Re: [Zope] How to Pass values to a DTML method ??
> Dieter Maurer > You should include two positional parameters as well: > > I've recently had explained to me a way that is more robust, and possibly less confusing, than this idiotic idiom. I think it may start appearing in docs and training. ...or even better... &dtml.-some_method; ...which allows nicely for stuff like: First! Cheers, Evan @ digicool & 4-am ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Manager Authentication Failure: How to debug?
Sie (Martijn Pieters,[EMAIL PROTECTED]) sannoit: > > There are generally two things that could have gone wrong here: > > - You didn't specify the Manager Role for the User. The list of Roles on > the User manage page is _not_ the assigned list, but the possible list > of Roles. Select the Manager Role from that list (the Role name will > show in a contrasting colour). Duh! This _is_ what went wrong. I was following the directions given by the upcoming zope-book, and completely missed this point. Maybe the book could include this as a hint? > Let us know if you have any more problems. I have not actually tested this yet, since the machine is off-line at home, but looks like you have identified the problem. Thank's a million. Kimmo -- Kimmo Kansanen Private: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> http://www.iki.fi/cosmo 08 - 5208 611 Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> http://ee.oulu.fi/~kmo 08 - 553 2833 Banana: 040 - 5329 386 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. * Frankly, my dear, I don't give a paska-kraasukka * ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Oedipus / Zope / python / product / XML ++
Hi! I write and maintain a project "Bookamrks Database and Internet robot" (detailed announce after quotations). It is not exactly what you want, but I have plans to add Oedipus to my list of databases. Probably there are fields we may cooperate. I am very short on time these days :( On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, [iso-8859-1] Jørgen Skogstad wrote: > I've been looking into something this weekend. I need somehting > that can handle my link database etc. and list them through Zope > on a regular basis. > > I was looking at Oedipus which can create "semi-xml" DMOZ like > directories which would suffice for v0.1b of my product. I was > thinking of using Oedipus and store them in the database there > and generate a new xml-like-structure every day through some > cron script. > > .. what I was hoping for is to use the LocalFS product for Zope > and some kind of python "product" (which I need to make to fit > into Zope) which can parse this .. sort of like the *.cgi > script which followed with the Oedipus installation. > > By doing this; I can generate DMOZ/Link databases that show > information about the site; when it was checked last, updated > etc. etc. > > My questions are as follows; > * How do I generate a package of some pythong scripts? > * Are there any better ways of parsing and putting this > xml-like file under "Zope control" .. > > * Are there any XML products for Zope that can get a file > from an url .. and parse this with some python scripts to > generate a yahoo type listing? > > Would apriciate any input! BOOKMARKS Database and Internet robot WHAT IS IT Here is a set of classes, libraries, programs and plugins I use to manipulate my bookmarks.html. I like Netscape Navigator, but I need more features, so I write and maintain these programs for my needs. I need to extend Navigator's "What's new" feature (Navigator 4 named it "Update bookmarks"). WHAT'S NEW in version 3.0 Complete rewrite from scratch. Created mechanism for pluggable storage managers, writers and robots. WHAT'S NEW in version 3.1.2 Minor speed improvements in parser (just removed debug output if not in debug mode). New program check_dups.py prints a list of duplcat URLs in the DB. WHERE TO GET Master site: http://sun.med.ru/~phd/Software/Python/#bookmarks_db Faster mirrors: http://skyscraper.fortunecity.com/unix/797/Software/Python/#bookmarks_db http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/phd2.1/Software/Python/index.html#bookmarks_db AUTHOR Oleg Broytmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> COPYRIGHT Copyright (C) 1997-2000 PhiloSoft Design LICENSE GPL STATUS Storage managers: pickle, FLAD (Flat ASCII Database). Writers: HTML, text, FLAD. Robots (URL checker): simple, forking. TODO More storage managers: shelve, SQL, MetaKit. More robots: threading, async. Oleg. Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-in theentiresite
peter be wrote: > Some objects (mostly DTML Documents) have a property (boolean) that tells > whether this is a helppage or not. > What I want to do is to loop though eash and every object in the entire site > (not very big) and check if the object has this property. Does your site have any folderish objects in it? Doe you want to recurse abnd iterate through them? This should work unless you need to recurse: cheers, Chris ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] zope login window: how to change the 'Zope' realm/resource??
Hello, Question about Zope 2.2.1: - I have a 'administration' folder which contains administration methods and is restricted to the 'project_admin' role. - The user 'toto' has the role 'project_admin'. When I access this folder, the login window prompt for a 'Zope' resource (IE4, Opera4..). I want to replace this 'Zope' by 'project_admin', or whatever role needed by the folder. Any idee?? Gilles Lavaux ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] My Z Class
Karl Munroe wrote: > > I have constructed a z class which contians other products. Is it possible > for me to have access and edit the properties of the objects contained in > the z class. > For example. MYZClass contains an image object...how do I change the and > edit the photo contained in the class > I don't know if I get this right. The point of ZClasses is that they provide common behaviour for all instances of the class. This means that if you have an image in the ZClass, it will be available in all the instances, but if you change it 1) that can only be done in the ZClass definition and 2) this will affect all your instances. If you want an image that is specific for your ZClass instance, you'll have to put it into the instance. You can change it there like any normal Zope object. Creating the Image object inside your instance can be done at the time the ZClass is created and you can also customize the image object at that time. Please provide more details as to what you try to attain if I got your question wrong. hth Rik ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] TEXT FILE Operation
Hi to all, anyone know how to let Zope interact with text files on the system on it is running. Like making changes to files, search and replare some text or insert or delete text and save the file again? I'm pretty new and i don't know if it is possible for Zope. Thank You in advice. Marcello ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] TEXT FILE Operation
> anyone know how to let Zope interact with text files on the system on it > is running. I take it you mean files external to the ZODB database > Like making changes to files, search and replare some text or insert or > delete text and save the file again? > I'm pretty new and i don't know if it is possible for Zope. You can just about anything you want using external methods (written in Python) or Python Products, including reading, writing, deleting and changing and using regular expressions. Be aware of security issues, though, as you'll effectively be opening up part of your filesystem to access through the web Rik ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] TEXT FILE Operation
Thank you, infact this is the problem, right now i'm not able to program in python but only on using zope. I used the FSSession product before and i think that should be a Similar product to make changes on files. thank you for the help. Marcello Rik Hoekstra wrote: > > > anyone know how to let Zope interact with text files on the system on it > > is running. > > I take it you mean files external to the ZODB database > > > Like making changes to files, search and replare some text or insert or > > delete text and save the file again? > > I'm pretty new and i don't know if it is possible for Zope. > > You can just about anything you want using external methods (written in > Python) or Python Products, including reading, writing, deleting and > changing and using regular expressions. Be aware of security issues, > though, as you'll effectively be opening up part of your filesystem to > access through the web > > Rik ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] TEXT FILE Operation
> infact this is the problem, right now i'm not able to program in python > but only on using zope. Hm, you'd be surprised how easy the Python bit is. THere is excellent documentation at the Python site (http://www.python.org) > I used the FSSession product before and i think that should be a Similar > product to make changes on files. It seems to me the problem is too general to be able to make a sensible product to deal with it. > thank you for the help. > You could also have a look at the LocalFS product (http://www.zope.org/Members/jfarr/Products/LocalFS). It will let you incorporate local directories into your Zope site as if they were inside Zope There is also some documentation about writing files outside Zope (http://www.zope.org/Members/sabaini/externalfiles-howto) Perhaps this will get you started some more Rik ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] [zwiki] What is the 'Wiki-Safetybelt'?
