This is a suggestion and a request for feedback regarding testing and
development of the Papp engine.
It seems to me that a potential cost effective way to get the Papp piston
instrumented to record how it reacts to experimental detonations of various
gas mixtures is to use a Single-Axis, High-g,
Axil,
A Muon event will exhibit a Green Glow:
http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/phys200/lectures/icecube/icecube.html
Would be a good explanation in case Russ is Popping Matter in that
device, which I think he might be...
Stewart
Darkmattersalot.com
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Axil Axil
Popper at:http://noble.scienceontheweb.netTiny
Russ Gries has released a new research video titled #14, to pin down what
the green glow is.
This glow develops after the spark discharge occurs. Russ wants to find out
how the glow forms and how it relates to pre-ionization of the second
follow on spark.
Why are there five gases included in the Papp engine gas mix?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Paschen_Curves.PNG
In 1927 Penning (Figure above) measured the breakdown voltage of a neon
discharge as a function of pressure and distance between the electrodes.
The result is known
For noble gas plasma see:
http://noble.scienceontheweb.net/
M.
I agree with the collisions triggering the effect
On Saturday, October 20, 2012, Mint Candy wrote:
For noble gas plasma see:
http://noble.scienceontheweb.net/
M.
One interesting observation that has come out of Russ’s experimentation so
far is that a large high energy electron charge persists for a long time
after an initiating high powered instantaneous spark discharge occurs.
Russ has seen charge ionization last for a very long time.
The signs that
Good stuff, couple of comments.
I think Papp used his surrounding coil to help remove the charged particles
to prevent the buildup he is seeing.
Are you sure those are only electrons creating the blue aurora? Many types
of cosmic charged particles should do that.
Melatonin Research
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15485549
It is pretty well understood that dark matter and energy are striking earth
constantly in the form of Neutrinos and probably WIMPS - they are still
looking for them all pelting us during solar storms. In My research, I
believe have
While it certainly makes sense that dark matter melatonin tablets would
carve out crop circles in the shape of their constituent molecules, this
only opens up even more enigmatic questions such as: Do the dark matter
melatonin pills come in 3mg or 10mg?
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, ChemE
5 Mg dosage works best. Why would some dumbass draw a Melatonin molecule
in a field?
I guess I could be boiling quarters or popping air with champion spark
plugs in my garage...
Does everybody realize how weird we all sound?
FYI, update on my Hurricane prediction from 9/25:
The Good:
Some of
*Russ’s popper experimentation has shown some useful engineering details
regarding systems that use arching in a hydrogen atmosphere.*
* *
*The popper will become contaminated with tungsten powder after a
relatively small number of arc discharges are done by Thoriated Tungsten
Electrodes at high
I agree. I think it will alter any material on earth it comes into contact
with over a period of time. Will need disposable parts...
On Friday, October 12, 2012, Axil Axil wrote:
*Russ’s popper experimentation has shown some useful engineering details
regarding systems that use arching in a
Greetings Vortex-L,
Shock Wave Disc Engine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_disk_engine
Respectfully,
Ron Kita, Chiralex
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=FIrjnrTYofc
Russ tries helium in video 12.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=FIrjnrTYofc
Russ tries helium in video 12.
Cheers:Axil
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
If shockwave production is central to the Papp reaction, it may be
possible to build a Papp generator
If shockwave production is central to the Papp reaction, it may be
possible to build a Papp generator without the need for a piston.
Here is my reasoning:
When the spark fires, a shock wave will form, expand, and travel down the
length of the tube. This wave is comprised of a shockwave front of
Is video proports to show a device where the transmutation of noble gas is
going on based on the Papp reaction..
For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwQIioZig2Q
Cheers:Axil
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:46 AM, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Vortex,
Some updates on
Absurd conclusion in this video!
The is absolutely zero evidence for conversion of neon gas to argon in this,
or in any Papp discharge. LOL.
What idiots. With 2 minutes of googling - they could find that neon also has
two strong violet lines.
, 2012 1:34 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
I said ...Papp engine self-powered I was talking about the Papp
engine. This info is in his patent. This was the reson why the Papp engine
exploded in the finemen incident when the power to the controls was removed.
Papp would
Von: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Gesendet: 7:55 Sonntag, 30.September 2012
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
I think it would help if people are more careful to
not conflate various anecdotal evidence. I'm all for the success
Sonntag, 30.September 2012
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
I think it would help if people are more careful to not conflate various
anecdotal evidence. I'm all for the success and/or reality of the Papp
engine, but it is not helpful to our credibility if we start playing loose
with our
In other words, Krytron technology.
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
To optimize gas performance, I recommend a spark rise time under 50
nanoseconds with a very short duration to produce the most powerful
explosive and forceful expansion of the gas.
...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 3:02 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
It's not exactly a proof of principle - and in fact it is closer to a
disproof of principle.
He gets little to no effect from the Noble gas mixture, but gets an
interesting effect
Observing all the trouble Papp went to during the fueling of his engine, it
is rather difficult to believe that the noble gas was a mere stage prop.
See:
http://inteligentry.com/shared/PappW/4-Fueling.mp4
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
**
Funny, but
I think James could be correct that the choice of noble gases is NOT a stage
prop.
However, and once again - keep in mind that Papp used radium as his prime
energy source, and his patent makes this clear... the noble gases he used
could have been important but ancillary in a surprising way.
Radiation is just some hand waving that Papp used to confuse and
eventually kill off the competition.
