On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:32 AM, Michael Howitz m...@gocept.com wrote:
Am 23.08.2010 um 15:52 schrieb Jim Fulton:
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I think this is an issue for the individual zope.generations plug ins.
Does zope.generations itself use this?
No it does not use it itself.
Then this is easy
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Am 22.08.2010 um 15:09 schrieb Tres Seaver:
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. Can you add to the proposal a list of what you think
the dependencies of zope.generations will be?
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classes for the
non-persistemnt objects. You'll then need to write a script to
rebuild the data structures.
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problems than one at a time. On the other hand we might
want all changes at once to lessen annoyance.
Do whatever is easiest for you. One option would be to release as
eggs for Python 3 only. That way, you shouldn't be affecting Python 2
users.
3. It should be zope.testing 4.0.0, right?
Yes
Jim
module
doesn't seem to provide a way to capture the current state so it can
be reset after running tests.
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On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote:
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
I'm not sure what the best way to handle this is. My initial thought
is that all test runners should enable deprecations by default. This
seems hard
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote:
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 02:43:14PM +0200, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
I'm not sure what the best way to handle this is. My initial thought
is that all test
running tests.
As of Python 2.6, the warnings module sports a context manager::
with warnings.catch_warnings():
warnings.simplefilter(default)
fxn()
Ah, this works because catch_warnings saves and later restores the
filter configuration. Cool.
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On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Shane Hathaway sh...@hathawaymix.org wrote:
On 07/02/2010 11:49 AM, Tres Seaver wrote:
Jim has asserted (but not really explained) that the C extension closes
some kind of security hole. I don't see any credible attack vector
myself, but then I no longer
somewhat modeled
on Python's, with easy integration into Python projects. A sprint task?)
YUI 3's loader comes to mind (as its the one I have most experience with).
Ditto for dojo. :)
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force a reload with buildout? If I run buildout a 2nd time it then runs
fine.
TIA,
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parts = patches zeo
[patches]
recipe = collective.recipe.patch
egg = plone.recipe.zeoserver
patches = patches\plone.recipe.zeoserver.__init__.py.patch
[zeo]
recipe = plone.recipe.zeoserver
zeo-address
by the data
manager's constructor.
)
This seems to be used only in the tests, I guess it would be useful if
you were using multiple transaction managers in a single thread. I've
now added it to zope.sqlalchemy's data manager.
I'm in favor of removing it from the interface.
Jim
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Laurence Rowe l...@lrowe.co.uk wrote:
On 8 June 2010 14:38, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
This is intended as a broad response to the thread, rather than a
response to any specific post. :)
I've been thinking of expanding the data manager API to add
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Laurence Rowe l...@lrowe.co.uk wrote:
On 8 June 2010 18:11, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Laurence Rowe l...@lrowe.co.uk wrote:
On 8 June 2010 14:38, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
This is intended as a broad response
,
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I've been working on zope.tetsing lately. The main impetus behind this
is Python 3 compatibility, but also general cleanup. This work was
discussed on #zope bu Jim Fulton, Stephan Richter, Charlie Clark and
me
should be usable with any code that uses that.
This only affects ZCML. It caused declarations for the old permission
to be mapped to the new one. It doesn't affect stored permissions.
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change you propose for 3.7 won't,
which makes it
backward incompatible, which means it should be a 4.0 release.
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on it. If the object hasn't
been modified, then it's state will be released and it will become a
ghost.
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On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Jürgen Herrmann
juergen.herrm...@xlhost.de wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:54:55 -0400, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Jürgen Herrmann
juergen.herrm...@xlhost.de wrote:
hi there!
today i ran a check script which iterates over
patching should be used as a last resort. Monkey
patching the standard library is likely to make us look like
jack asses.
We should switch to manuel, which already has the footnote feature.
Let zope.testing.doctest wither and die, or reimplement it as a facade
on manuel.
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way and
zope.app.testing uses them the wrong way?
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is intended to
conform to common usage in Python.
Let's invent new names that are specific to our own frameworks.
I can live with saying we shouldn't invent new __*__ names,
even though I consider that a meta protocol. I get annoyed at
criticism for following standard protocols.
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of opinion.
To say that zope.testing promotes layers the wrong way, simply
because it used the name __bases__, which doesn't even go
against the BDFL's pronouncement on the use of __*__s is
misleading at best.
