I've been thinking about what Charles said.
In theory we could extend wordpress' trackback mechanism.
I'm not sure exactly how it currently works, but we could basically
just extend it to identify video enclosures and embed those in the
original blog post comments area.
This might be THE
You know. I remember reading somewhere that, when the HTTP
protocol (that the web is build upon) was being designed, they
actually wanted a include a mechanism to keep track of what other
pages were linking to you.
If I recall correctly, the HTTP Referer and yes you're suppose
to
Rather than extending the TrackBack or Pingback protocols, perhaps we
could support the marking of the video (and being the content...
and thus the thing being a video comment) with some Semantic HTML.
I.e., using HTML classes, special HTML elements, and HTML rel and
rev attributes to express
Actually I just remembered that I solved a problem similar to this
when I was writing the VideoPress Video Embed plugin.
The VideoPress Video Embed plugin provide code other people can use to
embed your video on other people's pages.
The thing is, I marked that embed code semantically with a
Charles,
Regarding semantic markup... Indeed.
That's why i made mention of XFN earlier to imply that taking the same
concepts of people relations through semantics (my profiles and
friends profiles and discovering connections), the same should be
applied to the conversations being had among these
comments below
On Feb 4, 2008 6:58 AM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Jay, is this an offer to develop it?
I would be very happy to contribute feedback, design, CSS, light
coding / anything I can just as long as it's either a) open source, or
b) I have some stake in the entity
I think it would need someone who can develop it to do a protype of
the idea in it's most simple form, a proof of concept.
-Mike
On Feb 4, 2008 11:42 AM, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wouldnt say it is that easy, a really intuitive system will need more
thought in this area
than
So Jay, is this an offer to develop it?
I would be very happy to contribute feedback, design, CSS, light
coding / anything I can just as long as it's either a) open source, or
b) I have some stake in the entity building it. I'm just sick of
helping unappreciative companies / people build
I would be nice if, for example, each WordPress (or Show in a Box)
based video blog had a plugin that could show the entire threaded
convo itself.
That way you could see the convo no matter which video blog you were on.
--
Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
http://ChangeLog.ca/
Motorsport Videos
obviously of interest
http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2008/02/urls-are-people-too.html
On Feb 4, 2008 1:40 PM, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think it would need someone who can develop it to do a protype of
the idea in it's most simple form, a proof of concept.
On 02/02/2008, at 8:53 PM, Jay dedman wrote:
when you start talking like tis Adrian, you lose me.
I am understanding the concepts of video commenting and following
the threads.
im in.
fair enough. lose myself too.
I'll think through and try to make a QT mockup to explain what I mean.
Technical question:
ShowinABox + Vpip installation
Got Video Archive set up
Got video comments installed
check
Most recent WordPress install
Here's the subject test page, creating an 'About' page using comments for
dynamic content: http://fauxpress.tv/vlog/?page_id=2#comment-3
Will Vpip not
Here's the subject test page, creating an 'About' page using comments for
dynamic content: http://fauxpress.tv/vlog/?page_id=2#comment-3
Will Vpip not make a popup for video comments? What do I have to do to
accomplish that? Add some code to the comment template?
you must have fixed it.
Just nowhere is it clear where that snippet should go - which css file?
style.css?
That's the right direction.
As a newbie @ WP the placement's just not jumping right out at me.
Thanks, Mr. Dedman.
And Mr. Meade for making it.
Thanks, ShowinABox. it's a kick in my artist-ass.
:)
Jan
On
Sorry, been away from my computer a few days.
So Jay, is this an offer to develop it?
I would be very happy to contribute feedback, design, CSS, light
coding / anything I can just as long as it's either a) open source, or
b) I have some stake in the entity building it. I'm just sick of
helping
comments below
On 2/2/08, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
how does a tracker help me follow conversations across different
sites?
that might be the wrong question. If you could map link structures
between blogs then the patterns that form, and the clusters (eg your
blog
XO - that's what I was looking for Ms. Colan.
:)
Jan
On Feb 3, 2008 1:34 PM, Cheryl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan,
If you're using the Show in a Box variant where you can go to
Presentation Theme Options and select a stylesheet from a dropdown
menu, then don't put the CSS snippet into
how does a tracker help me follow conversations across different
sites?
that might be the wrong question. If you could map link structures
between blogs then the patterns that form, and the clusters (eg your
blog would be a dense node since many others link to it) provide ways
of
On 01/02/2008, at 4:33 PM, Mike Meiser wrote:
I'll have to read up on your word to get your meaning... But I
disagree that when we talk about video commenting we're ONLY talking
about putting videos into comments on people's blogs... I would
suggest we instead include vlog to vlog comments
On 01/02/2008, at 4:33 PM, Mike Meiser wrote:
we could right a book on this subject, I feel it would be more
productive for me to mine for your past comments... are they on here
or on one of your blogs.
hi Mike
some are at http://vogmae.net.au/drupal/thinking but this site is
still being
yeah that would be cool. shiftspace have an api so perhaps it's
something that can be done now/future, not sure. they can replace
images already so the view of the page via shiftspace is different to
the real page. adding layers/dimensions to the web. like a stack.
perhaps a layer to replace your
ShiftSpace is interesting, thanks for the headsUp.
