>
> On 3/9/16 2:29 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
> > The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees oversees the foundation and
> > appoints its Executive Director. It seems very worrying that this body
> has
> > now admitted that it's so out-of-touch with the workings of the
> > organization that it ostensibly
On 3/9/16 2:29 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
> The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees oversees the foundation and
> appoints its Executive Director. It seems very worrying that this body has
> now admitted that it's so out-of-touch with the workings of the
> organization that it ostensibly manages that
And another is the reigning world champion in Nomic...
On Mar 9, 2016 11:19 AM, "Gordon Joly" wrote:
> On 09/03/16 15:00, WereSpielChequers wrote:
> > With Computers coming down in price and Artificial Intelligence programs
> > steadily improving
>
> Yes, indeed. A machine beat a man at Go!
>
> G
On 09/03/16 15:00, WereSpielChequers wrote:
> With Computers coming down in price and Artificial Intelligence programs
> steadily improving
Yes, indeed. A machine beat a man at Go!
Gordo
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Florence,
He would have been, I'm sure, but I'm not sure what it costs to rent a flat
in Terminus. I imagine the moving costs will be quite high.
All the best,
Richard Symonds
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Le 09/03/16 16:00, WereSpielChequers a écrit :
Don't be so hasty to rule out Donald.
With Computers coming down in price and Artificial Intelligence programs
steadily improving it should be perfectly possible to train an AI program
with the decision making power needed to make CEO style decisi
Don't be so hasty to rule out Donald.
With Computers coming down in price and Artificial Intelligence programs
steadily improving it should be perfectly possible to train an AI program
with the decision making power needed to make CEO style decisions; Remember
Chess has long had better computer
Gergő Tisza wrote:
>On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 7:54 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
>> Removing a roof without also having a plan for an interim roof is a
>>really amateur mistake.
>
>Not really if the roof was radioactive, and on fire.
The roof didn't blow off in a storm; it was structurally unsound. We know
t
Jimmy Wales wrote:
>On 3/5/16 3:07 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
>> I don't see it as a sign of strength to abdicate your responsibility in
>> this way.
>
>There are at least two things I disagree with about this remark - one
>that seeking the advice and participation and buy-in of those best
>placed to giv
On 3/5/16 3:07 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
> I don't see it as a sign of strength to abdicate your responsibility in
> this way.
There are at least two things I disagree with about this remark - one
that seeking the advice and participation and buy-in of those best
placed to give it is in some way "abdic
On 3/5/16 8:28 AM, Chris Sherlock wrote:
>> In it's decision making capacity, the Board should:
>>
>> * Select, evaluate and (if necessary) remove the Executive Director;
>
> Whilst I'm sure that C-level managers are up to the task, that's rather
> abrogating the responsibility of the Board.
I
On 05/03/16 19:45, Gordon Joly wrote:
> On 05/03/16 16:49, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>> Arguably, the employees have a bigger stake in the Wikimedia Foundation,
>> they are not even represented.
>
>
> Then they should unionise?
>
> Gordo
Following the arguments that unions would would not fit, d
Hey Lodewijk,
I'm definetly talking about the legal concept of a union yeah (which
triggers a lot of legal protections which, at least in the US, are somewhat
assumed when people talk about organizing internally). I do think there are
other options (both formal and informal) which is what I was re
On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 7:54 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Removing a roof without also having a plan for an interim roof is a really
amateur mistake.
Not really if the roof was radioactive, and on fire.
It is entirely a matter of priorities - is it more urgent to fix a
situation that was causing ser
Hi James,
just to understand correctly: are you talking only about the legal concept
of a 'union' or also about all informal structures where the wmf staff
could somehow influence how things go? I mean for example, I could imagine
that in an organisation with more than 100 people, a representation
A traditional union is also difficult, honestly, because of the nature of
the WMF as an incredibly global organization. We are a huge mix of staff in
SF from the US, staff in SF on Visas (I don't know if this matters), Full
Time Equivalent contractors outside the US (and numerous different ways to
Hoi,
That would not be a bad idea in and of itself. However, the kind of
troubles are not necessarily the kind where a Union has its experience.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 5 March 2016 at 20:45, Gordon Joly wrote:
> On 05/03/16 16:49, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> > Arguably, the employees have a bigger
On 05/03/16 16:49, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Arguably, the employees have a bigger stake in the Wikimedia Foundation,
> they are not even represented.
