Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-08 Thread Jojo Jaro
Straw Man argument. First, the Hawaii authorities are the ones which automatically post all births in the newspaper. During that time, anyone can report a birth to Hawaii authorities even if the birth did not physically occur in Hawaii. Hawaii authorities did not have to verify the reported

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-08 Thread Patrick Ellul
fair enough. On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Straw Man argument. First, the Hawaii authorities are the ones which automatically post all births in the newspaper. During that time, anyone can report a birth to Hawaii authorities even if the birth did

Re: [Vo]:Celani's Ni-H demo at NIWeek2012

2012-08-08 Thread Robert Lynn
Hadn't noticed but Akira linked to Celani's report above. http://www.22passi.it/downloads/PresICCF17_NewA3A.pdf Excellent level of detail, including exact alloy used (isotan44, a constant electrical resistivity alloy) should allow for many replication attempts - and just one flawless public

RE: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-08 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Good debate! This is what freedom of speech is all about. His grandparents were not dumb and knew the benefits of US citizenship. No conspiracy to be POTUS has to be invoked, only that they want their grandchild to be a US citizen is good enough a reason. Agreed. His mother was

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-08 Thread Michele Comitini
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Birth_abroad_to_one_United_States_citizen 2012/8/8 MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net: Good debate! This is what freedom of speech is all about… “His grandparents were not dumb and knew the benefits of US citizenship. No

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-08 Thread Jojo Jaro
Michele, two things: First, the Immigration laws were a bit different in 1963. Stanley Ann Dunham was too young to have conferred to Bambi U.S. Citizenship at that time. Second, Mere U.S. Citizenship does not qualify one to be President. The founding fathers specifically included Natural

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-08 Thread Michele Comitini
Jojo, I know US president must be born on US soil. I do not know enough about Citizenship law to know if the mother was eligible to confer Citizenship to her son, she was 18 at the time. Reading wikipedia seems to say she was eligible in 1961, but as we know wikipedia is far from complete. mic

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-08 Thread Jojo Jaro
Michele, a Natural Born US citizen must fulfill 2 things: 1. Must be born to two US citizen parents. 2. Must be born in US soil. Surely bambi does not qualify for number 1. His alleged father was not a US citizen Second, there is significant question as to where he was actually born. He

[Vo]:CNBC- Squawk Cold Fusion Mention

2012-08-08 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-l, This morning on CNBC Financial News- Squawk Box an interviiew with author Ms Moyo: Winner Takes All ...the host of CNBC asked her what she thought about: Cold Fusion. CNBC is aware..perhaps more than we know...will more mentioning occur ? Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex

RE: [Vo]:CNBC- Squawk Cold Fusion Mention

2012-08-08 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
This morning on CNBC Financial News- Squawk Box an interviiew with author Ms Moyo: Winner Takes All ...the host of CNBC asked her what she thought about: Cold Fusion. CNBC is aware..perhaps more than we know...will more mentioning occur ? Is there a link to the specific article you cite? My

Re: [Vo]:Celani's Ni-H demo at NIWeek2012

2012-08-08 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-07 10:55, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, Please watch this from minute 15:00 onward: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxjxFdFEBsw Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:CNBC- Squawk Cold Fusion Mention

2012-08-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:24 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Is there a link to the specific article you cite? My searches over at CNBC.COM didn't immediately bring up anything. Keyword: Moyo http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000107252play=1 4:47

RE: [Vo]:Celani's Ni-H demo at NIWeek2012

2012-08-08 Thread Jones Beene
This idea that radiation can be stopped in an unshielded robust device is generally incorrect. The claim indicates the proponent is unfamiliar with Maxwell-Boltzmann energy distributions. There are few physical phenomena which are simpler and more certain to measure in tiny amounts than nuclear

Re: [Vo]:CNBC- Squawk Cold Fusion Mention

2012-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Keyword: Moyo http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000107252play=1 4:47 into the vid. (Said with a chuckle.) I think that was a throwaway joke. I do not think anyone there serious meant that cold fusion might be real. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Celani's Ni-H demo at NIWeek2012

