Scary! Is there any way Wikimedians can help to get the message out to
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 5:31 PM William Chan wrote:
> Dear all,
> There is now a bill in the "deliberation" process of the Chinese People's
> Political Consultative Conference ("CPPCC"). This bill is named as "Hong
Yes this remains a problem. The only thing I can think of is that in our
current gig economy reputation is everything and timeliness of information
feedback is more and more important. I think publicly funded research deserves
both public access and proper attribution throughout the whole
I believe Andy arranged for this to happen and there is a blog out there
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> On Dec 28, 2019, at 11:37 PM, Pine W wrote:
> Hi Yury,
> I saw some excitement from people regarding this edit. However, I for one
> have been hesitant to make wider announcements about
t; campaigns, and video campaigns. We will also consider proposals outside of
> these categories, such as software development.
> I hope I have clarified a little what I meant, which is basically that WMF
> is so useful that until regional hubs are set up if they are, we need them
As far as Art+Feminism goes, this project concentrates on biographies of
female artists. The English Wikipedia project "Women in Red" is open 24x7
all year round and concentrates on biographies of women on English
Wikipedia, period. So you can take all of your local Wikipedia questions
Asaf, I have wondered at times whether you were ever scolded for some of
the things you wrote on this list. I, for one, have always appreciated your
comments and so I thank you for taking the time to craft your responses
despite any WMF objections. I also would like to thank you for any
Thanks Andrew! Let me repeat here my vote for “Wikidata” as the brand name, too
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> On Apr 10, 2019, at 9:05 PM, Andrew Lih wrote:
> I agree with Galder's and Camelia's thoughts and believe we should slow
> down to think about this issue as a whole. We cannot, and should
etc. It's not the only major change that
> our technical infrastructure needs, but it's among the more important ones.
> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> “We're living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
Thanks to Yaroslav who started this interesting conversation, and thanks
for all the comments. I agree with lots of them, but especially this: Happy
Public Domain Day!
On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 7:15 AM Amir E. Aharoni
> בתאריך יום א׳, 30 בדצמ׳ 2018, 15:55, מאת Yaroslav Blanter <
multiple sections, it would be roughly
> the same, where a reference is used across several sections, which is
> common, it looks like more work: from a little more, to a lot more.
> Unless I misunderstand your meaning...
> -Original Message-
> Does the technology exist? Is it available?
> How does this splitting make maintenance easier?
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Ja
Well it is not difficult to imagine when you consider for example line
items in the case of list articles. Many lists could be split into such
line items and kept in a static assembled form by some sort of "assembly
template". Many of these line items are either articles or parts of
I still believe we need to "explode Wikipedia", by which I mean split
curation templates, categories, lists and all other articles into more
easily editable and curatable parts. This enables better linking to
discrete Wikidata items while reducing the tedious task of curation for
As a learning organization, it is already the case that the reporting
burden is often higher than the invested resources. It's been that way for
years. Fortunately, we have had the luck over the years to attract
dedicated volunteers all over the world to help out with the burden or give
I totally agree with "I would like to see more peer leadership
from affiliates and less reliance on WMF for both grantmaking and
trademarks." I would hope that this type of thing is starting to show up in
the larger chapter/thorg/user group plans. I like the idea of custom
Apparently his editor Karen Attiah at WaPo has already made Khashoggi's
works available in Arabic (I assume everything was published originally in
English, but not sure)
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 2:50 AM Samuel Klein wrote:
> The Global
Yes, +1 to "This move means we have more leverage to organize
regional-based events, with open participation. We should make sure that
all those events involve "learning" elements. And we need more support
from WMF (other any affiliates) to organise the other events."
On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 10:24 AM Antoine Musso wrote:
> On 21/08/2018 21:01, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> >> The text I cited has now been changed to "All text on Wikimedia sites
> >> is available as Creative Commons material".
> >> This does not resolve the issue I raised above;
> "some languages are better than others".
