Merle,
Sure...as long as you tie it back to zen it's fair game as far as I'm
concerned. What this article is talking about is what Buddhism calls
'suffering'.
Western medicine tries to alleviate it by prescribing medications.
Most religions try to alleviate it by prescribing faith in God.
Suresh,
I think HR should arrange for AAA, BBB, MMM, XXX, YYY, ZZZ, MD/Owner, GM and
GDM to spend two weeks together at a meditative retreat before any of them make
any more statements or take any more decisions.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@...
Dear Bill,
Are you joking. It is not practical. I have given real situation
happening in my company and I am also involved (BBB).
So advice me real course of action.
--
Thanks and best regards
J.Suresh
New No.3, Old No.7,
Chamiers road - 1st Lane,
Alwarpet,
Chennai - 600018
Ph: 044 42030947
Suresh,
Yes I was joking in my previous comment - kind of. I tried to give you a
response that in some way was relevant to the focus of this Zen Forum.
There are too many participants in this story to try to understand what's going
on well enough to tell you what I would do in each of their
No, Merle.
Awakening dawns in a lightning flash. There is no time taken.
Experience this, and be happy. It may last for days, or months. It depends on
one's preparations (overall practice).
It is not a one-shot deal: awakenings are possible continuously.
Awakenings are mostly a
Edgar,
There is no math out there.
She would be very upset if she heard that you really believe or insist
personally upon this. In fact, you may begin to experience negative effects
soon, considering your views expressed here/there, which seem firm, inflexible,
uninformed, or insular.
joe's back.
welcome
merle
Edgar,
There is no math out there.
She would be very upset if she heard that you really believe or insist
personally upon this. In fact, you may begin to experience negative effects
soon, considering your views expressed here/there, which seem firm,
Merle,
Your sequence is interesting, but not essential.
And it's irrelevant to Zen work.
Realization, awakening, have nothing to do with math, or logic, or truth (where
truth is given as yes, no).
In awakening, a view opens which is True. But it is not yes, no!
You'll see.
--Joe
Merle
Merle,
No, that statement itself is Art, and is not Life, Cousin.
Tell it to my Neon Tetras.
Life and Art?
Take a look:
Each one is OK. They are not each other. Just like you and me, who have
different names. Or does it just seem that way? No, we have different names.
And are different
Merle,
quoting:
joe's back.
And my front, too!
Hiya; been birding.
Great Fourth of July outing, continuing onwards.
Blessings, all'a you'all,
as some people say,
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
joe's back.
welcome
merle
Joe wrote:
There is no math
Joe,
How does nature operate according to the laws of nature if there is no math out
there?
It obviously couldn't and because it does nature is obviously a computational
process based on the logic and math of reality...
Edgar
On Jul 11, 2013, at 6:28 PM, Joe wrote:
Edgar,
There is no
Edgar,
Nothing and no one needs to know anything about math except Humans.
Or maybe ET, somewhere.
And it took Humans a few million years to assume that they knew any math at all.
That answers your question.
Nature has no laws. That is delusion, for sure. Nature is Nature. Humans see
joe..is there no rhyme and reason in nature...
what would charles darwin's thoughts be?
we might see the mathematics in nature
and this might be best described
as the order of things
mother nature
she works to a plan
she's no dope
and she may not have laws
but there's something going on
joe..i need clarification on this..and as always the rule is it must be zen
like in appearance...merle
Merle,
No, that statement itself is Art, and is not Life, Cousin.
Tell it to my Neon Tetras.
Life and Art?
Take a look:
Each one is OK. They are not each other. Just like you and
joe..thank you for your clarification...merle
Merle,
Your sequence is interesting, but not essential.
And it's irrelevant to Zen work.
Realization, awakening, have nothing to do with math, or logic, or truth (where
truth is given as yes, no).
In awakening, a view opens which is True.
joe..so awakening is not a spring storm from what i gather here..
.how can you make that clear assumption?..
can not it be a spring storm?...
you have made clarification here
however i am yet to be convinced...
merle
No, Merle.