On Feb 1, 2008 10:13 AM, Kath O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
yeah that would be cool. shiftspace have an api so perhaps it's
something that can be done now/future, not sure. they can replace
images already so the view of the page
it's not necessary that comments be posted directly TO the comment box
on a blog post. I personally feel that the best potential of all is
to track and display the back and forth BETWEEN blogs /vlogs using
permalink tracking.
Joe vlogs -- Mary vlogs about Joe's post linking directly to
I would imagine you would see the threaded conversation all on one page.
(Maybe including the whole message... or with links to the messages.)
--
Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
http://ChangeLog.ca/
Motorsport Videos
http://TireBiterZ.com/
Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/
On 02/02/2008, at 3:25 AM, Jay dedman wrote:
H.so are you saying we need some service to do track these
conversations?
tell me how it works from a user's perspective.
yes
how does a tracker help me follow conversations across different
sites?
that might be the wrong question.
It's included in wordpress feeds already. - but I dont think it is
in blogger feeds
On Jan 31, 2008 1:12 AM, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cool.
Example of a comment feed reference from sull's blip feed:
http://sull.blip.tv/rss
item
guid
Blogger just recently allowed commentors to check a box fo follow comments
via email.
Havent any idea what you guys' are taling about, but...
I love it when the coders get all excited.
:)
Jan
On Jan 31, 2008 7:22 AM, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's included in wordpress feeds
YouTube actually has a great API for asking for all comments,
including video comments, for a video. It uses GData.
Does anyone know if Blip has a similar API? I have seen that Blip
offers comments RSS for each post, but most of the time the
conversations are happening at the vlogs,
Asked a slightly different way - what's the difference? What's the
difference between someone's text-based words and someone's video-based
words? I'm thinking you should be able to pull quotes from both.
David
On Jan 31, 2008 11:34 AM, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been
From the archives (back in 2005), here's one possible interface for
displaying video quotes:
http://www.solitude.dk/archives/20051013-0025
It has a big quote mark and a link back to the original.
Made with this: http://www.solitude.dk/archives/linkubator/ (choose the
'video quote' option)
My experience in this realm has been mixed.
All along the spectrum from ecstasy to rage.
Sigh.
Jan
On Jan 31, 2008 12:34 PM, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been cautious in this area..
It's a good question.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asked a slightly different way - what's the difference? What's the
difference between someone's text-based words and someone's video-based
words? I'm thinking you should be able to pull quotes from both.
this would be my instinct as well.
But the newspaper/book industry welcomes others to
fwding to semanal list - I like your idea Jay - what if for week6 (or
choose another week) we all post a video, but we also have to post a
video comment to at least one person who's posted that week. or use
the comment video as your weekly post if you don't want/are too busy
to do 2 videos. so we
From the archives (back in 2005), here's one possible interface for
displaying video quotes:
http://www.solitude.dk/archives/20051013-0025
It has a big quote mark and a link back to the original.
Made with this: http://www.solitude.dk/archives/linkubator/ (choose the
'video quote'
Agreed - a community needs to have a standard of practice in order to,
well... practice! And CC seems to be the way to go. The hard part is this:
videobloggers come in all different varieties. Some are posting thoughts and
conversation-starters (sorta like text blogs). Others think of their posts
Agreed - a community needs to have a standard of practice in order to,
well... practice! And CC seems to be the way to go. The hard part is this:
videobloggers come in all different varieties. Some are posting thoughts
and conversation-starters (sorta like text blogs). Others think of their
something like disqus.com, which deems it important to allow data
export and not be a walled garden using yours and your commenters
content.
On Jan 31, 2008 5:01 PM, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So maybe a part of effective conversations, comments, communication,
is bridging the
gap
or something like ShiftSpace?
http://shiftspace.org/screencasts/intro/ has a demo video. a metadata
layer above webpages - the trails sound interesting. how you can link
up conversations across the metaverse. I think they're at transmediale
atm. there's a few examples on the site.
On Feb 1, 2008
hi all
On 01/02/2008, at 7:48 AM, Jay dedman wrote:
So i think CC licenses is totally important...but can we have Fair Use
if video is being used for criticism, debate, or conversation?
fair use is very weak. As far as I'm aware it doesn't formally exist
here in Australia as a right, more a
On 01/02/2008, at 4:28 AM, Jay dedman wrote:
I think the biggest challenge is getting creators to actually make
video comments.
