Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
For all of you guys looking at fiber. Be VERY careful. We've got it out here. Basically a municipal network, many of them in the state already. Many years old. It's normally several orders of magnitude more expensive than it's ever made out to be. Just the labor and digging up streets will bust many a budget. When digging up the roads conduit should certainly be laid to get ready for it though! laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I am seeing a future that is very much a mix of fiber, coax, wireless and twisted pair. Somewhat like it is now. I think we will see some ultra-high bandwidth roll-outs over all mediums that dwarf what we see in most situations today. I do see an emerging gravitation toward fiber / wireless as the predominant technologies for broadband deployment. We live in a time when the promise of $500 - 1.25 Gbps radios is not too far off. I am not talking about junk spectrum here. I am talking about licensed 70 to 90 Ghz millimeter-wave technology. These are licenses we can all get easily. I was talking to Jack Rickard not long ago about this technology and its impact going forward. I did not understand the advantages of moving the semiconductor platform for these millimeter-wave radios from SiGe (Silicon Germanium) to CMOS (Complementary Metal Oxide Semiconductor) that I had heard others touting as the next big move in this budding industry. Jack explained it to me as only he can. He said, "Shit John, it's like the difference between building chips out of diamonds or rusty nails.". It is an economic advantage obviously when it is put like that. I wish you guys could have been on that call. It was a trip. Anyway, I think there are some places where any one technology platform is the best choice and I think the delivery technologies are all continuing to mature and advance. Prices continue to fall and performance continues to increase in DSLAMs, Fiber Systems, Wireless Radio Technology, DOCSIS, etc. I see no reason to think there is a dead technology in the lot. I simply think that some will prove to be better in some applications than others. I do think that fiber is going to be a clear winner in the numbers game of which technology serves the highest number of bits in and out. That said I do not think people can fathom how much data will be "airborne" within the next few years. I have two "airborne" DS3 links on their way to me today. I believe these may last three years in their placement before being edged outward in the network. This is how my network grows. It parallels someone else's post here recently.Very little of my network is ever "Dead" technology. It simply gets re-allocated to the outermost edges of the network to lower demand areas as needs increase and change. When I outgrow the DS3 radio at my main tower then I am sure there will be $500 1.25 Gbps radios ready to put in their place. It is just the natural progression of the cycle of technology it seems to me. Let's just hope Uncle Sam does not screw things up too much under the new FCC leadership which seem to want to thwart the efforts of a growing and thriving industry. If any of you believe we have a "WISP friendly" FCC right now then I assure you that the facts do not support it. Do not wring your hands in fear though. As long as we can all work together as a group we will fight the battles for policy and law for this industry. I do not plan to sit idly by and let others put up barriers to opportunities. I plan to help make policy and law work for a balanced and fair framework we can all work within. WISPs are now officially very much on the radar. We have made an impression. Now Goliath is scared. Congratulations WISPs. You are officially important enough to be feared and controversial. In the FCC right now the term "WISP" is well known and understood from a policy standpoint. The term "WISP" is being used in policy hearings, legal debates, rulemakings, etc. We are officially a real industry. Now we just have to start handling this industry instead letting others handle it for us. If you are not already involved then it is time for you to pay up, show up or shut up. Pick your path. There is work to do. Merry Christmas, Scriv PS. You would think I would lighten up at Christmas time! Sorry so deep today guys! :-) George wrote: Money wise you may be right, not sure of t
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
agreed. I don't think of myself as a wireless guy. I'm a bit pusher. Want dailup, I got that. Want wireless? i got that. Want fiber? I got that too. Sometimes I think I should install a fur lined interior on the car and wear a bright red silk suit to work! grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I do not believe you laying fiber is at all a bad sign to your customers. You have been on the cutting edge of technology with wireless, why would you not do the fiber to continue on with your cutting edge technology deployment. It almost sounds like you believe wireless is better than fiber, but we all know fiber/wireless is the end game. If you are fiber and wireless, you are the cutting edge leader. My opinion. George John Scrivner wrote: I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
The WAR board is to Valemount what RB511 is to Mikrotik in that you can only run proprietary software on the hardware but the pro's of this are that the software can get better performance than if using generic x86 platform. Ony thing is that the performance increase with the RB511 over a WRAP isn't anywhere near as good as the performance increase of a WAR over a WRAP. BTW, the WRAP uses a Geode 266 which is lots slower than a Pentium 266. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: 23 December 2005 15:29 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Ron Wallace wrote: > That is exactly what I needed to hear, regarding the 2 OSs. Now a second > Q, what is the difference between the WRAP and WAR boards? In the good ole > USA these days, a WAR board may take on many definitions. And since the > CIA is monitoring e-mails I'm sure this will 'peak' their interest. And > where are you getting your boards? War violence ECHELON MI-6 Al-Qaeda hatecrime. There, that'll keep the CIA busy for a while. :D The WAR board is a specialized board that Valemount makes; you can get 'em from www.star-os.com. (Depending on how your network is laid out, you might want to wait another couple weeks until they finish the next revision of the software -- there are reports on the StarOS forums that bridging is more-or-less fried at this time.) WAR boards use an... interesting... processor (the Intel IXP 420, which I'd never even heard of before I first saw these boards), which basically means StarVX (their souped-up version of StarOS for this board) is the only thing you can use them for. WRAPs are widely available from your favorite wireless shop. It's basically a tiny Pentium-233. You get more flexibility in what you can run on a WRAP board (it's a standard x86-type processor, so you can run StarOS, RouterOS, heck, MS-DOS, probably even Windows 95 if you work at it), but there's not nearly as much performance there (it's a general-purpose board with an older processor). David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 23/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 23/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Mark Nash wrote: > What hardware is preferred to run the StarOS on? Most interested in the > AP, but for CPE as well? The neat thing about StarOS is that it's Linux-based, so it'll probably run on just about any old computer you've got sitting in the closet. :D If your traffic will stay