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2012-12-20 Thread Jojo Jaro
20, 2012 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell -> about Jaro Jaro trolling Without addressing anything else in this s message, I'll merely stay that all reference to Islam and Muhammad is no sensual and reflects a degree of ignorance that exceeds expectations.

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2012-12-20 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
OL > > So, Go ahead, continue the insults. I will give as much and much more than > I can get. Christmas period is a slow time for me so I'll play along with > your games. But come January, you can play with yourself. > > > > > > > - Origi

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2012-12-18 Thread Jojo Jaro
along with your games. But come January, you can play with yourself. - Original Message - From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" To: Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell -> about Jaro Jaro trolling Hah! I see that when I added the tag

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2012-12-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:23 AM 12/8/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: The pattern is obvious with this spinmiester. It's always elevating some irrelevant aspect of the debate as if it were that important to the discussion. A classic debate strategy I am aware of and quite franky, being employed by lomax with great skill.

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2012-12-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Hah! I see that when I added the tag to the subject, I mispelled Jojo Jaro At 04:14 AM 12/8/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:  So, this libtard from Wisconsin claims that I do not have emotional maturity and that I am 10 or that I did not get feedback and all that crap. O well, if I am a turd, w

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2012-12-08 Thread Jojo Jaro
And, anybody can confirm everything I've said here, if you don't consider Wikipedia as your final authoritative source. LOL ... ----- Original Message - From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" To: ; Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this

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2012-12-08 Thread Jojo Jaro
pic posting. Jojo - Original Message - From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell -> about Jaro Jaro trolling From Dave, ... > J

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2012-12-07 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
>From Dave, ... > Jojo has strong Christian beliefs that we all should respect. I am > sure there are other religions represented here that should be > equally treated. Just to be clear, it is not Jojo's religious beliefs that I am challenging. It is Jojo's inappropriate posting beh

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2012-12-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:37 PM 12/7/2012, you wrote:  As I've always said. Insults from me stop the moment insults do not come my way. He's said that, it's part of his "don't you dare mess with me" approach. Below, I examine the history here to see if Jojo actually does stop as he claims. He doesn't. Inst

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2012-12-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:49 PM 12/7/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: 10 for effort there spinmiester, self-appointed physics expert who do not have a physics degree or any degree for that matter; and now self-appointed arabic etymology expert. Well, in physics I state the obvious, and I do as well so with respect to Arab

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2012-12-07 Thread Jojo Jaro
t up yourself and have fun finding out the truth. Jojo - Original Message ----- From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 3:48 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell -> about Jaro Jaro trolling At 04:00 PM 12/5/2012, Jojo

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2012-12-07 Thread Jojo Jaro
since it certainly does not reflect well upon the members of vortex. Try hard folks. Dave -Original Message- From: Rob Dingemans To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:02 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell -> about Jaro Jaro trolling Hi,

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2012-12-07 Thread David Roberson
2012 2:17 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell -> about Jaro Jaro trolling >From Nature: "On 1 January 2013, the world can go back to emitting greenhouse gases with abandon. The pollution-reduction commitments that nations made as part of the Kyoto Protocol will exp

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2012-12-07 Thread Terry Blanton
>From Nature: "On 1 January 2013, the world can go back to emitting greenhouse gases with abandon. The pollution-reduction commitments that nations made as part of the Kyoto Protocol will expire, leaving the planet without any international climate regulation and uncertain prospects for a future t

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2012-12-07 Thread Jojo Jaro
ecember 08, 2012 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell -> about Jaro Jaro trolling Hi, On 7-12-2012 0:43, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: http://nameberry.com/babyname/Jojo ".full name for pet." Sounds logical for someone who thi

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2012-12-07 Thread David Roberson
: Rob Dingemans To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 1:02 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell -> about Jaro Jaro trolling Hi, On 7-12-2012 0:43, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: h

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2012-12-07 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, On 7-12-2012 0:43, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: http://nameberry.com/babyname/Jojo "...full name for pet." Sounds logical for someone who thinks he is "god" or it's delegate, as it is also of course an anagram for "dog" ;-) . Kind regards, Rob

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2012-12-06 Thread Jojo Jaro
7;t know what to feel. Angry and sorry. Jojo BTW, are you that white dog looking up at me (black dog)? From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 7:43 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell -> about Jar

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2012-12-06 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Abd, Regarding the sacred meaning behind certain names I recently performed scholarly work on the origins of the name "Jojo". My source was the Internet where I get all of my facts. I want you to know that I employed a considerable amount of personal discrimination in the pursuit of my scholarl

