At 08:38 PM 8/10/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Baloney. The courts have ruled that a Natural Born US citizen is
one where both parents are US Citizens and born in US soil. And
here you are elevating yourself to a position higher than the
courts. You can not throw away court decisions you don't
Hate speech is when people imply birthers are clueless.
Hate speech is when people call those who believe in Intelligent Design
uninformed.
Hate speech is when people make fun of what people believe.
Calling bambi a criminal is not hate speech, since it is the truth.
Presenting Evidence for
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
**
But I am tired of this. You may have the last word. I will not
be posting this forum anymore. You may celebrate. You win. Go ahead and
destroy this fine forum with your off-topic posts just to gab with
friends.
At 08:31 PM 8/10/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
He imprisoned a decorated American Colonel soldier because he did
not want to reveal his Vault BC.
Okay, here is what Jojo is talking about:
http://www.stripes.com/news/birther-sentenced-to-six-months-in-prison-kicked-out-of-army-1.128924
This is truly
On 2012-08-10 20:23, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello group,
Uh-oh:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=695cpage=1#comment-299596
Andrea Rossi
August 11th, 2012 at 3:35 AM
INFORMATION:
AFTER THE LEAKAGE MADE BY AN INSIDER WITH THE THE NICKNAME “CURES” REGARDING
THE TESTS COMPLETED ON
I'll top-post this reply to make it easier to read:
What I meant is that the device does not look at all convincing, this
release could be Rossi's way of getting some early feedback on the types of
objection that critics are likely to have when he unveils it for his next
set of demonstrations, so
If there was no real disclosure, there was no real patent. All that can be
claimed by those opposing a legitimate patent now is that in jurisdictions
that support first to invent rather than first to file, there is
grounds to deny a patent.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil
On 2012-08-10 20:46, Peter Gluck wrote:
dear Akira
can you send me the original Italian text?
thanks!
Since some people are putting the correctness of my translation into
question, I'm copy/pasting below the original text in Italian so that
everyone can verify for themselves:
Si tratta
Expertise in specialized engineering is confirmed
by review of two URL's:
http://froarty.scienceblog.com/32178/32178/#comment-59
and
http://www.plasmerg.com/ .
Internet search reveals an engineering firm Pempek Systems designed
a 100 kw linear generator powered by an internal combustion head
I now firmly believe Papp/Rohner, Rossi device, DGT, Brillouin, Celini and
others are all generating energy by the exact same Nuclear process and my
prediction of what will come next when the world realizes what this is is
that ALL HEAVEN AND HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE.
The Papp/Rohner device has the
Here is the EXIF metadata from the jpeg image. There is good
information except geolocalization.
mic
Il 11 agosto 2012 15:39, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com ha scritto:
On 2012-08-10 20:46, Peter Gluck wrote:
dear Akira
can you send me the original Italian text?
thanks!
Let me add to that last statement, Generating Energy Matter
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote:
I now firmly believe Papp/Rohner, Rossi device, DGT, Brillouin, Celini and
others are all generating energy by the exact same Nuclear process and my
No, better wording would be The transformation of matter to energy and
vice versa Basic laws of the universe still apply
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote:
Let me add to that last statement, Generating Energy Matter
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:29
On 2012-08-11 16:38, Michele Comitini wrote:
[...] There is good
information except geolocalization.
No need for that. The photo clearly shows that it was taken in Rossi's
lab (?) near Bologna:
http://i.imgur.com/Ul2C7.jpg
Cheers,
S.A.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Ol' Bab
On 8/11/2012 2:11 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
But I am tired of this. You may have the last word. I will not
be posting this forum anymore. You may celebrate. You win. Go ahead
and destroy this fine forum with your off-topic posts just to gab
with
JoJo,
I think you add something to this forum for your technical ability. I have
no comment on the rest.
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 11:16 AM, David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.comwrote:
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Ol' Bab
On 8/11/2012 2:11 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
But I am tired of
A true virtuoso of the all the LENR arts.
Rossi’s latest revelation about his 1200C system tells me a lot about his
relationship with the DOD.