Hi all If I ftp a bunch of zwikipages out of the ZODB, each one has this:: Wiki-Safetybelt: 968246577.617 What is is, and do I need to keep it if I want to ftp them back in? The thing is, I 'diff'ed and 'patch'ed two wikis against each other, and I'm not interested in changes that involve only the the Wiki-Safetybelt. I'd appreciate it if you Cc: me on answers .. I'm on digest mode (and waaay behind on reading those!) -- Jean Jordaan --technical writer-- Mosaic Software--Zope 2.1.6 on WinNT and W2K ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Important Security Concerns
I almost have my company convinced that Zope is the technology to use for our Intranet/Extranet. However they are very concerned with security. I have proposed two security schemes that I would like zope community feed back on for potential holes. Option A: Poke a hole through our firewall on the primary http port or on port 8080 to allow Zope pages through and then require authentication on the first page. Option B: Set up a DMZ off the firewall to allow the same as the above. Any feed back would be welcome. - Bryan Patrick Coleman Questcon Technologies (336)273-2428 ext-416 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Object serialization between different pages
On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Pierre-Julien Grizel wrote: > Is it possible to serialize an object to share it across several pages ? > This would allow one to pass the serialized object via the URL, and to > retreive it in the form that would process the request. Oh, no! Think if I hack the page you sent to my browser and serialize a different object!! This is big security hole!!! > I know there is the pickle function in python, but is there a more > Zopish way to do this ? Learn to use sessions. There is no builtin session management in Zope, but there are 3 sessions Products out there. Oleg. Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Important Security Concerns
Another option might be to proxy the Zope server through Apache on port 80. - Original Message - From: "Coleman, Bryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:43 PM Subject: [Zope] Important Security Concerns > I almost have my company convinced that Zope is the technology to use for > our Intranet/Extranet. However they are very concerned with security. I have > proposed two security schemes that I would like zope community feed back on > for potential holes. > > Option A: Poke a hole through our firewall on the primary http port or on > port 8080 to allow Zope pages through and then require authentication on the > first page. > > Option B: Set up a DMZ off the firewall to allow the same as the above. > > Any feed back would be welcome. > > - Bryan Patrick Coleman > Questcon Technologies > (336)273-2428 ext-416 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ___ > Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Important Security Concerns
That would cause another whole set of problems, unless apache is inherity more secure than Medusa. I was really wondering what the risks are associated with those two options. - Bryan Patrick Coleman Questcon Technologies (336)273-2428 ext-416 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Phil Harris [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 5:15 AM > To: Coleman, Bryan; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Zope] Important Security Concerns > > Another option might be to proxy the Zope server through Apache on port > 80. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Coleman, Bryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:43 PM > Subject: [Zope] Important Security Concerns > > > > I almost have my company convinced that Zope is the technology to use > for > > our Intranet/Extranet. However they are very concerned with security. I > have > > proposed two security schemes that I would like zope community feed back > on > > for potential holes. > > > > Option A: Poke a hole through our firewall on the primary http port or > on > > port 8080 to allow Zope pages through and then require authentication on > the > > first page. > > > > Option B: Set up a DMZ off the firewall to allow the same as the above. > > > > Any feed back would be welcome. > > > > - Bryan Patrick Coleman > > Questcon Technologies > > (336)273-2428 ext-416 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ___ > > Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > > (Related lists - > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-in theentiresite
> Any other good solutions are welcomed! There are several 'Sitemap' solutions that do this more or less, but... Any reason you can't use a catalog for this and catalog on the property? This is much faster and much more flexible Rik ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Object serialization between different pages
You could always use one of the session management products on the Zope site. My particular favourite is SQLSession, but others exist which do a similar job. hth Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Pierre-Julien Grizel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:23 PM Subject: [Zope] Object serialization between different pages > Hi, > > Is it possible to serialize an object to share it across several pages ? > This would allow one to pass the serialized object via the URL, and to > retreive it in the form that would process the request. > > I know there is the pickle function in python, but is there a more > Zopish way to do this ? > > > > Thanks, > > > P.-J. > > ___ > Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Important Security Concerns
I know not much about security because I don't have to worry about it, but out of your talk, it seems that your company finds apache secure. Then why don't you just run Zope behind Apache with a FASTCGI, or something else? Sorry if I'm completely missing the point of your problem. Regards, Tom. At 08:31 12/09/2000 -0400, you wrote: >That would cause another whole set of problems, unless apache is inherity >more secure than Medusa. I was really wondering what the risks are >associated with those two options. > >- Bryan Patrick Coleman > Questcon Technologies > (336)273-2428 ext-416 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> -Original Message- >> From:Phil Harris [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent:Tuesday, September 12, 2000 5:15 AM >> To: Coleman, Bryan; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: [Zope] Important Security Concerns >> >> Another option might be to proxy the Zope server through Apache on port >> 80. >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Coleman, Bryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:43 PM >> Subject: [Zope] Important Security Concerns >> >> >> > I almost have my company convinced that Zope is the technology to use >> for >> > our Intranet/Extranet. However they are very concerned with security. I >> have >> > proposed two security schemes that I would like zope community feed back >> on >> > for potential holes. >> > >> > Option A: Poke a hole through our firewall on the primary http port or >> on >> > port 8080 to allow Zope pages through and then require authentication on >> the >> > first page. >> > >> > Option B: Set up a DMZ off the firewall to allow the same as the above. >> > >> > Any feed back would be welcome. >> > >> > - Bryan Patrick Coleman >> > Questcon Technologies >> > (336)273-2428 ext-416 >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope >> > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** >> > (Related lists - >> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce >> > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > >___ >Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope >** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** >(Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > > ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] ZOPE 2.2.1 Problem
I installed ZOPE 2.2.1 yesterday under Windows 98 to fix a ZSQL
authorization problem.
After rebooting my machine this morning, when I run ZOPE's start.bat,
the DOS command screen comes up, flashes some messages quickly and then
disappears, so ZOPE won't start.
Running Z2.py in Python gives me the following traceback:
>>> Traceback (innermost last):
File "C:\Program
Files\Python\Pythonwin\pywin\framework\scriptutils.py", line 237, in
RunScript
exec codeObject in __main__.__dict__
File "C:\Program Files\ZopeHub\Z2.PY", line 554, in ?
exec "import "+MODULE in {}
File "", line 1, in ?
File "C:\Program Files\ZopeHub\lib\python\Zope\__init__.py", line 94,
in ?
import ZODB, ZODB.ZApplication, imp
File "C:\Program Files\ZopeHub\lib\python\ZODB\__init__.py", line 85,
in ?
import sys, ExtensionClass, TimeStamp, cPersistence, Persistence
ImportError: No module named ExtensionClass
I've got an ExtensionClass.ref and an ExtensionClass.stx in
lib/Python/StructuredText/regressions, but no ExtensionClass.py
I have no products installed, other than the ones that come with the
distribution and I have no Python extensions.
Steve Williams
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Re: [Zope] [zwiki] What is the 'Wiki-Safetybelt'?
From: "Jean Jordaan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Wiki-Safetybelt: 968246577.617 > > What is is, and do I need to keep it if I want to ftp them > back in? It's a weak protection for when two people grab a copy of a wiki page, edit it, then post their conflicting changed pages. When the second person posts, Zope will notice that their Wiki-Safetybelt doesn't match the timestamp of the page, warn them that it has changed, and refuse their update. Removing the Safetybelt will eliminate this check, IIRC, and should work fine. Cheers, Evan @ digicool & 4-am ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Object serialization between different pages
Hi, Is it possible to serialize an object to share it across several pages ? This would allow one to pass the serialized object via the URL, and to retreive it in the form that would process the request. I know there is the pickle function in python, but is there a more Zopish way to do this ? Thanks, P.-J. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
Oleg Broytmann wrote:
> LICENSE
>GPL
I've seen several Zope products using the GPL. In my not so
humble opinion, this could develop into a serious problem
for Zope deployment. I'm not a lawyer (nor do I play one on TV),
but the use of GPL'ed source code like e.g. Renderable ZClass
in your web site probably means that you're now forced to publish
every single bit of source built using the GPL'ed module --
including commercial intranet projects. This can be impossible
if you don't own the rights to every single piece of code used
in a project.
I hope Zope product developers think twice about using the GPL.
The GPL license is not about sharing like e.g. the BSD license,
it's about enforcing the political agenda of people who think
that commercial ("proprietary") software w/o source code is evil.
Cheers,
Nils
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Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
Nils Kassube wrote:
> I hope Zope product developers think twice about using the GPL.
> The GPL license is not about sharing like e.g. the BSD license,
> it's about enforcing the political agenda of people who think
> that commercial ("proprietary") software w/o source code is evil.
This is very true... I think it's made worse by the fact that a lot of
people just select 'GPL' from the dropdown list on the products page
without realising the implications...
cheers,
Chris
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Re: [Zope] TEXT FILE Operation
Marcello,
I'd say the simplest way is to create an external method, something like
(untested):
def addToTextFile(self, thingToAdd = None):
if thingToAdd:
f=open('thefile','w')
f.write(thingToAdd+'\n')
f.close()
or similar for changing/updating etc.
If you are short on experience for external methods, refer to the Zope
documentation (?) for advice.
hth
phil
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From: "Marcello Lupo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 11:02 AM
Subject: [Zope] TEXT FILE Operation
> Hi to all,
> anyone know how to let Zope interact with text files on the system on it
> is running.
> Like making changes to files, search and replare some text or insert or
> delete text and save the file again?
> I'm pretty new and i don't know if it is possible for Zope.
> Thank You in advice.
> Marcello
>
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Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
Hi!
On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Nils Kassube wrote:
> Oleg Broytmann wrote:
>
> > LICENSE
> >GPL
>
> I've seen several Zope products using the GPL. In my not so
> humble opinion, this could develop into a serious problem
> for Zope deployment. I'm not a lawyer (nor do I play one on TV),
> but the use of GPL'ed source code like e.g. Renderable ZClass
> in your web site probably means that you're now forced to publish
> every single bit of source built using the GPL'ed module --
> including commercial intranet projects. This can be impossible
> if you don't own the rights to every single piece of code used
> in a project.
No, you are not forced to publish anything. GPL "virus" applied only if
you want to *distribute* combined (your code + my GPL'd code).
> I hope Zope product developers think twice about using the GPL.
> The GPL license is not about sharing like e.g. the BSD license,
> it's about enforcing the political agenda of people who think
> that commercial ("proprietary") software w/o source code is evil.
Yes, exactly! You've got the point! I love GPL! :)
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[Zope] Re: Session support (was: Object serialization between different pages)
Note that there is also a proposal in progress to put session-tracking in the Zope core. See http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/CoreSessionTracking and make comments if you see fit. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] Object serialization between different pages You could always use one of the session management products on the Zope site. My particular favourite is SQLSession, but others exist which do a similar job. hth Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Pierre-Julien Grizel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:23 PM Subject: [Zope] Object serialization between different pages > Hi, > > Is it possible to serialize an object to share it across several pages ? > This would allow one to pass the serialized object via the URL, and to > retreive it in the form that would process the request. > > I know there is the pickle function in python, but is there a more > Zopish way to do this ? > > > > Thanks, > > > P.-J. > > ___ > Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Zope doesn't start...
