Re: [Zen] RE: Test for Graphic...

I see it only when I click on it... Edgar On Oct 1, 2013, at 6:12 AM, wrote: > > Second Try... > > > > src="https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q71/s720x720/1184838_10202240585519798_1292807694_n.jpg"; > height="50" width="100"> > > > > Do you see it now? > > >

Re: [Zen] RE: Re: changed appearance and functionality

Bill, I'm using Mac Safari browser. When I click on 'visit your group' at the bottom of a post I am taken to http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Zen_Forum/info with Kremlin photo. When I try to go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ I get page doesn't exist error. When I go to yahoo g

Re: [Zen] RE: Re: changed appearance and functionality

Bill, Yes, the homepage has been totally screwed up by somebody. The great Daruma image is replaced by RedSquare. Do you think this is something we can fix? Edgar On Sep 11, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > hi joe..no rain, early spring..hot yesterday herald first fires... in t

Re: [Zen] RE: Re: changed appearance and functionality

 hi joe..no rain, early spring..hot yesterday herald first fires... in this hawkesbury/ blue mountains area...cheers merle    Hi, Bill!, and thank you for the kind welcome. I don't see the usual Zen Forum masthead: I see a view of the onion-domes of the Kremlin, an image set to serve to repre

Re: [Zen] Re: changed appearance and functionality

 hi joe...merle   Joe, Welcome back. Traffic on the forum has been slow and muted lately. Is that what you mean? ...Bill! __

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Freeing the mind is a myth. What cannot be found, cannot be bound. The imagined mind, imagines itself otherwise. KG On 8/27/2013 1:53 AM, larry maher wrote: Totally fair to say. How can anyone 'free' his mind if he hangs onto preconceived ideas? On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:44 PM,

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

ose to >>believe in, but it remains a central tenet of Buddhism that liberation and >>freedom are not found thru a belief in a god. >> >>Mike >> >> >>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad >> >> >> >> >&g

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Merle,If you have no concrete, empirical evidence of a creator god then it's all just preconceived and presupposed. In other words - made up.MikeSent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

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are not found thru a belief in a god. > > Mike > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > -- > *From: *larry maher ; > *To: *; > *Subject: *Re: [Zen] Re: the human body > *Sent: *Mon, Aug 26, 2013 11:08:10 PM > > > I hate to

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Mail for iPad > > > >____ > From: Merle Lester ; >To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com ; >Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body >Sent: Mon, Aug 26, 2013 8:57:54 AM > > >  > > > because i can and it's fun!..i do not foll

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may choose to >believe in, but it remains a central tenet of Buddhism that liberation and >freedom are not found thru a belief in a god. > >Mike > > >Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > > >________________ > From: larry maher ; >To: ; >Sub

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ins a central tenet of Buddhism that liberation > and freedom are not found thru a belief in a god. > > Mike > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > -------------- > *From: *larry maher ; > *To: *; > *Subject: *Re: [Zen] Re: the human body > *Sen

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Larry,I think it's fair to say that Buddhism respects the gods people may choose to believe in, but it remains a central tenet of Buddhism that liberation and freedom are not found thru a belief in a god.MikeSent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

gt; > -- > * From: * Merle Lester ; > * To: * Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com ; > * Subject: * Re: [Zen] Re: the human body > * Sent: * Mon, Aug 26, 2013 8:57:54 AM > > > > > because i can and it's fun!..i do not follow the norm mike

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Thing is tho, a belief in a deity *is* the norm. And is also 'painting legs on a snake' because it just isn't needed. Also, not sure how believing in a god is fun. Each to their own, I suppose.MikeSent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

RE: [Zen] Re: the human body

Merle,>>what the hell did you think god was?...I'm not sure, but does he wear the Welsh number 15 shirt and convert the winning kick against England last year?MikeSent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

was?...  merle..not the old man with a long white beard syndrome? or some other equally absurd notion?   Watched it. Yep, no god. Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: Merle Lester ; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com ; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

rom: Merle Lester ; > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com ; > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body > Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 3:46:28 AM > > >   > > >  mike ..you have missed the boat...( the point)... watch the brazilian tribe > doc..then tell me "there

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

 bill...they are in yahoo ... ..merle   Merle, I was just wondering where you got all those emoticans you started using lately... --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > bill... not yet..it's coming to a store near you next month...merle >   > Merle, > > Did you jus

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

bill... not yet..it's coming to a store near you next month...merle   Merle, Did you just have a birthday or something? ...Bill! .