under, say, 10Mbps aggregate at a given location, a WRAP board, or a Routerboard 200, will work splendidly. (Both those boards start hitting the limits of the CPU around there.) I prefer the Routerboard 200s, personally; they're a bit more expensive, but I like having PCMCIA slots and the option to add more RAM if I ever need it. And they seem to be a bit more tolerant of the OMG COLD weather, though I've seen a few of them get flaky when the temperatures fall below -10 degrees Fahrenheit. For CPE, I'd probably stick with WRAP boards. They're smaller and cuter. And wisp-router.com sells the indoor cases in a wide variety of colors to match most any carpet and drapes scheme. > I'm highly interested in bandwidth shaping and routing at the AP, and if > routing is available at the sector, then bonus. Bandwidth shaping works well, but can be a bit processor-intensive. With routing multiple subnets, running two separate wireless cards, and doing bandwidth shaping, a RB200 should be able to handle most of a hundred clients (one of my boards in that exact setup has about 70 clients and stays at 30-40% CPU usage). > Does the StarOS at the AP allow for: > > 1. Public IPs? We use all public IP's (usually kept to 1 per customer). Yep. (IPs are IPs, the software doesn't care whether they're public or RFC1918-private.) > 2. Static IPs? We route /30 subnets out to customers who require static > IP > addresses. That way they will never change even if the network does. So, > a > sub-question here is can we route multiple subnets to a single AP sector? Shouldn't be a problem. We route our network a bit differently - sending a /27 or so to a given location, and assigning static addresses out of that block to the customers - but in theory you should be able to put a larger quantity of /30s on an interface and it'll work just the same. > 3. DHCP reservations? (We use DHCP reservations...a low-cost low-security > solution to tell who's using what IP address without authentication.) It's in there, though the configuration syntax is a bit ugly until you're used to it. (You'll basically be editing a Linux dhcpd.conf file, and learning all its quirks will probably take a very small amount of trial-and-error.) Good luck! David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
ROFLMAO>-Original Message->From: David E. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 10:29 AM>To: 'WISPA General List'>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?>>Ron Wallace wrote:>>> That is exactly what I needed to hear, regarding the 2 OSs. Now a second>> Q, what is the difference between the WRAP and WAR boards? In the good ole>> USA these days, a WAR board may take on many definitions. And since the>> CIA is monitoring e-mails I'm sure this will 'peak' their interest. And>> where are you getting your boards?>>War violence ECHELON MI-6 Al-Qaeda hatecrime. There, that'll keep the CIA>busy for a while. :D>>The WAR board is a specialized board that Valemount makes; you can get 'em>from www.star-os.com. (Depending on how your network is laid out, you>might want to wait another couple weeks until they finish the next>revision of the software -- there are reports on the StarOS forums that>bridging is more-or-less fried at this time.) WAR boards use an...>interesting... processor (the Intel IXP 420, which I'd never even heard of>before I first saw these boards), which basically means StarVX (their>souped-up version of StarOS for this board) is the only thing you can use>them for.>>WRAPs are widely available from your favorite wireless shop. It's>basically a tiny Pentium-233. You get more flexibility in what you can run>on a WRAP board (it's a standard x86-type processor, so you can run>StarOS, RouterOS, heck, MS-DOS, probably even Windows 95 if you work at>it), but there's not nearly as much performance there (it's a>general-purpose board with an older processor).>>David Smith>MVN.net>-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe:>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless>>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/> -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Ron Wallace wrote: > That is exactly what I needed to hear, regarding the 2 OSs. Now a second > Q, what is the difference between the WRAP and WAR boards? In the good ole > USA these days, a WAR board may take on many definitions. And since the > CIA is monitoring e-mails I'm sure this will 'peak' their interest. And > where are you getting your boards? War violence ECHELON MI-6 Al-Qaeda hatecrime. There, that'll keep the CIA busy for a while. :D The WAR board is a specialized board that Valemount makes; you can get 'em from www.star-os.com. (Depending on how your network is laid out, you might want to wait another couple weeks until they finish the next revision of the software -- there are reports on the StarOS forums that bridging is more-or-less fried at this time.) WAR boards use an... interesting... processor (the Intel IXP 420, which I'd never even heard of before I first saw these boards), which basically means StarVX (their souped-up version of StarOS for this board) is the only thing you can use them for. WRAPs are widely available from your favorite wireless shop. It's basically a tiny Pentium-233. You get more flexibility in what you can run on a WRAP board (it's a standard x86-type processor, so you can run StarOS, RouterOS, heck, MS-DOS, probably even Windows 95 if you work at it), but there's not nearly as much performance there (it's a general-purpose board with an older processor). David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Matt/Paul/Others: Thanks for the flow of info. What hardware is preferred to run the StarOS on? Most interested in the AP, but for CPE as well? I'm highly interested in bandwidth shaping and routing at the AP, and if routing is available at the sector, then bonus. Does the StarOS at the AP allow for: 1. Public IPs? We use all public IP's (usually kept to 1 per customer). 2. Static IPs? We route /30 subnets out to customers who require static IP addresses. That way they will never change even if the network does. So, a sub-question here is can we route multiple subnets to a single AP sector? 3. DHCP reservations? (We use DHCP reservations...a low-cost low-security solution to tell who's using what IP address without authentication.) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 325 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? > I would echo Pauls sentiments, exactly. > > StarOS has been great for me, and seems to get the most out of the > hardware that I run it on. I have some WAR boards, but they are not in > production yet - I'm waiting for v3 to be ported over before putting > them up. There are three things that I really like about StarOS: > > 1) Reliability - The code is stable and almost every single failure I > have had with AP or backhaul radios has been something to do with the > hardware it was running on. Sometimes it can be a little sensitive, > but generally it is very good and provides excellent troubleshooting > information for a hardware related failure > > 2) Versatility - You can run it like a regular bridged AP, you can > route individual subnets to each card, you can do bandwidth control at > the AP, you can run DNS/DHCP/OSPF/Squid/Hotspot etc etc right there at > the AP. I believe most of these features are in Mikrotik as well, so > just consider that to be plusses for both of them. > > 3) Ease of Use - The StarOS interface is very straightforward and full > of excellent tools and documentation examples. I have taught several > "green" techs how to run it in a very short period of time. The > Mikrotik interface - not so