Hi
I'm having some strange problems with the RPM version of Zope 2.2.1: it
starts, but dies without any message in /var/log/messages.
I try to run it by hand, and get these messages:
[root@server zope]# ./zserver.sh
[root@server zope]# Traceback (innermost last):
File "z2.py", line 554, in ?
exec "import "+MODULE in {}
File "", line 1, in ?
File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py", line 95, in ?
import Globals, OFS.Application, sys
File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/OFS/Application.py", line 91, in ?
import Globals,Folder,os,sys,App.Product, App.ProductRegistry, misc_
File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/App/Product.py", line 118, in ?
from HelpSys.HelpSys import ProductHelp
File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/HelpSys/__init__.py", line 87, in ?
import HelpSys
File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/HelpSys/HelpSys.py", line 93, in ?
import HelpTopic
File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/HelpSys/HelpTopic.py", line 95, in ?
class HelpTopicBase:
File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/HelpSys/HelpTopic.py", line 116, in
HelpTopicBase
permissions_values=ComputedAttribute(_permissions_values, 1)
TypeError: too many arguments; expected 2, got 3
I'm running it in a Conectiva Linux (glibc 2.1.2, similar to Red Hat
6.x). The packages are:
Zope-2.2.1-1
Zope-zserver-2.2.1-1
all from Jeff Rush.
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Re: [Zope] How to Pass values to a DTML method ??
They pass in the current name space, the context if you will. Someone posted a reply that had a link to the faq that attempts to explains this. DR Stuart Foster wrote: > > This is the way I had to do it what's up with the two extra params? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Dieter Maurer > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 2:24 PM > To: Stuart Foster > Cc: Zope List > Subject: Re: [Zope] How to Pass values to a DTML method ?? > > Stuart Foster writes: > > I have a DTML method that is called from a document. I need to pass a > value > > to it like a parameter would be passed to a function. > > > > > That does not look too bad, but you forgot the "..." around the call. > > You should include two positional parameters as well: > > > > Otherwise, you cut the namespace propagation. > > Dieter > > ___ > Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > > ___ > Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Important Security Concerns
Since I do this type of thing for a living, I can tell you the best answer is Option B. If your company is that security paranoid, a DMZ is always a better idea than poking holes in end-to-end connections in the firewall. On 12-Sep-2000 Coleman, Bryan wrote: > I almost have my company convinced that Zope is the technology to use for > our Intranet/Extranet. However they are very concerned with security. I > have > proposed two security schemes that I would like zope community feed back > on > for potential holes. > > Option A: Poke a hole through our firewall on the primary http port or on > port 8080 to allow Zope pages through and then require authentication on > the > first page. > > Option B: Set up a DMZ off the firewall to allow the same as the above. > > Any feed back would be welcome. -- M. Adam Kendall | Got Linux? Internetworking & | We do. Security Architect | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.devis.com ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] ZSQL and database locking
Dear all, I'm a happy Zope user (in a private environment), experienced in client-server application development but still quite green regarding to Zope. I'm trying to figure out how I can use database locking using ZSQL and MySQL. What is the case? I would like to implement a multi-user update function avoiding the obvious concurrency pitfalls. I usually implement this as follows: 1. Add a "counter" column to every table 2. With every record update, raise the counter for that record with 1 3. Before an update, first read the actual value of the counter in the database. Compare the counter in the database with the counter value of the record currently being edited. 4. If the values are not the same, another user has obviously edited the database in the meantime. The changes will not be updated to the database but the current database record will be redisplayed on the screen (with a message to the user of course). 5. If values are the same, update the database. To avoid concurrency problems, the table has to be locked before step 3 and unlocked after step 5. Because a ZSQL database connection is a permanent connection, the database will see it as 1 single session. All (anonymous) user of the web-update form will use the same session and database locking will have no effect. Now finally my question: Does anyone see a (simple) solution for this? Okay, I could create a seperate MSQL database connection for every user, but that doesn't look very Zope-ish to me. Didn't find a comparable issue in the Zope Mailing lists. Thnx in advance, Arjan. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] How to Pass values to a DTML method ??
The first example is what I was doing. But felt it was hard to follow. However I would be interested in why it would be considered more robust. -Original Message- From: Evan Simpson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 8:15 PM To: Stuart Foster; Dieter Maurer Cc: Zope List Subject: Re: [Zope] How to Pass values to a DTML method ?? > Dieter Maurer > You should include two positional parameters as well: > > I've recently had explained to me a way that is more robust, and possibly less confusing, than this idiotic idiom. I think it may start appearing in docs and training. ...or even better... &dtml.-some_method; ...which allows nicely for stuff like: First! Cheers, Evan @ digicool & 4-am ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Important Security Concerns
On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 08:31:52AM -0400, Coleman, Bryan wrote:
> That would cause another whole set of problems, unless apache is inherity
> more secure than Medusa. I was really wondering what the risks are
> associated with those two options.
I think Zope behind apache is more secure than zope behind medusa,
bacause of:
1. Finer grained control on access.
One can add lines like the following:
RewriteCond %{REMOTE_ADDR} !^10\.0\.0\.(.*)
RewriteRule ^/Zope.*manage - [F]
Which would mean that only users from 10.0.0.* can
access managment interfaces.
2. Wider usage of apache (a lot more security auditing)
this is heavily IMHO.
> > > Option A: Poke a hole through our firewall on the primary http port or
> > on
> > > port 8080 to allow Zope pages through and then require authentication on
> > the
> > > first page.
> > > Option B: Set up a DMZ off the firewall to allow the same as the above.
I assume that you would firewall the DMZ as well. With a setup which
allows maintainance to the ftp/ssh/whatever ports from your lan and
only http traffic from elsewhere, this would be slightly more secure
than having the server on your lan.
Is it worth depends on how much you trust on the potential users, and
how much time you hcope with the extra maintainance load of the DMZ.
Assuming you don't already have a DMZ...
If you have limited set of extranet users, you can tighten up by restricting
access at firewall only from IP address ranges of your clients.
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Re: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison
I've enjoyed the contributions on this thread. Some time back I mentioned that what hooked me on Zope was the Relational Database access "out of the box". I liked the way Zope generated a simple database query form and result - so I agree strongly that Zope could hook more people if it did even more useful things without coding. I even suggested others submitted their favourite ideas for a "Wizards of Zope" beauty contest. I've been supplying solutions to clients for xx years now and my philosophy has always been to code at the highest possible level. Don't code in machine code if you can code in assembler, don't code in assembler if you can code in C, don't code in C if you can code in a 4GL, don't code at all if you don't have to :-) Zope offers the potential to be the perfect development environment with tons of really good solutions off the shelf - these can be customised if they have to, we can drop down to Python if we really need to. Perfect. Unfortunately its been difficult to get discussions like this going on zope.org as its mainly devoted to coding problems, while zope-dev is to do with deep and complex zopezen. I know usability is high on Paul Everitts list, 'cos he said so in Paris. Perhaps we need zope-usability.org as a forum for non-technical discussions about Zope development ? ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope doesn't start...
On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 11:24:18AM -0300, César A. K. Grossmann wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'm having some strange problems with the RPM version of Zope 2.2.1: it
> starts, but dies without any message in /var/log/messages.
>
> I try to run it by hand, and get these messages:
>
> [root@server zope]# ./zserver.sh
> [root@server zope]# Traceback (innermost last):
> File "z2.py", line 554, in ?
> exec "import "+MODULE in {}
> File "", line 1, in ?
> File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py", line 95, in ?
> import Globals, OFS.Application, sys
> File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/OFS/Application.py", line 91, in ?
> import Globals,Folder,os,sys,App.Product, App.ProductRegistry, misc_
> File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/App/Product.py", line 118, in ?
> from HelpSys.HelpSys import ProductHelp
> File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/HelpSys/__init__.py", line 87, in ?
> import HelpSys
> File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/HelpSys/HelpSys.py", line 93, in ?
> import HelpTopic
> File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/HelpSys/HelpTopic.py", line 95, in ?
> class HelpTopicBase:
> File "/usr/share/zope/lib/python/HelpSys/HelpTopic.py", line 116, in
> HelpTopicBase
> permissions_values=ComputedAttribute(_permissions_values, 1)
> TypeError: too many arguments; expected 2, got 3
>
> I'm running it in a Conectiva Linux (glibc 2.1.2, similar to Red Hat
> 6.x). The packages are:
>
> Zope-2.2.1-1
> Zope-zserver-2.2.1-1
This is a problem with the RPM's caused by the fact that an out-of-date
python version of ComputedAttribute gets selected over the newer C
extention. You can safely delete the old version, which shouldn't be in
the RPM at all.
Remove ComputedAttribute.py and things should be better. In the source
distribution it is located in lib/Components/ExtensionClass, which isn't
included in the Linux binary distribution.
This procedure hasn't been tested by me, but is based on a report from
Jeff Rush. I assumed he had removed the file already.
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Re: [Zope] How to Pass values to a DTML method ??
