Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns by local (Hong Kong) movement affiliate regarding free speech and access to Wikipedia in Hong Kong

2020-05-21 Thread Jane Darnell
Scary! Is there any way Wikimedians can help to get the message out to people? On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 5:31 PM William Chan wrote: > Dear all, > > There is now a bill in the "deliberation" process of the Chinese People's > Political Consultative Conference ("CPPCC"). This bill is named as "Hong

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comment Open on U.S. Open Access Policy

2020-04-23 Thread Jane Darnell
Yes this remains a problem. The only thing I can think of is that in our current gig economy reputation is everything and timeliness of information feedback is more and more important. I think publicly funded research deserves both public access and proper attribution throughout the whole

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia was edited from the ISS

2019-12-29 Thread Jane Darnell
I believe Andy arranged for this to happen and there is a blog out there somewhere Sent from my iPad > On Dec 28, 2019, at 11:37 PM, Pine W wrote: > > Hi Yury, > > I saw some excitement from people regarding this edit. However, I for one > have been hesitant to make wider announcements about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "The Foundation does not care so much of the French-speaking contributors"

2019-09-17 Thread Jane Darnell
t; campaigns, and video campaigns. We will also consider proposals outside of > these categories, such as software development. > I hope I have clarified a little what I meant, which is basically that WMF > is so useful that until regional hubs are set up if they are, we need them

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "The Foundation does not care so much of the French-speaking contributors"

2019-09-16 Thread Jane Darnell
As far as Art+Feminism goes, this project concentrates on biographies of female artists. The English Wikipedia project "Women in Red" is open 24x7 all year round and concentrates on biographies of women on English Wikipedia, period. So you can take all of your local Wikipedia questions about A+F

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

2019-05-15 Thread Jane Darnell
Asaf, I have wondered at times whether you were ever scolded for some of the things you wrote on this list. I, for one, have always appreciated your comments and so I thank you for taking the time to craft your responses despite any WMF objections. I also would like to thank you for any moderation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-11 Thread Jane Darnell
Thanks Andrew! Let me repeat here my vote for “Wikidata” as the brand name, too Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 10, 2019, at 9:05 PM, Andrew Lih wrote: > > I agree with Galder's and Camelia's thoughts and believe we should slow > down to think about this issue as a whole. We cannot, and should

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2019-01-04 Thread Jane Darnell
etc. It's not the only major change that > our technical infrastructure needs, but it's among the more important ones. > > -- > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי > http://aharoni.wordpress.com > ‪“We're living in pieces, > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2019-01-01 Thread Jane Darnell
Thanks to Yaroslav who started this interesting conversation, and thanks for all the comments. I agree with lots of them, but especially this: Happy Public Domain Day! On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 7:15 AM Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > בתאריך יום א׳, 30 בדצמ׳ 2018, 15:55, מאת Yaroslav Blanter < >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Jane Darnell
multiple sections, it would be roughly > the same, where a reference is used across several sections, which is > common, it looks like more work: from a little more, to a lot more. > Unless I misunderstand your meaning... > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Jane Darnell
< peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > Does the technology exist? Is it available? > How does this splitting make maintenance easier? > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Ja

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread Jane Darnell
Well it is not difficult to imagine when you consider for example line items in the case of list articles. Many lists could be split into such line items and kept in a static assembled form by some sort of "assembly template". Many of these line items are either articles or parts of articles. Such

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread Jane Darnell
I still believe we need to "explode Wikipedia", by which I mean split curation templates, categories, lists and all other articles into more easily editable and curatable parts. This enables better linking to discrete Wikidata items while reducing the tedious task of curation for extremely long

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Contents of annual reports from Wikimedia affiliate organizations

2018-11-30 Thread Jane Darnell
As a learning organization, it is already the case that the reporting burden is often higher than the invested resources. It's been that way for years. Fortunately, we have had the luck over the years to attract dedicated volunteers all over the world to help out with the burden or give feedback

