Jody,
Arf! (that's a yes in dog language)
Edgar
On Oct 11, 2008, at 3:36 PM, Jody W. Ianuzzi wrote:
Hello Edgar,
Is whoof, whoof whoof anything li,e moo, moo, mu?
JODY
Hello Edgar,
Is whoof, whoof whoof anything li,e moo, moo, mu?
JODY
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Jody,
Arf! wag, wag, wag!
Edgar
On Oct 11, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Jody W. Ianuzzi wrote:
Hello Margie,
We can learn a lot from dogs. Our spouses and children don't come
racing to
the door to greet us when we get home. Dogs have unconditional love
and
they will forgive you and forget about
Hi Chuck,
Hahahaha! That was a good one.
JODY
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Hello Margie,
We can learn a lot from dogs. Our spouses and children don't come racing to
the door to greet us when we get home. Dogs have unconditional love and
they will forgive you and forget about all the negatives like accid
Hello Margie,
We can learn a lot from dogs. Our spouses and children don't come racing to
the door to greet us when we get home. Dogs have unconditional love and
they will forgive you and forget about all the negatives like accidently
stepping on their tail. Dogs don't ever say good bye they
Hi margie and all,
I think my dog lives in the moment better then I do. she will sit and just
be there without a past or a future, she just notices everything that is
happening right now.
JODY
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ote:
www.nderf.org
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 10 October, 2008, 1:16 AM
Anthony,
Give me the nderf link again and I&#
Hi Margie,
That's exactly how I see it too. I think you can no more "get rid of"
desires/aversions than you can stop your kidneys producing urine :) I
also think your quote addresses exactly what I stated about animals and zen.
Mike.
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From: roloro1557 <[EMAIL
Hi Margie,
This escapist approach is a good idea (no joke). Why not live in a fool's
paradise (please note I am not sarcastic). It is one way to be happy.
Should we forget about our own present and possible future suffering, and that
of other people? Please don't be offended.
Regards,
Anth
www.nderf.org
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 10 October, 2008, 1:16 AM
Anthony,
Give me the nderf link again a
Correction: there is a mirror, but no dust to wipe.
Anthony
--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 10 October, 2008, 12:24 AM
Bill,
Mayka,
Good for you! I was a strict vegetarian for 15 years and still eat
minimal meat as possible.
Edgar
On Oct 9, 2008, at 5:30 PM, Mayka wrote:
Good question Mike but it doesn't correspond to me anwer to it but
yourself have to answer that question. Go very deeply into it and
you'll s
Well, M! works better, but you got the idea! An oldie but a goodie (the
joke, that is..).
Mike :)
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Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 7:37 PM
Anthony and Margie,
Anthony, would it help if you knew that the great all loving all
powerful mother of the universe has you in her arms loving you at
every moment
Muuu!
:-)
Edgar
On Oct 9, 2008, at 12:21 PM, mike brown wrote:
Hi Edgar,
Does a cow have Buddha nature?
Mike.
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Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2008 1:18:14
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Hi Margie,
Hmm, I can appreciate the sentiment but I can't really agree that "Animals are
eloquent zennists". We may often observe animals appearing to 'be in the
moment', but zen is also about how to live and die mindfully. For instance, we
can also observe animals cowering fearfully from cer
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Margie,
I am poor at knowing other peoples experience. But Bill's words
sounds like the zen literature I read--to be ruminated. I don't
have to curry favor with him. I don't want to err on the wrong side
either. T
Hi Edgar,
Does a cow have Buddha nature?
Mike.
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Sent: Friday, 10 October, 2008 1:18:14
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Morning Margie,
Well that answers the koan 'does a dog
Morning Margie,
Well that answers the koan 'does a dog have Buddha nature?' What
doesn't?
:-)
Edgar
On Oct 9, 2008, at 9:30 AM, roloro1557 wrote:
Morning Edgar,
Not only that, but I see people doing zen (or getting done by zen) all
the time who are obviously not zennists. Watch a moth
Hi Mayka,
I think we might have a misunderstanding here. My point is that how do we
reconcile two opposing moral values when both sides believe their view is
morally correct and the other side's is immoral? In my mind, moral values are
culturally relative and there is no absolute morally correc
carefully the nderf, then tell me they
are all bullshiting.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 7:3
Anthony,
I am as deep as a mirror...Bill!