From: Stuart Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The first example is what I was doing. But felt it was hard to follow. > However I would be interested in why it would be considered more robust. I probably misused the word; what I meant was that the form is less likely to have errors like forgetting the first two "magic" parameters or writing "sequence-item" instead of "_['sequence-item']", and can take advantage of current features such as cascading assignment (foo=1, bar=foo+1, etc) and future ones such as extended-attribute syntax (foo-name-name="x" instead of foo="_[_[x]]"). I have considered proposing that we graft 's capabilities onto the other tags, so that we could write stuff like: ...or... &dtml-letter; Cheers, Evan @ digicool & 4-am ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Oleg Broytmann) wrote: >No, you are not forced to publish anything. GPL "virus" applied only if > you want to *distribute* combined (your code + my GPL'd code). Like in "distributing to clients"? So that I have to publish source code to the whole world (not only clients) then? From: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/copyleft.html --cut-- Copyleft also helps programmers who want to contribute improvements to free software get permission to do that. These programmers often work for companies or universities that would do almost anything to get more money. A programmer may want to contribute her changes to the community, but her employer may want to turn the changes into a proprietary software product. When we explain to the employer that it is illegal to distribute the improved version except as free software, the employer usually decides to release it as free software rather than throw it away. To copyleft a program, first we copyright it; then we add distribution terms, which are a legal instrument that gives everyone the rights to use, modify, and redistribute the program's code or any program derived from it but only if the distribution terms are unchanged. Thus, the code and the freedoms become legally inseparable. --cut-- How do I separate my work inside a Zope-based application from GPL'ed pieces to prevent this from happening? Looks like a lot of trouble. It's easy to deal with GPL'ed programs like gcc, but how do you handle GPL'ed components in a complex object oriented environment? I'm not a lawyer, I'm (want to be) a software engineer, so what are my options? Risk a lawsuit from a GPL-using author or rewrite from scratch. Cheers, Nils -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (preferred) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Session support (was: Object serialization between different pages)
Hi Tom, > I just read your proposal and I think it would be nice to have such a > standard product in Zope. Certianly since lot's of these 'shopping carts' > websites are popping up on the internet. > I've however one question, which is more generally to e-commerce products > and which perhaps give this product this little extra then others. At the > moment all? these e-commerce products need 'cookies'. To which ecommerce products are you referring? > This implies that the > user needs to have this feature enabled. People who don't want cookies or > just don't know how to set it, will not be able to 'shop'. > Now, isn't there a possible solution for? Yes, url-rewriting. I even saw one product that went as far as too hook into DNS to dynamically create "fake" hosts on-the-fly to use as a session key. > Perhaps not that good as cookies, > but it can be a solution. I believe cookies are placed on the client > computer and that they can stay alive or be removed after a certain time. > So, isn't it possible to mimic these cookies on the server site (while the > session is active)? Mimic, no... not permanently, unless a rewritten URL is bookmarked. The server needs some indication on a request as to what session the client belongs to. Cookies provide this more or less transparently, while URL-rewriting is slightly more intrusive. > The only problem I see is that we need to be sure to > connect the correct server-file with the correct user. But isn't this > possible with information out of the HTTP request? Yes, a cookie or a URL (or POST variables) with a session key embedded somewhere. > This way we create a > file on the server (with a name which uniquely identifies the client) or > zope-object (but this gives the problem that the Zope database will rapidly > grow) A session manager which directly writes files onto the filesystem isn't a scalable solution (sessions cannot be shared across ZEO clients). This is why a nonundoable storage is a related deliverable in this proposal, as it can be shared from ZEO and mounted by several ZEO clients. > when the user starts shopping. When shopping is finished the file is > removed (and eg some information is send to another place sop that people > know something is ordered). The session manager itself checks if certain > session are abandoned and if one is not active (for 20 minutes) it deletes > the file). Yep, there are a few different kinds of garbage collection schemes we can use, this is one. > The contents of the file are the same as what you would place in > cookies. A cookie will almost always hold a session id, and maybe other metadata, but probably never any data used directly by the app. The app will go through the session manager, and won't need to know anything about the contents of the cookie. > If the product would have the possibility to have something like this extra > (ie. you can manually choose to have a client or server cookie (or you let > the product decide it automatically ie cookies on -> client cookie > otherwise server cookie)) this would be a nice thing for Zope againts is > competitors. There is no such thing as a server cookie, but a similar failover-to-URL-rewriting scheme can be made available to developers. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Nils Kassube wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Oleg Broytmann) wrote: > > >No, you are not forced to publish anything. GPL "virus" applied only if > > you want to *distribute* combined (your code + my GPL'd code). > > Like in "distributing to clients"? So that I have to publish > source code to the whole world (not only clients) then? I am not a lawyer, and certainly not authorized to interpret the License. But as one of the people who respect your freedom, I will do all my best to protect your freedom (in the way that do not limit my freedom). You are free to use my code, to read it and patch it, to send me your patches or to fork the code. AND FINALLY YOUR ARE FREE TO *ignore* MY CODE! But please, please! If you respect my freedom - do not ask me to change the license. I love GPL and found it pretty suitable for my needs. Oleg. Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
Hi all! Now Nils and Oleg are giving me the creeps. Is it not possible to take a few GPLed Zope products, add your own effort of configuring, integrating, building, (re-)designing, and even documenting the outcome of your efforts and - ___sell___ this? Maybe not only to _one_ customer, but burn a CD and sell it to _a couple_ of customers? In my opinion (yes, opinion has nothing to do with lawyers and courts ;-)), in this case you wouldn't be selling other people's products, no you would have created something new, which ___you___ can put a copyright on. It's a compilation, and with enough value-adding effort put in to this compilation, none of the respective GPL authors could claim to be co-author of your production. Since you don't want to (only) sell your service of deploying, but also your new product. (product in its conventional meaning, I would call a Zope product a "module" in this respect) Well I might just be dreaming... Maybe someone can wake me up if I am. tia Danny -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von Oleg Broytmann Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. September 2000 18:08 An: Nils Kassube Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Nils Kassube wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Oleg Broytmann) wrote: > > >No, you are not forced to publish anything. GPL "virus" applied only if > > you want to *distribute* combined (your code + my GPL'd code). > > Like in "distributing to clients"? So that I have to publish > source code to the whole world (not only clients) then? I am not a lawyer, and certainly not authorized to interpret the License. But as one of the people who respect your freedom, I will do all my best to protect your freedom (in the way that do not limit my freedom). You are free to use my code, to read it and patch it, to send me your patches or to fork the code. AND FINALLY YOUR ARE FREE TO *ignore* MY CODE! But please, please! If you respect my freedom - do not ask me to change the license. I love GPL and found it pretty suitable for my needs. Oleg. Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Making some DTML Documents catalog aware
Hi everybody, I have a Zope site with many DTML document and I would like to make them catalog aware because I want the web site users to be able to search the site. The web site users are already able to modify the site themselves and this functionality must be kept. I use the debian zope package version 2.1.6-5.2. My first thought was to create a new ZClass that inherit from both the CatalogAware and the DTML Document class but it seems to be quite difficult. First the How-To: DTML Zclass ID Bug Workaround helped a little, but when I try to map some DTML methods to some views in the "Views" tab of my class, no tab for the view are displayed for the class instance. I also searched the news and the documentation and it seems that many people faced some problems when inheriting from both CatalogAware and DTML Document. So now I suppose this is not the best way to solve my problem. Do some people have succeeded in something like this ? Thanks in advance for your answer. -- Christian COUDER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ingénieur Informatique Libre Alcôve - http://www.alcove.fr/ ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Danny William Adair wrote: > Now Nils and Oleg are giving me the creeps. > Is it not possible to take a few GPLed Zope products, add your own effort of > configuring, integrating, building, (re-)designing, and even documenting the > outcome of your efforts and - ___sell___ this? Maybe not only to _one_ > customer, but burn a CD and sell it to _a couple_ of customers? You are pretty free to sell it, but you are forced to distribute GPL'd sources along with binaries. Oleg. Oleg Broytmannhttp://phd.pp.ru/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] call a dtml doc in subfolder?
Hi, I want to call a dtml doc with where docname is in a subfolder. What is the syntax to do this? --Sean ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
Danny William Adair wrote: > Is it not possible to take a few GPLed Zope products, add your own effort of > configuring, integrating, building, (re-)designing, and even documenting the > outcome of your efforts and - ___sell___ this? Maybe not only to _one_ > customer, but burn a CD and sell it to _a couple_ of customers? You can sell it but... AFAIK you risk that everyone else can copy your effort for free if you built software on GPL'ed code. And what's only a compilation and what's a derived work (subject to the GPL) is up to the lawyers. Personally, I try to avoid legal ambiguities. Cheers, Nils -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (preferred) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Xron TypeError revisited
From: "Dwayne Morrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hello, > > I posted earlier about Xron 0.0.9 event scheduling woes. One of my stabs > in the dark seems to work. > I removed the 'this()' parameter entirely and > now am able to schedule events via DTML. I'm glad you figured out how to proceed. I wondered why this() was necessary in the first place. Calls to python procedures usually pass this() implicitly. However, here we have a DTML to Python call, and I was never very clear about how they work. > I also had to add the 'US/Eastern' > parameter to the DateTime call to get a current value for DateTime. It was > returning 12/31/1969. Hmm, this is different from what I get. DateTime() reliably gives me the current time (in all Zope versions I have used). DateTime(0) is supposed to give 1969/12/31. I haven't a clue why you would get different results. > > Xron documentation (works on Zope 2.1.3): > > > > > > > Here's what works for me on 2.2.0: > > > > > > > I'd appreciate any insight as to why this works without the 'this()' > parameter in 2.2.0. I think the real question is why it was necessary with Zope 2.1.3. FWIW, you can also explicily name the title parameter: I hope others on the list will chime in with their knowledge. I don't think either of these questions is specifically about Xron itself. -- Loren ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope doesn't start...