Because of the Navy's need for secrecy in the way it does nuclear based
development is sacrosanct, I could not understand how the DOD would ever
again
That does not jive with what Rossi said. IMO
Andrea Rossi
August 10th, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Dear Luca Coppola:
Do not worry, we never waived our capacity to manufacture indipendently our
plants, and this is the reason why we have success now: we do not need
funding, we are funded by our Customers;
On 8/11/2012 10:41 AM, Chemical Engineer wrote:
Let me add to that last statement, Generating Energy Matter
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Chemical Engineer
cheme...@gmail.com mailto:cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
I now firmly believe Papp/Rohner, Rossi device, DGT, Brillouin,
Celini
Rohner/Papp is confining ions with a magnetic coil to a very small point in
the same way that a void/crack confines ions. I will let you take it from
there. They do not have a bunch of powder around for the gremlin to munch
on and spew out as nuclear goo which dries to ash on his chin...
On
Are you saying that you will be purchasing one of those units? I hope you do
and report on it soon. The price seems very low, and given the possible return
extremely low but still I hesitate to believe in such a thing and need your
testimony. Hope you are not as short on money as I am. I can't
On Aug 11, 2012, at 3:06, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Though the hole you point to does look to be more like 700-800°C it is only a
tiny area, and will be radiating very little energy. Almost the whole
surface is barely starting to have a hint of red - so the
Hello group,
The user who posted a few days ago on Youtube a video about Celani's
demo from NIWeek2012, just uploaded another one on a panel discussion on
LENR featuring several well-known LENR researchers.
Audio quality unfortunately is not very good.
Here's the video link:
At 01:11 AM 8/11/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
This was beautiful. The computer expert who had no clue about lossy
compression (calling it lousy compression, which is the opposite of
what it is), who didn't know how to express scientific notation in
ASCII text, blaming, instead, the primitive
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 5:38 AM, Akira Shirakawa
shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
But maybe I should just stop thinking, stand back and enjoy the show.
This is clearly information intended to be made public.
Rossi is just trying to steal some of the spotlight from PDGTG. Jealous, he is.
T
John Rohner mentioned that brown stuff was found in the engine built for
Papp. My guess is that this stuff was boron. The other element that is
brown is bromine. I would like to know if hydrogen builds up in the noble
gas over time. This would mean that protons are a fusion reaction product.
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 8:33:23 PM
Subject: [Vo]:The original Papp patent.
The original Papp patent. Be warned, it contains many booby traps.
http://freenrg.info/Practical_Guide_FE_Devices/D11.pdf
It looks fairly complete -- down to the exact part
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
integral.property.serv...@gmail.com wrote:
Expertise in specialized engineering is confirmed
by review of two URL's:
http://froarty.scienceblog.com/32178/32178/#comment-59
and
http://www.plasmerg.com/ .
There seems to be
I was thinking about the PAPP engine and had a couple of interesting ideas to
pass on. When I look at the design of the device I see that it has some
similar features of a cross field system. The magnetrons that generate large
amounts of RF at high efficiency are one type of cross field
It is not good form to kick a man once he is down. Why not just cease the
battle and get back to useful posting?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Aug 11, 2012 1:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Unsubscribe
At
The former wireless bipolar TC videos were made using only 3 spiral elements
from each of the three phases sandwiched together, and held unbalanced
amperages on all phases. In order for a balance to be achieved 9 spiral
elements placed as the entire 666 machine was used; and only two of the six
Fairly redundant but interesting. PDGTG says they are presently
working with 50 out of the largest 100 companies in the world. They
want to give something to all the people of the world, rich and poor.
Also interesting is the author of the video, John Abrahamsen, a jazz musician:
In the following video two aspects of time distortion are shown. The first is
the making of a voltage system where the whole is greater then the sum of its
parts. Here it is shown that 13+43.3=69.2, where the numbers express the vector
addition of voltages created in time. The second portion is
David,
I agree, the He ions end up at the intersecting point of the 160 kV plugs
firing (4x40kV per plug) due to the coil. After that POOF (and what ever
that implies)
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I was thinking about the PAPP engine and had a
On 8/11/12 11:20 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
Also interesting is the author of the video, John Abrahamsen, a jazz musician:
bluesmovers.com
I wonder how he became a fan of LENR?
I am a musician. Alien Scientist is a musician. Andrea Rossi is a
drummer. Edmund Storms is a piano player. I
I am working on my Powerpoint, complete with Gremlins
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote:
On 8/11/12 11:20 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
Also interesting is the author of the video, John Abrahamsen, a jazz musician:
bluesmovers.com
I wonder how he became a fan of LENR?
And I forgot to mention Barry Simon who made such a reverent tribute to
Martin Fleischmann with his ensemble!
