He installed zc.builout globally, and it was solved for him but not me.
I am the person he is speaking of.
I had the same problem. It was a few days ago. I believe what fixed it is
#FIRST INSTALL BUILDOUT
easy_install zc.buildout
#Then run it.
buildout
# BASICALLY THE FOLLOWING DOES NOT
On 7/18/13 4:30 PM, Tamer Higazi wrote:
I am trying to install zope3 /ztfy webapp
Why?
Well if we want to do zope 3/ bluebream development we have to start
somewhere.
When last I checked there is no blue bream release available. There is
a nice ztfy release available. It has documentation
On 11/13/13 4:06 PM, Jesus Cea wrote:
ZWIKI is quite old and looks like dead. Am I misunderstanding the
situation?.
Well this is a topic that has been very much on my mind. Clearly
Wikis are an important thing. Clearly Zope 2 is going away. Something
is needed on top of Zope 3.
There was a
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Over on the grok mailing list there is talk of a sprint.
What a great idea! I would love to see a Zope 2 style ZMI on Grok.
Then we could all migrate off of Zope 2 and onto Grok/ZTK/Zope3.
Grok does offer an admin GUI. What it lacks is the zope.app.container
GUI providing rename, cut,
I have a basic version of Zopache running internally. It is a zope-2
like ZMI running on top of
grok on top of ZTK. ZTK is really very nicely written.
Grok makes it so much easier to use the ZTK.
I an focused on using it to build my next generation recruiting website,
but it would be good to
On 7/30/14, 3:59 PM, Eric Bréhault wrote:
Hello,
Did you have a look to Substance D
? http://substanced.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
Yes I did. Thank you. Someone on the Grok mailing list mentioned it.
My understanding is that Pyramid is based on ZTK, but not on Grok.
Personally I find ZTK
On 7/30/14, 2:11 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
Guess why? Because it is technology of the last decade
Maybe, but Unix file system development is at least 36 years old.
Is that what you are still using? Technology from the last century?
On 7/30/14, 6:32 PM, zopyxfil...@gmail.com wrote:
Pyramid uses _some_ ZTK modules internally however the ZTK stuff
is not exposed to Pyramid.
Thank You. That is why I love Grok and ZTK. It is this rich library
of extensible python components conforming to ZCA.
Maybe Pyramid is closer to a
On 7/30/14, 8:01 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
I am only sorry that more people are not actively developing on Grok and
ZCA.
This is your annual complaint for 2014?
It is not a complaint. It is really more of a question. Let me spell
it out in detail.
I would think that the world has to move
On 7/30/14, 10:50 PM, Fernando Martins wrote:
I don't know about ZTK, Grok.
Well let me start of by describing them, and some history, so that we
are all on the page. At the risk of overloading the term, so that we
share the same context.
First there was Zope 2. It was pretty cool for its
On 7/31/14, 9:13 PM, Fernando Martins wrote:
I wonder if it was not a case of over-engineering that helped zope's
community fragmentation.
That is correct. You know the famous saying by P.J. Eby
Those who do not study Zope, are condemned to reinvent it.
Well that is because every concept
On 8/4/14, 7:09 AM, Andreas Jung wrote:
You are arguing and blathering every other year the same nonsense
without any outcome.
There has been a huge outcome. I now recognize that grok and ZTK are a
human factors disaster. It is way too complex for an ordinary mortal to
begin using. I was
Zopache is a through-the-web Javascript Development environment built on
top of Python, ZODB, ZTK, and Grok. Zopache was used to build
zopache.com You can see a demo of the gorgeous HTML editor here:
http://www.zopache.com/demo
We are so used to thinking of Zope as open source software. That
http://www.zopache.com/zopache/baseicwebobjects/jade
http://www.zopache.com/zopache/baseicwebobjects/jade
Specifically Zopache has a gorgeous Jade editor, and real time html and
javascript generation. “Instant Gratification!”
says one user.
Jade is the leading tempting language for Javascript.
I just gave out the first 3 zopache accounts! I thought Zope 2 developers
would be interested in this news.
Zopache is a browser-based Javascript development environment. These accounts
support Basic Web Objects: Folder, HTML, Javascript, CSS, and image. HTML
objects support the WYSIWYG
On 7/8/15 3:10 PM, Kees de Brabander wrote:
Hi there,
I desperately need a zope server, at least for a transition period. Is there
in The Netherlands a company that still uses zope or has experience with zope
that can help or advise me?