2012-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Hadn't noticed but Akira linked to Celani's report above. http://www.22passi.it/downloads/PresICCF17_NewA3A.pdf That's pretty good! I uploaded it already. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:CNBC- Squawk Cold Fusion Mention

2012-08-08 Thread Craig Haynie
It sounded almost like sarcasm. Craig On 08/08/2012 10:14 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Keyword: Moyo http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000107252play=1 4:47 into the vid. (Said with a chuckle.) I think that

[Vo]:My presentation at ICCF17

2012-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Session: [FrM1-3], August 17, 2012 Paper Title: The Future may be Better than You Think Author: Jed Rothwell Abstract: Cold fusion researchers are prone to be unduly pessimistic about the potential for cold fusion. They know too much; they are too close to the problem. They may also have

Re: [Vo]:CNBC- Squawk Cold Fusion Mention

2012-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: It sounded almost like sarcasm. Probably was. We don't need to worry about stuff like this. It causes no harm. The only thing in the mass media that causes harm are reports meant to be taken seriously that are filled with misinformation, such as the

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: I know US president must be born on US soil. That is incorrect. Several recent candidates such as John McCain were not born on U.S. soil. That makes no difference at all. As long as one parent is a U.S. citizen the child is a natural born

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-08 Thread Daniel Rocha
Does that exclude also people who are already president of another country? It would be fun to be president of 2 countries! 2012/8/8 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com That is incorrect. Several recent candidates such as John McCain were not born on U.S. soil. That makes no difference at all.

Re: [Vo]:Celani's Ni-H demo at NIWeek2012

2012-08-08 Thread Alain Sepeda
I've just make quick computation showing, with celani data in the paper and at NIWeek, that : - chemical can be ruled out, even wit 95% anomaly error - if surface is the only active environment, using micrometric particle lead to power density of 10kW/g of powder, 10 times above the claim of Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-08 Thread David Roberson
I thought that since his mother was an American citizen then he automatically was. Is this not the way it pans out? Does the location of birth outside of the USA make one a non citizen? Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l

Re: [Vo]:CNBC- Squawk Cold Fusion Mention

2012-08-08 Thread Ron Kita
Hi Steve, This was the financial cable show CNBC Squawk and Joe Kernan, host, made the comment at 7:10AM. Not sure If there is an on-line transcript. Joe Kernan has an interesting WIKI page. He is a MIT grad and also a former Cancer Researcher. I sent an email to squ...@cnbc.com thanking him

Re: [Vo]:CNBC- Squawk Cold Fusion Mention

2012-08-08 Thread Ron Kita
Vortex-l, We must remember that CNBC rebroadcasted Cold Fusion- Now Hot Againand there is some chance that Joe Kernan may have watched it. Joe..I watch his show daily, and have a feel for his personality--it really don t think it was sarcasm. I think that he wanted a meaningful reply- or

[Vo]:Financial Gurus and the Apple Effect

2012-08-08 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-l, I was debating whether or not to write this post, but it is my feeling that financial gurus want to avoid the Apple Effect. I read Woz and most recently I-Woz, and major corporations dismissed Apple on several accounts. I think it was an HP executive who said that there

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-08 Thread Harry Veeder
When is US soil US soil? Would a person be ineligible if the soil he was born on only became US soil after the person's birth? And what if the soil ceased being US soil after he was born? Instead of a simplistic rule, there should be some meaningful criteria for deciding eligibility. Harry On

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-08 Thread Harry Veeder
and money. ;-) harry On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: why not a vote 2012/8/8 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com When is US soil US soil? Would a person be ineligible if the soil he was born on only became US soil after the person's birth? And

Re: [Vo]:Celani's Ni-H demo at NIWeek2012

2012-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa wrote: Please watch this from minute 15:00 onward: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxjxFdFEBsw That's great! Finally, we are seeing some real progress. I think I'll put in the News section at LENR-CANR.org. If I have time today . . . I'll put a link to Krivit's report as

[Vo]:Communicating cold fusion needs more than words

2012-08-08 Thread Ruby
The issue of communicating information about cold fusion is compounded by the digital environment in which no communication is possible a la Jean Baudrillard and Bob Neveritt. In no future world-line (that I can visualize) will the public be reading science papers on lenr.org; I don't see