Youtube has the only video commenting system Ive really seen used.
Most times though, people are just linking to their own videos so they
can ride out the
you should but technically one is trivial computationally the other
much more complicated. Also text has clear standards. Quote marks,
standardised referencing systems to indicate source, right down to
year, page, and object, etc. There is no way to easily indicate this
inside video.
In
in australia it is more or less a 'gentlemen's agreement' (and I'm
pretty sure this is how it gets described) which every now and then
ruffles feathers when one network is perceived to use too much of
someone else's footage or similar. there is no licence, no money, just
a sort of mutual
hi all
Does anyone remember that thing from years ago that was like webpage
graffiti? you could leave notes on webpages, and anyone with the
plugin could see the notes. I remember that whitehouse.gov got more or
less buried under the things...
On 01/02/2008, at 10:12 AM, Kath O'Donnell
On Jan 31, 2008, at 7:14 PM, Adrian Miles wrote:
Does anyone remember that thing from years ago that was like webpage
graffiti? you could leave notes on webpages, and anyone with the
plugin could see the notes. I remember that whitehouse.gov got more or
less buried under the things...
are
On 01/02/2008, at 2:23 PM, Markus Sandy wrote:
are you referring to http://www.mystickies.com/ ?
i think there are several services like this now (sort of defeats the
point)
i recall a firefox plugin
always been surprised that this did not take off more. weren't there
libel issues in
On Jan 31, 2008 3:48 PM, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Agreed - a community needs to have a standard of practice in order to,
well... practice! And CC seems to be the way to go. The hard part is this:
videobloggers come in all different varieties. Some are posting thoughts
and
On 01/02/2008, at 3:58 PM, Mike Meiser wrote:
it's not necessary that comments be posted directly TO the comment box
on a blog post. I personally feel that the best potential of all is
to track and display the back and forth BETWEEN blogs /vlogs using
permalink tracking.
hi Mike
here ye,
On Jan 31, 2008 4:53 PM, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mmm yes thats the sort of problem that I was gibbering about in post the
other day, if
comments and conversations are fragmented across multiple websites, how to
piece that
all back together again and present it in a sane way.
On Jan 31, 2008 10:01 PM, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 01/02/2008, at 4:28 AM, Jay dedman wrote:
I think the biggest challenge is getting creators to actually make
video comments.
Youtube has the only video commenting system Ive really seen used.
Most times though, people
On Jan 31, 2008 10:05 PM, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you should but technically one is trivial computationally the other
much more complicated. Also text has clear standards. Quote marks,
standardised referencing systems to indicate source, right down to
year, page, and object, etc.
comments below
On Feb 1, 2008 12:10 AM, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 01/02/2008, at 3:58 PM, Mike Meiser wrote:
it's not necessary that comments be posted directly TO the comment box
on a blog post. I personally feel that the best potential of all is
to track and display the
comments below
On Jan 31, 2008 10:37 PM, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 01/02/2008, at 2:23 PM, Markus Sandy wrote:
are you referring to http://www.mystickies.com/ ?
i think there are several services like this now (sort of defeats the
point)
i recall a firefox plugin
On 01/02/2008, at 4:33 PM, Mike Meiser wrote:
Are you farmilliar with the Ted Nelson Exanadu project and it's MANY
MANY ill fated inspired projects? It's truely fascinating. A sort of
wikipedia for media concept. EVERYTHING is interefernceable. A sort of
mythic beast / grail quest project
On 2/1/08, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 01/02/2008, at 4:33 PM, Mike Meiser wrote:
Are you farmilliar with the Ted Nelson Exanadu project and it's MANY
MANY ill fated inspired projects? It's truely fascinating. A sort of
wikipedia for media concept. EVERYTHING is
It's not that complex though to track comments.
You follow the permalink.
You parse the page one time... you look for the comment RSS most
platforms have them now. You display all or part of the comments in
the aggregator... maybe as trackbacks, you just take them into
account in the aggregator
and i just checked blip feeds and... good on them ;)
it's in there.
On Jan 31, 2008 12:10 AM, Sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For starters, their should be wide adoption of WFW - Well-Formed Web
wfw:commentRss namespace element.
http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/
For starters, their should be wide adoption of WFW - Well-Formed Web
wfw:commentRss namespace element.
http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/
http://www.sellsbrothers.com/spout/default.aspx?content=archive.htm#exposingRssComments
On Jan 30, 2008 10:56 PM, Mike Meiser [EMAIL
Cool.
Example of a comment feed reference from sull's blip feed:
http://sull.blip.tv/rss
item
guid isPermaLink=false9856168E-BE0C-11DC-A000-B09E966E5011/guid
linkhttp://blip.tv/file/586535/link
titleWhat is it that's driving this?/title
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