Awakening dawns in a lightning flash. There is no time
Merle,
Nature has its ways, and its wends.
We know little about it, or about them.
Inside, we're OK when we ask NO questions.
When we ask questions, we must answer them -- if at all -- in a language that
is NOT Nature's. Because... Nature has no language.
Don't fall -- please -- for the
Merle,
Thanks asking, Dearie.
I hope it suits Zen, but ...life is not art, and art is not life.
That's why they go by different names, Cousin.
That's why my Cousin is Merle, and that's why your Cousin is Joe.
Do you get it?
This is not Rocket Engineering! Easy stuff.
--Joe
ps (there's
Merle,
Conviction is up to you to find, or be blessed by the circumstances, or
instance, of its arriving.
I only speak from experience, and do not mislead. But, recall that I have
practiced formally, and in the orthodox fashion of the Chan or Zen Buddhist
sect. We did not make these things
joe... is not there an art to living well?... and hence one strives to do this
through the zen experience?...merle
Merle,
Thanks asking, Dearie.
I hope it suits Zen, but ...life is not art, and art is not life.
That's why they go by different names, Cousin.
That's why my Cousin is
Good Point Bill.
I liked it. I need to learn not to interfer in other's matters.
Hope zen practice will help at this.
--
Thanks and best regards
J.Suresh
New No.3, Old No.7,
Chamiers road - 1st Lane,
Alwarpet,
Chennai - 600018
Ph: 044 42030947
Mobile: 91 9884071738
Bill,
How can there be the brain of a sentient being if there is no self?
You keep trapping yourself in inconsistencies because your basic belief is
inconsistent...
Edgar
On Jul 9, 2013, at 11:01 PM, Bill! wrote:
Chris,
Again, using your language below which talks about the brain's
Edgar,
When I wrote about the brain and these concepts below I said this was not my
choice of analogy. It is inconsistent but was not my choice of analogies. I
would never equate 'brain' and 'mind' or 'brain' and 'sentient'.
For all I know there are sentient beings that don't have eyes,
Bill,
If there is only monistic experience, then where do all the dualistic delusions
that arise IN YOUR MIND come from?
Where do I come from since you think I'm only a delusion in your mind? And
where does the delusion of your mind come from if there is only monistic
experience?
Something
Edgar,
There is not ONLY monistic experience. Monistic experience is Buddha Nature.
I am human. I also have Human Nature. Human Nature is characterized by having
an intellect which generates dualism/pluralism - delusions.
You shouldn't be asking ME where I think YOU come from. YOU should
I'm with you 100% except for preceding. To me it seems to be different
categories - what you are calling experiencing is not a step in the
process. I can't say what I think it is.
Anyways, thanks for your patience.
And Edgar, there's no self, never has, regardless of whatever level of zen
Chris,
I'm not locked-in to the preceding aspect. As I've said on this thread I am
not so concerned with the 'how' all this happens. I just know it happens.
Monistic experience and pluralistic perceptions may indeed take place at the
same time. In fact that does make some sense because
Bill,
One more question on this:
Do you envision what you are calling experience to be a step in the brains
normal functioning of responding to the environment in whatever way that
the brain does that, or something slightly at an angle to the work of
transforming sensory stimulation into mental
Chris,
Again, using your language below which talks about the brain's functions which
would not be my choice of analogy...so please don't quote me on this outside of
this thread.
The way I see it experience is one of the most basic and fundamental functions
of the brain of a sentient being.
Chris,
IMO 'jet-lagged', disappointment or feeling guilty of disappointing someone
else are all perceptions. These has nothing to do with sensory experience.
('Jet-lagged' may be in a different category here if you are talking about the
physical effects, but the mental and emotional effects
Chris,
From a pluralistic POV everything is relative.
Form a monisitc POV there is just One and it is absolute - Just THIS!
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
I missed this earlier.
Isn't every thing relative? Even the absolute is relative, (I
So to encounter the monistic is not yet enlightenment? The monistic and
the pluralistic fit together like a box and lid?