Re: [Vo]:Financial Gurus and the Apple Effect

2012-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Ron Kita wrote: I read Woz and most recently I-Woz, and major corporations dismissed Apple on several accounts. I think it was an HP executive who said that there is no market for a personal computer. I think that was the head of DEC. Wozniak offered HP the IP to the apple, because he

[Vo]:My report on NIWeek

2012-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Written in a heck of a hurry: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?p=1330 If anyone thinks I should add something such as a link speak up now. Although, since it is WordPress, I guess I can modify it from Korea or anywhere else. Busy, busy, busy. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Communicating cold fusion needs more than words

2012-08-08 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Ruby, I think your assessment of the information situation is a good one. The only thing I would tack on to your suggestion would be that digital artists with science backgrounds be employed. They DO exist. If I had the time I would avail my services. Unfortunately, I'm currently swamped with

RE: [Vo]:Celani's Ni-H demo at NIWeek2012

2012-08-08 Thread Jones Beene
Note that CEO Dr James Truchard is no newcomer to the field, with his interest beginning in 1989. Can't go back much further than that. Note also that the good Doctor, at 16:53 recommends dropping the names cold-fusion or LENR in favor of quantum reactor ... to me this is tacit admission that

Re: [Vo]:e-cat at 1200°C

2012-08-08 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:14 PM 8/7/2012, Michele Comitini wrote: Hot summer for Rossi. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=679cpage=3#comment-296311 Also : http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=679cpage=3#comment-297077 Andrea Rossi August 7th, 2012 at 4:53 PM To Whom it may interest: After

Re: [Vo]:My report on NIWeek

2012-08-08 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-08 20:02, Jed Rothwell wrote: Written in a heck of a hurry: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?p=1330 If anyone thinks I should add something such as a link speak up now. Celani's /paper/ is more like a lab report rather than a proper paper, in my opinion. As far as I understand he

Re: [Vo]:Celani's Ni-H demo at NIWeek2012

2012-08-08 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-08 20:23, Jones Beene wrote: Note also that the good Doctor, at 16:53 recommends dropping the names cold-fusion or LENR in favor of quantum reactor ... to me this is tacit admission that NI has seen no evidence of nuclear reactions which are even close to commensurate with the

RE: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-08 Thread Ron Wormus
As far as I know a child born to a US citizen is automatically also a citizen regardless of location of birth. I have grand daughters born in Switzerland who have dual citizenship. Ron --On Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:31 PM -0700 MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Good debate!

Re: [Vo]:Celani's Ni-H demo at NIWeek2012

2012-08-08 Thread Peter Gluck
Dreaded or not dreaded, the process is nuclear. Just take a look to Piantelli's opuses or to the paradigm changing presentation of John Hadjichristos today at NI Week. Fortunately it is mildly and intelligently nuclear. Peter On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Akira Shirakawa

RE: [Vo]:Celani's Ni-H demo at NIWeek2012

2012-08-08 Thread Jones Beene
Peter, Can you cite a Piantelli paper where deuterium was absent, but where the transmutation products were well-correlated with excess energy? I think not. This is the same problem that Krivit finds with the lame correlation of helium to excess energy in Pd-D. I'm not saying that Krivit

Re: [Vo]:My report on NIWeek

2012-08-08 Thread Michele Comitini
Jed, You will meet Celani in Korea. Ask him the detailed report he promised. mic Il giorno 08/ago/2012 20:26, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com ha scritto: On 2012-08-08 20:02, Jed Rothwell wrote: Written in a heck of a hurry:

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:e-cat at 1200°C

2012-08-08 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Rossi sez: ... To Whom it may interest: After the validation of the Hot Cat made on July 16th we made today another Third Party Validation, with the Certificator: the results have been the same of the test made on July 16th. The power of the Hot Cat is 10 kW. The maximum temperature we

Re: [Vo]:My report on NIWeek

2012-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Celani's /paper/ is more like a lab report rather than a proper paper, in my opinion. As far as I understand he will make a better version at a later time. I'll just change out the paper in the library. There are two non-watermarked high

Re: [Vo]:My report on NIWeek

2012-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Regarding: http://goo.gl/c8zsz Click on images for full-sized pix. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Celani's Ni-H demo at NIWeek2012