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Contents of annual reports from Wikimedia affiliate organizations

2018-11-29 Thread Jane Darnell
Pine, I totally agree with "I would like to see more peer leadership from affiliates and less reliance on WMF for both grantmaking and trademarks." I would hope that this type of thing is starting to show up in the larger chapter/thorg/user group plans. I like the idea of custom metrics,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Jamal Khashoggi's call to action

2018-10-19 Thread Jane Darnell
Apparently his editor Karen Attiah at WaPo has already made Khashoggi's works available in Arabic (I assume everything was published originally in English, but not sure) https://twitter.com/KarenAttiah/status/1052150458960281600 On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 2:50 AM Samuel Klein wrote: > The Global

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

2018-09-26 Thread Jane Darnell
Yes, +1 to "This move means we have more leverage to organize thematic-based or regional-based events, with open participation. We should make sure that all those events involve "learning" elements. And we need more support from WMF (other any affiliates) to organise the other events." I did

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikimedia Foundation has soft launched!

2018-08-22 Thread Jane Darnell
Wow. Just...wow. On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 10:24 AM Antoine Musso wrote: > On 21/08/2018 21:01, Andy Mabbett wrote: > >> The text I cited has now been changed to "All text on Wikimedia sites > >> is available as Creative Commons material". > >> > >> This does not resolve the issue I raised above;

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-27 Thread Jane Darnell
that > "some languages are better than others". > > All the best, > > Paulo > > > 2018-07-25 8:28 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell : > > > Hmm. Yes and no. Yes the May 2017 conference suffered from some > interesting > > selection bias, but no the people the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-25 Thread Jane Darnell
Hmm. Yes and no. Yes the May 2017 conference suffered from some interesting selection bias, but no the people there were not all brainwashed into forgetting their "wildness". We are all still wild wild Wikipedians at heart, speaking for the 2006 cohort in its entirety. I really doubt whether the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-10 Thread Jane Darnell
t; From: Amir E. Aharoni <amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > Sent: Mon, 07 May 2018 04:52:31 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems > > > > 2018-05-07 9

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-07 Thread Jane Darnell
g that adds gender-specific value, increasing our coverage of > the > > subject. So a workshop at a nursing convention might be valuable. > > > > > > Fred > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Amir E. Aharoni <amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-07 Thread Jane Darnell
Amir, It's funny - after reading your mail I wondered if I had read Romaine's mail correctly. Rereading both it seems that is exactly what you were trying to say - we all carry our own little bundle of biases with us whereever we go and whatever we read. When I read Romaine's mail I stopped cold

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-15 Thread Jane Darnell
I just tried googling Wikipedia and am not seeing that result at all. I see " *Wikipedia* is a free online encyclopedia, created and edited by volunteers around the world and hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation." When I do the same search on mobile, I see the same thing, except this time it is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

2017-09-27 Thread Jane Darnell
We don't need to ban statements when we can just deprecate them with a reason. I think the whole point is to allow differing views equal weight, based on sourced statements. By allowing statements to reside side-by-side like this, it will be easy to see which Wikipedia projects (or sub-areas of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women through the glass ceiling: gender asymmetries in Wikipedia

2017-09-26 Thread Jane Darnell
I don't think so, but this has interested me. The problem is how to look at the data in such a way that it is meaningful. I tried to break it down a bit and I have presented about the differences in women's occupations across language wikis and gender here:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women through the glass ceiling: gender asymmetries in Wikipedia

2017-09-22 Thread Jane Darnell
Yes very interesting, if only to illustrate how difficult it is to get this information reliably. It is also interesting to see those charts dating to the days before Wikidata. One problem with using these stats is that pretty much everything is a moving target. Yes there is a larger gap at the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Naive questions: what could do the movement with 1B dollars/euros?

2017-05-17 Thread Jane Darnell
> Bible to yet more languages, but translating an encyclopedia to more > languages.) > > > -- > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי > http://aharoni.wordpress.com > ‪“We're living in pieces, > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ > > 2017-05-17 21:11 GMT+03:00

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Naive questions: what could do the movement with 1B dollars/euros?