> All the best,
> 2018-07-25 8:28 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell :
> > Hmm. Yes and no. Yes the May 2017 conference suffered from some
> > selection bias, but no the people the
Hmm. Yes and no. Yes the May 2017 conference suffered from some interesting
selection bias, but no the people there were not all brainwashed into
forgetting their "wildness". We are all still wild wild Wikipedians at
heart, speaking for the 2006 cohort in its entirety. I really doubt whether
t; From: Amir E. Aharoni <amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il>
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > Sent: Mon, 07 May 2018 04:52:31 -0400 (EDT)
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems
> > 2018-05-07 9
g that adds gender-specific value, increasing our coverage of
> > subject. So a workshop at a nursing convention might be valuable.
> > >
> > > Fred
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Amir E. Aharoni <amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il>
It's funny - after reading your mail I wondered if I had read Romaine's
mail correctly. Rereading both it seems that is exactly what you were
trying to say - we all carry our own little bundle of biases with us
whereever we go and whatever we read. When I read Romaine's mail I stopped
I just tried googling Wikipedia and am not seeing that result at all. I see
" *Wikipedia* is a free online encyclopedia, created and edited by
volunteers around the world and hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation."
When I do the same search on mobile, I see the same thing, except this time
We don't need to ban statements when we can just deprecate them with a
reason. I think the whole point is to allow differing views equal weight,
based on sourced statements. By allowing statements to reside side-by-side
like this, it will be easy to see which Wikipedia projects (or sub-areas of
I don't think so, but this has interested me. The problem is how to look at
the data in such a way that it is meaningful. I tried to break it down a
bit and I have presented about the differences in women's occupations
across language wikis and gender here:
Yes very interesting, if only to illustrate how difficult it is to get this
information reliably. It is also interesting to see those charts dating to
the days before Wikidata. One problem with using these stats is that pretty
much everything is a moving target. Yes there is a larger gap at the
> Bible to yet more languages, but translating an encyclopedia to more
> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> “We're living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
> 2017-05-17 21:11 GMT+03:00
I saw a very interesting documentary about a South American country
(Brazil? Argentina?) where they were already ignoring Western copyright law
in order to free up collaboration in science. I have no idea what the legal
repercussions are of doing something like that and from what I have seen on
That is an interesting idea! Maybe we should be working on modelling the
Bible better on Wikidata and cross-referencing it to dictionaries and all
other religious texts. If it is so important for literacy, it may help
unite efforts on labelling in Wikidata. I have no idea how many words are
I agree with everything Gnangarra said. As I recall, previous strategy
discussions on meta involved fewer people later in the game with fewer
documents produced than what we have now. That said, I think there was a
pretty good representation of chapters at the Berlin conference and
Believe me, I hear you!
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Austin Hair <adh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:01 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > When I first read this I didn't think twice about it, because Gerard has
> > often gone ov
When I first read this I didn't think twice about it, because Gerard has
often gone over the 30 message limit, so nothing new. But after reading
later comments I see that he was disrespectful? I don't think so. I checked
and indeed he didn't go over his limit in January. The only disrespectful
To understand Hoi you first need to get yourself some stroopwafels to go
with your coffee
On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Anna Stillwell
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 11:52 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
> > wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > Anna I
Great job, thanks Asaf. Any chance this can be transcripted for
translation? I don't even know how. Also this should be annotated for
specific how-to pieces (or maybe someone can make derivative files for e.g.
the query editor)
From any page, someone should be able to click through to another page
I agree absolutely with this. All Wikipedians are political and we
pontificate to the world quite happily while following a complex set of
agreed rules. To believe that Wikipedia has a neutral point of view is like
believing there is no systemic bias in the academic world. The gateway that
Well I for one am one of those unapologetic Wikipedians who "inject their
national and identity politics into the movement". I'm a fan of the "Be
Bold" concept, bigly.
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:00 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Hi Yair,
> I agree with your underlying sentiment.
+1 to "writing an encyclopedia is a political act" and +1 to the notion
called "freedom of speech", and +1 to "refugee bans remind us of very dark
memories", but mostly +1 to the point about bias on Wikipedia! So I can
also only conclude "Bravo Katherine"!
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:26 AM, Natacha
Yes to this: "the key issue is for us to build room for
people to emerge but also to feel entitled to run for those position"
I would say this is a key issue at the very bottom as well, for example
just getting people to become a contributor to any one of our many
projects, whether it's
d to worry about running out of data but
> generally have much faster speeds, lazy loading makes a lot more sense.
