of the city IT folks (not to mention the elected officials) who backed
the networks without first learning about how wireless technology really
works.
jack
George wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_hi_te/muni_wi_fi_hiccups
I am not a fan of muni wireless.
Geor
without first learning about how wireless technology
really works.
jack
George wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_hi_te/muni_wi_fi_hiccups
I am not a fan of muni wireless.
George
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own wisp!
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> > - Original Message - From: "George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> &
I had a 250 ft run that was acting up. I went from 1 amp power supplies
to 2 amp ones. Now it's not acting up. I am not an expert but from my
understanding you need to be careful when you add volts. Extra volts
will kill a radio but when you add amps it's fine because the radio only
pulls w
Marlon, I think I can appreciate most everything you've said. I can only
add to each of your points, while accepting your input, why I think that
your (and my) life would be better if we had some more constructive
requirements in the wisp market than "anything that fits the transmit mask".
It
Matt Liotta wrote:
Jack Unger wrote:
1. The attenuation between 2.4 GHz nodes is not enough to prevent each
node from hearing multiple other nodes as noise (thus more packet
retransmissions and more reduced throughtput). This requires
understanding link budgets, signal-to-noise ratios, and r
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Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:23 PM
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Rich, with all due respect, your idea has a REALLY big flaw in it.
I love debate. I'll take that as a challenge :-)
t;>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> abnout $3700 each and Cisco recommends 18-20 per square mile. Thats
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> $74,000
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tup Woes
$173K per mile build out cost? Somebody just bought a new boat..
c
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Behalf Of George
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Jack,
Not a problem. This discussion needed the information and no one else
posted it. I have been reading up on this network since
Ken went to the MuniWireless Show in Atlanta. Unfortunately some of the
articles I read are no longer available.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
Jack Unger wrote:
Dawn
gt;>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: chris cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 07:26 AM
>>>> To: ''WISPA General List''
>>>> Subject:
Rich, with all due respect, your idea has a REALLY big flaw in it.
I love debate. I'll take that as a challenge :-)
Once government sets a standard, it's going to be a very long time before
anything new comes along.
No Darwinism (government standards, really that's what the old Ma Bell
syst
The wireless physics discussion in another thread here applies as well. After 100 meters propogation delays can be an issue. If it works, no problem, but be aware, I have seen things work for years and then it quits.
If you need the power calculations for your run, feel free to hit me offlist
Marlon K. wrote:
It's funny. I thought that getting the local businesses on broadband
would help me sell more of it. People would use it at work and want
it at home too right? Wrong. They just do all of their stuff at work
and sometimes cancel even the dialup!
This is because people do
Thanks, Scott. So, increased voltage is
something to try.
And your comment on the cat5 being too far...it was
considered initially but the ethernet interface on these units is a 10mb/half
duplex interface. My experience tells me that I can reliably do 10mb/half
duplex ethernet with 500 f
First, 450' is way too far for really reliable ethternet, if it is cat 5.
Voltage drops due to resistance in the wire. Voltage = Current * Resistance. Longer wire has more resistance. You will need to increase the voltage of the power supply based on the current rating of the device(s) at t
Jack Unger wrote:
1. The attenuation between 2.4 GHz nodes is not enough to prevent each
node from hearing multiple other nodes as noise (thus more packet
retransmissions and more reduced throughtput). This requires
understanding link budgets, signal-to-noise ratios, and receiver
threshold sp
The SR9 cards might be interesting for this app...
chris
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OK Matt, being a
OK Matt, being a creative person, you can then suggest the use of DSL
for the backhaul...
jack
Matt Liotta wrote:
How do you raise the antennas above the trees without building really
tall poles? Trees around here are 60-70ft.
City-owned fiber only exists in places with
Hello...got a run of cat5 about 450' that is
working but doesn't seem to be sufficiently powering the amplifier built into
the antenna. The device is a Terabeam EtherAnt-Turbo/LR (same as
Proxim's Terastar EtherAnt/LR). It works but SNR should be better.
If I power the thing locally (25'
How do you raise the antennas above the trees without building really
tall poles? Trees around here are 60-70ft.
City-owned fiber only exists in places with enough density that there
aren't any trees to begin with. Residential areas generally have lots of
trees and no reason for fiber runs.
42846865 (icq)And I run my own
wisp!
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Then the 5 GHz backhaul network must have antennas that are raised above
the trees. Another option is to backhaul with city-owned fiber.
Backhauling on 900 MHz is a possible third option. All it takes is rf
knowledge, creativity, and cooperation.
jack
M
nal boosters" (I read that as amps) to anyone
>>>that wants them for $170?
>>>
>>>Oh man, this deployment is gonna come CRASHING down. Hard.
>>>
>>>It's really too bad these people are too ignorant, stubborn or just
>>>plain stupid to
ant, stubborn or just
> >> plain stupid to call any of us in to help.
> >>
> >> sigh
> >>
> >> Marlon
> >> (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
> >> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consul
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tubborn or just
> >> plain stupid to call any of us in to help.