RE: [Zen] Re: the human body

I thought it was a 60s flashback thing..Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

  which self?..merle   The creating and identifying of the ego as self is what creates suffering: the First Noble Truth. Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: Merle Lester ; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com ; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

The creating and identifying of the ego as self is what creates suffering: the First Noble Truth.Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

 delusional...huh?...wait till the sun goes down on you!! merle   "Most people" of such delusional persuasion also use 'creation' as a noun. KG On 8/25/2013 1:01 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:   >Your definition is meaningless though and certainly not in accord with how >most peo

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Forum@yahoogroups.com ; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 1:31:32 AM     mike...it is the nature of the beast : human... to construct  weave and create.. we do not live by bread alone..you know that...merle   Merle They're both fictional constructs. But at

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

And a 6000 year old one, at that.Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

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"Most people" of such delusional persuasion also use 'creation' as a noun. KG On 8/25/2013 1:01 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Your definition is meaningless though and certainly not in accord with how most people define 'God'. The universe works just fine without such a belief. Why pai

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Your definition is meaningless though and certainly not in accord with how most people define 'God'. The universe works just fine without such a belief. Why paint legs on a snake?MikeSent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

some other equally absurd notion?   Watched it. Yep, no god. Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: Merle Lester ; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com ; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 3:46:28 AM    mike ..you have misse

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Watched it. Yep, no god.Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

__ From: Merle Lester ; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com ; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 1:23:16 AM    mike..explain yourself please.. and KG not true...on a beautiful spring day one rejoices and gives thanks that one has eyes to see and ears to hear a

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Merle,The idea behind self-realisation to to stop the weaving and deconstruct. You should know that..MikeSent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

But they're both so comforting!Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Merle,Just because belief in a god gives comfort it doesn't make it true. MikeSent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: buddha nature

 so self is no self but the other..hence we need to refresh our ideas and return to the garden of eden... the brazilian rainforest tribe eh?..merle   Merle, You can read more about what I think about this at: http://www.billsmart.com/writing/zen/self/self.htm ...Bill!

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

iPad From: Merle Lester ; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com ; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:40:32 AM   mike excuse me...what's soul got to do with ego?..merle     Bill!, Would you agree that you probably would never have experienced &#x

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

 what is AYPsite.com? merle   I am very very impressed with how you lived your life. I found this, well, to be frank, all too late. I knew about it, read about it, even tried it a few times but I didn't get more interested until I was desperate.  Thanks, Larry PS I've sort of belonged to a ope

Re: [Zen] Re: buddha nature

 bill...thank you for the clarification... merle   Merle, Zen Buddhism (Japanese), Ch'an Buddhism (Chinese) and Soen Buddhism (Korean) are all very similar and to the best of my knowledge (which is not that great in this area) share the same foundations and basic teachings. There are some d

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

  cynical mike..tut tut..shame on you..merle   God is no different than a haemorrhoid cream. I like it! Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: Kristopher Grey ; To: ; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:32:29 PM

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

 mike..explain yourself please.. and KG not true...on a beautiful spring day one rejoices and gives thanks that one has eyes to see and ears to hear and a tongue to speak..merle   And comfort is only sought when dis-eased.  KG On 8/24/2013 4:19 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:   >Merl

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

I am very very impressed with how you lived your life. I found this, well, to be frank, all too late. I knew about it, read about it, even tried it a few times but I didn't get more interested until I was desperate. Thanks, Larry PS I've sort of belonged to a open internet group with a terrific mod

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

God is no different than a haemorrhoid cream. I like it!MikeSent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

And comfort is only sought when dis-eased. KG On 8/24/2013 4:19 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Merle, Utility is no measure of Truth. Mike

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

On 8/24/2013 2:27 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Larry, Why would Zen be looking for a God? That would just be creating an unnecessary dualism. The universe works perfectly well without the need to create a Creator. Mike Even the need some feel to identify or creating a creator is an

Re: [Zen] Re: new member

Yes Merle, you could say acceptance is 'good' in certain circumstances, or that it is of use/value to the individual. That's the point. As such it remains a subtle form of attachment. I am not judging this, or suggesting it not be pursued. I am only pointing out the dual nature of grasping/reje

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Don't worry, Merle. It's not a completion - you'll catch up one day.Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Merle,Utility is no measure of Truth.MikeSent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

MerleThey're both fictional constructs. But at least ego has some relative truth.MikeSent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

 interesting bill..your streaks ahead in consciousness..merle   Mike, No and Yes... The "no" part is that I experienced Buddha Nature on my own before encountering zen. I'm sure we all have. When we were infants before our intellect was developed enough to create the delusion of duality/