> It's great that we have it here!
> On 26/08/16 16:47, Jane Darnell wrote:
>> Interesting to see the drop in bytes sent to the Japan article and this
> > on this. A cheaper Wikipedia mobile will go a long way to help us address
> > the data affordability barrier, attract new Wikipedia Zero partners and
> > bring in new readers.
> > On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
What a great idea! We need this for so many recurring local festivals and
personally I think we need these pictures every single year, but that is
just my opinion. In the Netherlands we have a huge flower parade and yearly
Mardi Gras parades and these are not considered notable enough to have
I agree! But what what does an icy stomach mean - to be strong? There are
lots of Dutch expressions that my family has taken over and use regularly
in English now such as "Now comes the monkey out of the sleeve" (revealing
the hidden agenda), "Go your gang" (go ahead) and "That's mustard after the
Wow Jake, that is an amazing story, thanks for sharing.
I just watched a Dutch version of this #chicagogirl documentary last week:
It struck me that doing this was pretty crazy, but who knew it had been
Actually I would say that is not true. The success of the english
Wikipedia's "Women in Red" project shows that editors are overwhelmingly
willing to close the gap, and only need to be pointed to the proper
resources to do so. When you say "closing the gap" I assume you mean
closing the content
I forgot about that one and it is still interesting, so thanks for
reposting! Out of curiosity I also made some queries about the delta factor
caused by the English Wikipedia's "Women-in-Red" initiative as opposed to
our own Gendergap-in-nlwiki initiative in the Netherlands. I wrote some
I have often thought we should go through at least one volume of the 1911
Encyclopedia Britannica for this purpose. The cawiki is great though. I
always check the %female factor in all completed lists I have, so I also
checked cawiki in my TED speakers list, even though ca is not one of the
Oh dear, those pesky spam laws...
On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Florence Devouard
> A relationship of mine received the email below and forwarded it to me.
> This company is known ?
> Début du message
I just thought Mr. Kolbe's mother didn't hug him enough as a baby.
On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 5:33 AM, Sam Klein wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 11:11 PM, Anna Stillwell
> > I agree to do so. I'll help you constructively remind.
We could help them by making Wikipedia pages about registration agencies,
European immigration laws, and/or uploading sample forms that they could
translate into their own languages.
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> If we want to make
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:39 AM, David Cuenca Tudela
> I think there are more ways of supporting volunteers than just paying them
> cash. For instance another option could be to offer them a place to stay,
> food and healthcare. That is how many volunteer
Yes!!! This is why I haven't spent much time contributing on Meta at all
" We would say "we need pages," and they would explain why we didn't. We
would say "we need archives," and they would explain why good search was a
better idea. We would say "there's too much white space," and
Risker thanks for this. I would add that the biggest problem for outsiders
is trying to sift through the emails in this thread, looking for valid
concerns and first-hand accounts among the cynical and/or ironic comments
only understandable to a few players. As more and more of our international
Thanks for this breakdown of events/intentions/grant request. I can't help
wondering whether this grant will produce anything at all that we can use.
As I recall we talked a lot about how bad search was in general on
Wikipedia projects, and the example used to demonstrate how poor this was,
SO sorry to read this! My work with you on the IEG committee was one of the
most inspiring experiences I have had in my years as a Wikipedian. I guess
we will only learn after a few years what the effects were of some of the
decisions we made ton that committee, but I like to think that some of
"We also do not have a strong chapter system"
This has always puzzled me, because I am a firm believer in the chapter
system, despite its faults and limitations. Isn't it time to address this
for the more active areas of the USA?
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Andrew Lih
users should trigger a wide zero-tolerance reaction,
> regardless of any "credit" owned by the perpetrator.
> Il 30/01/2016 16:18, Jane Darnell ha scritto:
>> I have been surprised again and again by a casual form of vandalism that
>> goes unchecke
I have been surprised again and again by a casual form of vandalism that
goes unchecked because it is possibly seen as humorous. Here is an example
of something I have corrected in passing (and can remember how to find in
order to link it here):
That is so true! Making book items is hard and then using them in reference
statements is harder
From: "Andrea Zanni"
Sent: 26-1-2016 09:20
To: "Wikimedia Mailing List"
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile
unreliable, too" doesn't answer the question.