easy. You can do a lot of basic stuff with > Winbox on the Mikrotik, but the text-based interface harks back to the > days of Cisco IOS for me. I don't really feel a strong need to go back > there. > > One other important reason for preferring StarOS is that it has an > excellent driver for the Orinoco/Lucent chipset cards. I don't believe > Mikrotik has one. Someone recently told me that using the Orinoco > chipset cards was "so 1999", but the combination of a Lucent card > with a YDI amplifier has been extremely stable for me and provides > excellent results especially in long range and high-noise environments. > For my environment, there is simply no better card/amp combination. And > it works best in StarOS. > > I do like Mikrotik a lot - in fact my core router is a Mikrotik. It has > a lot of routing features that StarOS doesn't have, and works great for > that. I know that a lot of people are also using it for AP and CPE as > well, with plenty of success. We are very fortunate to have tools like > these available to us. > > Matt Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Paul Hendry wrote: > > > Hey Ron and happy Crimbo to you all, > > > > > > > > Ah, that old chestnut. I think this question has been asked on every > > forum and list I have ever been on. In general, StarOS has always come > > out on top in any point-to-point and point-to-multipoint tests we have > > done even with Mikrotik running nstreme. Certainly on the WRAP > > platform StarOS is able to pass almost double the traffic than > > Mikrotik before the CPU becomes the issue. I believe Mikrotik have > > significantly improved the wireless driver in the latest test wireless > > package but haven’t had a chance to test it yet. StarVX running on the > > new WAR boards is amazingly fast and we have seen wireless throughput > > tests on the 4 port board that outperforms both Mikrotik and StarOS > > running on P4 systems. However, there are several bugs in StarVX which > > has caused Valemount to give up development of StarVX and port there > > upcoming V3 StarOS to the WAR platform. Unfortunately, there is > > expected to be a bit of a performance hit with this L > > > > RouterOS does have a lot more features than StarOS and features like > > vla
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Thanks Paul, Crimbo?, you lot do speak a different version of the proper form of Language. However, I must admit that the British pint is a 'proper pint', especially where a 'proper pint of bitter' is concerned. That is exactly what I needed to hear, regarding the 2 OSs. Now a second Q, what is the difference between the WRAP and WAR boards? In the good ole USA these days, a WAR board may take on many definitions. And since the CIA is monitoring e-mails I'm sure this will 'peak' their interest. And where are you getting your boards? Your input is desired, and I appreciate all your time and energy responding to a novice. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I would echo Pauls sentiments, exactly. StarOS has been great for me, and seems to get the most out of the hardware that I run it on. I have some WAR boards, but they are not in production yet - I'm waiting for v3 to be ported over before putting them up. There are three things that I really like about StarOS: 1) Reliability - The code is stable and almost every single failure I have had with AP or backhaul radios has been something to do with the hardware it was running on. Sometimes it can be a little sensitive, but generally it is very good and provides excellent troubleshooting information for a hardware related failure 2) Versatility - You can run it like a regular bridged AP, you can route individual subnets to each card, you can do bandwidth control at the AP, you can run DNS/DHCP/OSPF/Squid/Hotspot etc etc right there at the AP. I believe most of these features are in Mikrotik as well, so just consider that to be plusses for both of them. 3) Ease of Use - The StarOS interface is very straightforward and full of excellent tools and documentation examples. I have taught several "green" techs how to run it in a very short period of time. The Mikrotik interface - not so easy. You can do a lot of basic stuff with Winbox on the Mikrotik, but the text-based interface harks back to the days of Cisco IOS for me. I don't really feel a strong need to go back there. One other important reason for preferring StarOS is that it has an excellent driver for the Orinoco/Lucent chipset cards. I don't believe Mikrotik has one. Someone recently told me that using the Orinoco chipset cards was "so 1999", but the combination of a Lucent card with a YDI amplifier has been extremely stable for me and provides excellent results especially in long range and high-noise environments. For my environment, there is simply no better card/amp combination. And it works best in StarOS. I do like Mikrotik a lot - in fact my core router is a Mikrotik. It has a lot of routing features that StarOS doesn't have, and works great for that. I know that a lot of people are also using it for AP and CPE as well, with plenty of success. We are very fortunate to have tools like these available to us. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul Hendry wrote: Hey Ron and happy Crimbo to you all, Ah, that old chestnut. I think this question has been asked on every forum and list I have ever been on. In general, StarOS has always come out on top in any point-to-point and point-to-multipoint tests we have done even with Mikrotik running nstreme. Certainly on the WRAP platform StarOS is able to pass almost double the traffic than Mikrotik before the CPU becomes the issue. I believe Mikrotik have significantly improved the wireless driver in the latest test wireless package but haven’t had a chance to test it yet. StarVX running on the new WAR boards is amazingly fast and we have seen wireless throughput tests on the 4 port board that outperforms both Mikrotik and StarOS running on P4 systems. However, there are several bugs in StarVX which has caused Valemount to give up development of StarVX and port there upcoming V3 StarOS to the WAR platform. Unfortunately, there is expected to be a bit of a performance hit with this L RouterOS does have a lot more features than StarOS and features like vlan support are much better with Mikrotik. The main gripe with Mikrotik is the support and attitude however this seems to be improving too. Because they both have pro’s and con’s we use StarOS/VX for all wireless links (inc. CPE’s) and Mikrotik for core routers, traffic shapers, etc. Cheers, P. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Ron Wallace *Sent:* 22 December 2005 23:11 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Paul, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to you and your family. How would you compare StraOS/VX to Mikrotik RouterOS? -Original Message- From: Paul Hendry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 03:52 PM To: ''WISPA General List'' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I get about 25 meg aggregate through StarOS on WRAP boards and have seen at least double this on a 2 port WAR board running StarVX. Testing was done using 2 Mikrotik routers at each end with random UDP traffic. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: 22 December 2005 18:14 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Have you actually seen these speeds? I have never seen a Star OS installation do more than about 17 meg aggregate. If you have seen this then by all means please share the details of the actual hardware used and configuration if you do not mind. Thank you,