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2012-12-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:00 PM 12/5/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: A simple study that anyone can undertake will clearly reveal that Al-Ilyah is the name of the moon god of muhammed's bediun tribe. Well, I'd only seen this idea coming from wing nuts, but I took a look. First of all, the idea is that the "Al-Ilyah" was e

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2012-12-05 Thread Harry Veeder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_the_other_cheek Scriptural reference The phrase originates from the Sermon on the Mount in the New Testament. In the Gospel of Matthew, an alternative for "an eye for an eye" is given by Jesus: 38 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, an

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2012-12-05 Thread Jojo Jaro
der you feel it justified to issue fatwahs to kill those who "insult" muhammed-by telling the truth. Jojo - Original Message - From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell -&g

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2012-12-05 Thread Jojo Jaro
From: "Rob Dingemans" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell Hi, On 5-12-2012 15:27, Vorl Bek wrote: I seem to recall that Jojo has been called a 'bible fanatic' and worse. Do you expect him to quietly put up with

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2012-12-05 Thread Jojo Jaro
: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell -- Jaro Jaro announces intention to violate list rules It is easy to see how wars are waged over religious beliefs... On Wednesday, December 5, 2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 06:43 AM 12/5

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2012-12-05 Thread Jojo Jaro
dense to get it. - Original Message - From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell -- Jaro Jaro announces intention to violate list rules At 06:43 AM 12/5/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: I always s

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2012-12-05 Thread Jojo Jaro
every stupid word. Jojo - Original Message - From: "Vorl Bek" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell I seem to recall that Jojo has been called a 'bible fanatic' and worse. Do you expect him to

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2012-12-05 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, On 5-12-2012 17:04, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: The suppression problem arises easily ... On cold fusion ... That took more evidence. Well said, and therefore free speech and support for it is so important. If you see this (independent of your own political views) also as being importan

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2012-12-05 Thread ChemE Stewart
It is easy to see how wars are waged over religious beliefs... On Wednesday, December 5, 2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 06:43 AM 12/5/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: > >> >> I always say, I never start it, but I will finish it. An insult will be >> responded with an insult. A ridicule with a ridi

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2012-12-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
It is up to the list owner whether or not to tolerate the continued intense trolling for outraged response. Jaro Jaro has acknowledged, in other posts, that he's going to give back what he gets, and he readily exaggerates what he gets, and dredges up whatever he thinks might offend everyone who

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2012-12-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:43 AM 12/5/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: I always say, I never start it, but I will finish it. An insult will be responded with an insult. A ridicule with a ridicule. This bias will be responded with bias from me. From his other posts, "finish it" includes continuing the "response" long a

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2012-12-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:46 AM 12/5/2012, Rob Dingemans wrote: There is no need for them to be threatened at all. It is just a matter of what they are being told, taught and are "believing" into something like the way a religious person does and the workings of the human mind and clever use of psychology and med

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2012-12-05 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
I recently sed: > ... Someone’s got to have the balls to simply say, this is enuf of > this childish behavior. This could be misconstrued as an indirect demand on my part directed at Mr. Beaty to ban Jojo. My apologies to Mr. Beaty. That's not what I meant when I uttered the above statement. I me

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2012-12-05 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, On 5-12-2012 15:27, Vorl Bek wrote: I seem to recall that Jojo has been called a 'bible fanatic' and worse. Do you expect him to quietly put up with that kind of insult? What's wrong with calling somebody a "bible fanatic"? It's just an opinion like any other and should not be treated as a

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2012-12-05 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From Vorl: > I seem to recall that Jojo has been called a 'bible fanatic' and > worse. Do you expect him to quietly put up with that kind of > insult? > > If you don't like what he says, killfile him, but don't call for > his banning because of his less than gentlemanly language; > it makes thos

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2012-12-05 Thread Vorl Bek
I seem to recall that Jojo has been called a 'bible fanatic' and worse. Do you expect him to quietly put up with that kind of insult? If you don't like what he says, killfile him, but don't call for his banning because of his less than gentlemanly language; it makes those who do sound like hypocri

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2012-12-05 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, On 5-12-2012 14:49, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Like others on this list, I filtered JoJo out of my Vortex-l account long ago. I have my limitations. Am not filtering anyone at all and sometimes see and read the postings of such a "lost soul ;-) " as Jojo with lots of a

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2012-12-05 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Like others on this list, I filtered JoJo out of my Vortex-l account long ago. I have my limitations. However if Jojo was recorded to have recently posted phrases like: "What a piece of work you are. Your mother must have really screwed up raising you." For whatever reason JoJo may have