On 8/11/12 11:40 AM, Chemical Engineer wrote:
I am working on my Powerpoint, complete with Gremlins
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Ruby r...@hush.com
mailto:r...@hush.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote:
Still need those graphical artists to get on-board though.
Surely, you know our own Steven Vincent Van Gogh Johnson:
orionworks.com
I think it is wonderful we have our ready-made band! Damn engineers
are boring as hell.
So,
Yes, I am going to buy a kit. I am also going to go to PowerGen in
December and will look for them. They are backed by McKubre, Bill Clinton,
Harry Reid. I believe only the first guy...
I believe for electrical power generation or running a drivetrain from this
energy source, which I believe
At 09:29 AM 8/11/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote:
I now firmly believe Papp/Rohner, Rossi device, DGT, Brillouin,
Celini and others are all generating energy by the exact same
Nuclear process and my prediction of what will come next when the
world realizes what this is is that ALL HEAVEN AND
OK, I will embrace the uncertainty principle. I can see one of those 1500
hp engines in my boat...
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
At 09:29 AM 8/11/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote:
I now firmly believe Papp/Rohner, Rossi device, DGT, Brillouin,
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, I will embrace the uncertainty principle. I can see one of those 1500
hp engines in my boat...
You have a cigarette boat on Lake Lanier?!?
T
No, I was going to put one of those things on the back of my waverunner...
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com
wrote:
OK, I will embrace the uncertainty principle. I can see one of
On 8/11/12 12:10 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
So, Ruby, how did you get into Cold Fusion? I have written
BluesMover and asked him.
T
1989 Physics student during the fax; but then heard it wasn't real. I
went back to playing music.
2004 While crying about Peak Oil and the demise of
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
2012-08-08_NIWeek_ Defkalion Technical presentation_ J Hadjichristos.pdf
http://www.defkalion-energy.**com/forum/download/file.php?**id=23http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=23
These slides from
At 01:18 PM 8/11/2012, David Roberson wrote:
It is not good form to kick a man once he is down. Why not just
cease the battle and get back to useful posting?
That's a question, so I'll answer. No reason why not, except for
questions like this. I assume the battle is over. Thanks for
From: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 12:20:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hydrogen in Papp
Yes, I am going to buy a kit. I am also going to go to PowerGen in
December and will look for them. They are backed by McKubre, Bill
Clinton, Harry Reid. I believe only
http://inteligentry.com/report.html
(Starts with John v Bob feuding .)
Now that our two cylinder Engines are nearly ready, still some Firmware
enhancements coming and a New DC/DC converter, we are off into the PLANNING for
our next adventure.
We are starting final development on the 6
Here is our Expectations spread sheet
http://inteligentry.com/_files/Projected%20engines%201-3.xls
2-cylinder
Year 1 : $2000 sales price
Year 2 : $900
Year 3 : $500
6-cylinder (1MW) $4000 $2200 $1800 === vs Rossi $1.5M !
12-cylinder (3MW) $14000 $8000 $6000
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote:
1989 Physics student during the fax; but then heard it wasn't real. I
went back to playing music.
Same here; but, I was in engineering. BluesMovers has a physics degree also.
2004 While crying about Peak Oil and the demise of
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Here is our Expectations spread sheet
http://inteligentry.com/_files/Projected%20engines%201-3.xls
2-cylinder
Year 1 : $2000 sales price
Year 2 : $900
Year 3 : $500
6-cylinder (1MW) $4000 $2200 $1800 === vs Rossi
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
Are there vids of these things running? The only one I found was the
original Papp engine.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Intelligentry has a whole bunch. But I don't see a
new 2-cylinder running.
a) assembly of 2-cylinder ... I didn't watch the second one
On 8/11/12 2:20 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
I love the tribute to MF on your web site. Okay, Vorts, ante up and
help Ruby maintain her LENR voice. We don't have a lot of women
helping with the mission:
http://coldfusionnow.org/donate/
I did.
T
Woo hoo! Thank you T. It really helps ALOT.
Terry asks:
Are there vids of these things running? The only one I found was the
original Papp engine.
You're right Terry... I think most here have looked over the years and don't
think anyone has seen one run *continuously*, other than Papp's of course.
Chances are that's why Inteligentry is
Dave, Abd,
FWIW,
I think Jojo possesses considerable intellectual intelligence and presence.