> >>
> >> sigh
> >>
> >> Marlon
> >> (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
> >> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting s
Jack Unger wrote:
A multi-band mesh node does the backhaul on 5 GHz (sometimes with more
than one 5 GHz radio). This reduces (but certainly doesn't eliminate)
the 2.4 GHz self-interference and other-network-interference level.
You can't use 5 Ghz to go through trees here in Atlanta, so that w
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http://news.ya
Equipment sales
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
>> 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
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Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:08 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_hi_te/muni_wi_fi_hiccups
I am not a fan of muni wireless.
George
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Rich, with all due respect, your idea has a REALLY big flaw in it.
Once government sets a standard, it's going to be a very long time before
anything new comes along.
Pure Darwinism is bad in that it requires too much capital investment.
No Darwinism (government standards, really that's what
Matt Larsen Wrote:
> Every WISPA member should be watching their area diligently for
> muniwireless opportunities in their area, and working hard to get in on
> the ground floor...WISPs should be taking a proactive, positive stance toward
> muniwireless efforts. The munis are our most powerful
we
should be working WITH them, not against them.
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> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_hi_te/muni_wi_fi_hiccups
>
> I am not a fan of muni wireless.
>
> George
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I am not
body just bought a new boat..
c
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/2006042
.com/wireless
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>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Behalf Of George
>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:08 AM
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>>
All,
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2005/050831a.html
"As part of the HP Metro-scale Wi-Fi solution, HP forged an alliance
with Tropos Networks and Aptilo Networks to help large communities of
all kinds - cities,
government agencies, large medical center and universities - achie
t;> c
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of George
>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:08 AM
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>> Subject: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes
>>
ould be working WITH them, not against them.
Matt Larsen
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George wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_hi_te/muni_wi_fi_hiccups
I am not a fan of muni wireless.
George
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And I run my own wisp!
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www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
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George wrote:
Almost every wisp today is using 2.4 to reach the customer and 5 gig
for infrastructure and high end customers. Are you saying that wisps
have to move off the existing spectrum and replace their equipment?
Here in Atlanta you can't use 2.4 unless it is indoors. In fact, you
hav
Anybody know how to bond 2 wireless internet channels ... ie.. verizon
+ cingular hsdpa? we're working on getting 240kbps... instead of
120kbps per card / network for a govt client. - bob
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irst learning about how wireless technology really works.
jack
George wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_hi_te/muni_wi_fi_hiccups
I am not a fan of muni wireless.
George
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I am not a fan of muni wireless.
George
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nology really
works.
jack
George wrote:
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John J. Thomas wrote:
inline...
First off, the WISPs have to have the guts to talk to the city. Many simply
refuse to do so, and are probably going to get the Muni WiFi shoved down their
throats.
I don't want to turn this into a battle of ideals.
But how many local wisps have been chose
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I am not
money, and possible loss of jobs on
the part of the city IT folks (not to mention the elected officials) who
backed the networks without first learning about how wireless technology
really works.
jack
George wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_hi_te/muni_wi_fi_hiccups
John,
Great points! Let me add a couple of thoughts:
Just selling connectivity in most areas is a closing opportunity (until
the Tele-Barons decide to tier their network anyway).
Govt is short sighted (until the next election). But a demo along with
a viable alternative solution can help y
of jobs on
>> the part of the city IT folks (not to mention the elected officials) who
>> backed the networks without first learning about how wireless technology
>> really works.
>> jack
>>
>> George wrote:
>>
>>> http://news.ya
elected officials) who
> backed the networks without first learning about how wireless technology
> really works.
>jack
>
> George wrote:
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_hi_te/muni_wi_fi_hiccups
> >
> > I am not a fan of muni wireles
oney, and possible loss of jobs on
the part of the city IT folks (not to mention the elected officials) who
backed the networks without first learning about how wireless technology
really works.
jack
George wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_hi_te/muni_wi_fi_hic
d officials) who
backed the networks without first learning about how wireless technology
really works.
jack
George wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_hi_te/muni_wi_fi_hiccups
>
> I am not a fan of muni wireless.
>
> George
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to mention the
elected officials) who backed the networks without first learning
about how wireless technology really works.
jack
George wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_hi_te/muni_wi_fi_hiccups
I am not a fan of muni wireless.
George
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etwork failure, waste of taxpayer money, and possible
>> loss of jobs on the part of the city IT folks (not to mention the
>> elected officials) who backed the networks without first learning
>> about how wireless technology really works.
>> jack
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>Behalf Of George
>Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:08 AM
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>Subject: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_hi_te/muni_wi_fi_hiccups
>
>I am not a
rk failure, waste of taxpayer money, and possible loss of jobs on
the part of the city IT folks (not to mention the elected officials) who
backed the networks without first learning about how wireless technology
really works.
jack
George wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/a
obs on the part of the city IT folks (not to mention the
elected officials) who backed the networks without first learning
about how wireless technology really works.
jack
George wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_hi_te/muni_wi_fi_hiccups
I am not a fan of mun
works without first learning about how wireless technology
really works.
jack
George wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_hi_te/muni_wi_fi_hiccups
I am not a fan of muni wireless.
George
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