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2012-12-05 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, On 4-12-2012 23:51, Jed Rothwell wrote: It is not enough. You would have to show that hundreds of professional climatologists are being threatened or harassed by these vested interests the way McGuire was. Is that happening? There is no need for them to be threatened at all. It is just a

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2012-12-05 Thread Jojo Jaro
5, 2012 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell Jojo, please moderate your wording and do not insult any member of this rather old community. Wording has to be raised above the kindergarten level, please try! Please understand this is a New Energies forum, any other ad

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2012-12-04 Thread Peter Gluck
*From:* Daniel Rocha > *To:* John Milstone > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 10:02 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell > > I think it is more practical to just ban Jojo. > > > 2012/12/5 Daniel Rocha > >> I'm sorry. This is rath

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2012-12-04 Thread Jojo Jaro
t each of them. Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell I think it is more practical to just ban Jojo. 2012/12/5 Daniel Rocha I'm sorry. Thi

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2012-12-04 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20543483 Ice melt has finally been properly measured. The results show that the largest ice sheet - that of East Antarctica - has gained mass over the study period of 1992-2011 as increased snowfall added to its volume. However, Greenland, West Ant

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2012-12-04 Thread Eric Walker
How did this thread get so long so quickly? I'm impressed. :) After all of that, did anyone's views on the topic change? :) Eric

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2012-12-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:36 PM 12/4/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Of course, what is required to be an expert is often a matter of great debate. . . ." That last point is true, but not so much for hard science. There is a world of difference between someone who has done the work it takes to get a PhD versus an ama

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2012-12-04 Thread Daniel Rocha
I think it is more practical to just ban Jojo. 2012/12/5 Daniel Rocha > I'm sorry. This is rather annoying anyway since I'd have to keep a list of > the enmities. > > > 2012/12/4 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > >> At 11:48 AM 12/4/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: >> >>> Oh, damn! I talk about a possible correl

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2012-12-04 Thread Daniel Rocha
I'm sorry. This is rather annoying anyway since I'd have to keep a list of the enmities. 2012/12/4 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > At 11:48 AM 12/4/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: > >> Oh, damn! I talk about a possible correlation between bible fanatics and >> AGW denial and guess who appears 1 minute later! H

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2012-12-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:48 AM 12/4/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: Oh, damn! I talk about a possible correlation between bible fanatics and AGW denial and guess who appears 1 minute later! HA! Daniel, did you really need to quote him? I've got the fellow in a kill file (i.e, filter) so I don't read his mail normally.

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2012-12-04 Thread David Roberson
, 2012 6:16 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell Jouni Valkonen wrote: It should be obvious that there is politics involved in climate science. There is just too much money and urgency involved. This means also corruption, because science is not clear and it is very

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2012-12-04 Thread David Roberson
Jed I think it is safe to assume in most cases that the climatologists are intelligent, hard working individuals. They are dedicated to doing the best job they can with the tools and knowledge at their disposal and it would be difficult to find a better group. I personally do not want anyone

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2012-12-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen wrote: It should be obvious that there is politics involved in climate science. > There is just too much money and urgency involved. This means also > corruption, because science is not clear and it is very difficult and > everyone wants to see what the wish most. > Absolutely tru

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2012-12-04 Thread Jojo Jaro
ing this logic? Jojo - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell Zell, Chris wrote: In regard to the power of the international banks and their scoff

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2012-12-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote: ** > In regard to the power of the international banks and their scofflaw > privileges, the extreme nature of the situation is kept out of the > mainstream press. . . . > > Take the case of Andrew McGuire - who made the mistake of trying to expose > silver trading manipulatio

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2012-12-04 Thread Jojo Jaro
ca as he destroys every American institution until we are all slaves to commies and godless moon god worshippers. Jojo - Original Message - From: Zell, Chris To: 'vortex-l@eskimo.com' Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:How bad is this new

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2012-12-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson wrote: > You seem to be a guy that likes to think through issues that are of > importance as well. Perhaps you might want to consider the complexity of > the global warming models for a moment. Do you honestly believe that the > software guys have included all of the variables th

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2012-12-04 Thread Zell, Chris
In regard to the power of the international banks and their scofflaw privileges, the extreme nature of the situation is kept out of the mainstream press. It would be too frightening for most people to know just how sociopathic and immune to the law they are. Take the case of Andrew McGuire - wh

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2012-12-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > I'm fully aware that "majority scientific opinion" can be defective -- > cold fusion demonstrates that, as did the fat/cholesterol hypothesis. If, > however, one looks closely at these issues, one can find what Jed proposed. > Those who actually were doing the resear