Then they should unionise?
Gordo
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We have three C levels who have been around for some time, Lisa, Katherine,
and Geoff. I imagine that either one of them will step up and take on the
role or a sharing agreement between a few of them will be suggested. I see
either of those options as perfectly reasonable.
We have had a recent eng
Hoi,
There is one big hole in this comparison. We are a movement, the Foundation
is the material part of it. It is responsible for all kinds of everything
but we, as a community do not pay for a roof over our head.
We are represented on the WMF board. That is it.
Arguably, the employees have a bi
Brion Vibber wrote:
>There's less weakness in admitting a failure honestly, retreating and
>regrouping, than in powering through when knowing oneself unprepared.
After months of complaints from tenants and from a few neighbors, the
landlord of a large building decides to replace the roof of the bu
I second Delphines praise.
I am also very glad to see that this being the fourth major decision
taken by the Board this year (outing of James was done last year...) ,
and that they all have been very good and balanced. And even if valid
wishes for quicker decisions is raised, I myself prioriti
Thank you Alice. I find this move pretty bold and welcome it, it renew
with an old tradition ;)
Also many thnaks for sharing with us these kind of developments.
Cheers,
Delphine
On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:14 AM, Alice Wiegand wrote:
> Hi all,
> short update, as announced by Patricio:
>
> Our org
On 5 March 2016 at 08:28, Chris Sherlock wrote:
>> In it's decision making capacity, the Board should:
>>
>> * Select, evaluate and (if necessary) remove the Executive Director;
>
> Whilst I'm sure that C-level managers are up to the task, that's rather
> abrogating the responsibility of the Boar
Sent from my iPhone
> On 5 Mar 2016, at 1:14 PM, Alice Wiegand wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> short update, as announced by Patricio:
>
> Our organization needs stability, it needs a chance to rest for a moment and
> to move on with the things that matter at the same time. That’s why the Board
> is
On 5 March 2016 at 03:21, Brion Vibber wrote:
> There's less weakness in admitting a failure honestly, retreating and
> regrouping, than in powering through when knowing oneself unprepared.
Fallacy of the excluded middle.
In any case that doesn't change the fundamental problem. The only
formal
Thank you, Alice, for the update.
As you say, the the C-level staff are in a good position to develop a
transition plan based on their well informed knowledge of the organization.
I'm looking forward to hearing their recommendation and the Boards
announcement.
Everyone have a great weekend.
Warm
Alice, thanks for the update.
I'm broadly hopeful; delegating with your staff's C level team is an
excellent step I very much like to see happening.
I would very much like to make sure that communications lines open further
between the board and their C levels and below, and that those continue t
As much as I agree Geoff would probably do a wonderful job, I'm not sure
that as a movement we want him away from the excellent job he's doing in
the Legal team for too long. Call me cynical, but I expect that the term
of the interim ED will turn out to be lengthy. Any number of people would
make
There's less weakness in admitting a failure honestly, retreating and
regrouping, than in powering through when knowing oneself unprepared.
-- brion
On Mar 4, 2016 7:07 PM, "MZMcBride" wrote:
> Alice Wiegand wrote:
> >We know that our C-level team is doing a great job in managing the
> >day-to-d
Alice Wiegand wrote:
>We know that our C-level team is doing a great job in managing the
>day-to-day-operations and they all have a deep understandning of our
>culture, challenges and needs. Who, if not them, knows better what is best
>for the organization in this moment. The Board is not best suit
Thank you Alice
I support that as a reasonable way forwards. Agree we have some great
C-levels.