2012-08-08 Thread Peter Gluck
dear Jones, Pisntelli (and FYI the Defkalion process) does not work with deuterium- not at all. It is rather difficult to determine the transmutation products at the Piantelli process. DGTG in their process they are using very good analytical techniques but it is difficult to calculate the

Re: [Vo]:My report on NIWeek

2012-08-08 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-08 21:21, Jed Rothwell wrote: Nice photos! I like where it says HOT! Do not touch. Maybe I will link to this. I forgot this photo from PESN [1] too: http://goo.gl/uh0Je I think you already know every person there, but from left to right they should be: Alexandros Xanthoulis

Re: [Vo]:CNBC- Squawk Cold Fusion Mention

2012-08-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Steve, This was the financial cable show CNBC Squawk and Joe Kernan, host, made the comment at 7:10AM. Not sure If there is an on-line transcript. There is, at the site I referenced. It was obviously done in

[Vo]:Re: Schrodinger Cat out of the Bag

2012-08-08 Thread Chemical Engineer
Just a couple of quick corrections to my previous draft My first instance of 1-8 keV should have read 1-8 TeV (it was correct in the second usage) and A negatively charged singularity would feed preferentially from POSITIVELY charged particles instead of negatively. Sorry for the confusion.

Re: [Vo]:Financial Gurus and the Apple Effect

2012-08-08 Thread David Roberson
I rather suspect that HP did not think that they could make a major profit in this new field. No one estimated the future potential of small computers at that time. Remember the IBM decision to not own their PC operating system due to low volume projections. The first cellular telephones

Re: [Vo]:Celani's Ni-H demo at NIWeek2012 + NANOR Status

2012-08-08 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 10:16 AM 8/8/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Akira Shirakawa wrote: Please watch this from minute 15:00 onward: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxjxFdFEBsw There's a rough transcript at http://ecatnews.com/?p=2291 Photo of some attendees and ID's ... including Alexandros Xanthoulis (Defkalion GT

[Vo]:Celani's recent work - great SEM pics

2012-08-08 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
There are some real nice SEM piccys here: http://www.iscmns.org/work10/Celani.pdf And also very detailed drawings of the reactor. -Mark

RE: [Vo]:Celani's recent work - great SEM pics

2012-08-08 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Oops, my mistake. This paper is about the work up to April 2012, and uses a larger reactor than what was shown at NIWeek. -mi From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 1:11 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Celani's recent work - great SEM

Re: [Vo]:Financial Gurus and the Apple Effect

2012-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I rather suspect that HP did not think that they could make a major profit in this new field. That is somewhat true . . . but they were not stupid. They later jumped in in plenty of time to make money. The early history of microcomputers is well

Re: [Vo]:Storms talk at NPA-19 video

2012-08-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote: Thanks for the comments. Ruby, Excellent! One thing I found interesting is that Ed did not speak of CANR (chemically assisted nuclear reaction). I wonder if his new crack theory has changed his view? T

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPY0skKjJU8feature=player_detailpage Rohnermachine.com Mike and John are the two Rohber brothers who are competing in the development of the Papp engine. John is developing a two cylinder horizontally opposed version of the engine. John does not demo his version

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread pagnucco
Axil, In case you are familiar with the history of this, I have a few questions - Who invited Papp to do the test at Cal Tech? How long did the engine continue to work after the power was removed? If so, could it have been running on battery, or some other storage unit? Was any evidence found in

Re: [Vo]:Financial Gurus and the Apple Effect

2012-08-08 Thread David Roberson
OK, so some engineers and technical people did expect a pretty large volume of PC sales. Too bad you did not act on your assumption or you might be another of the billionaires on record. I would guess that you may have thought that the volume would be enormous, but were not sure. Many of us

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread Axil Axil
I am at the beginning of my study of the Papp effect so I will answer you as I verity the info that is out there. In the Tesla Video, McKubre said that Bob Rohner took the engine completely apart in the middle of a demo and said it was totally clean of fraud. The longest that Bob Rohner saw the