> > You're all bright people, and I assume there is a good reason not to
> > insist on reliable sourcing for all of Wikidata's claims. What is it,
> > please?
> > Anthony Cole
sourcing for all of Wikidata's claims. What is it, please?
> Anthony Cole
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 1:28 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Actually I think Wikidata is sourced more thoroughly than any single
> > Wikipedia. Looking
Actually I think Wikidata is sourced more thoroughly than any single
Wikipedia. Looking at the last chart in those stats, less than 10% of all
items have zero sitelinks, and we can't see in the stats whether 100% of
those have zero referenced statements, but I would assume that is not the
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Ricordisamoa <
> > Il 25/01/2016 00:47, Jane Darnell ha scritto:
> >> Hope everybody takes some time today to share what they have learned
inks. I have said it before and I say
> it again. It will improve both Wikipedia and Wikidata significantly. It has
> only one drawback, the pundits did not find fault with it so it does not
> get tracktion.
> On 25 January 2016 at 00:47, Jane Darnell
Hope everybody takes some time today to share what they have learned from
using Magnus' tools. It's time to call on all posse members to share their
tool tips, because it's ...
Here are my top links:
I also like this tone and agree both with everything Magnus has claimed and
with Quim's ideas of opening specific Phabricator tasks to move forward. I
think a big problem is how to inform people during product launch. I think
the media viewer would have been launched more smoothly if the viewer
Thanks for sharing! I was bicycling through New York and stopped in Lake
Placid in 2005 to buy a pair of running shoes (long story, but I still have
them, though they are really worn down now) and in the sports store and
local (Carnegie) library they are still proud of those Olympics and talk
> > On 28/12/2015 18:00, Jane Darnell wrote:
> >> All I said is that the wiki way works, that's all. You can't hide it
> >> someone tries to take over a project, and that is the reason we
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> On 29 December 2015 at 13:30, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ci
tactic to another.
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Granted, you could
> > get past the 10,000 article startup requirement somehow and then start
NPOV. It represents facts found in many places.
> > the information becomes more extended, it becomes possible to find
> > manipulations, errors. This is when sources truly become vital. But do
> > remember, the POV of the USA and many of its sources are as suspect
I used to use AWB for lists but now I am running on a Mac so I don't have
it anymore. I still can generate lists with Catscan though, so you may want
to check that tool out if you haven't already.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Tito Dutta wrote:
> In last 2 years I have
If anything, the Kazakh thing just proves that the wiki model works. No
shame in that. It's probably why the Chinese are blocking Wikipedia and not
embracing it. You can't hide your propaganda, even from your own people.
As far as the compilation of Christmas songs goes, the list of songs is not
any one government will ever estimate.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If anything, the Kazakh thing just proves that the wiki model works. N
ich is why
governments that intend to do such things choose nowadays to just block
wikimedia altogether. It is not our wake-up call to take, but that of the
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 28 December 2015 at 11:22, Jane Darnell
at 8:13 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > All I said is that the wiki way works, that's all. You can't hide it when
> > someone tries to take over a project, and that is t
gt; > Wikipedians on the subject. They are quite happy to share their data
> > with Wikidata and make data retrieved in their processes with a CC-0.
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
> > On 17 December 2015 at 15:17, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com&g
of biographies of people" vs. items
about actual people.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Andrea Zanni <zanni.andre...@gmail.com>
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 9:35 PM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Andrea,
> > I totally agree on the mission/vision
Thanks for that essay, Lydia! You said it well, and I especially agree with
what you wrote about trust and believing in ourselves. I had to laugh at
some of the comments, because if you substitute "Wikipedia" for "Wikidata"
those comments could have been written 3 years ago before Wikidata came on
s Wikidata. As long as Wikidata doesn't provide external
> sourcing, it's unusable in Wikipedia.