Martijn Pieters wrote: > > Remove ComputedAttribute.py and things should be better. In the source > distribution it is located in lib/Components/ExtensionClass, which isn't > included in the Linux binary distribution. I removed the file ComputedAttribute.pyc and everything works well. It was in /usr/lib/python1.5/ []s -- +-+-+ | César A. K. Grossmann | Capacitação Solidária | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| http://www.uol.com.br/umminuto/ | | http://members.xoom.com/ckant/ | Clique e doe - é de graça | +-+-+ http://www.halcyon.com/sciclub/cgi-pvt/instr/instr.html We'll try to cooperate fully with the IRS, because, as citizens, we feel a strong patriotic duty not to go to jail. -- Dave Barry ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] ZServer going down ??
Hello, my zserver is often going down. this is my nohup.out-log on linux red hat. Any Idea ? 2000-09-12T15:27:17 ERROR(200) ZServer uncaptured python exception, closing chan nel (socket.error:(9, 'Bad file descriptor') [/usr/local/dc/Zope-2.1.4-linux2-x 86/ZServer/medusa/asynchat.py|initiate_send|211] [/usr/local/dc/Zope-2.1.4-linux 2-x86/ZServer/medusa/http_server.py|send|400] [/usr/local/dc/Zope-2.1.4-linux2-x 86/ZServer/medusa/asyncore.py|send|237]) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] My Z Class
A Class is a template for an object, you create it once and any changes affect every object. An object is an instance of a class, it contains data, properties etc. Changing that just changes the object and it is common to change the information in an object. Karl I think you are trying to change the image object in an object. The syntax for that depends upon what you are trying to do but /myobject/myimage might be the url to your image. - Original Message - From: "Rik Hoekstra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Karl Munroe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Zope Help" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 2:07 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] My Z Class > > > Karl Munroe wrote: > > > > I have constructed a z class which contians other products. Is it possible > > for me to have access and edit the properties of the objects contained in > > the z class. > > For example. MYZClass contains an image object...how do I change the and > > edit the photo contained in the class > > > > I don't know if I get this right. The point of ZClasses is that they > provide common behaviour for all instances of the class. This means that > if you have an image in the ZClass, it will be available in all the > instances, but if you change it 1) that can only be done in the ZClass > definition and 2) this will affect all your instances. > > If you want an image that is specific for your ZClass instance, you'll > have to put it into the instance. You can change it there like any > normal Zope object. Creating the Image object inside your instance can > be done at the time the ZClass is created and you can also customize the > image object at that time. > > Please provide more details as to what you try to attain if I got your > question wrong. > > hth > > Rik > > ___ > Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
[Danny William Adair] | Now Nils and Oleg are giving me the creeps. There are several issues here. First, it is not obvious that including one GPL'ed product in a zope site and then distributing that site obliges you to distribute any further source code. Only if you (embrace and) extend that specific product would the GPL hit you. Second, even if it does, remember that a zope site almost always includes source anyway. I guess the exception would be if you have binary-only python files or linked pre-compiled c-code or something like that. But it would be very hard to claim that those parts were 'infected' by a product on your site being GPL'ed. Third, you are only obligated to distribute source to parties you have already distributed the binary version to. I can't really see a customer buying a zope site from you and not expecting 'source' anyway. -Magnus (I'm not a lawyer) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] are there any known memory leaks in Zope 2.2.1?
I'm experiencing bad memory leaks in my ZServer-based system. I recently upgraded from 2.0.0 to 2.2.1. I didn't have leakage using 2.0.0 - certainly nothing like I'm seeing it now. When I call the same method (same parameters as well) over and over, I pretty significant leakage via isolate methods exposed through ZServer to test scripts that don't use ZServer, no leakage occurs, so I'm beginning to think there's something amiss with ZServer or DocumentTemplate (the two pieces I use most heavily) or the parts they use. Unfortunately, even disconnected from ZServer, my code is still pretty dependent on my own environment so I can't easily post a script for people to gaze at. One simple method (just executes a DocumentTemplate and returns the resulting HTML) seems to be growing at a rate of about 16kbytes every five to ten times it's called. A search method that calls an XML-RPC server to do the work is much worse, growing at a rate of 85kbytes to 100kbytes per call. It's certainly possible that I'm creating some garbage that Python's reference counting can't reclaim, but when I run my server under Python 2.0b1 with the new garbage collector enabled (and collecting at each call) it never finds anything to collect, so it would appear that the garbage is either being created at a lower level (non-Python heap allocations in C code) or Python objects are getting appended to lists or dicts that are visible to some part of the system (just not obvious to me). What tools are available to try and detect memory leaks in Zope-ish applications? What input can I provide to DC or other interested experts to help track this down? Thx, -- Skip Montanaro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.mojam.com/ http://www.musi-cal.com/ ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-in theentiresite
peter be writes: > In the root > A DTML Method > > Some objects (mostly DTML Documents) have a property (boolean) that tells > whether this is a helppage or not. > What I want to do is to loop though eash and every object in the entire site > (not very big) and check if the object has this property. You can use "ZopeFind" (see the object reference on zdp.zope.org for a documentation) with obj_expr='_.hasattr(aq_explicit,"your_property")' You will need Zope 2.2.1 as older Zope version have a ZopeFind bug preventing this use. Dieter ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] How to Pass values to a DTML method ??
Stuart Foster writes: > Dieter Maurer wrote: > > You should include two positional parameters as well: > > > > > This is the way I had to do it what's up with the two extra params? DTML objects use the DocumentTemplate's (--> DocumentTemplate.DT_String) __call__ function for rendering. This function has two (optional) positional arguments, "client" and "mapping" and an arbibrary number of keyword parameters. All these parameters together determine the content of this magic "namespace" that is used for name resolution inside the DocumentTemplate. If you want more details about this, look either at the source code documentation or search the lists archive for another post where I explained that in more detail. For a DTML object "name", is equivalent to , i.e. the client is "None" and the mapping is the namespace object "_". This propagates the namespace of the calling object into the called DTML object. If you use , i.e. you do not provide parameters for the positional parameters, there use their default value, "None". This implies that the outer namespace and the corresponding context is not available in the called DocumentTemplate. Dieter ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
Magnus Alvestad wrote: > Third, you are only obligated to distribute source to parties you have > already distributed the binary version to. I can't really see a > customer buying a zope site from you and not expecting 'source' > anyway. The problem is not that a client who paid for custom development will get the source. It's the fact that you have to release the source code of an enhanced GPL'ed component (and possibly stuff built with it) for everyone else, too. Another issue is that in a complex object oriented environment like Zope it's difficult to determine if you only used a GPL'ed component or "embraced and extended" it. Cheers, Nils -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (preferred) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
Danny William Adair wrote: > > Hi all! > > Now Nils and Oleg are giving me the creeps. > Is it not possible to take a few GPLed Zope products, add your own effort of > configuring, integrating, building, (re-)designing, and even documenting the > outcome of your efforts and - ___sell___ this? Maybe not only to _one_ > customer, but burn a CD and sell it to _a couple_ of customers? > Yes, you can. BUT, you must make the source code available. > In my opinion (yes, opinion has nothing to do with lawyers and courts ;-)), > in this case you wouldn't be selling other people's products, no you would > have created something new, which ___you___ can put a copyright on. It's a > compilation, and with enough value-adding effort put in to this compilation, > none of the respective GPL authors could claim to be co-author of your > production. Since you don't want to (only) sell your service of deploying, > but also your new product. (product in its conventional meaning, I would > call a Zope product a "module" in this respect) This is exactly why I decided to GPL my FreePM project. A company with deeper pockets for marketing and more presence in the marketplace could take my work (under some of the other licenses ) and use it to their own gain. Under the GPL, they must make their source available too. The GPL is not a cure all. But it certainly has it's place. >But as one of the people who respect your freedom, I will do all my best > to protect your freedom (in the way that do not limit my freedom). You are > free to use my code, to read it and patch it, to send me your patches or to > fork the code. AND FINALLY YOUR ARE FREE TO *ignore* MY CODE! > >But please, please! If you respect my freedom - do not ask me to change > the license. I love GPL and found it pretty suitable for my needs. > > Oleg. Exactly! -- Tim Cook -- Cook Information Systems | Office: (901) 884-4126 8am-5pm CDT * Specializing in Open Source Business Systems * FreePM Project Coordinator http://www.freepm.org OSHCA Founding Supporter http://www.oshca.org ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] 'showREQUEST' or 'show_REQUEST' ?