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2012-12-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:36 AM 12/4/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: People in a given field are sometimes biased against new ideas proposed by outsiders. That is not because they are mistaken about their own ideas. Their own ideas are valid, but the outsider's ideas are an improvement. They oppose the ideas because --

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2012-12-04 Thread David Roberson
4, 2012 2:57 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell David Roberson wrote: It does not take a bible fanatic to question the global warming train wreck. Some of us have worked with complex systems before and realize just how difficult it is to separate out the various

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2012-12-04 Thread Jojo Jaro
sday, December 05, 2012 3:17 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell The primary reasons why the climate is not heating up faster than it has been include oceanic thermal inertia and industrial negative aerosol forcing. There is a lot of water in the ocean and there still

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2012-12-04 Thread Zell, Chris
It is sad indeed to realize that politics and entrenched financial interests dominate science - or what passes for it- but the notion that global warming denial is just triggered by oil companies and the like is naïve. There are powerful interests on the other side - and, in addition, because o

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2012-12-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:25 AM 12/4/2012, Robert McKay wrote: On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 22:02:33 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote: I will grant that in some cases, experts are blinded by their own professional knowledge and by the bias of the field as a whole. That is why many physicists do not believe in cold fusion. But the k

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2012-12-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:02 PM 12/3/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: I do not know enough about climatology to place any bets, but based on what I know about cold fusion and many other difficult areas of science and technology, if I have to bet, I'll stick with the people who do this for a living and who have been looki

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2012-12-04 Thread Jojo Jaro
arming caused by man. Jojo - Original Message - From: Zell, Chris To: 'vortex-l@eskimo.com' Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 3:53 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell I sincerely hope that our civilization is prepared for a possible Carrington

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2012-12-04 Thread fznidarsic
The experts say that a temp rise of more than two degrees will be really bad. -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 2:57 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell David Roberson wrote: It does not take a bible fanatic to question

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2012-12-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson wrote: It does not take a bible fanatic to question the global warming train > wreck. Some of us have worked with complex systems before and realize just > how difficult it is to separate out the various important parameters. Unless you have worked with this particular complex s

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2012-12-04 Thread Zell, Chris
I sincerely hope that our civilization is prepared for a possible Carrington event - that could dwarf any global warming effects. Another point, not often admitted is the possible influence of the TBTJ banks - which largely control governments. They want to profit from running carbon tax/permit

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2012-12-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Lynn wrote: Jed, the argument from authority approach with regard to climate change > doesn't work because there are so many highly educated dissenting voices . > . . No, there are not many. Sorry, but that is not the case. I have read enough about the controversy to ascertain this. Ther

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2012-12-04 Thread ChemE Stewart
xing powers over all of us as this will be the foot in the door that they > always seek. We are an intelligent species and will eventually make the > correct choices. > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: Daniel Rocha > To: John Milstone > Sent: Tue, Dec

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2012-12-04 Thread David Roberson
the foot in the door that they always seek. We are an intelligent species and will eventually make the correct choices. Dave -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:48 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell Oh, damn! I talk

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2012-12-04 Thread Axil Axil
The primary reasons why the climate is not heating up faster than it has been include oceanic thermal inertia and industrial negative aerosol forcing. There is a lot of water in the ocean and there still is loads of ice spread around the world that can cool that water. In the case of oceanic ther

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2012-12-04 Thread ChemE Stewart
ment though. > > > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Daniel Rocha > *To:* John Milstone > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:48 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell > > Oh, damn! I talk about a possible correlation between bible fanatics a

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2012-12-04 Thread Jojo Jaro
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:43:59 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote: Robert McKay wrote: I dont doubt that.. the climatologists themselves arent going to benefit

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2012-12-04 Thread Daniel Rocha
anacial reasons (ie. Research grants), but Jed is > simply deluded, blind and biased for no reason at all. No amount of facts, > statistics and/or sound experiments will convince a person like Jed, It a > religion to these people. > > Jojo > > > ----- Original Message --

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2012-12-04 Thread Jouni Valkonen
It should be obvious that there is politics involved in climate science. There is just too much money and urgency involved. This means also corruption, because science is not clear and it is very difficult and everyone wants to see what the wish most. However, Jed is very right that overall ideas

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2012-12-04 Thread Jojo Jaro
n to these people. Jojo - Original Message - From: "Robert McKay" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:43:59 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote: Robert McKay wrote: I dont doubt that.. the clim

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2012-12-04 Thread Daniel Rocha
It's interesting that AGW denial and Christian creationism are cultural phenomena which is more intensely seen among USA citizens than elsewhere in the world, with a reasonably educated population. I wonder if there is correlation between those.

