Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save my life)

2005-08-17 Thread Bob Moldashel
Dude.. Only if its free??? That's putting alot of value on your life Staying tied off 100% of the time is great but only if you are anchored to the right stuff. For example, there is no way to safely attach a standard 6' "Y" fall arrest system to Rohn 25 or 45G. Did you know that?

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save my life)

2005-08-17 Thread Mike Healy
H, sounds to me like you better find a class than can teach you common sense cause you sure ain't got any. I agree with Bob's rant. with one addition... IF (and that is a big if) the local fire dept has a ladder it is only going to go up less than 100' for one and they are not t

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save my life)

2005-08-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
If you want to sponsor me, I'll go. I have no funds for that. Rant some more.nope.still don't have money. I did order a hard hat as well, so I guess I'm on the right track. Also, I did plan on attaching the lanyard to the tower legs because I feel they are stronger compared to the c

[WISPA] winog

2005-08-17 Thread G.Villarini
Any winog news ? Gino -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save my life)

2005-08-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Sure is nice to ask for advice and be insulted. If you know so much about how I climb, tell me what I have done wrong. Or start asking me trick questions that I'll answer wrong. Than you may insult me. Mike Healy wrote: H, sounds to me like you better find a class than can teach you c

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save my life)

2005-08-17 Thread George
Brian :) Your only 21 years old, CONGRATS! When I read about guys like you and Kurt , who is still in high school and running a wisp, it makes me happy and proud of you guys that are starting life embracing a business and making a go at it. So keep up the hard work, someday you'll look back o

Re: [WISPA] Vehicle mount hpol omni?

2005-08-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Most omni antennas are very low gain.  And the lower the gain the less the xpol.   Try the Mobile Mark mag mount omni antennas.  Available in 3dB or so.  I'll bet you do just fine with those.   Marlon(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)

Re: [WISPA] Vehicle mount hpol omni?

2005-08-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Is there any hpol 900mhz mobile antennas out there? Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Most omni antennas are very low gain.  And the lower the gain the less the xpol.   Try the Mobile Mark mag mount omni antennas.  Available in 3dB or so.  I'll bet you do just fine with t

RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save mylife)

2005-08-17 Thread G.Villarini
21 and high school? George, you flunked kindergarten 3 times ? :-) Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 200

Re: [WISPA] winog

2005-08-17 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
yeah, it was happening. :) My competitor's network operator is over there on some presentation about network monitoring Hope that all gave him heck for me... hehehehe North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purch

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save mylife)

2005-08-17 Thread George
Brian is 21. Kurt is in high school. Guess I mushed them together :) George G.Villarini wrote: 21 and high school? George, you flunked kindergarten 3 times ? :-) Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message-

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save my life)

2005-08-17 Thread A. Huppenthal
My thought was : how can WISPA help improve safety for members? I climb more than I care to, frankly. Safety is the #1 objective. *nothing* is more important. Consider weather, weight, structure, attachment, ropes.. the list is long and I agree, a seminar/training is the way to go. Between jets

RE: [WISPA] winog

2005-08-17 Thread Jeff Mabry
WISPA: Good morning, You are missing out on some very useful information from seasoned Operators on a wide range of gear. It has been nice to hear the success stories from the Canopy and Trango operators. I have enjoyed the comparison sessions on the Backhauls and 900 MHz gear. Good advanced

RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)

2005-08-17 Thread G.Villarini
Ohhh ok, jeje! Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISP

RE: [WISPA] winog

2005-08-17 Thread G.Villarini
Any info on the backhaul bash would be appreciated... who won ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Mabry Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 20

RE: [WISPA] winog

2005-08-17 Thread Mike Delp
I second the vote for St. Louis. We have already offered to help with the bandwidth. It was great meeting you Jeff. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Mabry Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subjec

[WISPA] The climb safe thread

2005-08-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Maybe I can't afford training, or maybe I don't want to allocate the funds for training.  Either way, there are more people out there just like me. Since I was recently informed about my lack of common sense climbing, I figured a thread needs to be started.  Everyone please post any pointers y

[WISPA] For those of you having trouble deciding if this is right for you....