Steve Alexander writes: > I get an error when I try to add a DTML Method with REQUEST anywhere in > the id. > > Actually, the method gets added, but I cannot edit it. > > I haven't found out why yet. The bad code is in "ZPublisher.BaseRequest.traverse": # Make sure that REQUEST cannot be traversed. if find(path, 'REQUEST') >= 0: return response.notFoundError(path) While the comment indicates that "REQUEST" should not be traversed (probably a good thing to avoid complete confusion inside DTML), the code is a bit generous to ensure this as it forbids "REQUEST" to occur anywhere in the path. Almost surely a case for the Collector. Dieter ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison
Richard Moon says: >Zope offers the potential to be the perfect development environment with >tons of really good solutions off the shelf - these can be customised if >they have to, we can drop down to Python if we really need to. Perfect. > >Unfortunately its been difficult to get discussions like this going on >zope.org as its mainly devoted to coding problems, while zope-dev is to do >with deep and complex zopezen. Many very helpful goodies have been contributed, and are available under "Downloads". However, as we've seen so often, documentation is the last thing on the priority list, so these gems are mostly still quite rough. It looks like a great deal of value can be added to Zope in the form of ultra-easy integration of stuff that already exists, and step-by-step, "hold my hand" How-To docs to makes sure even the greenest Newbies can make the most of what's there. Thanks for all the cogent comments! Jerry S. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Defining a session idle timeout value using FSSession...
Would anyone on the list have a solution to implementing idle timeouts using FSSession? I know you can cron up a simple job to delete the FSSession hierarchy based on date and time, but how do you know which sessions are still being used if you want to delete stuff say every 10 minutes or so? I logged on this morning to find out my session was still active from last night! Oh boy! Thanks folks! Aaron Bostick ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
Nils Kassube wrote:
>
> Oleg Broytmann wrote:
>
> > LICENSE
> >GPL
>
> I've seen several Zope products using the GPL. In my not so
> humble opinion, this could develop into a serious problem
> for Zope deployment. I'm not a lawyer (nor do I play one on TV),
> but the use of GPL'ed source code like e.g. Renderable ZClass
> in your web site probably means that you're now forced to publish
> every single bit of source built using the GPL'ed module --
No. This is clearly incorrect. The GPL only applies to the code, and modifications to
said code. If you are in doubt as
to the licensaes of various systems, ask a lawyer. Many of the rest of us have.
> including commercial intranet projects. This can be impossible
> if you don't own the rights to every single piece of code used
> in a project.
>
> I hope Zope product developers think twice about using the GPL.
> The GPL license is not about sharing like e.g. the BSD license,
> it's about enforcing the political agenda of people who think
> that commercial ("proprietary") software w/o source code is evil.
Please, take license religous wars elsewhere. This is not an appropriate forum. This
last paragraph sounds very
troll-like, or flame-baiting to me. This list is about using Zope.
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Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 06:02:15PM +0200, Nils Kassube wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Oleg Broytmann) wrote: > > >No, you are not forced to publish anything. GPL "virus" applied only if > > you want to *distribute* combined (your code + my GPL'd code). > > Like in "distributing to clients"? So that I have to publish > source code to the whole world (not only clients) then? No. If you give binaries to someone, you have to also give sources. You're not obliged to give the binaries to anyone. You can charge big bucks for the binaries, but if someone has them they're free to redistribute it. []s, |alo + -- Hack and Roll ( http://www.hackandroll.org ) News for, uh, whatever it is that we are. http://zope.gf.com.br/lalo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp key: http://zope.gf.com.br/lalo/pessoal/pgp Brazil of Darkness (RPG)--- http://zope.gf.com.br/BroDar ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Nils Kassube wrote: > The problem is not that a client who paid for custom development > will get the source. It's the fact that you have to release the > source code of an enhanced GPL'ed component (and possibly stuff > built with it) for everyone else, too. *gasp* Your client will have *RIGHTS*, and won't be beholden to you? Like the right to post a code snippet of yours to this list and say "the original developer wants $ to debug this problem, can someone else help me?" Perish the thought! How will you ever become rich if you can't get on the "pay me to fix it, or pay someone else to start from scratch" train? Look, I'm the last person on earth to say the GPL is perfect, or is the one true license, or anything else. I've heard a number of GOOD arguments in a number of venues about why the GPL may not be the best choice in that setting. But this thread boils down to a bunch of people who want to sell a solution which includes work other than their own, receive all the money from the sale, bar the client from getting other 3rd parties to help them improve what they paid for, and further have a legal monopoly on distributing that solution to any additional people. What utter bald-faced greed and ingratitude. You are actually bemoaning the fact, on a public list, that you'll have to write things from scratch if you want to have the right set the terms of distribution on those things. You're begrudging others the right to set the terms of distribution on their things, because it impinges on your ability to make a profit. You're simply pointing out that you'll have to do more work to make your money this way. What exactly about all of that is supposed to tug at the heartstrings of people who routinely give you free code whose real dollar value easily exceeds what either of us makes in a year? Unbelievable. jim Not speaking for Cosource.com or Vistasource.com. PS I am *very* grateful for all of the amazing free software that the Zope community produces under ALL of its licenses. Thank you all, so much! The size of the gift you give is already mind boggling, so to those of you who choose the GPL, please ignore the ingrates who would ask you to make the gift even "larger" by giving up your copyleft. PPS Next time you think about comparing a world in which you had Product X, GPL'd and Product X, non-copylefted, try comparing a world in which you had Product X, GPL'd and had nothing because they won't distribute it under any terms whatsoever. It's easy to ask for even more generosity from someone when you take what you already have for granted. Try respecting the size of the gift you've already received for a bit of perspective. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
Just to state my position, I have worked as a professional commercial software developer since 1994. I think the GPL is appropriate for work I do outside customer contracts. [Nils Kassube] | The problem is not that a client who paid for custom development | will get the source. It's the fact that you have to release the | source code of an enhanced GPL'ed component (and possibly stuff | built with it) for everyone else, too. (complete version at http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html) -- from the GPL 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following: a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or, b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or, -- These are the most relevant sections. It's pretty clear that you are only obligated to distribute source to the parties you've distributed object code / executable form to. | Another issue is that in a complex object oriented environment | like Zope it's difficult to determine if you only used a GPL'ed | component or "embraced and extended" it. Actually the embrace and extension was a silly Microsoft-joke, the definition in the license text is more verbose: .. a "work based on the Program" means either the Program or any derivative work under copyright law: that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or translated into another language. .. I don't think a zope site could be defined as a 'work'. -Magnus ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] problem logging in to /manage resource
Hello, I've been tryhing hard for the last two weeks to use zope but I can't seem to get it to go past the /manage resource. I'm running zserver, I tried the default password, changing it with zpasswd, removing domain restrictions, everything, but it still gives me authentication failed. Please help me. I'm going insane here. Thanks for your time =) -- Universidad Federico Santa Maria - Campus Guayaquil ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] zope login window: how to change the 'Zope' realm/resource??
Hi Gilles! Doesn't the "realm tip" apply anymore? --- Use Z_REALM env. var to set your HTTP mcdonc brings us this tip: Set the environment variable "Z_REALM" to change the HTTP "authentication realm" in which your Zope server participates. Additional details: For example, under the Bourne or BASH shells (in UNIX): # Z_REALM="My Realm" # export Z_REALM The equivalent can be done under Windows NT by setting environment variables in the startup environment under the System Control Panel. Created 1999/10/23 --- Hope this helps, Danny -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von Gilles Lavaux Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. September 2000 09:31 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [Zope] zope login window: how to change the 'Zope' realm/resource?? Hello, Question about Zope 2.2.1: - I have a 'administration' folder which contains administration methods and is restricted to the 'project_admin' role. - The user 'toto' has the role 'project_admin'. When I access this folder, the login window prompt for a 'Zope' resource (IE4, Opera4..). I want to replace this 'Zope' by 'project_admin', or whatever role needed by the folder. Any idee?? Gilles Lavaux ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Importing multiple files into Zope
I would like to be able to import multiple existing HTML files into Zope and make them searchable. For example: I would like to be able to point a Zope Method at my c:\python\doc subdirectory and import not only the index.html file, but also import the subdirectories under ...\doc\ and all of their files/directories. I would need to end up with the same folder/directory structure within Zope to retain the relative addressing. I would like to be able to then build a search screen that allowed me to do full text search on those files/objects. Is there something in existence in the Zope community? And, can it be used by a Zope 'wannabe' but a 'long way from getting there'. I do believe I could write such a thing myself, but I'm not sure I'll live long enough to figure out how! Thanks, Robert J. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
- Original Message - From: "Nils Kassube" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Magnus Alvestad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill > Magnus Alvestad wrote: > > > Third, you are only obligated to distribute source to parties you have > > already distributed the binary version to. I can't really see a > > customer buying a zope site from you and not expecting 'source' > > anyway. > > The problem is not that a client who paid for custom development > will get the source. It's the fact that you have to release the > source code of an enhanced GPL'ed component (and possibly stuff > built with it) for everyone else, too. so, your main problem here is that you take someone elses work, modify it to suit your needs under a license that *specifically* grants you those rights, and then, when you want to distribute your modifications, you find yourself in a bad position, because it will mean that you would have to give everybody else the same rights that allowed you to distribute a modification of someone elses work, in the first place? In other words, you don't mind being the "sharee", but do not wish to be the "sharer", particularely when it somes to work that others have "shared" to you? To shout bloody murder because of this is to REALLY expose one self, don't you think? To me, this is the ultimately reason to have the GPL around. It helps us ensure that all that want to profit from our work but have no interest in returning the favor will have to turn elsewhere or actually do some of the grundwork themsleves. Mind you that my english is not too good, so there might be som parts of this thread that I have not fully understood or that I may have got completely wrong; if so, fell free to enlighten me. Sincerely, /dario - Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] ZSQL
Hi, I use an ZSQLMethod to query a database. In the result report I try to insert the results of another ZSQLMethod per each record of the first result report. The problem is that the first record shows the correct result of the second result, but that the following records all show the second result report of the first record. Here follow some code snippets: This query (contact_lookup) is called from the second report : select * from CONTACTPERSON Here is the second report (tabular_contact_report) : None And here is a piece of the first report ( tabular_address_report): Contactpersons <<< It looks like the query is only done with the first request (ie record no 1) and not with the following record. Because the second query returns always the same results (although I call the query with a different where parameter). What am I doing wrong? Tom. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] call a dtml doc in subfolder?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi, > I want to call a dtml doc with where docname > is in a subfolder. What is the syntax to do this? > HTH, -- Tim Cook -- Cook Information Systems | Office: (901) 884-4126 8am-5pm CDT * Specializing in Open Source Business Systems * FreePM Project Coordinator http://www.freepm.org OSHCA Founding Supporter http://www.oshca.org ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] problem logging in to /manage resource
> Hello,
>
>I've been tryhing hard for the last two weeks to use
>zope but I can't seem to get it to go past the /manage
>resource.