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On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Florian Friesdorf f...@chaoflow.net wrote:
Hi Jim, hi Christian,
any further thoughts on this?
Not at this time. This is on my to-do list to look at.
I think your use case would be better handled through
normal command-line option specification
an amazing
tendency to have bugs.
- I agree that tests should be separate from documentation. You can
get some of your coverage from the docs, but you'll need tests for
edge cases and details not addressed by the docs.
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base.cfg
- site1-1.cfg etc extend deploy.cfg
Then you'd just:
% ./bin/buildout -c site-1.cfg
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On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Christian Theune c...@gocept.com wrote:
I wonder what Jim thinks about the topic.
I have mixed feelings. Accessing environment variables seems
reasonable on some level, however:
- I'd worry about the choice of the virtual section name. env or
environment seems
, the
script only loads recent revisions and does the working copy checkouts
step by step instead of a large run, so I don't think it is aggressive
enough to cause troubles. (Can't be sure of course.)
Is it running against the main repo? or a mirror?
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the substitutions are performed.
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On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Vincent Pelletier vinc...@nexedi.com wrote:
Le mardi 6 avril 2010 18:54:24, Jim Fulton a écrit :
Is there a document you can point to that provide a description of the
approach used?
A document is in the works, in the while I'll try to describe the architecture
, and
can't even get top to run on it this morning. Any clues about what is
causing the load?
We've been having some networking issues over the last week or two that
we believe to have been addressed.
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We've been having some networking issues over the last week or two that
we believe to have been addressed.
I'm still getting alerts
,
That's unfortunate. Why not a less restrictive license?
[1] http://www.neoppod.org/
...
[3] http://www.myerp5.com/kb/enterprise-High.Performance.Zope/view
These seem to be very high level.
You provide a link to the source, which is rather low level.
Anything in between?
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can use zope.deferredimport on app engine.
Below is the awful hacking I do to zope.proxy.__init__ to make it
support zope.deferredimport on appengine.
Please don't encourage this.
People reading this, please forget you read Tim's email. :)
(Jim whips out special pen and asks that everyone look
of
zope.deferredimport to use Importing.
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. I suspect the best approach would be to make a new
package (or set of packages) that provides everything that
zope.security providex except the zope.security.proxy package. If I
were going to do that though, I would rethink the way proxies and
checkers are managed.
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platforms.
I really think we want to avoid long-lasting unreleased trunk changes
to or long-lasting
newer releases not in the KGS for ZTK packages.
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and provide a generic hook mechanism. I
don't want it to depend on zope.component.
Ideally, I'd like other projects to adopt zope.event, or for something
like zope.event to be included in the standard library, although, I'm
unlikely to push that politically, so it will probably never happen.
:/
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On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Fabio Tranchitella kob...@kobold.it wrote:
* 2010-03-03 21:44, Jim Fulton wrote:
The ZTK was created in part to deal with instability issues arising from
people working on parts without testing the whole.
I suppose everybody here agrees that any change
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* 2010-03-03 21:44, Jim Fulton wrote:
The ZTK was created in part to deal
to discuss something technical, please start a separate thread.
:)
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a discussion about grouping some Zope
bits along functional lines for marketing purposes. This is really
independent of any discussion about the ZTK.
I don't think anyone objects to that. The objections were very
specifically aimed at (change) management and especially testing.
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the ZTK.
No one should have to extract anything from the ZTK, because, AFAIK,
the ZTK isn't a distribution.
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On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 4:33 AM, Christian Theune c...@gocept.com wrote:
...
For starters, I'd like to introduce real-time meetings that we can use
to organise ourselves better. I suggest those to happen on IRC.
...
Thanks Christian! I'll be there.
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On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Roger d...@projekt01.ch wrote:
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But probably this is a problem and should't get released as is.
Any hints?
You need to rerun your buildout. There are new (C) methods on fsBuckets.
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notify(NewMySiteEvent(self)
After that you can treat your MySite OFS Folder like a site. Register
utilities with it, setHooks, and setSite.
Hope this helps,
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On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Roberto Allende ro...@menttes.com wrote:
Hello
Following example 18.3.1 and 18.3.2 from
the responsibility to some other person. The reasons for stepping
down
are pretty easy: I am too busy with other things and I would like to
shift my
focus on other Zope-related projects but I will remain part of the
Zope and
Plone community.
Thanks for all the help over the years!
Jim
as the 1st param.