Re: [Vo]:Financial Gurus and the Apple Effect

2012-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: OK, so some engineers and technical people did expect a pretty large volume of PC sales. Yup. They made it happen. They risked inventing cheap printers, for example, hoping there would be a mass market for them. Too bad you did not act on your

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-08 Thread hellokevin
Jojo:   I never thought I'd see 0bama's birth certificate debated here on Vortex.  You've made it a fascinating place to visit for more than one reason.    Regarding #2, who can blame 0bama for holding back his birth certificate when he hasn't been forced to do so?  This begs the question of

Re: [Vo]:Report in US News not bad

2012-08-08 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-08 19:08, Jed Rothwell wrote: See: http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-the-edge/2012/08/08/new-burst-of-energy-could-bring-cold-fusion-to-front-burner How popular / mainstream is that site? And what about oilprice.com? I've read it cover some Rossi news a couple times over the

Re: [Vo]:Celani's recent work - great SEM pics

2012-08-08 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-08 22:20, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: Oops, my mistake. This paper is about the work up to April 2012, and uses a larger reactor than what was shown at NIWeek… -mi I think it's still relevant in this case, however. The NIWeek Celani demo appears to be just a simpler, smaller, stripped

Re: [Vo]:Report in US News not bad

2012-08-08 Thread Frank Acland
US News and World Report was once one of the big 3 US news magazines, along with Time and Newsweek. A few years ago, circulation declines let to the magazine going to a biweekly, or maybe even monthly publication, so it is not as big a name as it used to be -- but it would still be considered a

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine - Feynman

2012-08-08 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:12 PM 8/8/2012, Axil Axil wrote: A first hand eye witness to the Dr. Rickard P. Feynman ill fated demo said Dr. Feynman actually kills that poor unlucky by-stander when he pulled the power plug which in tern disables the control electronics on the Papp engine and the engine

[Vo]:NIWeek 2012 video: Anomalous Heat Effects

2012-08-08 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, This is from National Instruments' official Youtube Channel. - Youtube link: http://goo.gl/WLwhZ Anomalous Heat Effects Listen as Dr. Duncan and Greg Morrow talk about our need to expand our experimental approach to develop more research on anomalous heat effects. These

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine - Feynman,Video

2012-08-08 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Feynman's account is at http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/comments/papparticle2.html Infinite Energy description : http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue51/papp.html Papp demonstrating his engine with a dynonometer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7wZqDQ7Pjg

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On 9 August 2012 02:12, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From a systems engineering standpoint, it is a far better energy system than the Rossi reactor because high efficiency is possible without high heat production. Better, are you serious? This engine would immediately transform Earth

RE: [Vo]:Report in US News not bad

2012-08-08 Thread Craig Brown
Thanks Frank - good to see more and more mainstream acceptance happening. I imagine it will take a lot more to persuade TIME magazine to come to the party. Original Message Subject: Re: [Vo]:Report in US News not bad From: Frank Acland ecatwo...@gmail.com Date: Thu, August 09,

Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

2012-08-08 Thread Jojo Jaro
That is incorrect Ron. A child of one US citizen does not automatically become a US citizen. He has to choose which parent's citizenship he wants when he reaches 21. Besides, Stanley Ann Dunham was too young to have conferred US citizenship to Bambi when he was born. And a Dual Citizen is

Re: [Vo]:Re: Schrodinger Cat out of the Bag

2012-08-08 Thread Jojo Jaro
Stewart, send it over to Vortex-L and many here will look it over. I for one are very interested in looking at this new theory. Jojo - Original Message - From: Chemical Engineer To: c...@googlegroups.com ; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 3:49 AM

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine - Feynman,Video

2012-08-08 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 05:05 PM 8/8/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Feynman's account is at http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/comments/papparticle2.html Infinite Energy description : http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue51/papp.html Papp demonstrating his engine with a dynonometer :

Re: [Vo]:NIWeek 2012 video: Anomalous Heat Effects

2012-08-08 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-09 02:00, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, This is from National Instruments' official Youtube Channel. After watching it in its entirety (I admit I didn't before posting the link here) I can definitely say it's not a very informative video for long-time LENR followers and it