Speaking strictly from a religious POV, it's Gods gift to Jojo. I know I
would not have been able to have kept up with Jojo if I had tried to discuss
many of the OT topics he was interested in
ENG2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EgT3G6lKnofeature=plcp
Nope. He talks about fuelling it, and then at the very end (50 minutes!) he
says there's no reason for them to prove it.
Renting a total of 8 10x20 booth spaces ain't cheap ... have to wait until
December, I guess.
Allen Stirling
Good thinkin' Terry!
Come on fellow Vorts. you've been drinking at the Dime Box Saloon long
enough, time to ante up! If you got PayPal, it takes all of 30 seconds and a
few clicks.
-Mark Iverson
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, August
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/08/the-cures-effect-will-it-help-or-hinder-the-e-cat-cause/
I found at the discussion, from AB:
AB on August 11, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Cures is Domenico Fioravanti: Rossi addresses him as Prof. Fioravanti in
this post.
A facebook user Renzo Barbieri makes a good case that the source of Rossi's
leaked picture is none other than Domenico Fioravanti, the engineer who did
the Oct 1MW testing.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ECat.LENR/
In the first JONP Rossi calls Cures Prof. Fioravanti. In another, Cures
signs
The secret colonel tells his story with Rossi here:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=19#comment-41129
Gentile Dott. Rossi
Ho avuto modo di conoscerla nel 1975 (all’incirca perché gli anni passati
sono tanti). Venni alla Petroldragon presentato dal Prof Boffa del
Politecnico
This is the google translation... I think this is terrible news.. Since
Fioravanti certified the 1MW tests and they are known acquaintences.
Dear Dr. Rossi
I've gotten to know in 1975 (roughly the past years because there are many). I
came to Petroldragon Boffa presented by Professor of the
So, he's a NATO Colonel, a Professor, an engineer the secret customer (used to
certify the 1 MW device), and has a history with Rossi during the PetrolDragon
affair?
ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote:
This is the google translation... I think this is terrible news.. Since
Fioravanti
Did anybody read the 100+ mails between Roger Green, the Australian
E-Cat licencee and Robert K. on shutdownrossi.com?
http://shutdownrossi.com/?page_id=759
Just some more hints as to how the scam might work...
Wolf
So, he's a NATO Colonel, a Professor, an engineer the secret customer (used
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote:
(or at least a couple of free stickers)
My xB will wear them proudly, right next to my Flying Spaghetti Monster emblem.
T
I was asked on another (skeptical) forum how the Papp manages to
transmit all its energy to the crankshaft, and only get warm.
(In the second new-papp video John Rohner said they were planning to
replace the metal piston with a molded plastic / composite piston,
which would self-seal with
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Apologies for reposting admin, but if I post two links at once it will be put
in moderation queue and my last posts just remained there without getting
accepted.
FYI, there is no moderation queue. Vortex-l resides
That sentence I believe was meant for Frank, the admin of
e-catworld.com, on which this was originally posted. It does not refer
to vortex-l moderation.
Andre
On 08/11/2012 08:20 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Apologies
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote:
That sentence I believe was meant for Frank, the admin of e-catworld.com, on
which this was originally posted. It does not refer to vortex-l moderation.
Ah! Tanks!
T
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:34:44 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
(*C12* is C12 in an excited state - it has an additional 15.96 MeV that it*
* *
*desperately wants to get rid of)*
This is only true when the coulomb barrier is up at full strength. But when
the coulomb barrier is
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:41:27 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Setting aside the question of 12C - 11B + p (I'm not sure why that would be a
desirable reaction), there is this interesting paragraph in the Wikipedia
article:
Neither am I, but Axil raised it.
Ordinarily, the
Le Aug 11, 2012 à 5:43 PM, mix...@bigpond.com a écrit :
Ordinarily, the probability of the triple alpha process would be extremely
small. However, the beryllium-8 ground state has almost exactly the energy
of two alpha particles. In the second step, 8Be + 4He has almost exactly the
energy
His interests are far ranging like many people on this list.
In his video interview with Celani he mentions he has an undergraduate
degree in physics.
harry
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote:
On 8/11/12 11:20 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
Also interesting is the author of
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
His interests are far ranging like many people on this list.
In his video interview with Celani he mentions he has an undergraduate
degree in physics.