Ouch! - you'll like it once you get started.
I'm running zserver, I tried the default
>password, changing it with zpasswd, removing domain
>restrictions, everything, but it still gives me
>authentication failed. Please help me. I'm going
>insane here.
>
>Thanks for your time =)
Try this;
Edit 'access' with a simple text editor, delete the entire line.
Replace the entire line with
superuser:123
then (assuming unix - my only domain knowledge wrt Zope)
% ./stop
% ./start
See if you can login now - the {SHA} stuff isn't there anymore (might be
getting in the way - although I can't figure out why that might be the case).
Are you connecting to the right server? (assumes you're running multiple
servers, possibly on multiple ports).
You're not frontending ZServer with Apache are you? (to get authentication in
this instance means you need to use ReWrite rules in Apache).
If the answer to all these questions is "yes, yes, of course I am" then I'm
baffled. Sorry.
HTH
Tone
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Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
> "TC" == Tim Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: TC> Danny William Adair wrote: >> Hi all! >> >> Now Nils and Oleg are giving me the creeps. Is it not possible >> to take a few GPLed Zope products, add your own effort of >> configuring, integrating, building, (re-)designing, and even >> documenting the outcome of your efforts and - ___sell___ this? >> Maybe not only to _one_ customer, but burn a CD and sell it to >> _a couple_ of customers? >> TC> Yes, you can. BUT, you must make the source code available. And before we get too far -- Source code available to the recipient means just that. They (the recipient) have it available to them. That doesn't necessarily mean that you ship it, but that it is available to them. And that definitely doesn't mean "available to the world". Though, this whole argument is sort of silly, given that we are talking about extensions to an "open source platform" to begin with, so that sales based on services make more sense than shrinkwarp'd (sic) EULA-code.. best, -tony -- A.J. RossiniRsrch. Asst. Prof. of Biostatistics BlindGlobe Networks (home/default) [EMAIL PROTECTED] UW Biostat/Center for AIDS Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] FHCRC/SCHARP/HIV Vaccine Trials Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] FHCRC: M/Tu: 206-667-7025 (fax=4812) | Voicemail is pretty sketchy CFAR: W/F: 206-731-3647 (fax=3694) | Email is far better than phone UW:Th/F: 206-543-1044 (fax=3286) | Change last 4 digits of phone for fax ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ZOPE 2.2.1 Problem
Steve Williams wrote:
>
> I installed ZOPE 2.2.1 yesterday under Windows 98 to fix a ZSQL
> authorization problem.
>
> After rebooting my machine this morning, when I run ZOPE's start.bat,
> the DOS command screen comes up, flashes some messages quickly and then
> disappears, so ZOPE won't start.
>
> Running Z2.py in Python gives me the following traceback:
>
> >>> Traceback (innermost last):
> File "C:\Program
> Files\Python\Pythonwin\pywin\framework\scriptutils.py", line 237, in
> RunScript
> exec codeObject in __main__.__dict__
> File "C:\Program Files\ZopeHub\Z2.PY", line 554, in ?
> exec "import "+MODULE in {}
> File "", line 1, in ?
> File "C:\Program Files\ZopeHub\lib\python\Zope\__init__.py", line 94,
> in ?
> import ZODB, ZODB.ZApplication, imp
> File "C:\Program Files\ZopeHub\lib\python\ZODB\__init__.py", line 85,
> in ?
> import sys, ExtensionClass, TimeStamp, cPersistence, Persistence
> ImportError: No module named ExtensionClass
>
> I've got an ExtensionClass.ref and an ExtensionClass.stx in
> lib/Python/StructuredText/regressions, but no ExtensionClass.py
>
> I have no products installed, other than the ones that come with the
> distribution and I have no Python extensions.
Did you install the source release or the binary release? You'll want
the binary release in order to get the C modules that are required for
Zope. Either that or compile them yourself.
Shane
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Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
Magnus Alvestad wrote: > > [Danny William Adair] > > | Now Nils and Oleg are giving me the creeps. > > There are several issues here. > > First, it is not obvious that including one GPL'ed product in a zope > site and then distributing that site obliges you to distribute any > further source code. Only if you (embrace and) extend that specific > product would the GPL hit you. That's LGPL, GPL affects anything _linked_ to it ;( > Second, even if it does, remember that a zope site almost always > includes source anyway. I guess the exception would be if you have > binary-only python files or linked pre-compiled c-code or something > like that. But it would be very hard to claim that those parts were > 'infected' by a product on your site being GPL'ed. LGPL would be fine, but GPL directly affects anything "linked" to/with it. As GPL has never (AFAIK) been tested in court the whole discussion may be moot, but otherways you are in muddy waters if you use GPL'd modules and don't make all your source available. It _may_ be possible to separate your site into code, content and docs, but still at least whole source code is affected, perhaps contents too, depending on how you/RMS/judge sees it. > Third, you are only obligated to distribute source to parties you have > already distributed the binary version to. I can't really see a > customer buying a zope site from you and not expecting 'source' > anyway. I can see only two reasons (except extortion) for not providing the code - 1. extremely bad code and 2. some really nifty invention (here a patent would serve you better anyway) -- Hannu ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] ignore
me -- Matt Burleigh Systems Administrator, Digital Creations - publishers of Zope. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] zope login window: how to change the 'Zope' realm/resource??
> --- > Use Z_REALM env. var to set your HTTP > mcdonc brings us this tip: > > Set the environment variable "Z_REALM" to change the HTTP "authentication > realm" in which your Zope server > participates. > Additional details: > For example, under the Bourne or BASH shells (in UNIX): > # Z_REALM="My Realm" > # export Z_REALM > The equivalent can be done under Windows NT by setting > environment variables > in the startup environment under the > System Control Panel. > Created 1999/10/23 > --- WHat if we want to change the realm dependent on the folder? I.e. Is there a way to change this at run-time? ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Getting the count from dtml-in
How do I get the count in a sequence? rec_id is a field from a table that is being used in the . However the result isn't correct. TIA Stuart ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Never mind dtml-in
Oops how about count-rec_id.. Sorry for the previous message. Stuart ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] zope stuf product
http://www.zope.org/Members/greulen/zopestud This is too cool. Way alpha and it is what I have been looking for. After I installed it I opened the options drop menu and selected settings. I then clicked the 'editor' tab and selected the 'Editor executable' radio button. I browsed to dreamwaver setting it as the default editor. It works. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
Correct me if I'm wrong (and don't bother with the discussion on the merits or non- of the GPL, I don't care in this context), but: In order to link/incorporate a GPL'd module, you have to be able to distribute the entire work under the GPL. RMS says that the ZPL isn't compatible with the GPL; either you can't get something via rights given by the ZPL, then distribute it under the more restrictive rights of the GPL (the copyleft virus). Or vice versa. Therefore, assuming RMS is correct, GPL'd components can't be distributed as part of a Zope solution. You can link & use them, or distribute one and provide a pointer to the other for the other party to install, just not distribute them together to anyone else. Is this correct? If it is, the GPL isn't very appropriate for the license of a Zope product, becuase it's a packaging nightmare. -- Karl Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Date format problems
I am using the following on an NT installation with no problems However when I use it on a Linux install it get Error Type: ValueError Error Value: unsupported format character 'm' (0x6d) What am I missing here. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] call a dtml doc in subfolder?