2017-05-17 Thread Jane Darnell
I saw a very interesting documentary about a South American country (Brazil? Argentina?) where they were already ignoring Western copyright law in order to free up collaboration in science. I have no idea what the legal repercussions are of doing something like that and from what I have seen on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Naive questions: what could do the movement with 1B dollars/euros?

2017-05-17 Thread Jane Darnell
That is an interesting idea! Maybe we should be working on modelling the Bible better on Wikidata and cross-referencing it to dictionaries and all other religious texts. If it is so important for literacy, it may help unite efforts on labelling in Wikidata. I have no idea how many words are used

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2017 versus movement strategy

2017-04-08 Thread Jane Darnell
I agree with everything Gnangarra said. As I recall, previous strategy discussions on meta involved fewer people later in the game with fewer documents produced than what we have now. That said, I think there was a pretty good representation of chapters at the Berlin conference and depending on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2017-02-13 Thread Jane Darnell
Believe me, I hear you! On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Austin Hair <adh...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:01 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > When I first read this I didn't think twice about it, because Gerard has > > often gone ov

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2017-02-13 Thread Jane Darnell
When I first read this I didn't think twice about it, because Gerard has often gone over the 30 message limit, so nothing new. But after reading later comments I see that he was disrespectful? I don't think so. I checked and indeed he didn't go over his limit in January. The only disrespectful

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-02-11 Thread Jane Darnell
To understand Hoi you first need to get yourself some stroopwafels to go with your coffee On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Anna Stillwell wrote: > On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:52 PM, Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > Anna I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Tech Talk: A Gentle Introduction to Wikidata for Absolute Beginners [including non-techies!]

2017-02-09 Thread Jane Darnell
Great job, thanks Asaf. Any chance this can be transcripted for translation? I don't even know how. Also this should be annotated for specific how-to pieces (or maybe someone can make derivative files for e.g. the query editor) From any page, someone should be able to click through to another page

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-04 Thread Jane Darnell
I agree absolutely with this. All Wikipedians are political and we pontificate to the world quite happily while following a complex set of agreed rules. To believe that Wikipedia has a neutral point of view is like believing there is no systemic bias in the academic world. The gateway that anyone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-03 Thread Jane Darnell
Well I for one am one of those unapologetic Wikipedians who "inject their national and identity politics into the movement". I'm a fan of the "Be Bold" concept, bigly. On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:00 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Hi Yair, > > I agree with your underlying sentiment.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-03 Thread Jane Darnell
+1 to "writing an encyclopedia is a political act" and +1 to the notion called "freedom of speech", and +1 to "refugee bans remind us of very dark memories", but mostly +1 to the point about bias on Wikipedia! So I can also only conclude "Bravo Katherine"! On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:26 AM, Natacha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thinking outside the box

2016-09-06 Thread Jane Darnell
Yes to this: "the key issue is for us to build room for people to emerge but also to feel entitled to run for those position" I would say this is a key issue at the very bottom as well, for example just getting people to become a contributor to any one of our many projects, whether it's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] Mobile site is now lazy loading images

2016-09-01 Thread Jane Darnell
d to worry about running out of data but > generally have much faster speeds, lazy loading makes a lot more sense. > It's great that we have it here! > > -I > > On 26/08/16 16:47, Jane Darnell wrote: > >> Interesting to see the drop in bytes sent to the Japan article and this >&g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] Mobile site is now lazy loading images

2016-08-26 Thread Jane Darnell
st > > on this. A cheaper Wikipedia mobile will go a long way to help us address > > the data affordability barrier, attract new Wikipedia Zero partners and > > bring in new readers. > > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Odia Wikimedia community documents Ratha Jatra on Wikimedia Commons.