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2012-12-04 Thread Robert Lynn
Jed, the argument from authority approach with regard to climate change doesn't work because there are so many highly educated dissenting voices, so many examples of deficient analysis work in Climatology (check out Climate Audit), and yet seemingly so little interest in improving woefully bad scie

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2012-12-04 Thread ChemE Stewart
Weak anthropic principal at work. Nobody complained during last major ice age because we were not around. We live at a privileged time. Luckily, black holes suffer from indigestion which is why we are alive today. Stewart Darkmattersalot.com On Tuesday, December 4, 2012, Robert McKay wrote: > O

Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell

2012-12-04 Thread Robert McKay
On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:43:59 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote: Robert McKay wrote: I dont doubt that.. the climatologists themselves arent going to benefit much either way (although Im sure many of them make a modest livings out of it - and thats not nothing these days). Theyre merely needed to produc

Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell

2012-12-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert McKay wrote: I don't doubt that.. the climatologists themselves aren't going to benefit > much either way (although I'm sure many of them make a modest livings out > of it - and that's not nothing these days). They're merely needed to > produce those tedious reports.. they just need to kee

Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell

2012-12-04 Thread a.ashfield
Jed, I don't have a PhD in LENR either, but I believe it exists even though the mainstream doesn't. Possibly my opinion is worth little. The IPCC forecast has been falsified. It doesn't take a genius to understand that. The link I gave to Lucia's site "The Blackboard" has covered that in excru

Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell

2012-12-04 Thread Robert McKay
On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:36:50 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote: IMO you dont need to know anything about climate science to understand global warming - its all about politics and banking (imagine a global economy underpinned by financial products where the only underlaying deliverable . . . Frankly, th

Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell

2012-12-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert McKay wrote: > > I will grant that in some cases, experts are blinded by their own >> professional knowledge and by the bias of the field as a whole. That >> is why many physicists do not believe in cold fusion. But the key >> > > That's pretty much exactly the problem with climatologists

Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell

2012-12-04 Thread Robert McKay
On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 22:02:33 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote: I will grant that in some cases, experts are blinded by their own professional knowledge and by the bias of the field as a whole. That is why many physicists do not believe in cold fusion. But the key That's pretty much exactly the problem

Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell

2012-12-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
a.ashfield wrote: > > I have been following the subject fairly closely. I'm not about to start > yet another discussion on AGW. I've written hundreds of posts on that > already. That the IPCC forecast has been falsified for the average of the > models and most of the individual models you can

Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell

2012-12-03 Thread a.ashfield
Jed, I have been following the subject fairly closely. I'm not about to start yet another discussion on AGW. I've written hundreds of posts on that already. That the IPCC forecast has been falsified for the average of the models and most of the individual models you can read about on Lucia'

Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news?

2012-12-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
a.ashfield wrote: > > Perhaps more to the point, global temperature has not risen for 16 years > falsifying the IPCC forecast. > You may be referring to the UK Met data that supposedly showed no rise in surface temperature. That is a mistake. The person who made that claim chose the wrong starti

Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news?

2012-12-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
Unless you are a tree... Trees will rule in the next Century... I could not afford a beach house anyway...:) On Monday, December 3, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: > a.ashfield 'a.ashfi...@verizon.net');>> wrote: > > More crap. Without "polluting" CO2 there would be no life on this planet. >> > > W

Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news?

2012-12-03 Thread Peter Gluck
even more interesting is with the microelements as Cobalt, this was the subject of my wife's diploma work in Chemistry. but many other elements are necessary for life. Peter On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > a.ashfield wrote: > > More crap. Without "polluting" CO2 there wo

Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news?

2012-12-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
a.ashfield wrote: More crap. Without "polluting" CO2 there would be no life on this planet. > Without salt in your body you would die. However, if you sat down and ate a kilogram of salt, that would kill you. In biology, a substance that is essential in one amount may be poisonous in a much lar

Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news?

2012-12-02 Thread David Roberson
pm Subject: [Vo]:How bad is this news? More crap. Without "polluting" CO2 there would be no life on this planet. Perhaps more to the point, global temperature has not risen for 16 years falsifying the IPCC forecast. Six years ago, the story was there has been no temperature rise for 1

[Vo]:How bad is this news?

2012-12-02 Thread a.ashfield
More crap. Without "polluting" CO2 there would be no life on this planet. Perhaps more to the point, global temperature has not risen for 16 years falsifying the IPCC forecast. Six years ago, the story was there has been no temperature rise for 10 years but that is not enough for a trend. You

[Vo]:How bad is this news?

2012-12-02 Thread fznidarsic
Subject: more bad news http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/02/climate-change-study-emissions_n_2228646.html