James
On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Alice Wiegand
wrote:
> Hi all,
> short update, as announced by Patricio:
>
> Our organization needs stability, it needs a chance to rest for a moment
> and to m
Hi all,
short update, as announced by Patricio:
Our organization needs stability, it needs a chance to rest for a moment
and to move on with the things that matter at the same time. That’s why the
Board is aiming for a quick decision about the interim ED.
If you want to make a difference you nee
In order to avoid misunderstandings, would you please clarify what you mean
with "fully vetted"? This term can mean so many different things, and I
want to make sure.
On Feb 26, 2016 05:32, "Comet styles" wrote:
> I was banned on this mailing list last month for pointing out Lila's
> incompetency
I was banned on this mailing list last month for pointing out Lila's
incompetency as a leader..I just hope the next ED we have is fully
vetted before they are selected and I'm really hoping that we get
someone with a "wikipedia" background for a change.. Why don't we hire
someone who know the proje
There will be an AllHands staff discussion about recent events tomorrow,
per Katherine Maher on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/963758547005310/?comment_id=963762980338200&reply_comment_id=963831903664641&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R3%22%7D
Anthony Cole
2016-02-25 12:19 GMT-08:00 Gayle Karen Young :
> I know this isn't easy - not on the Board, not on the senior staff, not on
> the staff, and not on Lila.
> I'm so sorry and sad for all of us where this has come to, and there is an
> enormous amount of goodwill and skill in supporting the board in m
I wanted to explicitly state that a number of us are reading intensively
many of the ideas suggested in a diversity of channels, including this
mailing list.
We are hearing you.
We cannot reply to all of them, as we simply lack the bandwidth. But we are
listening.
Thank you for your passion.
>
>
> I know this isn't easy - not on the Board, not on the senior staff, not on
> the staff, and not on Lila.
> I'm so sorry and sad for all of us where this has come to, and there is an
> enormous amount of goodwill and skill in supporting the board in moving
> forward and doing the thorough plan
I know this isn't easy - not on the Board, not on the senior staff, not on
the staff, and not on Lila.
I'm so sorry and sad for all of us where this has come to, and there is an
enormous amount of goodwill and skill in supporting the board in moving
forward and doing the thorough planning it needs
Patricio, thanks for the update.
I appreciate you and Lila informing the wikimedia movement now, before all
of the details of the transition plan are complete.
As the BoT works on a transition strategy and plans for hiring a new ED,
perhaps a member of the Board can take on the role of Chief Comm
Patricio, thanks for the update and thanks for all of your thoughtful
consideration and work on this issue. I know it's been a stressful time for
everyone.
I've left a note on the talk page, just want to make sure we capture the
notion that existing staff leadership such as team leads and middle
m
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Florence Devouard
wrote:
> + 1 Brad.
>
> And I would like to say thank you Lila for your efforts and best of luck
> for the future.
>
+1 Florence.
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W dniu 2016-02-25 o 20:01, Brad Patrick pisze:
Best of luck to the Board moving forward with this process. You have a lot of
work ahead.
Brad
I am keeping my fingers crossed for the Board, in the time to come their
decisions will certainly have impact on the wiki-world. Also, I am
keeping m
+ 1 Brad.
And I would like to say thank you Lila for your efforts and best of luck
for the future.
Flo
Le 25/02/16 20:01, Brad Patrick a écrit :
Best of luck to the Board moving forward with this process. You have a lot of
work ahead.
Brad
On Feb 25, 2016, at 1:50 PM, Patricio Lorente
Best of luck to the Board moving forward with this process. You have a lot
of work ahead.
Brad
On Thursday, February 25, 2016, Patricio Lorente
wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> This week, the Board of Trustees accepted Lila’s resignation. Her last day
> will be March 31, 2016.
>
> I would like to th
Best of luck to the Board moving forward with this process. You have a lot of
work ahead.
Brad
> On Feb 25, 2016, at 1:50 PM, Patricio Lorente
> wrote:
>
> Dear friends,
>
> This week, the Board of Trustees accepted Lila’s resignation. Her last day
> will be March 31, 2016.
>
> I would l
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