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

mike excuse me...what's soul got to do with ego?..merle     Bill!, Would you agree that you probably would never have experienced 'zen' without Siddharta Gotama's enlightenment and the spreading of the sutras? I agree that experiencing Buddha Nature is not intrinsically dependent on them, but

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Mail for iPad From: larry maher ; To: ; Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:20:48 AM   Zen is a religion looking for a God. The Buddha said 'there is no way to prove God and there is no way to not prove, so believe what

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

; unnecessary dualism. The universe works perfectly well without the need to > create a Creator. > > Mike > > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > -- > * From: * larry maher ; > * To: * ; > * Subject: * Re: [Zen] Re: the human

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Larry,Why would Zen be looking for a God? That would just be creating an unnecessary dualism. The universe works perfectly well without the need to create a Creator.MikeSent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

RE: [Zen] Re: the human body

Bill!,Would you agree that you probably would never have experienced 'zen' without Siddharta Gotama's enlightenment and the spreading of the sutras? I agree that experiencing Buddha Nature is not intrinsically dependent on them, but it may as well be. Without Buddha's rediscovering of Buddha Nat

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Zen is a religion looking for a God. The Buddha said 'there is no way to prove God and there is no way to not prove, so believe whatever works for you.' That's why I like Eastern thought, Hindu's cool also, just too many gimics and sideshows and people thinking dressing in white bathrobes helps get

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

   from what i gather you would not have zen if you did not have buddhism..correct me if i am incorrect..merle   Merle, Yes. IMO zen is not an exclusive subset or sect of Buddhism. Buddhism is a religion has does have many, many lists of principles, dogma, doctrines, rituals, precepts, vows

Re: [Zen] Re: clarification

 bill...the idea of beating at all is disgusting..merle   Merle, The 'rule of thumb' is that you should not beat your wife with a stick that is thicker than your thumb. That is an old English law and the origin of the term 'rule of thumb'. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle

Re: [Zen] Re: new member

   disagree..there is more to acceptance than meets the eye..this is the superficial version you are suggesting..merle   On 8/22/2013 5:12 AM, Merle Lester wrote:   > > >  ..when in reality it is a matter of acceptance >merle > > Acceptance, of anything, is rejection of change. KG

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Thank you so much. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Edgar Owen wrote: > ** > > > Larry, > > Bill and me, Edgar, are co-moderators of the group... > > Edgar > > > > On Aug 23, 2013, at 12:32 PM, larry maher wrote: > > > > Can anyone help me? I'm new here. I was just wondering who the forum head

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Larry, Bill and me, Edgar, are co-moderators of the group... Edgar On Aug 23, 2013, at 12:32 PM, larry maher wrote: > > Can anyone help me? I'm new here. I was just wondering who the forum head > was? If the answer is no one could I please find out who Merle or Bill is? > The one with the

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Can anyone help me? I'm new here. I was just wondering who the forum head was? If the answer is no one could I please find out who Merle or Bill is? The one with the 45 yrs of meditation. I won't bother anyone, am just trying to figure this out. Thank you Larry On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Me

Re: [Zen] Re: new member

On 8/22/2013 5:12 AM, Merle Lester wrote: ..when in reality it is a matter of acceptance merle Acceptance, of anything, is rejection of change. KG

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

   bill...so you are still telling me pain is a delusion?... tell me next time when you are in deep pain..try a very bad toothache..see it as a delusion and don't visit the dentist...how long will you last before you realise it is real and needs attention?...merle   Merle, As you should ve

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

 hallo bill...so tell me why oh why is the classification referred to as zen buddhism?... can you have zen without buddhist principles?... merle   Merle, As you should very well know by now I don't identify with being a Buddhist. I do however practice zen and have for over 45 years; but just

Re: [Zen] Re: new member

Dear Aham, Zen is about letting our inner divine, labeled as Buddha Nature, to shine through. Let it be our guide in our daily life. And the only way that it may shine through depends on the purification of our physical, mental and spiritual hindrances. Because our inner divine, same as th

Re: [Zen] Re: new member

   question bill...do any of us really see things as they really are?...and who is the judge and jury to say that this has happened to one? i think it might be a goal to work towards however individuals who achieve this fully would be few and far  between  already you complain of pain as a burd

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

 bill...acceptance is the key...what sort odf a zen buddhist are you?..merle   Merle, Yes! Why me? Why not someone else? Someone I don't like? Someone who doesn't look like me or is the same color as me or speaks the same language as I do. Someone ELSE! ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoog

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

 bill...not why me...that's plain silly..why not you?...merle   Merle, I have been in pain before. When I am in pain I don't think of pain as a judgmental delusion, I think of it as pain and judge it to be bad; and maybe even think "Poor, poor me! Why do I have to suffer all this pain? Wha

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

Bill, This is one of the reasons I like Zen Forum :) Siska -Original Message- From: "Bill!" Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 05:03:32 To: Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zen] Re: the human body Merle, I have been in pain before. When I am in pai

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

   spinning top springs to mind...and it can topple when it stops...merle 'Real' and 'delusion', are also 'classification'. The Taoist symbol of Yin/Yang may appear to spin, but only if you're putting some spin on it. KG On 8/21/2013 9:43 PM, Bill! wrote:   >The experience of feelin

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

 have you been in pain bill..and thought it was judgemental delusion?...merle   Merle, I don't know how you got from what I said earlier to your post below. The experience of feeling/touch is real. That experience is Buddha Nature. The classification of it as 'pain' is the judgmental delu

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

'Real' and 'delusion', are also 'classification'. The Taoist symbol of Yin/Yang may appear to spin, but only if you're putting some spin on it. KG On 8/21/2013 9:43 PM, Bill! wrote: The experience of feeling/touch is real. That experience is Buddha Nature. The classification of it as '

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

 bill...i see...so if one is in pain..this is an illusion..try telling that to someone bowled over and in agony...merle   Merle, I also want to add that experiencing Buddha Nature, such as through zazen, does not involve a disconnection with the body. It involves a disconnection with the

Re: [Zen] Re: My book on Reality is now available on Amazon.com

Thanks Bill... Edgar On Aug 20, 2013, at 9:02 PM, Bill! wrote: > CONGRATULATIONS > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > After several years of work my book on the deep nature of reality is now > > published and available on Amazon.com > > > >

Re: [Zen] Re: i am here

Will do. Thanks Bill... Edgar On Aug 16, 2013, at 4:31 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > THAT'S GREAT! > > Let us know when it's available on Amazon.com...Bill! > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote: > > > > Merle, > > > > Don't know about Bill but I've just finished my book..

Re: [Zen] Re: i am here

Thanks Merle, yes first... Edgar On Aug 15, 2013, at 2:19 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > edgar..congratulations...a published book..your first?...merle > > > Merle, > > Don't know about Bill but I've just finished my book It will be published > shortly and available on Amazon >

Re: [Zen] Re: i am here

; > Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > From: Edgar Owen ; > To: ; > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: i am here > Sent: Thu, Aug 15, 2013 12:22:35 AM > > > Merle, > > > Don't know about Bill but I've just finished my book It will be published > shor

Re: [Zen] Re: i am here

  edgar..congratulations...a published book..your first?...merle   Merle, Don't know about Bill but I've just finished my book It will be published shortly and available on Amazon The Title will be 'Reality, a Sweeping New Vision of the Unity of Existence, Physical Reality, Informa

Re: [Zen] Re: i am here

Edgar,Congratulations! You must be relieved to have finally finished it.MikeSent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: i am here

Merle, Don't know about Bill but I've just finished my book It will be published shortly and available on Amazon The Title will be 'Reality, a Sweeping New Vision of the Unity of Existence, Physical Reality, Information, Consciousness, Mind and Time' Edgar On Aug 14, 2013, at 8:

Re: [Zen] Re: i am here

 bill..finished the book yet bill?  attention attention  cheers merle   Merle, To 'be here now' is the same thing as the ISLAND's reminders of "Attention! Attention!"...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester wrote: > > > >  where else would i be?...merle > > > >   > Y

Re: [Zen] Re: i am here

 where else would i be?...merle   Yes, but are you here now? ...Bill!

Re: [Zen] Re: "Stillness Speaks".

   me too...all is quiet...cheers merle   Suresh, I'm still hear but have been distracted with other things. I do check the forum everyday but like you have seen no new posts...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote: > > Dear all, > > I was surprised on this sudden

Re: [Zen] Re: CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS FROM RAMANA

joe..have fun too...hear from you soon... cheers merle   Merle, Writing Java and Android programs (learning, i.e.). Can't explain. Who knows what drives us, sumptimes. ;-) I'll equilibrate, someday. Friendly, Cousinly, Greetings!, All, --J. > Merle Lester wrote: > > hi joe..where you been

Re: [Zen] Re: CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS FROM RAMANA

 hi joe..where you been hiding?...merle   Kris, It's fine to see you around and about. I myself have become scarce, but for a period, and who knows for how long. As I would wish to tell Merle, 'things are relative, Cousin'. Anyway, the call was put out to "let others' wisdom shine". Sunshad