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Wu
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:53 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Margie,
I am poor at knowing other peoples experience. But
Margie,
I am poor at knowing other peoples experience. But Bill's words sounds like the
zen literature I read--to be ruminated. I don't have to curry favor with him. I
don't want to err on the wrong side either. To be on the safe side, I would say
he is deeper the woman in the first stall in t
Margie,
I fully agree. But it is easier said than done.
regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: roloro1557 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 8:27 AM
Hello Anthony-
Bill,
When one realizes the essential non-separation of all things, that
they are all expressions of the same basic substance and
interconnected flow, that separation into discrete things is an
illusion, then one naturally acts compassionately towards all things
which sometimes includes p
ursday, October 09, 2008 7:15 AM
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
>
> Hi Margie,
>
> Then find me a different word that better describe 'how to maintain
peace and avoid turmoil'.
>
> Regards,
> Anthony
>
> --- On Thu,
Margie and Anthony,
Margie is correct. There are no such comparisons in Zen, no black
belt rankings. Zen is not something 'in' a person, or that a person
can 'have'. Zen is simply the way the entire universe actually is.
It's just a matter of looking and seeing and dancing in tune with the
Anthony and Margie,
Anthony, would it help if you knew that the great all loving all
powerful mother of the universe has you in her arms loving you at
every moment including right now?
She does. It's called being alive in her arms You just simply
need to experience it. And mak
Hi Mayaka,
If, as you say, all these people have moral values then why is there so much
suffering and strife in the world? I would say exactly because people have
moral values, or rather, opposing moral values. For example, on issues such as
abortion, drug use, age of consent, homosexuality etc
Makya,
My view of morals is the same as Margie's. I define 'morals' as a code of
conduct. This code can be very complex - as in Islamic Sharia Law or the
Jewish Talmud; or can be fairly short as in the Old Testament's 10
Commandments or the Buddhist 5 Precepts; or can be very simple as in Jesus'
bject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Hi Margie,
Then find me a different word that better describe 'how to maintain peace and
avoid turmoil'.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: roloro1557 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:
Bill,
Like I said, you have something deeper.
Regards,
Anthony
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Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
Hi Margie,
Do you want to find the world in turmoil? Show me how to live in the world in
peace without any kind of morality.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: roloro1557 &l
Hi Margie,
Then find me a different word that better describe 'how to maintain peace and
avoid turmoil'.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: roloro1557 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thurs
Hi Mayka,
My mother tongue is Chinese. I have been travelling around speaking different
languages and dialects, ending up with nothing I am fluent with.
I have no problems dropping the word morality. But what do you say so that
peace can be maintained? If you say in zen you don't have to say
Hi Margie,
Then change my term from morality to peaceality or whatever that can ensure
peace. I am also opposed to manmade standards of morality, which, like you say
lead to endless arguments and struggles.
In order to maintain peace, you need something to go by. I have trouble
accepting 'j
Hi Mayka,
By morality I mean in general whatever can give us peace. My English is not
good enough to differentiate between morality and moralistic.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, Mayka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Mayka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen
Hi Margie,
If there is peace without morality, I will live with it. I just don't like
turmoil. I can forget about right or wrong. Because the latter would normally
leads to endless argument with different standards.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Margie,
Do you want to find the world in turmoil? Show me how to live in the world in
peace without any kind of morality.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, roloro1557 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogr
Bill really sounds that way, though I believe he has something deeper in mind.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Wed, 8/10/08, Mac A. Roni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Mac A. Roni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Zen] Re: Aging and Zen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 8 October, 2008, 12:0
Mac A. Roni, I'll respond to your recent post line by line, but first I want
to make sure we're both talking about the same thing when we talk about the
ability to determine right from wrong. It appears you use the term
'morality' for that, and so do I. I define 'morality' the same way it is
defi
Chris,
I am a non-atheist that is also an ego-maniac. I hesitate to add a
qualification of 'evil'.
Regards,
Anthony
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Date: Wednesday, 8 Octobe
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