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Hey Ron and happy Crimbo to you all, Ah, that old chestnut. I think this question has been asked on every forum and list I have ever been on. In general, StarOS has always come out on top in any point-to-point and point-to-multipoint tests we have done even with Mikrotik running nstreme. Certainly on the WRAP platform StarOS is able to pass almost double the traffic than Mikrotik before the CPU becomes the issue. I believe Mikrotik have significantly improved the wireless driver in the latest test wireless package but haven’t had a chance to test it yet. StarVX running on the new WAR boards is amazingly fast and we have seen wireless throughput tests on the 4 port board that outperforms both Mikrotik and StarOS running on P4 systems. However, there are several bugs in StarVX which has caused Valemount to give up development of StarVX and port there upcoming V3 StarOS to the WAR platform. Unfortunately, there is expected to be a bit of a performance hit with this L RouterOS does have a lot more features than StarOS and features like vlan support are much better with Mikrotik. The main gripe with Mikrotik is the support and attitude however this seems to be improving too. Because they both have pro’s and con’s we use StarOS/VX for all wireless links (inc. CPE’s) and Mikrotik for core routers, traffic shapers, etc. Cheers, P. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wallace Sent: 22 December 2005 23:11 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Paul, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to you and your family. How would you compare StraOS/VX to Mikrotik RouterOS? >-Original Message- >From: Paul Hendry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 03:52 PM >To: ''WISPA General List'' >Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? > >I get about 25 meg aggregate through StarOS on WRAP boards and have seen at >least double this on a 2 port WAR board running StarVX. Testing was done >using 2 Mikrotik routers at each end with random UDP traffic. > >Cheers, > >P. > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of John Scrivner >Sent: 22 December 2005 18:14 >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? > >Have you actually seen these speeds? I have never seen a Star OS >installation do more than about 17 meg aggregate. If you have seen this >then by all means please share the details of the actual hardware used >and configuration if you do not mind. >Thank you, >Scriv > > >noc.kl.terranova.net wrote: > >> VIA with StarOS on 5.2/5.3 will get 100Mb. WAR board might do same. - cw >> >>>>>> John Scrivner wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a >>>>>>> backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized >>>>>>> at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at >>>>>>> least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this >>>>>>> solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does >>>>>>> a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am >>>>>>> considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main >>>>>>> connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends >>>>>>> the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going >>>>>>> all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. >>>>>>> Scriv >>>>>> >-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 21/12/2005 > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 21/12/2005 > > >-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 21/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 23/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Paul, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to you and your family. How would you compare StraOS/VX to Mikrotik RouterOS?>-Original Message->From: Paul Hendry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 03:52 PM>To: ''WISPA General List''>Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?>>I get about 25 meg aggregate through StarOS on WRAP boards and have seen at>least double this on a 2 port WAR board running StarVX. Testing was done>using 2 Mikrotik routers at each end with random UDP traffic.>>Cheers,>>P.>>-Original Message->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On>Behalf Of John Scrivner>Sent: 22 December 2005 18:14>To: WISPA General List>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?>>Have you actually seen these speeds? I have never seen a Star OS >installation do more than about 17 meg aggregate. If you have seen this >then by all means please share the details of the actual hardware used >and configuration if you do not mind.>Thank you,>Scriv>>>noc.kl.terranova.net wrote:>>> VIA with StarOS on 5.2/5.3 will get 100Mb. WAR board might do same. - cw>>>>>>>> John Scrivner wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a >>>>>>> backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized >>>>>>> at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at >>>>>>> least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this >>>>>>> solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does >>>>>>> a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am >>>>>>> considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main >>>>>>> connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends >>>>>>> the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going >>>>>>> all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback.>>>>>>> Scriv>>>>>>>-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe:>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless>>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/>>-- >No virus found in this incoming message.>Checked by AVG Free Edition.>Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 21/12/2005> >>-- >No virus found in this outgoing message.>Checked by AVG Free Edition.>Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 21/12/2005> >>-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe:>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless>>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/> -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
I get about 25 meg aggregate through StarOS on WRAP boards and have seen at least double this on a 2 port WAR board running StarVX. Testing was done using 2 Mikrotik routers at each end with random UDP traffic. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: 22 December 2005 18:14 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Have you actually seen these speeds? I have never seen a Star OS installation do more than about 17 meg aggregate. If you have seen this then by all means please share the details of the actual hardware used and configuration if you do not mind. Thank you, Scriv noc.kl.terranova.net wrote: > VIA with StarOS on 5.2/5.3 will get 100Mb. WAR board might do same. - cw > >>>>> John Scrivner wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a >>>>>> backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized >>>>>> at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at >>>>>> least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this >>>>>> solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does >>>>>> a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am >>>>>> considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main >>>>>> connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends >>>>>> the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going >>>>>> all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. >>>>>> Scriv >>>>> -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 21/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 21/12/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Nstream2 on P4 should get you