Re: [Zen] Re: CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS FROM RAMANA

   yes indeed..where you the one who was into kayaking?... merle   On 8/2/2013 2:11 AM, Merle Lester wrote:   > > > is that you KG from a blast in the past?...merle > > >  > Has it been so long? KG

Re: [Zen] Re: CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS FROM RAMANA

On 8/2/2013 2:11 AM, Merle Lester wrote: is that you KG from a blast in the past?...merle Has it been so long? KG

Re: [Zen] Re: CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS FROM RAMANA

Greetings Suresh! Insights are not gifts given by others, but innate realizations. Inward sights. Realizations, rather than learned facts. If they appear otherwise, or seem triggered by others, then they are either just adopted concepts or[the insight is that] there is more to realize about th

Re: [Zen] Re: CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS FROM RAMANA

 is that you KG from a blast in the past?...merle   The point of all pointers is to raise such doubt. Otherwise, there is clarity and no need of such pointers. This is not science class. Ramana is not teaching you things to know. You must go into this and see this directly. It has nothing t

Re: [Zen] Re: Return to Emptiness: from nervous nellie

I also found an article on Tricycle http://www.tricycle.com/feature/joy-effort by Thanissaro Bhikkhu, titled "The Joy of Effort. >From the website article: "Now, the Buddha wasn’t telling Rahula to become a passive clod of dirt. He was teaching Rahula to be grounded, to develop his powers of en

Re: [Zen] Re: Return to Emptiness: from nervous nellie

I too went to the ChanCenter and also enjoyed many readings today. I don't know where I found the following link, http://amidatrust.ning.com/ but they were offering a link to a free kindle book from amazon called 'Not Everything is Impermanent' by Dharmavidya David Brazier. I was too late to get

Re: [Zen] Re: Humble, is it slavery?

 goodness me suresh... sounds like you have no fun at all  joe is it necessary to be so" Pure "minded?  surely zen is  freedom  attachments are only attachments if they over take over ride and destroy our   balance?... merle   Dear Joe, Thanks for your offer. You are right. But for me jo

Re: [Zen] Re: Is not coconut a miracle?

Joe, Yes, most of the upward pumping force of sap in trees is due to capillary action. The calculated maximum is a little over 400 feet, which is in fact the height of the highest historically recorded trees. Edgar On Jul 24, 2013, at 10:22 PM, Joe wrote: > Suresh, > > The water travels ag

Re: [Zen] Re: Fools!

I fall asleep nearly as often as I catch myself having been asleep. Depending on the moment, it may be a matter of N and N+1 or N-1 --Chris Thanks, --Chris ch...@austin-lane.net +1-301-270-6524 On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Simon wrote: > Yes, it is true that we are all Enlightened we j

Re: [Zen] Re: Worried Sick..illusions

   thank you..i understand..merle   Merle, The following snippets are from your response to Bill!, but I'm going to employ license to reply to them myself :) You: "why are you so adverse to the intellect...?... it is a tool us humans need to survive" Me: To "survive" means to live to any po

Re: [Zen] Re: Worried Sick..illusions

Merle, The following snippets are from your response to Bill!, but I'm going to employ license to reply to them myself :) You: "why are you so adverse to the intellect...?... it is a tool us humans need to survive" Me: To "survive" means to live to any point in the future. What is there right

Re: [Zen] Re: Experience

Attentive witnessing does not require thought - it is an attempt to capture mere presence, bare awareness, that sort of thing. I'm still a bit sceptical that all these words aren't just trying to draw lines in the dust :) Thanks, --Chris ch...@austin-lane.net +1-301-270-6524 On Fri, Jul 12,

Re: [Zen] Re: Worried Sick..illusions

So you know enough of his history to know he is not just writing stuff he has read? You may find his language inaccurate or unreflective of what his intent is, but I, again a sensitive soul, find your use of the comic book zen trope to be a sign of attributing ill will. Whatever, the question you

Re: [Zen] Re: Worried Sick..illusions

Bill, Yes, you are correct that my example does NOT establish anything external to the space. However it is 100% self-evident that your view that I am a figment of your imagination is 100% wrong. Why? Because here I am sitting here on the other side of the world whether you or anyone else is

Re: [Zen] Re: Worried Sick..illusions

 i thought we were all buddhas...merle   Mike, Yes! That's what I just call 'sentient beings'. Sentient beings have 'body-mind', but I'd have to qualify the word 'mind' in that phrase to mean 'Big Mind' or Buddha Nature. The 'little mind' is the human intellect. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Foru

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