Re: [Vo]:Re: Schrodinger Cat out of the Bag

2012-08-08 Thread Chemical Engineer
Jojo, Thanks. It is a very elegant and simple explanation (I guess that is why it is called a singularity). Einstein in his final years worked in this area. Hawking/Penrose should be thanked as well as all of the others now working on it. In truth, we have been surrounded by the process

Re: [Vo]:Financial Gurus and the Apple Effect

2012-08-08 Thread David Roberson
Those were exciting days. I was hesitant to become more deeply involved by similar logic as you Jed. The peak always appeared to be just over the horizon and I was sure that I would jump in too late! I guess that Apple almost went under at least once, to be rescued by their arch enemy. I

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread Chemical Engineer
Guys, The energy from this device would come from the atomic gas ion collisions in the approx 1 TeV to 8 TeV range and should produce singularities (ion collapse) which quickly evaporate releasing nuclear energy. Just enough and it will purr like a Schrodinger kitten. Too many singularities or

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread Chemical Engineer
Guys, The energy from this device would come from the atomic gas ion collisions in the approx 1 TeV to 8 TeV range and should produce singularities (ion collapse) which quickly evaporate releasing nuclear energy. Just enough and it will purr like a Schrodinger kitten. Too many singularities or

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread Axil Axil
You response confuses me. Jouni said: *Better, are you serious?* Axil thinks: You state the Rossi's reactor is superior in concept. True? Journi said: *This engine would immediately transform Earth Civilization into Star Trek age (by 2014 into Type I and by 2050 even into Type II

RE: [Vo]:Re: Schrodinger Cat out of the Bag

2012-08-08 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Hell yes send it over here! The Collective is all about discussing the fringes. we don't have to worry about 'academic' or 'professional' reputations, so we're open to most all things. and hopefully backed up with some data. -Mark Iverson From: Jojo Jaro [mailto:jth...@hotmail.com] Sent:

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread Axil Axil
Gravitational collapse is not the only process that could create black holes. In principle, black holes could be formed in high-energy collisions that achieve sufficient density. As of 2002, no such events have been detected, either directly or indirectly as a deficiency of the mass balance in

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread Jojo Jaro
Jouni, I will have to take issue with your naive, simpleton, and bigoted comment. You just insulted a whole range of people and I expect an apology. Do you feel you are smarter than Isaac Newton - The father of Modern Physics or Michael Faraday - The father of electromagnetism or Louis Pastuer

RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
I'm glad I watched that video to the end, because the first half brought back bad memories! I and many Vorts have been following the fringe sci/tech world for decades, and the first half of this presentation was VERY poor. reminds me of the charlatans which showed up at the Tesla Society

Re: [Vo]:NIWeek 2012 video: Anomalous Heat Effects

2012-08-08 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-09 02:00, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, A related link: https://decibel.ni.com/content/groups/niweek-2012/blog/2012/08/08/session-recap-the-anomalous-heat-effect-aka-cold-fusion Cheers, S.A.

[Vo]:Philadelphia Inquirer Mentions LENR-CANR.ORG

2012-08-08 Thread Craig Brown
LENR-CANR.ORG gets a mention in Philadephia Inquirer blog.http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/evolution/Climate-Change-Deniers-Not-as-Prolific-as-Cold-Fusion-Proponents.html

Re: [Vo]:NIWeek 2012 video: Anomalous Heat Effects

2012-08-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-08-09 02:00, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, A related link: https://decibel.ni.com/content/groups/niweek-2012/blog/2012/08/08/session-recap-the-anomalous-heat-effect-aka-cold-fusion “At this

RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Mark, I had similar apprehension but the demonstration itself was pretty convincing -I don't think the energy consumption of the ignition ckt was much different open air vs driving a weight up and I agree with Rhoner that the instant reversal of the piston ahead of the weight as

Re: [Vo]:Re: Schrodinger Cat out of the Bag

2012-08-08 Thread Chemical Engineer
Guys, A couple things: Daniel wanted me to clarify my theory some more so here it goes: Things just did not make sense to me about so many confusing fusion theories about all the similar effects. I posed some questions to Abd a few nights ago and he never responded. I joked about a grand