close to about 50Mbps FDX > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of John Scrivner > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:14 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? > > Have you actually seen these speeds? I have never seen a Star OS > installation do more than about 17 meg aggregate. If you have seen this > then by all means please share the details of the actual hardware used > and configuration if you do not mind. > Thank you, > Scriv > > > noc.kl.terranova.net wrote: > > > VIA with StarOS on 5.2/5.3 will get 100Mb. WAR board might do same. - cw > > > >>>>> John Scrivner wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a > >>>>>> backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized > >>>>>> at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at > >>>>>> least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this > >>>>>> solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does > >>>>>> a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am > >>>>>> considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main > >>>>>> connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends > >>>>>> the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going > >>>>>> all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. > >>>>>> Scriv > >>>>> > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 12/21/2005 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 12/21/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Have you actually seen these speeds? I have never seen a Star OS installation do more than about 17 meg aggregate. If you have seen this then by all means please share the details of the actual hardware used and configuration if you do not mind. Thank you, Scriv noc.kl.terranova.net wrote: VIA with StarOS on 5.2/5.3 will get 100Mb. WAR board might do same. - cw John Scrivner wrote: I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
VIA with StarOS on 5.2/5.3 will get 100Mb. WAR board might do same. - cw John Scrivner wrote: I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
I am seeing a future that is very much a mix of fiber, coax, wireless and twisted pair. Somewhat like it is now. I think we will see some ultra-high bandwidth roll-outs over all mediums that dwarf what we see in most situations today. I do see an emerging gravitation toward fiber / wireless as the predominant technologies for broadband deployment. We live in a time when the promise of $500 - 1.25 Gbps radios is not too far off. I am not talking about junk spectrum here. I am talking about licensed 70 to 90 Ghz millimeter-wave technology. These are licenses we can all get easily. I was talking to Jack Rickard not long ago about this technology and its impact going forward. I did not understand the advantages of moving the semiconductor platform for these millimeter-wave radios from SiGe (Silicon Germanium) to CMOS (Complementary Metal Oxide Semiconductor) that I had heard others touting as the next big move in this budding industry. Jack explained it to me as only he can. He said, "Shit John, it's like the difference between building chips out of diamonds or rusty nails.". It is an economic advantage obviously when it is put like that. I wish you guys could have been on that call. It was a trip. Anyway, I think there are some places where any one technology platform is the best choice and I think the delivery technologies are all continuing to mature and advance. Prices continue to fall and performance continues to increase in DSLAMs, Fiber Systems, Wireless Radio Technology, DOCSIS, etc. I see no reason to think there is a dead technology in the lot. I simply think that some will prove to be better in some applications than others. I do think that fiber is going to be a clear winner in the numbers game of which technology serves the highest number of bits in and out. That said I do not think people can fathom how much data will be "airborne" within the next few years. I have two "airborne" DS3 links on their way to me today. I believe these may last three years in their placement before being edged outward in the network. This is how my network grows. It parallels someone else's post here recently.Very little of my network is ever "Dead" technology. It simply gets re-allocated to the outermost edges of the network to lower demand areas as needs increase and change. When I outgrow the DS3 radio at my main tower then I am sure there will be $500 1.25 Gbps radios ready to put in their place. It is just the natural progression of the cycle of technology it seems to me. Let's just hope Uncle Sam does not screw things up too much under the new FCC leadership which seem to want to thwart the efforts of a growing and thriving industry. If any of you believe we have a "WISP friendly" FCC right now then I assure you that the facts do not support it. Do not wring your hands in fear though. As long as we can all work together as a group we will fight the battles for policy and law for this industry. I do not plan to sit idly by and let others put up barriers to opportunities. I plan to help make policy and law work for a balanced and fair framework we can all work within. WISPs are now officially very much on the radar. We have made an impression. Now Goliath is scared. Congratulations WISPs. You are officially important enough to be feared and controversial. In the FCC right now the term "WISP" is well known and understood from a policy standpoint. The term "WISP" is being used in policy hearings, legal debates, rulemakings, etc. We are officially a real industry. Now we just have to start handling this industry instead letting others handle it for us. If you are not already involved then it is time for you to pay up, show up or shut up. Pick your path. There is work to do. Merry Christmas, Scriv PS. You would think I would lighten up at Christmas time! Sorry so deep today guys! :-) George wrote: Money wise you may be right, not sure of the entire situation that john is involved with. But the focus today is on fiber. And how the community you serve perceives your company is very important. We talked about fiber in 2001 and today people still ask us when the fiber is going to be deployed. Lately our City has been doing telecommunications studies and fiber is the key word. Everyone who studies the future of broadband and connectivity comes to the conclusion that fiber is the technology that has the most potential in terms of potential to keep up with and surpass any thing that comes down the pike. When everyone was copper a lot of us isps were pioneering wireless, now that wireless is the hot topic, we need to keep our minds open on what is available to deploy and fiber is the other option. In Johns case, which is similar to mine, Charter is rolling out fiber builds. They are leap frogging ahead. Charter and Telco is our competition and we have to consider our future when considering what we deploy today and what our long term