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks for that essay, Lydia! You said it well, and I especially agree
I totally agree on the mission/vision thing, but am not sure what you mean
exactly by scale - do you mean that Wikidata shouldn't try to be so
granular that it has a statement to cover each factoid in any Wikipedia
article, or do you mean we need to talk about what constitutes notability
Amen to that! This discussion about Jerusalem reminds me of the discussion
we had about the nationality of Anne Frank. For those interested, there
have been some heated debates about whether Mobile should use the text in
Wikidata "label descriptions" or rather some basic presentation of the P31
> Then again this is shifting away from the original concern over quality
> that the ability to verify the information isnt clear combined with the
> CC0 license the already established practice on other sources. Wikidata for
> falsehoods being easily manipulated its going to have a im
I wouldn't object to more Australians spread around the Wikiverse, and they
are always welcome in the Netherlands
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Gnangarra wrote:
> maybe the movement needs to get a few more Australians around events to
> liven things up, as its never
This is exactly why we need "Stuctured Data for Commons" and I for one was
really disappointed to see it get tossed onto the back burner yet again:
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Gerard
It's mentioned in the MIT Review here:
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Steven Walling
> This is really cool! Congrats to everyone who worked on
Thanks for highlighting my work! I already posted slides on Commons, but I
want to flesh them out with links to actual edits so people can better
understand some of these quality improvement workflows. The tools I use for
lists are written mostly by the Wikidata "god" Magnus Manske and the
Yes I agree. I think most of the discussion here has to do with people
conflating the concept of text as in Wikipedia sentences and the concept of
data as in Wikidata statements. When a user adds an image from Commons on
Wikipedia, the source of the image is generally not added to Wikipedia, and
Did anyone get a close-up picture of the stradivarius?
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> There was a real nice musical intermezzo, violin and piano. I spoke with
> the pianist and the violinist and they are happy when we use their
Sorry to read that Fae, but in your specific case I do think your time is
spent more productively on Commons, because the value of your contributions
there is huge. Having created Wikidata items for many of your Commons
uploads, I think it may be worthwhile at some point to try and get someone
I think this was always the case. Most Wikidatans are as at home on
Wikipedia as they are on Commons. The issue you describe also happened to
Commons - both communities feel the other is less focussed on quality. Many
Commonists spend hours on high quality images and these are rarely
I totally agree with Ilario here. We have yet to put a financial value on a
Wikimedia contributor time unit, but I would venture to say that if such
projects manage to procure even one Wikimedia contributor for the projects
then that is money well spent.
On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Ilario
I was just looking at the vital signs graph for Dutch and noticed that
mobile page views has overtaken desktop pageviews on weekends, which is
pretty cool. Maybe there could be a Wikigame that you could tune per
language that connects items to articles? This wouldn't help with
Never heard of Stroopies, but for those with access to a CostCo store, I
have persoally taste-tested their stroopwafels against the true Goudse
Stroopwafels and can vouch for them. The ones for sale at Barnes and Noble
cafés that are individually wrapped are *not* the real thing, however,
Wow thanks for the link - but wait, bagpipes?
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Salvador A wrote:
> Hi community
> I share with you the link to see (just now) the ceremony of the Princess of
> Asturias prize giving, to see it online. There's an option to hear the
Arkansas is considered one of the "fly-over" states. Good luck locating a
Wikipedian somewhere around there, not to mention a Wikimedian.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Gnangarra wrote:
> I have been contacted by an active Wikiproject Spam editor for help
Thanks for that link Anthony - can't wait for the transcript to be added (I
tried grabbing it off streamtext but couldn't). Stuart Ray lists several
things we know we should work on but don't: article ownership, deletions of
primary sources, only zero or negative feedback for valuable
Thanks for all of your work. The Swedish Wikipedia is a very inspiring
project for me as a Dutch Wikimedian and I have been following (somewhat
jealously) how the WMSE community responds to new innovations. Under your
leadership I think your Swedish Wikipedia community looks quite healthy (as
all they need is wifi to connect to the box I think, so it would be just
one box not connected to the internet with a wifi access.
> This would be a nice way to realize our mission "to disseminate
> educational content effectively and globally".
> - Teemu
> PS. In general I am against offline-Wikipedia but exceptional situations
> need exceptional solutions.
> > On 8.9.201
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