Indeed, with him on the trumpet and Ruby on the Sax, we have the horn
*If there were no energy penalty to protons (or neutrons) leaving the
nucleus, then the nucleus would fall apart. This doesn't happen.*
The nuclear force (or nucleon-nucleon interaction or residual strong force)
is the force between two or more nucleons. It is responsible for binding of
protons
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 11 Aug 2012 21:52:52 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
The coulomb barrier is symmetric. It take as much energy to leave a
nucleus as it take to get in.
This is clearly not true. If it were then hot fusion wouldn't work, and there
would be no Sun. It takes less energy to
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:56:37 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Does anyone know what the modified probability would be? I believe Rydberg
matter is matter that is in an excited state. Would that be a factor?
In what?
I was exploring a possible mechanism for the Papp
I think that it is symmetrical. If you begin outside of the nucleus and enter
energy is released. If you then reclaim that same amount of energy back to the
nucleus and allow the proton to exit, you will be at the same condition as you
started. The net round trip yields a balanced condition
*“This is clearly not true. If it were then hot fusion wouldn't work, and
there*
* *
*would be no Sun. It takes less energy to get in than it takes to get out.*
* *
*The difference between the two is the net energy of the reaction.”*
I said: “The coulomb barrier is symmetric. It takes as much
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:30:47 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
I think that it is symmetrical. If you begin outside of the nucleus and enter
energy is released. If you then reclaim that same amount of energy back to
the nucleus and allow the proton to exit, you
The reaction energy comes from the binding energy of the nucleus and that
all comes from the strong force: Gluons.
axil
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
*“This is clearly not true. If it were then hot fusion wouldn't work, and
there*
* *
*would be no
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:30:47 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
I think that it is symmetrical. If you begin outside of the nucleus and enter
energy is released. If you then reclaim that same amount of energy back to
the nucleus and allow the proton to exit, you
The barrier is not symmetrical because of radioactive decay only. You get
energy out during radioactive decay (i.e., Alpha decay). This is due to QM
tunneling. At its root, this energy increase comes from the uncertainty
principle and is a matter of pure chance.
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 11:44
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:37:00 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
*This is clearly not true. If it were then hot fusion wouldn't work, and
there*
* *
*would be no Sun. It takes less energy to get in than it takes to get out.*
* *
*The difference between the two is the net energy
As an unconnected observer, I am pleased that there is currently three
known systems that can form the basis of LENR products in the very near
future.
This multiplicity of system’s applications is just what is needed to assure
that at least one product will make it into the marketplace.
Like any
Do you agree that the conservation of mass-energy still holds under radioactive
decay? If not, I need to do some learning.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Aug 11, 2012 11:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:the Coil
The
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:49:43 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
The barrier is not symmetrical because of radioactive decay only.
You started off saying it was symmetrical. ;)
You get
energy out during radioactive decay (i.e., Alpha decay). This is due to QM
tunneling. At its
This is an informative discussion. I think that sometimes we group the coulomb
barrier energy with the energy associated with the strong force once the proton
in inside the nucleus. Once I tried to see if they were separate and could
find no reason that this would be true. I think that both
Axil, I am still attempting to determine the reality of the Papp engine. Are
you convinced that it is working and not misunderstood? I hope that this is
true, but the amount of proof seems a little shy.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l
I don’t think that a screened proton (no charge) has less mass ( aka
energy) as the unscreened proton.
Two screened protons or electrons will attract each other.
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:07 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
This is an informative discussion. I think that
A hydrogen atom has less mass than the two parts due to radiation. This is one
form of shielding.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Aug 12, 2012 12:13 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:the Coil
I don’t think that a screened
My level of confidence in these systems is about the same, but not perfect.
They all need more development. What would be convincing is an independent
long term test. We saw a Papp engine running on YouTube and the explosion
of the Papp engine in the 1966 demo points to over unity power production
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
IMO, FWIW:
Papp first at one,
Hmmm.
Rossi in the middle at two
Hopefully, but, hmmm.
DGTG last at 3.
Hatch 1 IMO.
We shall see.
T
Hopefully, one of the zero point energy guys among us will chow down on
your leg. But you have worn me down and will say no more.
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:05 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:49:43 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
The barrier is not
This is like handicapping the pennant race before the season begins. At
this juncture, there are a lot of unknowns. But like baseball, it is still
fun to prognosticate,
Cheers: Axil
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 11:59
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
This is like handicapping the pennant race before the season begins. At this
juncture, there are a lot of unknowns. But like baseball, it is still fun to
prognosticate,
Opinions are like anii, everyone has one; butt, most
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