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Money wise you may be right, not sure of the entire situation that john is involved with. But the focus today is on fiber. And how the community you serve perceives your company is very important. We talked about fiber in 2001 and today people still ask us when the fiber is going to be deployed. Lately our City has been doing telecommunications studies and fiber is the key word. Everyone who studies the future of broadband and connectivity comes to the conclusion that fiber is the technology that has the most potential in terms of potential to keep up with and surpass any thing that comes down the pike. When everyone was copper a lot of us isps were pioneering wireless, now that wireless is the hot topic, we need to keep our minds open on what is available to deploy and fiber is the other option. In Johns case, which is similar to mine, Charter is rolling out fiber builds. They are leap frogging ahead. Charter and Telco is our competition and we have to consider our future when considering what we deploy today and what our long term investments are. I believe our initial fiber deployment is the biggest hurdle. I myself am working towards a fiber build out to jump ahead of what is coming down the pike. I am not saying the end of wireless is in sight, I am saying we need to mature our networks to what the future demands will require. My opinions. George Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Agreed, but if you can do it for 2 grand why spend 12? If the ebay radios are reliable, then skip the fiber in my opinion. Might as well take the 10 grand that is left over and install another 25 subs. ;) George wrote: I do not believe you laying fiber is at all a bad sign to your customers. You have been on the cutting edge of technology with wireless, why would you not do the fiber to continue on with your cutting edge technology deployment. It almost sounds like you believe wireless is better than fiber, but we all know fiber/wireless is the end game. If you are fiber and wireless, you are the cutting edge leader. My opinion. George John Scrivner wrote: I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
With the 12K you can put 2 38 ghz links and have lots of spare change Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Agreed, but if you can do it for 2 grand why spend 12? If the ebay radios are reliable, then skip the fiber in my opinion. Might as well take the 10 grand that is left over and install another 25 subs. ;) George wrote: > I do not believe you laying fiber is at all a bad sign to your customers. > You have been on the cutting edge of technology with wireless, why > would you not do the fiber to continue on with your cutting edge > technology deployment. > > It almost sounds like you believe wireless is better than fiber, but > we all know fiber/wireless is the end game. > > If you are fiber and wireless, you are the cutting edge leader. > > My opinion. > > George > > > > John Scrivner wrote: > >> I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a >> backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at >> this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 >> meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be >> under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? >> I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but >> I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed >> broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential >> customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber >> connections. I welcome your feedback. >> Scriv >> > > -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Agreed, but if you can do it for 2 grand why spend 12? If the ebay radios are reliable, then skip the fiber in my opinion. Might as well take the 10 grand that is left over and install another 25 subs. ;) George wrote: I do not believe you laying fiber is at all a bad sign to your customers. You have been on the cutting edge of technology with wireless, why would you not do the fiber to continue on with your cutting edge technology deployment. It almost sounds like you believe wireless is better than fiber, but we all know fiber/wireless is the end game. If you are fiber and wireless, you are the cutting edge leader. My opinion. George John Scrivner wrote: I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
I do not believe you laying fiber is at all a bad sign to your customers. You have been on the cutting edge of technology with wireless, why would you not do the fiber to continue on with your cutting edge technology deployment. It almost sounds like you believe wireless is better than fiber, but we all know fiber/wireless is the end game. If you are fiber and wireless, you are the cutting edge leader. My opinion. George John Scrivner wrote: I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I would second that- you can usually find good quality ( stratex for example ) used backhauls on ebay for around a few grand. - Jeff On Dec 20, 2005, at 3:35 AM, G.Villarini wrote: John , Youre best and cheap option here is a 38 ghz lic. Backhaul. For around $1000 or less you can buy the whole DS3 link with antennas, youll need to buy a pair of DS3 to Ethernet converters if you want Ethernet (around $1500 or less for the pair). The license lease is around $500 anually This will give you a full duplex 45 mbps link with a 1 - 2 ms round trip delay Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:09 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Tom DeReggi wrote: Who can do one for $10K? However, isn't Proxim's gear 60 Ghz, right? There is a big difference between the capabilties of 60Ghz vs 70Ghz of Gigabeam. 60Ghz is effected much larger by Oxygen absorbion. so... 60Ghz- reliable to half mile. 70Ghz - reliable to 2.5 miles. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband Agreed...But I thought John said 1500' ??? And how many do you want??? :-) -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US & Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Who can do one for $10K? However, isn't Proxim's gear 60 Ghz, right? There is a big difference between the capabilties of 60Ghz vs 70Ghz of Gigabeam. 60Ghz is effected much larger by Oxygen absorbion. so... 60Ghz- reliable to half mile. 70Ghz - reliable to 2.5 miles. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? He can do a Proxim GigaLink for $10K. Fiber interface, 1.25Gb. -B- Tom DeReggi wrote: For around $1000 a month I think you can get a 1 gbps wireless link from Gigabeam, that would work for that distance I think. Atlas has been working great for us, using 5.3 for that short distance, you likely can get the full 54 mbps. We are getting about 36 mbps throughout for a 14 mile link we have live. But then again that does not meet the spec you are asking for of 50mbps full duplex. You probably can use one of the Tsunami radios that bond several 5.3 channels, or the YDI ElinkIIs that I think use double channels (FDD). None of these will give you the FULL 50 mbps Full duplex you are asking for though. I think they peak out around 30 mbps full Duplex real throughput. Because your range is so close, maybe you should jump up to 23 Ghz? Although you probably can't pull that off for 8 grand. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US & Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