Sometimes you write like you are trying to separate pieces of the brain
into stages of neural processing, and sometimes it sounds like one of your
stages is not really a
Chris brings up a couple of good questions to start out his comment below: So
to encounter the monistic is not yet enlightenment? The monistic and the
pluralistic fit together like a box and lid?
IMO monistic experience (Buddha Nature) is not what is usually referred to as
'enlightenment'.
On Sat, 7/6/13, Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote:
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and
Karma
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 6, 2013, 1:13 AM
And PBS, was there some non-rhetorical point
about mind moves? Other
On Sat, 7/6/13, Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and
Karma
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 6, 2013, 1:13 AM
And PBS, was there some non-rhetorical point
about mind moves? Other than
I appreciate your going out on a limb here.
I like your explanation and find it quite clear.
My question tho was more like, if your body/mind is calm and balanced, how
can that mental state not enter the sensual experience of
sight/sound/tasting/etc.? If you have sensory experience on a day
Bill, you used an example of some cultures finding fox fur beautiful and
some cultures finding fox fur (on people) to be barbaric.
I was trying to point to a conception (yes) of beauty that wouldn't be as
abstract as this type of thing has the character of beauty but would
confine itself to, oh,
I missed this earlier.
Isn't every thing relative? Even the absolute is relative, (I cheated
once and listened rather than just chanted.)
Still, among humans, beauty is a good word, useful.
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
On Jul 5, 2013 6:26 PM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
Chris,
You
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
On Jul 5, 2013 6:22 PM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
Chris,
Yes, I believe the human intellect is the origin of your judgement of
what's beautiful and what's not.
You're example below is a good one to illustrate this:
I have heard some music without
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and
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Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 3:43:48 AM
mike...postal address please i'll send
Merle,br/br/If we're talking about the same 'shrooms, then do you know you
by posting them you could face a 2 to 25 year sentence and possible forfeiture
of your house? Best hang onto them until I make it over to NSW
sometime!br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Merle,br/br/Congrats on your sale - it must be satisfying to have someone
appreciate what you do to the point of paying money for it.br/br/I agree
with Bill! that art, maths are only universal in that they apply to humans. The
only things that are truly universal are the factors Buddha found:
think we have different kinds of mushrooms
in mind!
Mike
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause
Merle,br/br/Yeh, but I was originally talking about the shrooms they
traditionally don't serve in your local restaurant.. ;
)br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and
Karma
Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:41:11 AM
, I think we have different kinds of mushrooms
in mind!
Mike
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To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause
br/Merle,br/br/If you go to Mars or the furthest galaxy away from us you
will find impermanence, cause and effect, dependent origination, but you won't
find art. In relative terms, your 2 hands exist and can be seen, touched etc.,
but the number '2' exists only in logic and the minds of
Chris,
Are you saying you don't know HOW I draw such a bright line between experience
and perceptions? Or are you saying you don't know WHY I draw the line?
'How' is easy. Experience is sensual and monistic (Buddha Nature).
Perceptions are intellectualizations and pluralistic (Human
Now we're on the same page!br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Bill!br/br/You're becoming quite the 'Buddhist'! Glad you can see that just
saying, Just THIS! doesn't suit all
occasions.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Pudgala,
I do partially agree with you definition of 'perception' below when you
describe it as mental pictures formed in the brain I usually just call
these 'concepts' or 'intellectualizations', or even just 'thoughts'.
The problem we are having communicating is that you are using the
Merle,
Experience (as I define it - sensual) is always real as real as real can be.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 so bill...experience is always real as real as real can be? merle
Â
Merle,
Yes. Experience is not a delusion.
Merle,
The 'bamboozling' is done by your intellect. What you're describing is not
pure experience, it's a perception - perhaps what you'd call a false
perception. Like thinking you see something but when you go check there's
nothing there. That's a fault of your perception, not your
'2' exists only in logic and the minds of men.
Mike
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect
ah i see..as if i did not before merle
Now we're on the same page!