2016-07-07 Thread Jane Darnell
What a great idea! We need this for so many recurring local festivals and personally I think we need these pictures every single year, but that is just my opinion. In the Netherlands we have a huge flower parade and yearly Mardi Gras parades and these are not considered notable enough to have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to communicate compassionately with non-native English speakers

2016-07-07 Thread Jane Darnell
I agree! But what what does an icy stomach mean - to be strong? There are lots of Dutch expressions that my family has taken over and use regularly in English now such as "Now comes the monkey out of the sleeve" (revealing the hidden agenda), "Go your gang" (go ahead) and "That's mustard after the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to get help (an essay)

2016-05-18 Thread Jane Darnell
Wow Jake, that is an amazing story, thanks for sharing. I just watched a Dutch version of this #chicagogirl documentary last week: http://www.dailydot.com/entertainment/chicagogirl-hashtag-activism-syria-interview/ It struck me that doing this was pretty crazy, but who knew it had been done

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gender gap on "classical" encyclopedias

2016-04-20 Thread Jane Darnell
Actually I would say that is not true. The success of the english Wikipedia's "Women in Red" project shows that editors are overwhelmingly willing to close the gap, and only need to be pointed to the proper resources to do so. When you say "closing the gap" I assume you mean closing the content

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gender gap on "classical" encyclopedias

2016-04-20 Thread Jane Darnell
I forgot about that one and it is still interesting, so thanks for reposting! Out of curiosity I also made some queries about the delta factor caused by the English Wikipedia's "Women-in-Red" initiative as opposed to our own Gendergap-in-nlwiki initiative in the Netherlands. I wrote some findings

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki-research-l] Gender gap on "classical" encyclopedias

2016-04-20 Thread Jane Darnell
I have often thought we should go through at least one volume of the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica for this purpose. The cawiki is great though. I always check the %female factor in all completed lists I have, so I also checked cawiki in my TED speakers list, even though ca is not one of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Hello Mr. ccc, Now you can have your own Wikipedia page

2016-04-06 Thread Jane Darnell
Oh dear, those pesky spam laws... On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Florence Devouard wrote: > A relationship of mine received the email below and forwarded it to me. > http://yourprmanager.com/ > > This company is known ? > > Flo > > > = > > Début du message

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using this list to tear people down

2016-03-02 Thread Jane Darnell
I just thought Mr. Kolbe's mother didn't hug him enough as a baby. On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 5:33 AM, Sam Klein wrote: > +1 > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 11:11 PM, Anna Stillwell > wrote: > > > I agree to do so. I'll help you constructively remind.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread Jane Darnell
We could help them by making Wikipedia pages about registration agencies, European immigration laws, and/or uploading sample forms that they could translate into their own languages. On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > If we want to make

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-26 Thread Jane Darnell
Healthcare!!! On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:39 AM, David Cuenca Tudela wrote: > I think there are more ways of supporting volunteers than just paying them > cash. For instance another option could be to offer them a place to stay, > food and healthcare. That is how many volunteer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Post mortems (second attempt)

2016-02-22 Thread Jane Darnell
Yes!!! This is why I haven't spent much time contributing on Meta at all since then: " We would say "we need pages," and they would explain why we didn't. We would say "we need archives," and they would explain why good search was a better idea. We would say "there's too much white space," and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-21 Thread Jane Darnell
Risker thanks for this. I would add that the biggest problem for outsiders is trying to sift through the emails in this thread, looking for valid concerns and first-hand accounts among the cynical and/or ironic comments only understandable to a few players. As more and more of our international

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-02-13 Thread Jane Darnell
Thanks for this breakdown of events/intentions/grant request. I can't help wondering whether this grant will produce anything at all that we can use. As I recall we talked a lot about how bad search was in general on Wikipedia projects, and the example used to demonstrate how poor this was, was a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Another goodbye

