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- Original Message -
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL
Yo, Mac. Read first.
I use them as clients, and am sorely disappointed with the performance of
Mikrotik in B mode.
I don't see what changing to a different SBC would do. For that matter, I
put Ikarus on a board half the price of the RB112 and got double the
throughput in the exact same spot.
Mark,
As quoted;
Income is, of course, a factor in broadband
adoption. As the table on page three shows,
15% of those who live in households with income
under $30,000 annually have
broadband compared with 57% of those in households
Mark,
I apologize for that!!
I miss-understood what you were doing with them and thought you were using
them as a backhaul solution - which they will do, but I didn't think a
person ought to complain for lousy throughput when he chose the solution.
Again - sorry!!
Mac
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Im sure this has been covered before..
Have any of you outsourced installations? If so, has it
been a positive experience, how much do you pay a contractor?
Thanks
Chris
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John,
Good to hear you got issues fixed, independent of the
manufacturer/vendor you used.
Regarding the radios you're using now.
Some of us, like our company, started with Alvarion and never
switched out.
It's hard to try other technologies that appear less expensive, when
the one
I don't disagree that many people choose Dial UP by Choice.
I'm just saying that 30% of America does not.
I don't have data on this, but neither does any one else, so of course it is
speculation.
I also think its a sales problem. Better sales and marketing targeted to the
Dial Up user would
The only thing that I forgot about is
Broadband may actually increase the sales of DialUP. So a higher market
share of BRoadband does not mean a lower market share of DialUP.
Everyone needs a Dial UP for redundancy, when their main broadband goes
down, which it eventually will, since its
Scriv,Congrads on the spectrum win.
What are you doing about equipment to operate in that spectrum range?
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
I'm glad to hear that John found success with Alvarion.
However, his post does leave out technical detail on why the equipment had
helped, which may be misleading to a reader.
I have found great success with Trango for many reasons, and will continue
to in comming years, and the fact that
I think what we really need is more telecommuting. That will help drop out
dependence on petrol, reduce the loads on the roads, save hours per day for
some folks, help moms stay home with the kids etc. I think it would also
help de-urbanize the country and make it much harder for terrorists
I'll be there.
Marlon
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Tom DeReggi wrote:
Scriv,Congrads on the spectrum win.
Thank you.
What are you doing about equipment to operate in that spectrum range?
That is the $100,000 question right now. 802.16e for mobility and fixed
wireless is designed strictly for TDD use. I have paired frequencies
which
Agreed that Trango has clearly fallen behind...way behind. However, the VL
is also far from being an end all solution. The VL has no mechanism to
avoid interference (No RX threshold etc.) other than just to retransmit.
Also, the VL does not offer the flexibility to change polarities on the fly.
Marlon,
Shouldn't that actually be wirelesscommuting or wificommuniting or
wommuting? :)
Travis
Microserv
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
I think what we really need is more telecommuting. That will help
drop out dependence on petrol, reduce the loads on the roads, save
hours per
I think in all fairness, we need to put a major factor to radio
selection out on the table too... price.
Trango retail pricing:
Trango Link10-EXT's are $1,500 for a complete link.
Trango 5830AP-EXTs are $1,095
Trango 5830SU-EXT's are $729
Trango FOX are $149
Alvarion pricing (not sure if this
Wow, seriously Marlon? You have as many dial-up guys? That is
interesting. Has your dial-up actually consistently grown these past few
years?
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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I wouldn't think you would be required to use FDD. 802.16e supports
varying channel widths, so you could for example deploy a multi-point
system with two 10Mhz channels or six 3Mhz channels all TDD.
-Matt
John Scrivner wrote:
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Scriv,Congrads on the spectrum win.
Thank
That's retail Travis. Actual pricing WISPs pay is far less. By the way,
that VL AU also delivers over 32Mbps net at the top mod and can scream
with VoIP.
Here are the net rates per mod for VL:
Avg Avg
FTPLayer 2
Modulation 1 4.96 5.56
Modulation
I have a potential customer that is looking to replace a fiber link with wireless. Need best recommendation for a 1.5mile clear LOS shot. Bridge as it is to replace a fiber link that goes switch to switch. And probably 45Mbps would be good.
Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless
I fully believe these payload rates are achievable in little or no noise
environments. I think it's important to add a disclaimer stating these
rates are theoretically obtainable under ideal conditions. In comparison a
product that has mechanisms to avoid noise or block noise will perform
Scott,
P-com 38ghz with DS3 to ethernet converters. 1ms ping times, 45Mbps
full-duplex (90Mbps total). Total equipment cost less than $3,000.
Check on ebay.
Travis
Microserv
Scott Reed wrote:
I have a potential customer that is looking to replace
a fiber link with wireless. Need
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Travis Johnson wrote:
P-com 38ghz with DS3 to ethernet converters. 1ms ping times, 45Mbps
full-duplex
(90Mbps total). Total equipment cost less than $3,000. Check on ebay.
As long as it doesn't rain. :)
Seriously, I've got two pair of these, and while they're rock-solid most
of the time, I
The NTIA only allows the use of the 1710 to 1720 MHz band that I now
have in CMA401 to be used with a max EIRP for the system (radio plus
antenna) of 1 watt and a max height above average terrain of 30 feet.
Their is NO practical use of 1710 to 1720 MHz as a tower base station
frequency,
This is what I would buy to replace a fiber in this case:
http://www.alvarion.com/B100/?ref=wispabanner
Scott Reed wrote:
I have a potential customer that is looking to replace a fiber link
with wireless. Need best recommendation for a 1.5mile clear LOS
shot. Bridge as it is to replace a
Patrick Leary wrote:
Here are the net rates per mod for VL:
Avg Avg
FTPLayer 2
Modulation 1 4.96 5.56
Modulation 2 7.28 8.16
Modulation 3 9.911.10
Modulation 4 14.35 16.09
Modulation 5 19.38 21.73
Modulation 6 26.77 30.01
David,
What are your signal levels on each side (the actual RSSI using the
management program)?