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > I want to call a dtml doc with where docname > is in a subfolder. What is the syntax to do this? > This is where we find out why you don't put a . in an object name. (o8 Simple enough? (o8 > --Sean > Have a better one, Curtis. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] ZODB editing options via FTP/webdav, and 2 design questions
Hello all, I'm curious about what the current state-of-the-art is for using techniques other than (clumsy) browser editing to edit Zope objects in the ODB, and FTP and webdav -capable products and which ones they like the most.. How is webdav different than FTP? How would one use it? I've used BBEdit extensively with Zope and it's great.. however, I cant help but wonder if there is some other, more visual approach I dont know about.. I can do my templates outside of Zope and then move them into DTML, but I am curious what others do.. what the cool tools and most effective methods of working with the ZODB are.. Is anyone using GoLive? Is there anyway to edit "live" DTML and see it _in action_ without needing a multitude of separate windows open? The "DTML Templates" product looks intriguing.. What is the workflow like? How do people use it? Another "design" related question.. Does Zope provide a method to use a resizable clear-gif spacer image? I like to use them to fix the minimum size of table cells and enforce a "grid". What's the best way of doing this in Zope? Thank you. Chris Beaumont [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Getting the count from dtml-in
> How do I get the count in a sequence? --jfarr ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Ownership and security
How do I remove ownership from a product, ie: make it unowned? I have some dtml that works quite happily on unowned objects, but at soon as they become owned I get into a whole whack of problems with getUserById. Of course I would really love to have ownership work, but I know its hell trying to explain it on a mailing list. -- Andy McKay, Developer. ActiveState. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] are there any known memory leaks in Zope 2.2.1?
Skip Montanaro wrote: > > I'm experiencing bad memory leaks in my ZServer-based system. I recently > upgraded from 2.0.0 to 2.2.1. I didn't have leakage using 2.0.0 - certainly > nothing like I'm seeing it now. When I call the same method (same > parameters as well) over and over, I pretty significant leakage via isolate > methods exposed through ZServer to test scripts that don't use ZServer, no > leakage occurs, so I'm beginning to think there's something amiss with > ZServer or DocumentTemplate (the two pieces I use most heavily) or the parts > they use. Unfortunately, even disconnected from ZServer, my code is still > pretty dependent on my own environment so I can't easily post a script for > people to gaze at. One simple method (just executes a DocumentTemplate and > returns the resulting HTML) seems to be growing at a rate of about 16kbytes > every five to ten times it's called. A search method that calls an XML-RPC > server to do the work is much worse, growing at a rate of 85kbytes to > 100kbytes per call. any noticeable differences if you flush the cache? > It's certainly possible that I'm creating some garbage that Python's > reference counting can't reclaim, but when I run my server under Python > 2.0b1 with the new garbage collector enabled (and collecting at each call) > it never finds anything to collect, so it would appear that the garbage is > either being created at a lower level (non-Python heap allocations in C > code) or Python objects are getting appended to lists or dicts that are > visible to some part of the system (just not obvious to me). > > What tools are available to try and detect memory leaks in Zope-ish > applications? What input can I provide to DC or other interested experts to > help track this down? > > Thx, You might want to check the ref count info at www.nightmare.com/medusa some notes from the pywx group (pywx.sourceforge.net) that might be helpful """ `intern'ed Python strings are shared process-wide, so there would be a memory leak if varying strings would get interned. You can get more information from the Python documentation for the built-in function `intern()'. Scripts running under PyWX can, of course, also cause memory leaks if they create circular references (unfreeable by Python's reference-counting scheme) or import buggy C extension modules. """ I hope thats somewhat helpful Cheers Kapil ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
Karl Anderson wrote: > > Correct me if I'm wrong (and don't bother with the discussion on the > merits or non- of the GPL, I don't care in this context), but: > > In order to link/incorporate a GPL'd module, you have to be able to > distribute the entire work under the GPL. > > RMS says that the ZPL isn't compatible with the GPL; either you can't > get something via rights given by the ZPL, then distribute it under > the more restrictive rights of the GPL (the copyleft virus). Or vice > versa. > > Therefore, assuming RMS is correct, GPL'd components can't be > distributed as part of a Zope solution. You can link & use them, or > distribute one and provide a pointer to the other for the other party > to install, just not distribute them together to anyone else. > > Is this correct? If it is, the GPL isn't very appropriate for the > license of a Zope product, becuase it's a packaging nightmare. While i'm not a GPL expert, I believe your interpretation is correct, in that the distribution has to be separate. As far as packaging nightmare goes, it might be an extra download link or cd in a distribution. Not exactly a nightmare. I think a minor inconvience is worth giving freedom to authors to make they're creations available as they wish. and because you're a DC employee advocating against the GPL (for specific reasons which amount to inconvience), i feel its important to give a reason why you want to go through the inconvience: I want to give my code to the community. i don't want people taking my code from the community and distributing it without giving back. the last thing i want to see is someone taking code from the community, making changes to it and making it propertiary, and then selling it in restricted form. if they sold it with source, thats fine. its not about money, or code, its about freedom and enpowerment of the community. Kapil ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
Hi, I think the direction of this discussion has been lost. The main concern is with the distribution of GPL'd zope products as a part of other products, commercial, proprietary, freeware, or not. In this case, does the GPL enforce that the product as a whole must be distributed under the GPL? The GPL states that it only applies to "work based on the Program" defined as "means either the Program or any derivative work under copyright law: that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications..." So from my understanding of this, and what others in this discussion have said, this means that if you create a product that uses a GPL'd product either by sub classing it or through other means, and you distribute this GPL'd product with your own, with the GPL'd product being modified or not, then your own product must also be GPL'd. If however you only provide a pointer in your distribution to the GPL'd product, and it is up to the software installer to go and fetch the GPL'd product, then you can distribute under any license that you wish. On another note...I am not clear on the meaning of the terms in the ZPL. Is it possible to distribute your own product with its own license (possibly the GPL) as a part of a standard un-modified zope distribution with its terms and conditions intact (i.e., your product is in lib/python/Products/ ), or in this case would your product automatically fall under the ZPL? Would you need to package your own product completely separately for to to have its own license? What do Digital Creations people have to say about this? You have been quiet so far ;-) terry -- Terry Kerr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adroit Internet Solutions Pty Ltd (www.adroit.net) Phone: +613 9563 4461 Fax: +613 9563 3856 Mobile: +61 414 708 124 ICQ: 79303381 ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] ZODB export to other DB/format?
Hi, I made an effort to look through the FAQs on zope.org and couldn't find a definitive answer, though the ZODB faq hinted that my fears are warranted. If I deploy a site and store content in the ZODB, what are my options in terms of automatically getting it out of there and into another DB or format later on? I just installed Zope tonight and have been going through the exercises in the O'rielly chapters on the website. It's _really_ impressive, and I'm considering using it and learning some Python instead of the homebrewed PHP/MySQL Content Management App I've been working on, but without a good exit strategy should I want to migrate away from Zope later, I'm hesitant. Can I get an authoritative answer? -Justin Knoll ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] ignore
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[Zope] Backslash as line continuation in C (Unix)
Hi, This is a Unix C question. But since I am doing something that ultimately results in a Zope product, I might as well ask the question here. :) I am trying to build a third-party utility in Linux. I ran into troubles in the compilation process because of the usage of backslash \ as line continuation. (This is used in #def preprocessor macro statements.) When I remove the backslashes and join the lines, it compiles fine. (I know backslashes are fine in Windows Visual C++.) Does anyone know any other better solution than go into the code and explicitly remove the backslashes? Is there any gcc option that recognizes backslashes are line-joining characters? Or is there another character used in gcc for joining lines? Any other suggestions? regards, Hung Jung _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] ignore
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[Zope] checking Zope's version number
Is there a way of detecting Zope's version number? (I know there is an environment variable REQUEST.environ['SERVER_SOFTWARE'], but is there a better/standard way of accessing Zope's version number?) (I seem to have problem using the context.registerHelp() in a product's __init__ method under Zope 2.1.6.) regards, Hung Jung _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ZODB export to other DB/format?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi, > I made an effort to look through the FAQs on zope.org and couldn't find a > definitive answer, though the ZODB faq hinted that my fears are warranted. > > If I deploy a site and store content in the ZODB, what are my options in terms > of automatically getting it out of there and into another DB or format later > on? > > I just installed Zope tonight and have been going through the exercises in the > O'rielly chapters on the website. It's _really_ impressive, and I'm > considering using it and learning some Python instead of the homebrewed > PHP/MySQL Content Management App I've been working on, but without a good exit > strategy should I want to migrate away from Zope later, I'm hesitant. Can I > get an authoritative answer? No, but you can get an answer or two for free. ;) You can export Zope objects as XML. You can then write/find a parser that will convert these into the needfuls for importing to a RDBMS. Alternatively, you can store the data in an RDBMS using the SQL adapters. -- Do not meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are easy to annoy, and have the root password. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] ignore
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Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
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Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
[Karl Anderson] | In order to link/incorporate a GPL'd module, you have to be able to | distribute the entire work under the GPL. : | Therefore, assuming RMS is correct, GPL'd components can't be | distributed as part of a Zope solution. : | Is this correct? If it is, the GPL isn't very appropriate for the | license of a Zope product, becuase it's a packaging nightmare. I'm not quite sure what you mean by a «module». Is a module an extension to the Zope application, or is it a Product that resides in lib/python/Products? I'm a bit confused, you use «component», «product» and «module». Which is what? And if it really is Products (as in lib/python/Products), does this mean that if I make a GNU GPL licensed application for a client, I can't actually distribute Zope with it? I have to install them separately? ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