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From: Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye
sensual...what about non sensual?..merle
Merle,
Experience (as I define it - sensual) is always real as real as real can be.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 so bill...experience is always real as real as real can be? merle
Â
goodness me i had better hang up my hat with my art...it's all based on
perception... and now your saying it's all false!..
how come i can communicate with folk in that fashion then?...
is their understanding false...and without a word being said they and me are on
the same page?..merle
Merle,
My intellect judged them to be beautiful. That judgement was probably
something I learned to mimic from hearing other people describe things as
beautiful.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
Â
 bill..how do you know they were
Merle,
I believe someone is attached to their intellect when they believe their
intellectualizations are real.
I am using my intellect right now to write this sentence.
You can use your intellect (or anything else, like your car) and not be
attached to it.
...Bill!
--- In
bill..are you saying you are happy to accept second hand experiences?...merle
Merle,
My intellect judged them to be beautiful. That judgement was probably
something I learned to mimic from hearing other people describe things as
beautiful.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com,
huh bill?
if you are not attached to your car it cannot be driven to your destination
so on that premises a car is real
hence one's intellectualisations are real
surely?
merle
Merle,
I believe someone is attached to their intellect when they believe their
intellectualizations are
Merle,
There is no non-sensual experience. Anything non-sensual is delusion.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 sensual...what about non sensual?..merle
Â
Merle,
Experience (as I define it - sensual) is always real as real as real can
Merle,
You can communicate to other folk with art because they are human. They have
Human Nature which is to say an intellect, emotions, etc...
It would be the same as communicating via language or mathematics or facial
expressions. These only work because you are directing them to another
Merle,
All experiences are first-hand. They are sensual.
Perceptions come from your intellect. The way they are constructed is learned.
For example some Western subcultures perceive the wearing of the skin and head
of a dead fox around your neck as beautiful. Some subcultures would perceive
There's life on Mars? You'd better break the news to David
Bowie!br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
You mean you knew and you were going to send them by mail?? You rebel,
you!br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Merle,br/br/I think the confusion here is because you're referring to the
relative (nothing wrong with that!) and Bill! is talking from the
absolute.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and
Karma
Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:28:04 AM
ah i see..as if i did not before merle
Now we're on the same page!
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From: Merle Lester merlewiit
: Re: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and
Karma
Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 9:27:10 AM
no no no mike..life is art and art is life..merle
Merle,
If you go to Mars or the furthest galaxy away from us you will find
impermanence, cause and effect, dependent
cold as hell..
huh..
hell is hot from what i last heard...
folk raised many a kiddy in siberia...
so what's stopping mankind from raising kiddies in mars?..
merle
Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids
In fact it's cold as Hell
And there's no one there to raise them if you
i see..so an example of pure perception please bill...merle
Merle,
All experiences are first-hand. They are sensual.
Perceptions come from your intellect. The way they are constructed is learned.
For example some Western subcultures perceive the wearing of the skin and head
of a dead
with that!) and Bill! is talking from the absolute.
Mike
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Um You asked for my postal address!br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for
iPad
Well, at least something that can reproduce! Are you saying there's no
difference between organic and inorganic material?? I've yet to meet a rock
that can do calculus, finger-paint or whistle a
tune!br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Merle,br/br/Umm, they're lyrics from a song by Elton
John.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Merle,
An example of a perception: a beautiful sunset.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 i see..so an example of pure perception please bill...merle
Â
Merle,
All experiences are first-hand. They are sensual.
Perceptions come
the absolute.
Mike
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Karma
Sent: Fri, Jul 5
Are you kidding? Your intellect is where your sense of beauty come from?
That could not be further away from my experience. Over and over, I have
heard some music without really paying attention, and tuen one time have
really listened to it, and been deeply moved. Really also I find
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
On Jul 5, 2013 3:24 AM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
Merle,
All experiences are first-hand. They are sensual.
Perceptions come from your intellect. The way they are constructed is
learned.
For example some Western subcultures perceive the wearing of
I meant how.
There’s no way thinking will allow you to differentiate between angry
seeing and tired seeing and neutral seeing. It's all a piece - the
experiences mediated by introspection are the same experiences mediated by
sight. You seem to be claiming your seeing is cut away from the rest of
Arg, pardon the typos.