Even at 1.5 miles, with 2ft dishes I show you should have a -26db RSSI
and total downtime during a 1 year period of 7 minutes. (99.9%
uptime).
Travis
Microserv
David E. Smith wrote:
I'll ask Ed. He posted all the details on Mike Cowan's Alvarion support
list. I cut and pasted the mod rates from his original post. Ed?
David, what speeds (Net) are you getting relative to the mod rate you
are running?
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c:
Depends on what rain zone hes in,
but I agree that a 1.5 mile and certainly a .5 mile 38GHz shot should be a walk
in the park. I expect alignment is the issue and hes probably
lined up on a side lobe.
We spend an inordinate amount of time
aligning our 38GHz links. We also use very
On Thu, September 21, 2006 3:09 pm, Travis Johnson wrote:
What are your signal levels on each side (the actual RSSI using the
management program)?
I'd have to drive over to one end (or the other) to look, but IIRC, on
that longer link, it shows a signal of about -40 or so.
The link may
I fully believe these payload rates are achievable in little or no noise
environments. I think it's important to add a disclaimer stating these
rates are theoretically obtainable under ideal conditions. In comparison a
product that has mechanisms to avoid noise or block noise will perform
Ah. So in that case I would really like to hear from those with 4.0 in
the field in terms of what net rates are being achieved at what mods.
Lab is one thing, real world is quite another.
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
Certainly the B100 can and will probably
get you about 70mbps at that range (City of New Orleans gets 80mbps from a
short LOS link and AM gets over 60mbps sustained at 16 miles). It will also
trunk over 1,000 concurrent VoIP sessions. Not too much money, especially for
the value.
Scott,
I think the biggest problem you will have when trying to replace a
fiber line will be half-duplex vs. full-duplex. They are "used" to
full-duplex... and 99% of the unlicensed equipment is only half-duplex.
If you move to Orthogon or something that will do 200Mbps half-duplex,
you
I've heard of some folks using an OSPF router on both ends and two hdx
backhaul radios to simulate FDD, with excellent results. Added benefit
of having a backup link already in place if one radio fails. I will be
trying this on my next set of backhaul deployments.
Matt Larsen
[EMAIL
Congratulations Scriv, I know you will show us the way.-Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 12:20 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 blnThe band is 2110 to 2120 MHz and 1710 to
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
I've heard of some folks using an OSPF router on both ends and two
hdx backhaul radios to simulate FDD, with excellent results.
Added benefit of having a backup link already in place if one radio
fails. I will be trying this on my next set of
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Because, over the years I lost 100% of my high ARPU subs that used 5830-ext
in these areas. Yes that REALLY hurt the financials of my business. The
reason, is that its a high noise environment where we're attempting to
deploy, and its impossible to offer zero packet loss solutions with TDD
Yeah, I'm definately going this year to. I've learned that for me, ISPCON
is the one event that I just can't afford to miss.
I'd justify the trip just for the CEO-Talk Session alone. Session topics
are relavent and right on current need like always.
Hope to see many of you there.
Tom DeReggi
Brad,
I got an idea! How about Trango Fix ARQ for the 5830-EXT, so it can be like
old times, and we can sit and brag on the list how great our networks are?
One of the reasons StarOS is becoming such an exciting platform. StarOS can
be used as a multi-freq, Multi-polarity on the fly product.
Just remember OSPF does not detect packet loss, and does not properly switch
to backup channels or switches to frequently between channels on marginal
links. So when you use two spectrum channels for 1 link, you double your
chance that the link will get interference and degration.
Going two
Tom, so what you are changing the Trangos to ?
Also, you can hack yourself a EXT Fox ...
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom
Hello Tom,
Brag about networks? Still do! lol
Believe me when I say you're preaching to the choir when it comes to Trango.
It has been a wild ride UP with the 5800/5830 product and certainly a
disappointing DOWNWARD slide with the introduction of yet one miserable
Trango product after
Cat doesn't have my tongue Brad. I'm just doing my best not to take the
bait.
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday,
??? Simple question...no bait intended!
What's the saying or how does it go? Something about heat and the
kitchen...grin
Hey, don't be embarrassed about Coppell. It's only a 2MB circuit and so far
the VL is keeping up...barely.
Best,
Brad
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, Tom DeReggi wrote:
Just remember OSPF does not detect packet loss, and does not
properly switch to backup channels or switches to frequently
between channels on marginal links. So when you use two spectrum
channels for 1 link, you double your chance that the link will get
Now that Alvarion has dedicated a person to lend an ear to the wISP industry
and an Official Alvarion Representative is a member of the list I think this
is a good opportunity to field the pros and cons of the VL product.
What are the VL strong points vs. the shortcomings? Here are a few off the
snip
What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and
move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to
effectively battle it out. The reason is that if every time I hiot noise, I
move away from the channel, eventually others take those channels.,
Now that Alvarion has dedicated a person to lend an ear to the wISP industry
and an Official Alvarion Representative is a member of the list I think this
is a good opportunity to field the pros and cons of the VL product.
What are the VL strong points vs. the shortcomings? Here are a few off the
lol...too funny Charles.
Tom has a good point and I largely agree, however there are times when push
comes to shove and you have no option but to make a change. When that
happens running around rotating client antennas 90* all over town really
isn't an option. With Trango it's a simple command
That's why I asked, to what gear he was switching to ...
Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Thursday, September 21,
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