He can do a Proxim GigaLink for $10K. Fiber interface, 1.25Gb. -B- Tom DeReggi wrote: For around $1000 a month I think you can get a 1 gbps wireless link from Gigabeam, that would work for that distance I think. Atlas has been working great for us, using 5.3 for that short distance, you likely can get the full 54 mbps. We are getting about 36 mbps throughout for a 14 mile link we have live. But then again that does not meet the spec you are asking for of 50mbps full duplex. You probably can use one of the Tsunami radios that bond several 5.3 channels, or the YDI ElinkIIs that I think use double channels (FDD). None of these will give you the FULL 50 mbps Full duplex you are asking for though. I think they peak out around 30 mbps full Duplex real throughput. Because your range is so close, maybe you should jump up to 23 Ghz? Although you probably can't pull that off for 8 grand. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US & Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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This help? http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&fstype=1&from=R10&satitle=38+ghz&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&bs=Search&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=ZIP%2FPostal&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=1&fsoo=1 I ebayed "38 ghz" Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: A. OK. I've watch for them some but never seen any actually show up. Thanks, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Search on ebay for "38ghz". There are quite a few Pcom complete systems for $600-$800 with antennas. Then you need a DS3 to ethernet converter (like mentioned). Those are $800 for each side. Then you have to have a ROCK SOLID mounting point on each side. The beamwidth on 38ghz with 2ft dishes is like 1 degree. Maximum distance (per spec) is 2 miles. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: $1000 per LINK? How? Heck, I could even justify some of that around here! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Cliff Leboeuf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:24 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Ditto! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? John , Youre best and cheap option here is a 38 ghz lic. Backhaul. For around $1000 or less you can buy the whole DS3 link with antennas, youll need to buy a pair of DS3 to Ethernet converters if you want Ethernet (around $1500 or less for the pair). The license lease is around $500 anually This will give you a full duplex 45 mbps link with a 1 - 2 ms round trip delay Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:09 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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60ghz Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? For around $1000 a month I think you can get a 1 gbps wireless link from Gigabeam, that would work for that distance I think. Atlas has been working great for us, using 5.3 for that short distance, you likely can get the full 54 mbps. We are getting about 36 mbps throughout for a 14 mile link we have live. But then again that does not meet the spec you are asking for of 50mbps full duplex. You probably can use one of the Tsunami radios that bond several 5.3 channels, or the YDI ElinkIIs that I think use double channels (FDD). None of these will give you the FULL 50 mbps Full duplex you are asking for though. I think they peak out around 30 mbps full Duplex real throughput. Because your range is so close, maybe you should jump up to 23 Ghz? Although you probably can't pull that off for 8 grand. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? >I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul >radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. >It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg >half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is >pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or >so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main >connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong >message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town >selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. > Scriv > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/207 - Release Date: 12/19/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Hello John, please let me know if I can help you in any way. You can visit our website for product information: www.plaintree.com -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 20, 2005 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: Jason Lee Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Anytime the budget allows it I run wires. Wireless is great but there's no guarantee of service as it's unlicensed. Yes we can do a very good job by buying good gear and being smart about the design etc. But. Also, anytime you can use wires you free up valuable spectrum for ptmp systems and that's where we really shine eh? Having said that I'd look at some of the FSO options. I've cc'd the boys at Plaintree Systems to see if they can help you out. If you want to get fancy with some switches etc. you could always run a pair of Airaya links and have almost 40 megs full duplex (one system sending and one rec.). Proxim has gear that'll do what you ask, but who wants them these days? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? >I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul >radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. >It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg >half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is >pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or >so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main >connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong >message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town >selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. > Scriv > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
grin. I have a shot up to a radio station tower that has a bit of everything on it. It would be nice to have a better link up to there. I love my Airaya gear but it's still unlicensed. And with at least 3, probably more, competitors near, and with the MAC center up there, a radio station, tv translator, and I don't even want to know how many cell phone guys the place is a pain. Now to find those ds3 to ethernet converters :-) Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dylan Oliver To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? On 12/20/05, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A. OK. I've watch for them some but never seen any actually show up.I see you're going for one now! Good luck bidding.Best,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
On 12/20/05, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A. OK. I've watch for them some but never seen any actually show up. I see you're going for one now! Good luck bidding. Best,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
A. OK. I've watch for them some but never seen any actually show up. Thanks, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Search on ebay for "38ghz". There are quite a few Pcom complete systems for $600-$800 with antennas. Then you need a DS3 to ethernet converter (like mentioned). Those are $800 for each side. Then you have to have a ROCK SOLID mounting point on each side. The beamwidth on 38ghz with 2ft dishes is like 1 degree. Maximum distance (per spec) is 2 miles. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: $1000 per LINK? How? Heck, I could even justify some of that around here! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Cliff Leboeuf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:24 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Ditto! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? John , Youre best and cheap option here is a 38 ghz lic. Backhaul. For around $1000 or less you can buy the whole DS3 link with antennas, youll need to buy a pair of DS3 to Ethernet converters if you want Ethernet (around $1500 or less for the pair). The license lease is around $500 anually This will give you a full duplex 45 mbps link with a 1 - 2 ms round trip delay Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:09 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Search on ebay for "38ghz". There are quite a few Pcom complete systems for $600-$800 with antennas. Then you need a DS3 to ethernet converter (like mentioned). Those are $800 for each side. Then you have to have a ROCK SOLID mounting point on each side. The beamwidth on 38ghz with 2ft dishes is like 1 degree. Maximum distance (per spec) is 2 miles. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: $1000 per LINK? How? Heck, I could even justify some of that around here! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Cliff Leboeuf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:24 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Ditto! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? John , Youre best and cheap option here is a 38 ghz lic. Backhaul. For around $1000 or less you can buy the whole DS3 link with antennas, youll need to buy a pair of DS3 to Ethernet converters if you want Ethernet (around $1500 or less for the pair). The license lease is around $500 anually This will give you a full duplex 45 mbps link with a 1 - 2 ms round trip delay Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:09 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