2016-02-12 Thread Jane Darnell
SO sorry to read this! My work with you on the IEG committee was one of the most inspiring experiences I have had in my years as a Wikipedian. I guess we will only learn after a few years what the effects were of some of the decisions we made ton that committee, but I like to think that some of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-10 Thread Jane Darnell
"We also do not have a strong chapter system" This has always puzzled me, because I am a firm believer in the chapter system, despite its faults and limitations. Isn't it time to address this for the more active areas of the USA? On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Andrew Lih

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2015 Harassment Survey - Results Report

2016-01-30 Thread Jane Darnell
users should trigger a wide zero-tolerance reaction, > regardless of any "credit" owned by the perpetrator. > > Vito > > Il 30/01/2016 16:18, Jane Darnell ha scritto: > >> I have been surprised again and again by a casual form of vandalism that >> goes unchecke

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2015 Harassment Survey - Results Report

2016-01-30 Thread Jane Darnell
I have been surprised again and again by a casual form of vandalism that goes unchecked because it is possibly seen as humorous. Here is an example of something I have corrected in passing (and can remember how to find in order to link it here):

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-26 Thread Jane Darnell
That is so true! Making book items is hard and then using them in reference statements is harder -Original Message- From: "Andrea Zanni" Sent: ‎26-‎1-‎2016 09:20 To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-25 Thread Jane Darnell
unreliable, too" doesn't answer the question. > > > > You're all bright people, and I assume there is a good reason not to > > insist on reliable sourcing for all of Wikidata's claims. What is it, > > please? > > > > > > > > Anthony Cole > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-25 Thread Jane Darnell
sourcing for all of Wikidata's claims. What is it, please? > > > > Anthony Cole > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 1:28 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Actually I think Wikidata is sourced more thoroughly than any single > > Wikipedia. Looking

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-25 Thread Jane Darnell
Actually I think Wikidata is sourced more thoroughly than any single Wikipedia. Looking at the last chart in those stats, less than 10% of all items have zero sitelinks, and we can't see in the stats whether 100% of those have zero referenced statements, but I would assume that is not the case,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Happy Magnus Manske Day!

2016-01-25 Thread Jane Darnell
edia-magnus-manske/ > > --Ed > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Ricordisamoa < > ricordisa...@openmailbox.org> > wrote: > > > Il 25/01/2016 00:47, Jane Darnell ha scritto: > > > >> Hope everybody takes some time today to share what they have learned >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Happy Magnus Manske Day!

2016-01-25 Thread Jane Darnell
inks. I have said it before and I say > it again. It will improve both Wikipedia and Wikidata significantly. It has > only one drawback, the pundits did not find fault with it so it does not > get tracktion. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 25 January 2016 at 00:47, Jane Darnell

[Wikimedia-l] Happy Magnus Manske Day!

2016-01-24 Thread Jane Darnell
Hope everybody takes some time today to share what they have learned from using Magnus' tools. It's time to call on all posse members to share their tool tips, because it's ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Magnus_Manske_Day Here are my top links: https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A common product development process (was Re: Profile of Magnus Manske)

2016-01-20 Thread Jane Darnell
+1 I also like this tone and agree both with everything Magnus has claimed and with Quim's ideas of opening specific Phabricator tasks to move forward. I think a big problem is how to inform people during product launch. I think the media viewer would have been launched more smoothly if the viewer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia's 15th BD

2016-01-15 Thread Jane Darnell
Thanks for sharing! I was bicycling through New York and stopped in Lake Placid in 2005 to buy a pair of running shoes (long story, but I still have them, though they are really worn down now) and in the sports store and local (Carnegie) library they are still proud of those Olympics and talk

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-29 Thread Jane Darnell
Lilburne <lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net> > wrote: > > > On 28/12/2015 18:00, Jane Darnell wrote: > > > >> All I said is that the wiki way works, that's all. You can't hide it > when > >> someone tries to take over a project, and that is the reason we &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-29 Thread Jane Darnell
ts." On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > > http://www.amnesty.nl/sites/default/files/public/ainl_guidelines_use_of_force.pdf > > On 29 December 2015 at 13:30, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > ci

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-29 Thread Jane Darnell
tactic to another. On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Granted, you could > > get past the 10,000 article startup requirement somehow and then start >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-29 Thread Jane Darnell
NPOV. It represents facts found in many places. > As > > the information becomes more extended, it becomes possible to find > > manipulations, errors. This is when sources truly become vital. But do > > remember, the POV of the USA and many of its sources are as suspect

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AWB & Ubuntu: Can really someone help?