I had a belief that hydrogen fusion was going on until yesterday. But when
I watched Video #11, I got the feeling that a shock wave was involved. Russ
increased the voltage(energy) of his spark
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
Unless both Papp and the Rohners are engaging in disinformation... both are
telling us to use what doesn't work, and even specifically saying that H
doesn't work when in fact is the only gas that does work.
-mi
_
From
For the third time: Check out Krytron technology!!! It used a small amount
of radioactive Nickel to speed the rise time of the discharge. Papp almost
certainly used Radium for the same purpose.
Quoting Spark Gap and Triggered Gap
Tubeshttp://www.electricstuff.co.uk/sparkgaps.html
:
The krytron
What's to check out? We've been there done that over the years with
krytrons - and it is a complete dead end, as is the modern-day Papp engine.
BTW Papp had no surplus capital, and would not have patented any device as
having radiation, only to fool competitors. even if there were any
My response to Axil was prompted by his hypothesis that the critical
parameter was minimizing rise time and peak power of the ignition pulse.
The efficiency of the pulse generator is of virtually no significance if
it is an ignitor of a larger energy source. I'm not saying I believe
Axil's
OK. I agree that -in general- fast rise times and shock waves can explain
overunity in pulsed systems, if it exists. Big if. But the efficiency of
the PS (power supply) is always critical in these systems, if any gain is to
be derivative from acceleration.
And first foremost, one must show
Don't go gettin' all Davis on my punk-ass just because I mentioned
discontinuity in the context of anomaly. I did mention nuclear.
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
OK. I agree that -in general- fast rise times and shock waves can explain
overunity in
Although, come to think of it, didn't William O. Davis do his initial
theoretic work at EGG?
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:15 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't go gettin' all Davis on my punk-ass just because I mentioned
discontinuity in the context of anomaly. I did mention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWiWftGknIlist=UULuDKTNDFfat7iO7KGE7fQAindex=1feature=plcp
Russ
got the popper to work using hydrogen in a proof of principle exercise. The
force produced by the hydrogen gas expansion is substantial and there also
seems to be an electric charge feedback happening.
It's not exactly a proof of principle - and in fact it is closer to a
disproof of principle.
He gets little to no effect from the Noble gas mixture, but gets an
interesting effect from hydrogen. It is probably a hydrino effect. The
violet color is indicative of UV emission, which is the signature
Video #11, tends to support my belief that the power, force, and speed of
gas expansion is inversely proportional to the duration of the spark. When
the duration of the spark is short, the compressive force of the gas grows
large. A very short spark is a powerful spark. This powerful spark will
...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWiWftGknIlist=UULuDKTNDFfat7iO7KGE7fQAindex=1feature=plcp
Russ got the popper to work using hydrogen in a proof of principleexercise. The
force produced
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWiWftGknIlist=UULuDKTNDFfat7iO7KGE7fQAindex=1feature=plcp
Russ
got the popper to work using hydrogen in a proof of principle exercise. The
force
-
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWiWftGknIlist=UULuDKTNDFfat7iO7KGE7fQAindex=1feature=plcp
Russ
got the popper to work using hydrogen in a proof
@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
Video #11, tends to support my belief that the power, force, and speed of gas
expansion is inversely proportional to the duration of the spark. When the
duration of the spark is short
, September 30, 2012 7:58 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
Video #11, tends to support my belief that the power, force, and speed of
gas expansion is inversely proportional to the duration of the spark. When
the duration of the spark is short, the compressive force of the gas grows
large
PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
One point about the energy balance that you have not considered is the amount
of energy contained in the feedback current that Russ is seeing when the plasma
is relaxing. This current jumped an air gap, blew out all his high powered
diodes
Axil janap...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Sunday, September 30, 2012 12:58 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
One point about the energy balance that you have not considered is the
amount of energy contained in the feedback current that Russ is seeing when
the plasma
inventions that were granted patents.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
I said ...Papp engine self-powered I was talking about the Papp
engine. This info
Russ has conducted his first attempt at the Papp popper replication of Bob
Rohner. More to come...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=zYNW9gbgySg
Cheers: Axil
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Rwg42085 has built a replica of
It seems like a credible effort.
- Jed
-
From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
Russ has conducted his first attempt at the Papp popper replication of Bob
Rohner. More to come...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kugCCqo5FBElist=UULuDKTNDFfat7iO7KGE7fQAindex=1feature=plcp
Russ shows us the Popper kit he just received from J Rohner.
Cheers:Axil
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Russ has conducted his first attempt at
Crystal forms of water, at least metal, at ambient temperature like he
exposes, requires pressures similar, although slightly smaller, than those
of metallic hydrogen:
http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29713
2012/9/21 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
Note, this doesn't mean I believe their claim.
2012/9/21 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
Crystal forms of water, at least metal, at ambient temperature like he
exposes, requires pressures similar, although slightly smaller, than those
of metallic hydrogen:
Has anyone tried applying Krytron techniques to get the rise time smaller
while increasing the efficiency? Yeah, I know... WMD, DHS, etc. The
problem is when we get into these high energy fast pulse systems, there is
little you can do but step on some toes.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:46 AM, ecat
Thanks Brad,
A deluxe popper, indeed ! Even if the open-source part is in doubt, the need
for a miracle is not.
It will be interesting to see the energy balance, in the end. I hope that
Russ will strive to provide that, even if a rough estimate. Otherwise this
device may linger in the collective
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