I can happily come to the Netherlands. I am an EU
On 7/9/15 8:57 PM, Sebastian Tänzer wrote:
OT: Chris, no offence,
Your feedback is most appreciated.
At last, your privacy policy really sounds somewhat „strange“
Thank you. I did several things wrong there. Large chunks have been
removed. The rest has been changed to
better conform to
First thank you for all of the of hard work.
Actually I should say, thank you for all of the very hard work.
Can we add grok-dev to this discussion list?
So let me ask the obvious question. Are there any simplifications we should
make to Zope 4?
Warm Regards
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I am considering volunteering to rewrite ZClasses.
Who do I speak to?
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I am interested in maintaining them, documenting them, and upgrading them.
I have been through the code a number of times, and if someone would
spend 15 minutes explaining the high level design decisions, I could
probably keep them up to date. Why do they have multiple properties on
a
I am interested in volunteering, but I am somewhat lost.
And I say that even though I have been developing in Zope for years, and
reading this email list avidly for a year.
I think that I am going to go and buy and read the Zope 3 book. Beyond
that I do not know what to do.
The problem is
I am interested in upgrading ZClasses and versioning.
Would anyone like to supervise this work, or work with me?
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Dieter Maurer wrote:
Christopher Lozinski wrote at 2006-7-10 19:28 -0700:
I am interested in upgrading ZClasses and versioning.
What does upgrading mean here?
I do not quite know what upgrading means.
I think that I have the same problem that many other users have. I am
When I understand right, then Jim would not like to see
ZClass'es directly in Zope 3 but rather something similar
build on top of persistent modules.
That makes sense to me. Make a through the web editor of Zope 3.
But what do I do with my Zope 2 application? ZClasses break with Zope
At the risk of going down in history (and Google Searches) as the man
who supports ZClasses, I think that someone deserves to come to their
defense.
I think that there is a different tool for every job. Sometimes I think
Plone is the best solution, sometimes Zope 2 is the best solution.
Andreas Jung wrote:
ZClasses deserve a maintainer or a budget to fund a maintainer -
otherwise they will remain what they are: a 3rd-class citizen of Zope.
I have looked at the code, but I am not quite sure what it takes to
maintain it.
The core problem is that I do not understand how the
Philipp von weitershausen wrote:
For these use cases it is not necessary to use a complex machinery
like ZClasses. The objects we're talking about here could be very very
dull, to the point where we don't need something like a dynamically
constructed class.
I appreciate all your comments.
Jim Fulton asked
Chris, have you tried ArchGenXML?
I did do a project in Archetypes, in Plone. If I recall correctly,
Archetypes requires CMF. And that is way too much code to add to my
application. My workflow requirements are trivial. I think that
Archetypes is quite brilliant at
Martijn Faasen makes the point that it is important for the Zope 3
developers to have good use cases.
So here we go. Here is my distributed Object use case for Zope 3
developers. Can I do this in Zope 3?
I run a job board for each technology. I have one job board for
zope/plone
I do like the idea of ZClasses as a separate product.
Actually I think all of Zope should be an assembly of separate products.
I would love to see multiple flavors of Zope each as an assembly of
separate products.
If we make ZClasses a separate product, does that mean we can get our
own
Well I have finally reached the stage where I am pushing the limits of
ZClasses and would love an upgrade. Guess I need to do it myself.
I run 38 specialty job boards, and am getting close to automatically
putting up 300 more, each one has a custom ZClass.
I am automatically generating
3. None of those are quite what I want and need.
ZClasses is close to what I need, I just need to fix it.
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Thank you very much for all the advice, and particularly for the list of
problems with ZClasses.
I had been thinking of jumping in and fixing some of those things. I am
not quite sure where to start.What do I work on to benefit ZClasses,
while taking care of my immediate business needs?
I keep getting these negative email messages. Here is the most recent
example.
I think you should stop dreaming and face the reality. There is almost
nobody interested of the developer community in ZClasses.. I have no
idea what your goal is with your ongoing ZClasses postings..you're on
Thanks for all the great feedback.
I particularly liked someone's idea of upgrading the ZClass Wiki, so
that there is a good source of information at 1 easily accessible location.
I think it is very important as a community to operate on a shared
blackboard.
Not quite as good as writing
Thank you very much for all the support. A lot of it was warnings about
the pitfalls facing me. There was an excellent email in support of
Grok. I added that to the ZClass wiki.