2005-08-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I'd been begged for months to put together a story on how I got into the wisp business. We're waiting for hardware to come in so I've finally had the play time to get it written up. I hope that this helps some of you either get going or quit wasting time: http://cbdd.typepad.com/rural/ laters

Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread

2005-08-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
What are some of the alternative good training programs other than Comtrain?   My advice as a novice, is...   Don't underestimate the strength it takes to climb to higher heights. Once you realize that its to far for your physique its to late, you still have the hardest part left, going back

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save mylife)

2005-08-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
Brian, I fully agree with George. Only issue is that when you start young, you usually don't know what you don't know, and become over confident. So be cautious about that. I see it way to often. The advantage of people that start out working for someone else in a specific trade, is they le

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save mylife)

2005-08-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
"IF you do that, you know at minimum, you won't fall to your death." I consider myself very observant. I will also always look for any piece of the tower that could be compromised. I understand that just because it still stands does not mean it is safe. I still believe that common sense if

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)

2005-08-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
Brain, I still believe that common sense if better than an educated idiot. I fully agree with you. However, what you fail to realise is that if you consider yourself a common sense person, and you get training, you will be a trained common sense person. Which is better than a common sense

RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)

2005-08-17 Thread JohnnyO
Anytime ANYONE climbs for us - They have a double lanyard (shock cord) for going up the tower - they also have chain hooks for positioning and working on the tower - We also have cable grab safety systems on most of our towers currently and will be completely covered with the grab systems on all to

Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread

2005-08-17 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Not sure if you want to modify your advice of "tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength" after you read the following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers in doing so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)

2005-08-17 Thread Scott Reed
Some of this gets down to a very basic problem.  If you can't afford to get the proper training, what else can you not afford?  Customers do not care what you can or can not afford.  The care about the service you provide. I would suggest going back to your business plan and reviewing the who

[WISPA] new GOOGLE MAP Ready for Beta Testing

2005-08-17 Thread Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
Team.   http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-service/   is ready to be beta tested...   oddly.. it's missing some of the data that comes up in my admin screen at http://wifi-hotspot.wirelessinternetcoverage.com/inputpreview.html   try them both and let me know if your wisp shows in the ADMIN

[WISPA] Google map UPDATE

2005-08-17 Thread Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
team, the ADD A WISP feature is right now being programmed back in.. I'll let you know when it's ready...   Show other sites... yes.. We are thinking about showing 1 central point per wisp THEN if the user is interested in seeing more.. the number of points can expand to show all your ap's or footp

Re: [WISPA] new GOOGLE MAP Ready for Beta Testing

2005-08-17 Thread Blair Davis
None of my entries show up in either page  :-( I use Netscape 7.2, but I tried IE as well. And it seemed to take closer to a min to refresh. Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor wrote: Team.   http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-service/   is ready to be beta te

RE: [WISPA] Google map UPDATE

2005-08-17 Thread JohnnyO
Title: Message Thanks Robert - Can't Wait - You're awesome for doing this for us.   JohnnyO -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Kim Wireless Internet AdvisorSent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:02 PMTo: WISPA General ListS

Re: [WISPA] Google map UPDATE

2005-08-17 Thread Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
Johnny,   no problem... the website is benefiting my company greatly too ... with out your WISP data.. i'd get much less traffic... so its a win win.. the way things work best! thanks!  On 8/17/05, JohnnyO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks Robert - Can't Wait - You're awesome for doing this for us

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)

2005-08-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Let me say it this way.  I don't want to pay for it. Scott Reed wrote: Some of this gets down to a very basic problem.  If you can't afford to get the proper training, what else can you not afford?  Customers do not care what you can or can not afford.  The care about the service you

RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)

2005-08-17 Thread JohnnyO
Title: Message Scott - I really hate to blow the whistle on your post to Brian - but - I myself like many many dozens of others on the list - want to know - What is a Business Plan ! LOL   JohnnyO -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf O

Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread

2005-08-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
Lonnie, Interesting Arcticle. First, I want to correct a previous statement. What I wrote was not what I meant. When I was suggesting using the seat, I didn't mean actually sit down, what I meant was use the seat. I use the lanyard to attach at the seat side D-Rings, and lean back so my legs

Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread

2005-08-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
http://www.comtrainusa.com/Tower%20Tech/ttech.htm While we're on the topic, wouldn't it be best to take this class too?  If your climbing towers, you should know how to build one.  That is the only way you might determine if one is safe to climb. Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Not sure if you want

Re: [WISPA] Google map UPDATE

2005-08-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
>We are thinking about showing 1 central point per wisp   Advise against that.  There is no central point in a large multi-region network. It would defeat the purpose of a coverage map.  We can already go to a list like PART-15 Wisp locater and find broad coverage area for a provider, withou

RE: [WISPA] winog

2005-08-17 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Jeff Mabry wrote: >WiNOG 3 - How about St. Louis, MO? Yeah...I'd vote for that. Or Malden, MO. Population 5000. :-) -- Butch Evans BPS Networks http://www.bpsnetworks.com/ Bernie, MO Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wir

Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread

2005-08-17 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
I agree. If you have ever seen one come down you know that it should be built correctly, and not by some guy who is cheap and dirty. A poorly constructed or installed tower can do much property damage and can even kill. I think common sense is great, but professional sense with respect to techni

Re: [WISPA] winog

2005-08-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
And then there is always Grand Rapids, MI.  :) Heck, as long as it is in the midwest. Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Jeff Mabry wrote: WiNOG 3 - How about St. Louis, MO? Yeah...I'd vote for that. Or Malden, MO. Population 5000. :-) -- WISPA Wireless

Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread

2005-08-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Now rock climbing, that sounds fun.  I wonder how far $600 would go in a rock climbing club. Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: I agree. If you have ever seen one come down you know that it should be built correctly, and not by some guy who is cheap and dirty. A poorly constructed or installed tower

Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread

2005-08-17 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
The time to rescue is the next best thing to not having the incident in the first place. Any mistake on a tower is a whole world of hurt. Lonnie On 8/17/05, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lonnie, > > Interesting Arcticle. > > First, I want to correct a previous statement. What I wrot

RE: [WISPA] winog

2005-08-17 Thread Gino Villarini
How about some nice caribbean sun down here in Puerto Ricoocean front conference room with bikini view !   Gino From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian RohrbacherSent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:10 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] winog And th

Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread

2005-08-17 Thread George
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Not sure if you want to modify your advice of "tie-of and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength" after you read the following link. It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not aware of the dangers in doing so. http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonew

RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)

2005-08-17 Thread Scott Reed
Well, Johnny, A business plan is a package of paper that one puts together in the spare time they have before they start to implement said plan and find out they had no clue what they were doing, and now that they are doing something else, they no less about what they are doing.  :) I have not

Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread

2005-08-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Am I correct in thinking that this one http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10200 will kill you faster than this one? http://www.midwestunlimited.com/store_detail.lasso?-Token.id=10192 I would think the seat strap takes pressure off the leg straps. I'm thinking the leg

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)

2005-08-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
All I know is I was suppose to sell out by now an own my own island somewhere.  :) Just kidding, I understood from the get go this is no get rich quick scheme. Scott Reed wrote: Well, Johnny, A business plan is a package of paper that one puts together in the spare time they have

RE: [WISPA] The climb safe thread

2005-08-17 Thread Dustin Jurman
Don't know about that but look at the sala's. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread Am I correct in thinking tha

[WISPA] Gas Prices

2005-08-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Is anyone bumping up their install or monthly fees to offset high gas prices? Gas went up over 60 cents this week. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] Gas Prices

2005-08-17 Thread Jeromie Reeves
We hit 2.60/gal this week. I heard some places are over 3.00/gal. This is insane. Just 3 more years of it, anyone think they can make it at 5/gal? Time for a air powered car. http://www.theaircar.com/ or maybe just a bicycle Jeromie Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Is anyone bumping up their install

Re: [WISPA] Gas Prices

2005-08-17 Thread George
Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Is anyone bumping up their install or monthly fees to offset high gas prices? Gas went up over 60 cents this week. If you can get away with it. But I don't think Qwest or Charter are raising there rates because of gas. I think this is just the cost of doing business an

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)

2005-08-17 Thread Scott Reed
Remember, Brian, we all want you to succeed.  There has been nothing here that isn't intended to give you a better start than some of those that started earlier.  No need for either of us to make the mistakes others have made.  Give it your best shot and ask for help all along.  The advice here

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)

2005-08-17 Thread Mac Dearman
I would be willing to bet that their aint more than 3 people who have actually attended and completed a climbing school. I have been climbing for years and have never been to an actual school that I had to pay for. I have yet to fall, bust a chin or a nut on a tower. I may fall in the mornin

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)

2005-08-17 Thread Mac Dearman
I meant 3 people on this list!!! Mac Mac Dearman wrote: I would be willing to bet that their aint more than 3 people who have actually attended and completed a climbing school. I have been climbing for years and have never been to an actual school that I had to pay for. I have yet t

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)

2005-08-17 Thread A. Huppenthal
First thing I do is get some leather soled, slip on shoes. I walk through the mud and hop on the tower. I take an extra jacket that I tie off to my waist and, if my legs get tired, re-tie it to the tower leg and around me. Normally, the backpack I have on is filled with tools - I bring everyth

Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)

2005-08-17 Thread George
:) Alex You forgot to mention the blindfold. Too funny. :) Glad wisps have a cents of humor George A. Huppenthal wrote: First thing I do is get some leather soled, slip on shoes. I walk through the mud and hop on the tower. I take an extra jacket that I tie off to my waist and, if my legs