2015-12-28 Thread Jane Darnell
I used to use AWB for lists but now I am running on a Mac so I don't have it anymore. I still can generate lists with Catscan though, so you may want to check that tool out if you haven't already. On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Tito Dutta wrote: > In last 2 years I have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-28 Thread Jane Darnell
If anything, the Kazakh thing just proves that the wiki model works. No shame in that. It's probably why the Chinese are blocking Wikipedia and not embracing it. You can't hide your propaganda, even from your own people. As far as the compilation of Christmas songs goes, the list of songs is not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-28 Thread Jane Darnell
r than any one government will ever estimate. On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > If anything, the Kazakh thing just proves that the wiki model works. N

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-28 Thread Jane Darnell
ich is why governments that intend to do such things choose nowadays to just block wikimedia altogether. It is not our wake-up call to take, but that of the Kazakh people. On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 28 December 2015 at 11:22, Jane Darnell

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-28 Thread Jane Darnell
at 8:13 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > All I said is that the wiki way works, that's all. You can't hide it when > > someone tries to take over a project, and that is t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-18 Thread Jane Darnell
gt; > Wikipedians on the subject. They are quite happy to share their data > > with Wikidata and make data retrieved in their processes with a CC-0. > > > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > On 17 December 2015 at 15:17, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com&g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-16 Thread Jane Darnell
of biographies of people" vs. items about actual people. On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Andrea Zanni <zanni.andre...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 9:35 PM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Andrea, > > I totally agree on the mission/vision

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-13 Thread Jane Darnell
Thanks for that essay, Lydia! You said it well, and I especially agree with what you wrote about trust and believing in ourselves. I had to laugh at some of the comments, because if you substitute "Wikipedia" for "Wikidata" those comments could have been written 3 years ago before Wikidata came on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-13 Thread Jane Darnell
s Wikidata. As long as Wikidata doesn't provide external > sourcing, it's unusable in Wikipedia. > > Andreas > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thanks for that essay, Lydia! You said it well, and I especially agree > with &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-13 Thread Jane Darnell
Andrea, I totally agree on the mission/vision thing, but am not sure what you mean exactly by scale - do you mean that Wikidata shouldn't try to be so granular that it has a statement to cover each factoid in any Wikipedia article, or do you mean we need to talk about what constitutes notability

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-10 Thread Jane Darnell
Amen to that! This discussion about Jerusalem reminds me of the discussion we had about the nationality of Anne Frank. For those interested, there have been some heated debates about whether Mobile should use the text in Wikidata "label descriptions" or rather some basic presentation of the P31

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-10 Thread Jane Darnell
> Then again this is shifting away from the original concern over quality > that the ability to verify the information isnt clear combined with the > CC0 license the already established practice on other sources. Wikidata for > falsehoods being easily manipulated its going to have a im

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are we so boring?

2015-12-08 Thread Jane Darnell
I wouldn't object to more Australians spread around the Wikiverse, and they are always welcome in the Netherlands On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Gnangarra wrote: > maybe the movement needs to get a few more Australians around events to > liven things up, as its never

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

2015-12-03 Thread Jane Darnell
This is exactly why we need "Stuctured Data for Commons" and I for one was really disappointed to see it get tossed onto the back burner yet again: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2015_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Archive#Structured_metadata_for_Commons On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Gerard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Revision scoring as a service launched

