
DAVEH: I hope you don't mind me intruding on your discussion with
Blaine, Kevin. This topic is of particular interest to me, as I've
seen quite a few crosses at the sides of highways I travel. Quite
often, they indicate places where people have died, or in the
I think you are missing something important here Dave. The cross, like
the tomb, is empty. Jesus won the victory (for us). The only people
who still have Him on the cross are Catholics. We "Protestants"
celebrate an empty cross. The one we deserved was occupied by another,
but, Praise God, no
LDS prefer Satanic StarsTerry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you are missing something important here Dave. The cross, like the tomb, is empty. Jesus won the victory (for us). The only people who still have Him on the cross are Catholics. We "Protestants" celebrate an empty cross. The
The cross, like
the tomb, is empty.
DAVEH: So why don't Christians hang a symbol of the tomb (stone)
around their neck or decorate their edifices with something less
representative of the tools of God's enemies? As I see it, the tomb
was at least a sacred place, where Jesus' friends were
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