$1000 per LINK? How? Heck, I could even justify some of that around here! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Cliff Leboeuf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:24 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Ditto! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? John , Youre best and cheap option here is a 38 ghz lic. Backhaul. For around $1000 or less you can buy the whole DS3 link with antennas, youll need to buy a pair of DS3 to Ethernet converters if you want Ethernet (around $1500 or less for the pair). The license lease is around $500 anually This will give you a full duplex 45 mbps link with a 1 - 2 ms round trip delay Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:09 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Anytime the budget allows it I run wires. Wireless is great but there's no guarantee of service as it's unlicensed. Yes we can do a very good job by buying good gear and being smart about the design etc. But. Also, anytime you can use wires you free up valuable spectrum for ptmp systems and that's where we really shine eh? Having said that I'd look at some of the FSO options. I've cc'd the boys at Plaintree Systems to see if they can help you out. If you want to get fancy with some switches etc. you could always run a pair of Airaya links and have almost 40 megs full duplex (one system sending and one rec.). Proxim has gear that'll do what you ask, but who wants them these days? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
No, we get full speed on this link. 44.5mbps in each direction at the same time using Mikrotik to test. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Travis, That is the one I was referring to (when I reference YDI ElinkII or was it CX) before it evolved to the current product line. Are you getting full 45 mbps? I heard you could only get around 30 mbps real thoughput. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Hi, We have used a Terabridge 5345 (now Proxim) and have been very happy. 45mbps full duplex, 10/100 ethernet, external antenna connectors, web and snmp management, 2ms latency (even at full load), etc. The 5345 is 5.3ghz and the 5845 is 5.8ghz. The only issue will be the price... brand new they are around $9k plus antennas. Travis Microserv John Scrivner wrote: I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Ditto! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G.Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? John , Youre best and cheap option here is a 38 ghz lic. Backhaul. For around $1000 or less you can buy the whole DS3 link with antennas, youll need to buy a pair of DS3 to Ethernet converters if you want Ethernet (around $1500 or less for the pair). The license lease is around $500 anually This will give you a full duplex 45 mbps link with a 1 - 2 ms round trip delay Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:09 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
John , Youre best and cheap option here is a 38 ghz lic. Backhaul. For around $1000 or less you can buy the whole DS3 link with antennas, youll need to buy a pair of DS3 to Ethernet converters if you want Ethernet (around $1500 or less for the pair). The license lease is around $500 anually This will give you a full duplex 45 mbps link with a 1 - 2 ms round trip delay Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:09 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Why not a laser? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:09 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject:[WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Likewise.. I've had good luck with atlas on 10 miles. 30 megabits throughput. I have a spare pair for sale if you want them contact me offline. I like the fact they have 5.2/5.4/5.7 - even though 5.4 isn't entirely ready it'll do it, they say. Good luck Tom DeReggi wrote: For around $1000 a month I think you can get a 1 gbps wireless link from Gigabeam, that would work for that distance I think. Atlas has been working great for us, using 5.3 for that short distance, you likely can get the full 54 mbps. We are getting about 36 mbps throughout for a 14 mile link we have live. But then again that does not meet the spec you are asking for of 50mbps full duplex. You probably can use one of the Tsunami radios that bond several 5.3 channels, or the YDI ElinkIIs that I think use double channels (FDD). None of these will give you the FULL 50 mbps Full duplex you are asking for though. I think they peak out around 30 mbps full Duplex real throughput. Because your range is so close, maybe you should jump up to 23 Ghz? Although you probably can't pull that off for 8 grand. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Travis, That is the one I was referring to (when I reference YDI ElinkII or was it CX) before it evolved to the current product line. Are you getting full 45 mbps? I heard you could only get around 30 mbps real thoughput. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? Hi, We have used a Terabridge 5345 (now Proxim) and have been very happy. 45mbps full duplex, 10/100 ethernet, external antenna connectors, web and snmp management, 2ms latency (even at full load), etc. The 5345 is 5.3ghz and the 5845 is 5.8ghz. The only issue will be the price... brand new they are around $9k plus antennas. Travis Microserv John Scrivner wrote: I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
For around $1000 a month I think you can get a 1 gbps wireless link from Gigabeam, that would work for that distance I think. Atlas has been working great for us, using 5.3 for that short distance, you likely can get the full 54 mbps. We are getting about 36 mbps throughout for a 14 mile link we have live. But then again that does not meet the spec you are asking for of 50mbps full duplex. You probably can use one of the Tsunami radios that bond several 5.3 channels, or the YDI ElinkIIs that I think use double channels (FDD). None of these will give you the FULL 50 mbps Full duplex you are asking for though. I think they peak out around 30 mbps full Duplex real throughput. Because your range is so close, maybe you should jump up to 23 Ghz? Although you probably can't pull that off for 8 grand. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul? I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
Hi, We have used a Terabridge 5345 (now Proxim) and have been very happy. 45mbps full duplex, 10/100 ethernet, external antenna connectors, web and snmp management, 2ms latency (even at full load), etc. The 5345 is 5.3ghz and the 5845 is 5.8ghz. The only issue will be the price... brand new they are around $9k plus antennas. Travis Microserv John Scrivner wrote: I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback. Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