2015-12-01 Thread Jane Darnell
It's mentioned in the MIT Review here: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/544036/artificial-intelligence-aims-to-make-wikipedia-friendlier-and-better/ On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > This is really cool! Congrats to everyone who worked on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-29 Thread Jane Darnell
Gerard, Thanks for highlighting my work! I already posted slides on Commons, but I want to flesh them out with links to actual edits so people can better understand some of these quality improvement workflows. The tools I use for lists are written mostly by the Wikidata "god" Magnus Manske and the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-27 Thread Jane Darnell
Yes I agree. I think most of the discussion here has to do with people conflating the concept of text as in Wikipedia sentences and the concept of data as in Wikidata statements. When a user adds an image from Commons on Wikipedia, the source of the image is generally not added to Wikipedia, and I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

2015-11-26 Thread Jane Darnell
Did anyone get a close-up picture of the stradivarius? On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > There was a real nice musical intermezzo, violin and piano. I spoke with > the pianist and the violinist and they are happy when we use their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-21 Thread Jane Darnell
Sorry to read that Fae, but in your specific case I do think your time is spent more productively on Commons, because the value of your contributions there is huge. Having created Wikidata items for many of your Commons uploads, I think it may be worthwhile at some point to try and get someone to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-20 Thread Jane Darnell
Gerard, I think this was always the case. Most Wikidatans are as at home on Wikipedia as they are on Commons. The issue you describe also happened to Commons - both communities feel the other is less focussed on quality. Many Commonists spend hours on high quality images and these are rarely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WLM Brasil 2015 - Winners / Numbers

2015-10-31 Thread Jane Darnell
I totally agree with Ilario here. We have yet to put a financial value on a Wikimedia contributor time unit, but I would venture to say that if such projects manage to procure even one Wikimedia contributor for the projects then that is money well spent. On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Ilario

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-30 Thread Jane Darnell
I was just looking at the vital signs graph for Dutch and noticed that mobile page views has overtaken desktop pageviews on weekends, which is pretty cool. Maybe there could be a Wikigame that you could tune per language that connects items to articles? This wouldn't help with Wikipedians who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Good news for Wikimedians in San Francisco!

2015-10-27 Thread Jane Darnell
Never heard of Stroopies, but for those with access to a CostCo store, I have persoally taste-tested their stroopwafels against the true Goudse Stroopwafels and can vouch for them. The ones for sale at Barnes and Noble cafés that are individually wrapped are *not* the real thing, however, though

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Princess of Asturias prize streaming now

2015-10-23 Thread Jane Darnell
Wow thanks for the link - but wait, bagpipes? On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Salvador A wrote: > Hi community > > I share with you the link to see (just now) the ceremony of the Princess of > Asturias prize giving, to see it online. There's an option to hear the >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

2015-10-14 Thread Jane Darnell
Arkansas is considered one of the "fly-over" states. Good luck locating a Wikipedian somewhere around there, not to mention a Wikimedian. On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Gnangarra wrote: > G'day > > I have been contacted by an active Wikiproject Spam editor for help >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiconference USA 2015

2015-10-11 Thread Jane Darnell
Thanks for that link Anthony - can't wait for the transcript to be added (I tried grabbing it off streamtext but couldn't). Stuart Ray lists several things we know we should work on but don't: article ownership, deletions of primary sources, only zero or negative feedback for valuable

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I'll be moving on

2015-10-08 Thread Jane Darnell
Jan, Thanks for all of your work. The Swedish Wikipedia is a very inspiring project for me as a Dutch Wikimedian and I have been following (somewhat jealously) how the WMSE community responds to new innovations. Under your leadership I think your Swedish Wikipedia community looks quite healthy (as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] internet-in-a-boxs to the refugee camps?

2015-09-08 Thread Jane Darnell
all they need is wifi to connect to the box I think, so it would be just one box not connected to the internet with a wifi access.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] internet-in-a-boxs to the refugee camps?

2015-09-08 Thread Jane Darnell
gt; > This would be a nice way to realize our mission "to disseminate > educational content effectively and globally". > > - Teemu > > PS. In general I am against offline-Wikipedia but exceptional situations > need exceptional solutions. > > > On 8.9.201

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