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine - Feynman,Video

2012-08-08 Thread Axil Axil
For the convenience of our readership at vortex I will post a rebuttal to Dr, Feynman's account*.* *http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue51/papp.html* Feynman's Mistakes and the Recovery But at the public meeting the next month at which the fatality occurred (see the local

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread Jojo Jaro
Axil and others, What would it take to commercialize the Papp engine. In other words, what else is needed in terms of development that still needs to be done for the first commercial engine that I can buy from Lowe's. How much money would it take for it to become a real engine that can drive

RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Howdy Fran! Yes, the demo was good, and the reversal of the piston was interesting; seemed to be 'pulled' down to some degree and if that is the case, then there is a physical expansion and contraction going on with the gasses. It was good that they took it apart to show how simple the thing

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread Axil Axil
*What purpose does the coil play? Creating an intense mag-field to align the plasma ions?* The coil acts to center the plasma into the center of the cylinder, directs it into the center of the piston and away from its walls. This protects walls from erosion. The coil also keeps charged

[Vo]:Dr Mallove s Murder, and the Papp Engine= ??

2012-08-08 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings All, IF my memory is correct, that in the time frame of the Murder of Dr Gene Mallove- there was a RUMOR that Gene was about to solve the energy crises with by exposing a great Free Energy Device. Much effort was focused on this. I am speculating that perhaps it some form of Papp

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread Roarty, Francis X
What purpose does the coil play? I posit that it aligns the otherwise random layers of gas into Casimir geometry -forcing the layers into parallel alignments with trapped ions caught between that then become fractionalized [ inverse Rydberg matter] Fran From: Axil Axil

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread Axil Axil
John Rehner has done the same thing that Robert Godes founder of Brillouin Energy has done; create a nanoeceond high power elecric pulse controller. Like any engine, timing is all important. With proper timing the engine will run will with little or no bad nuclear byproducts. What John Rehner

RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Axil wrote: The coil acts to center the plasma into the center of the cylinder, directs it into the center of the piston and away from its walls. This protects walls from erosion. The coil also keeps charged particles: alpha, protons, electrons confined inside the thin plasma channel. Is

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread Roarty, Francis X
From a reply to my blog http://froarty.scienceblog.com/32178/32178/ 1.John Rohnerhttp://www.plasmerg/com on April 5, 2011 at 6:48 amhttp://froarty.scienceblog.com/32178/32178/#comment-59 said: Hello My name is John Rohner and my company is PlasmERG.com (www.plasmerg.com) I am the author of

RE: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-08 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Had to delete the 35KB picture in order for this to get posted. Here is what we have so far: 1. Primarily just noble gases in a closed cylinder at low pressure (1 to several atm). They just bounce around, occasionally bouncing into each other but no chemical nor nuclear reactions

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine

2012-08-08 Thread Axil Axil
From a John Rohner video regarding the geometry of the plasma. The observation about the charge particles seems obvious to me as basic plasma physics and comes from me. Cheers: Axil On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:23 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Axil wrote: “The

[Vo]:Inside of Rohner/Papp plasma chamber...

2012-08-08 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
About 7 minutes into this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zWJNyoFgJM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zWJNyoFgJMfeature=plcp feature=plcp Four electrodes as two sets of opposing electrodes, and each opposing set of two look more or less identical. One set looks to have larger ends, and

Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine: inside piccy

2012-08-08 Thread Axil Axil
These guys don't write things down, they use videos and interviews to communicate, this makes research difficult. I was under the impression that the coil is always active and is not switched off and on. J Rohner uses, Scandium at the tip of his anode for some reason. He also uses four cathodes

Re: [Vo]:Inside of Rohner/Papp plasma chamber...

2012-08-08 Thread Axil Axil
Bob Rohner and Papp before him uses the alpha particles to canalize the plasma. That is to pre-ionize the gas to aid is conduction between electrodes. John Rohner uses a frequency generator to pre-ionize the gas. Cheers:Axil On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:47 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint

Re: [Vo]:Report in US News not bad

2012-08-08 Thread Eric Walker
Le Aug 8, 2012 à 4:53 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com a écrit : How popular / mainstream is that site? I'm not sure how popular the US News and World Report Web site is, but the news organization is well-known for producing a series of college rankings. Every high school

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