So in summary, if you think your using Fields in Five try using omit or
custom_widget and see if it works and you actually are really using Fields.
If it works maybe I have something messed up on my end.
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(or something else),
rather than changing
zope.app.foo to use zope.foo, just leave zope.app.foo alone, if possible.
- When we clean up and existing package without creating a new one
in a way that
is backward incompatible, let's update the major version number.
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not
looking for the utililty at the site level.
I'm using Zope2.12 w/five.localsitemanager.
Thanks,
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I should clarify that createobject is failing with a ComponentLookupError.
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Jim Pharis binbr...@gmail.com wrote:
Can I register utilities at the site level in zcml? And once I have the
local utility registered, how do I pass that site manager context to my
So createObject does look in the context of the current site. My issue was
somewhere else. I'm still interested to know if you can register utilities
at the site level in ZCML though.
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Jim Pharis binbr...@gmail.com wrote:
I should clarify that createobject
Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote:
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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the implications of basing Zope2.12
on ZTK eggs. I was under the impression it would allow sites to be
developed in a similar way to how its done in Zope3, ie placing
So the line you reference in site.zcml is the same for me, and it says look
in package-includes/*-configure.zcml. That child dir wasn't actually created
though so theres nothing in it.
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
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myself, it seems like that
should be done already.
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On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote:
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What's my use case for developing Zope3ish/ZTKish in Zope2 instead
of just using Zope3? All
I have several existing Z2 Products that aren't going anywhere. I still need
these. I can't just move to Z3 and leave our existing Z2 Products behind.
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote:
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I
the
esoteric manage_* methods, even in 2.12.
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I have several existing Z2 Products that aren't going anywhere. I still
need
these. I can't just move to Z3
Vagelpohl j...@dataflake.org wrote:
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Yes, I'm running into missing bits in various places. So even though
Z2.12
is based on ZTK eggs, and ZTK eggs are designed using all the CA
goodness, I
still can't easily develop using those
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On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 11:47, Jim Pharis binbr...@gmail.com wrote:
What's my use case for developing Zope3ish/ZTKish in Zope2 instead of
just
using Zope3? All the preceived benefits of Zope3 now available in Zope2
well
still being able to use all our Zope 2 Products. I
of supporters.
I'm too lazy to try something like that. I think dealing with stuff
in the standard library
is too much of a pain. I recommend shifting focus to manuel. I hope
manuel is never added to the standard library. :)
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Running easy_install -i http://download.zope.org/Zope2/index/2.12.2 Zope2 in
a virtualenv w/o site packages failed on the following dependency. It of
course was easy to easy_install docutils and finish the install
successfully.
Thanks,
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Installed
/home/binbrain/Programs/Zope2.12/lib
the menu item and container view are missing from
the wiring.
Overall, it would be helpful for the Zope2.12 documentation to give a better
idea about how to develop in the new ZTK way. I'm sure someone is working on
it though.
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in the Zope2.12 instance/etc dir. It seems like it should be
possible, but maybe not.
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I'm trying to wrap my head around what the changes in Zope2.12 can
mean
the packages that currently
rely on the
customizations to not rely on them, either by not using the special features,
or by switching to manuel. Whatever we decide is going to be a bit of work.
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On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Martin Aspeli wrote:
Martijn Faassen wrote:
Hi there,
I think we've had enough discussion to make a decision.
I'm a little worried that neither Stephan Richter, nor Jim Fulton have
had much weight
result? I can imagine GC to
get in the way, but I'm not sure about how it does its thing exactly.
The question can also be phrased as: Are the operations pack and
append transaction for storages commutative?
Yes, as long as the pack time is before the time of the appended transactions.
Jim
that
optionally creates a backreference database.
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documentation executable. I
think the bobo documentation are a pretty good example of narrative
documentation. They are tested using manuel. Interestingly, the
parts I didn't initially test with manuel turned out to have lots of
typos. :)
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On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Martijn Faassen
faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Martijn Faassen
faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Documentation in 'docs' would disqualify
just about any package (and Reinout brings up a few objections).
I
is reopened, it needs to remove the old handler it
was using and create a new one.
This is probably complicated by ZConfig which is managing the logging
configuration. This is easy to deal with if you're willing to rely on
the logging systems internal details. :)
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Jim
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:57 AM, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Hey,
I think it would be good if we could (eventually) separate the Zope
Toolkit development documentation (what's published by
docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit now) from the Zope Toolkit release documentation
, there probably won't be
anybody adding this feature officially.