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
On Jul 5, 2013 9:51 AM, Chris Austin-Lane ch...@austin-lane.net wrote:
I meant how.
There’s no way thinking will allow you to differentiate between angry
seeing and tired seeing and neutral seeing. It's all a piece - the
experiences
Non-thought is not no mental activity, sitting errect fully present in a
moment takes more lively brains/more energetic bodies than sleep.
Or are you suggesting that skimming thru life without really inhabiting
each moment is the key?
Or just falling prey to that Zen temptation of word play,
: [Zen] Re: Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and
Karma
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what is meant by life...? merle
There's life on Mars? You'd better break the news to David Bowie!
Mike
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mike ..i know this... merle
Merle,
Umm, they're lyrics from a song by Elton John.
Mike
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To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re
bill beautiful..your the one saying don't judge..merle
Merle,
An example of a perception: a beautiful sunset.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 i see..so an example of pure perception please bill...merle
Â
Merle,
All
Merle,br/br/Yes, a rock is inorganic. And it can't perform art, language or
math. Therefore they are not universal. A rock, however, is impermanent, has no
inherent self and exist due to prior conditions. These things *are* universal.
I can't explain it clearer than that.br/br/in·or·gan·ic
Chris,
You wrote: You can't hope to come up with some general rule about beauty that
applies to more than one moment. This night, that fur whatever, this gathering,
that cloud bank, this breeze, this response. But some other night?
What you've correctly stated above is why I say the
Chris,
I don't resist your POV as long as you're describing perceptions. Perceptions
are pluaristic (which makes them delusions) so all the dualistic judgements can
and do apply.
When you used the word 'brighter' you AUTOMATICALLY imply dualism. Something
can't be 'brighter' unless it's
Merle, Merle, Merle...
You're beginning to sound like Edgar - always projecting your thoughts and
ideas on what I say (or don't say in this case) and misquoting me.
I have never said 'don't judge'. I've only said that all judgments are
products of your intellect and are therefore deslusive.
: Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com;
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Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 11:13:31 PM
yes i am mike...life began as you well know from a single cell...why are you
Merle,br/br/I'd say the opposite is true. Rocks 'exist' because we name and
label them as such.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
And additionally are you really claiming that you don't experience beauty
as a thing of the moment but only as something to make rules or reason
about?
And PBS, was there some non-rhetorical point about mind moves? Other than
the joke about mouths flapping? Do you also have some concept of
Chris,
I really think getting down to this level of discussion of such things
on a zen forum is uncalled for and probably leads to more confusion than
clarification, but I will answer your question - only because you're one
of my favorites... [:x]
First of all your phrase 'states of the brain'
Bingo!
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Merle,br/br/I'd say the opposite is true. Rocks 'exist' because we name
and label them as such.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for
iPad
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book
Chris,
To respond to the part of your post below I assume is directed to me...
I don't EXPERIENCE 'beauty' or 'ugly' or 'red' or 'pleasing' or 'rocks',
etc...; I PERCEIVE these. Perception is a function of what I call my intellect
- the origin of plurality. If it would sound better I could
Merle,
You've missed my point. I'll try again.
You can only be lost if you have a destination in mind - a particular place to
which you want to go. If you don't have any particular destination in mind
then you can't be lost.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester
Merle,
I agree with what you've written below BECAUSE you've specified a destination -
get back out, or to return to the place from whence I came.
If that is indeed my intention then yes, I might need a map; and yes, without
one (or even with one) I might indeed get lost.
BUT, if I had no
It's a metaphor for life. No escape, not getting places, just an
interesting trip.
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
On Jul 3, 2013 11:50 PM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
Merle,
I agree with what you've written below BECAUSE you've specified a
destination - get back out, or to return to
Chris,
Thank you...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
It's a metaphor for life. No escape, not getting places, just an
interesting trip.
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
On Jul 3, 2013 11:50 PM, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Merle,
I agree with
bill ... you are spitting hairs..you can get lost believe you me..destination
or no destination..merle
Merle,
You've missed my point. I'll try again.
You can only be lost if you have a destination in mind - a particular place to
which you want to go. If you don't have any particular
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