While I did not get any software written yet, I am pleased to say that I
upgraded the Zope Wiki on ZClasses.
I think I have figured out how to do it. This looks like a ZMI based
ZClass, you can define it through the ZMI, you can add instance
variables, you can add instance methods, all through the ZMI, but you
can change inheritance, because it is really a product created on the
file system.
For those who have not been following this thread, here is the proposal.
http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/ZClassesNG
I will go ahead and change the name. I have a name proposal at the end of this email.
Last night I realized that this proposal, will make it really easy for me to
create Archetype
But that isn't what he thinks he wants, :-)
Allow me to speak for what i want.
I am glad to hear that people think that there is a role for TTW editing. I am glad that there is a tool in Zope 3 for TTW editing. http://agendaless.com/Members/tseaver/software/userschema/ I am glad that
Dieter Maurer wrote:
Where does the parent class lists its legal children?
In the Products Folder, for each ZClass there is a tab listing allowed
subobjects.
I think it would be better if the child listed the legal parents.
But, then you need to have somewhere (else) a registry
Dieter Maurer wrote:
The main reason is that Zope only learned with Zope 2.8 how to
protect attributes with elementary values.
It took me a few minutes to get the full meaning of this. You mean I
can do individual permissions on instance variables in Zope 2.8+ !
That means I can get rid
Lennart Regebro wrote:
On 4/26/07, Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andreas Jung wrote at 2007-4-25 22:13 +0200:
...
But readable and comprehensible magic...but I would not call that
magic.
If I see at class level a function call grok.context(something),
this does not look like
First of all my compliments to all of the people who put in enormous
amounts of work first figuring out how to build Zope 3, and then
building it. I am most grateful I hope that these comments help you
better understand your market.
I should say that I have been using Zope 2 since 1999 and
So I am starting a project to build content types through the web using
the ZTK.
Here is the url.
http://specialtyjobmarkets.com/Wikis/LozinskiClasses/FrontPage
Thank you for the recent feedback. It is nice to know that people
care. I have added a section reviewing the competing
to hire someone to help me, but no one who replied has Zam
experience.
I also have a private email list for those who are following my
progress. Let me know if you want to be added.
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of companies from Eastern Europe.
I am also thinking of buying a stack of books from Amazon. I wonder
which ones I should get?
Why is this path so hard? How can I help make it easier for others?
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used dtml-sendmail a lot over the years. As far as I know it has
always worked fine. Trust it,
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Having different roles will help greatly yes, and even if we end up with
multiple packages that would still be a great idea to have, but again, if I
don't
expect (want) my users to use this browsing interface at all, why should I
load all its code when the server start ?
That just
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why it cannot find
zmi_views. Maybe next I will try adding zope.file to see what happens.
I have other things I am working on so I put this on the back burner,
but interesting to see this thread.
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The bug was that the included bootstrap.py did not work.
If you use the bootstrap.py from the zam.demo svn directory it does not
start.
I used a more recent bootstrap.py copied from my ztfy directory, thank
You Thierry, and it starts fine. It looks gorgeous. Thanks
to all the authors who put
on pypi indicates a version for Django, a
version for flask, a version for pyramid, but no version for ztk
What are you using as a Jinja2 release for Bluebream?
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On 5/8/13 3:30 AM, Dave Cahill wrote: on the zope-3 mailing lists.
Hi,
I was using the export_tree method in zc.zk to dump a zookeeper tree today,
and some nodes which have no data had garbage data dumped instead of an
empty string. I think this is an issue in the underlying zookeeper
acceptable to discuss ztfy issues on
zope-dev
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packages should I be
using for Javascript development and templating? Megrok.Jinja?
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On 5/21/13 11:22 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
Should laugh or run and cry?
Neither.
You should tell me what is wrong with the idea.
I think adaptors are a good tool for components.
ZCA is the only system I know of for doing this.
Clearly it needs to be ported to Javascript, but that is easy
I suggest to move on to a Javascript community and continue
do discuss there. Nowaday we have framework like backbone.js, angular.js
on the client for doing state-of-the-art client-side JS implementations.
Or stuff like Obviel (from Martijn Faasen, a long time contributor of
Zope).
Thank
On 5/21/13 11:57 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
What have you done so far and what did you contribute
so far?
I have downloaded and installed ZTFY, and given Thierry lots of feedback.
Perhaps I even changed his direction more towards wikis as a ZTFY
application, instead of blogs.
We will see what
comments on mint with zope would be most appreciated.
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