Tests on 2.6 work for me now.
Thanks. That's probably the right first step. Does this mean we're
permanently removing this feature? That would be OK with me.
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On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Martijn Faassen
faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Hey,
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com
wrote:
Hi there,
Apparently some people are using '0' instead of the next version for
packages in the ZTK
I'm guilty of causing most these packages to violate the standards,
while making their tests pass.
Jim
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Martijn Faassen
faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Hi there,
I was doing some thrawling of ZTK packages anyway, and this was easy.
So, it appears the following
, but I don't know whether we assume clients are 1.5 or higher.
As a side effect this will also make svn/svn+ssh work in a nicer way
(IMHO) as the externals will follow the protocol of what you used for
checkout.
Sounds good to me.
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buildout could ignore substitutions
without a colon. I suspect it would be better to always require
escaping and make sure buildout provides a documented way to do so.
OTOH, I can see the convenience of not requiring escaping variable
substitutions wo colons.
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infrastructure for the
testing. I'd be good if someone could manually trigger a cross-platform
cross-interpreter test instead of having to wait for buildbots.
Is snakebite real? That page has said coming soon for a long time.
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Cool. I just updated the .rst file. Someone else has to update the web site. :)
Jim
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Martijn Faassenfaas...@startifact.com wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Christian Theunec...@gocept.com wrote:
So, if you see that a package is missing
+1
Thanks!
Jim
2009/8/20 Fabio Tranchitella kob...@kobold.it:
Hello,
zope.index 3.5.2 (which is part of the ZTK set) has failing tests on all
the supported python versions (2.4, 2.5 and 2.6) on 64 bit platforms. These
test failures have been fixed by the 3.6.0 release.
I propose
.
Fabio
Thanks!
Jim
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examples of it actually helping anything?
I doubt it.
We'd like to improve this, minimally by adding some explanatory
comments, and maybe by changing, moving, or removing this code.
Let's just remove it.
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On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Stephan
Richtersrich...@cosmos.phy.tufts.edu wrote:
On Friday 14 August 2009, Jim Fulton wrote:
Thoughts?
Sounds good to me.
BTW, in my zopetoolkit dev branch, I've created a kgs directory to
hold the ztk.cfg file and a ztk kgs buildout. If no one complains
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Jim Fultonj...@zope.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Stephan
Richtersrich...@cosmos.phy.tufts.edu wrote:
On Friday 14 August 2009, Jim Fulton wrote:
Thoughts?
Sounds good to me.
BTW, in my zopetoolkit dev branch, I've created a kgs directory
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Sebastien Douchesdou...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 19:20, Jim Fultonj...@zope.com wrote:
Hi Jim
- We need to create a test branch.
- When a developer wants to update a project version, they check out
the test branch, make a local version
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Sidnei da
Silvasidnei.da.si...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Jim Fultonj...@zope.com wrote:
I know there are people on this list who have experience building
windows installers.
It would be really great if someone who had some expertise
You should also look at the nascent bozo projects, especially bozo.reuse.
Jim
2009/8/17 Fabio Tranchitella kob...@kobold.it:
Hello,
After messing up with my old-style Zope3 applications and getting crazy
understanding the interactions between zope.publisher, zope.app.publisher
building web applications that publish MH mail
folders?
C. Stop including globalmodules.zcml from zope.app.zcmlfiles
Opinions? FWIW, I vote for B.
Jim
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On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Jim Fultonj...@zope.com wrote:
I'm trying to get the ZTK KGS tests working with Python 2.6. The
tests generate lots of deprecation warnings in part because lots of
packages use zope.app.zcmlfiles and zope.app.zcmlfiles includes
globalmodules.zcml
disable this
test, or maybe even the feature for Python 2.6.
When building, I'm getting some deprecation warnings:
/Users/jim/.buildout/eggs/infrae.subversion-1.4.5-py2.6.egg/infrae/subversion/Common.py:4:
DeprecationWarning: the sets module is deprecated
from sets import Set
wrote them. :)
I'm not personally maintaining them.
I think zope.xmlpickle should be removed. I don't think it's widely
used in Zope applications. I do find it useful from time to time for
looking at pickles and plan to maintain it in the future, but don't
think it should be in the ZTK.
Jim
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Please get Fred Drake's review before removing this from zope.pagetemplate.
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